---------------------------------------------------------- Europa-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 12/17/08: 15 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 03:34 AM - Re: RT changes - UK (Jan de Jong) 2. 09:12 AM - Skymap 111C battery (Richard Iddon) 3. 09:41 AM - Re: Skymap 111C battery (rick) 4. 10:16 AM - Re: Skymap 111C battery (R Holder) 5. 10:22 AM - Re: Skymap 111C battery (Mike Parkin) 6. 10:45 AM - Re: Skymap 111C battery (Peter Rees) 7. 11:45 AM - Re: Skymap 111C battery (Robert C Harrison) 8. 12:21 PM - Re: Skymap 111C battery (Richard Iddon) 9. 12:48 PM - Re: Skymap 111C battery (Paddy Clarke) 10. 01:00 PM - DOTH Leicester Fri 19th (Paddy Clarke) 11. 01:08 PM - Bacon butties (Fergus Kyle) 12. 01:35 PM - Re: one wing landing (BAILEIGH INC) 13. 04:25 PM - A question about post curing? (Jeffrey J Paris) 14. 06:44 PM - Re: A question about post curing? (Karl Heindl) 15. 06:51 PM - Re: A question about post curing? (Karl Heindl) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 03:34:48 AM PST US From: Jan de Jong Subject: Re: Europa-List: RT changes - UK David Joyce wrote: > > > UK pilots should have had a heads up about the upcoming changes to ATC > procedures, via Gasil, but foreign visitors may have missed it. The > following site offers a thorough briefing: > http://www.airspacesafety.com Regards, David Joyce, G-XSDJ > Thank you. Passed it on to my DA40 club members (all 60 of them). Regards, Jan de Jong do not archive ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 09:12:22 AM PST US From: "Richard Iddon" Subject: Europa-List: Skymap 111C battery My Skymap 111C is telling me that it needs a new battery. I have done an internet search and discovered that it is possible to DIY. Anyone done this and if so which battery and what is the procedure? Richard Iddon G-RIXS ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 09:41:49 AM PST US From: "rick" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Skymap 111C battery Hi Richard Just had the same problem. The battery is: 'The battery is a wire ended 3.7 volt Lithium Thynol Chloride AA cell. The RS part number is 185-5659. Current cost is =A34.80. A friend of mine did the job as a favour as the 'official' price is apparently exorbitant. Couldn't really ask him again. I'll see him this weekend and ask him for the replacement details. Cheers Rick _____ From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard Iddon Sent: 17 December 2008 17:11 Subject: Europa-List: Skymap 111C battery My Skymap 111C is telling me that it needs a new battery. I have done an internet search and discovered that it is possible to DIY. Anyone done this and if so which battery and what is the procedure? Richard Iddon G-RIXS "http://www.matronics.com/contribution"http://www.matronics.com/contribut ion "http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List"http://www.matronics.com/ Nav igator?Europa-List "http://forums.matronics.com"http://forums.matronics.com 7.5.552 / Checked by AVG. 00:00 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 10:16:39 AM PST US From: R Holder Subject: Re: Europa-List: Skymap 111C battery > Just had the same problem. The battery is: > 'The battery is a wire ended 3.7 volt Lithium Thynol > Chloride AA cell. > The RS part number is 185-5659. Current cost is 4.80. > A friend of mine did the job as a favour as the > 'official' price is apparently exorbitant. Couldn't > really ask him again. > I'll see him this weekend and ask him for the > replacement details. The official price was 125 plus VAT "plus anything else that needed replacing !" I compromised and paid them 25 + VAT for the battery, but was disgusted to find that the battery was a standard one that was about a fiver. I did do the changeover myself - but it was a bit fiddly ! I have sent Richard the (12 pages) of official instructions. Richard Holder G-OWWW High Cross ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 10:22:39 AM PST US From: "Mike Parkin" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Skymap 111C battery Richard, It is not very difficult to DIY the battery. I did Bob Harrison's Skymap 3C for him with no great drama. The battery is a Saft 3.6V Lithium one with axial wires - it is soldered in. Bob got 2 of the batteries from RS ( see http://uk.rs-online.com/web/search/searchBrowseAction.html?method=getProduct &R=4364796#header ). The procedure is in the attached documents. If you are not comfortable doing the job, send it to me with a battery, and I will change it for you. Regards, Mike. From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard Iddon Sent: 17 December 2008 17:11 Subject: Europa-List: Skymap 111C battery My Skymap 111C is telling me that it needs a new battery. I have done an internet search and discovered that it is possible to DIY. Anyone done this and if so which battery and what is the procedure? Richard Iddon G-RIXS ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 10:45:37 AM PST US From: "Peter Rees" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Skymap 111C battery I did one on the Skymap III (the panel mount version) - was a dead easy job. If its the same battery type (like an AA battery with a wire welded on each end). Its difficult to get to the underside of the PCB where the battery is mounted so to save dismantling the unit, this is the procedure I used (and would again). 1) Note the polarity of the old battery (mark the + on the PCB with an indelible pen) 2) Cut the old battery out leaving plenty of the wire left in the board. 3) Put your soldering iron on the wire at the point where the wire goes through the board and the pad on the board. 4) When the solder melts, use small pliers to remove the wire from the board. 5) Heat the pad again and use a solder sucker to clean out the solder from the hole. 6) Repeat for the other wire. 7) Form the wires for the new battery and pass them through the holes in the PCB. (cut them if necessary). 8) Solder the new battery in from the top of the board (the solder will run through the plating between the top and bottom of the board. New battery should be available from Maplin - if not, I got mine from Farnell - they're mainly trade but the do sell online to the public. If you fancy a flight to Rochester, I'd be happy to do the mod for you if you're not happy about soldering inside the unit. Peter ----- Original Message ----- From: Richard Iddon To: europa-list@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2008 5:11 PM Subject: Europa-List: Skymap 111C battery My Skymap 111C is telling me that it needs a new battery. I have done an internet search and discovered that it is possible to DIY. Anyone done this and if so which battery and what is the procedure? Richard Iddon G-RIXS ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 11:45:11 AM PST US From: "Robert C Harrison" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Skymap 111C battery Hi! Richard, Some considerable time ago I had set of battery replacement instructions and had finished up with a spare battery. The battery is no longer where I put it (but probably dated somewhat)and the instructions went down with my computer. However I'm pretty sure I e-mailed them to someone on the forum so an appeal may flush the chap out if he reads this message! Mike Parkin kindly did mine and found it quite easy, the electronics are in layers and the damn battery is in the lower layer and soldered into place. I think the biggest pitfall is to ensure the layer spacer washers are put back the same way up since one edge is chamfered. Mike just may have a copy of my instructions. I had two batteries since I ordered a replacement from RS supplies (or my Electrical Contractor neighbour did !) and I ordered one from Honeywell but it was expensive. You could try 'phoning the Honeywell technician(on 01256 722217) before office opening time and ask him if he could either send you or Fax you a copy of them. If you get them I could do with a copy if you would oblige. Of course the damn thing will loose all your configured routes and way points. Mine packed up on a journey somewhere but when you power it up in the aircraft it will still work but you have to configure it as you go so to speak. It sounds that you are lucky since it gives you say 50 hours notice but that's not time in use it's actual clock time and it's ticking when the thing isn't in use ! Now how you change the battery without loosing your way points unless you solder the new battery in place before snipping the original wires I'm not sure. Mine was BLXED anyway so the question didn't arise ! Regards Bob Hrrison G-PTAG -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard Iddon Sent: 17 December 2008 17:11 Subject: Europa-List: Skymap 111C battery My Skymap 111C is telling me that it needs a new battery. I have done an internet search and discovered that it is possible to DIY. Anyone done this and if so which battery and what is the procedure? Richard Iddon G-RIXS ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 12:21:45 PM PST US From: "Richard Iddon" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Skymap 111C battery Thanks Guys. With your help I have now dismantled the unit and identified / ordered a new battery. Shouldn=92t be a problem to fit it. Skyforce quoted me =A375 to do the job. The battery was =A34.80. Cheers. Richard. Subject: Europa-List: Skymap 111C battery My Skymap 111C is telling me that it needs a new battery. I have done an internet search and discovered that it is possible to DIY. Anyone done this and if so which battery and what is the procedure? Richard Iddon G-RIXS Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com 12/17/2008 8:31 AM ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 12:48:02 PM PST US From: Paddy Clarke Subject: Re: Europa-List: Skymap 111C battery Hi Richard, A little word of warning - do it carefully. Mine was done by a friend of mine, quite an electronics expert allegedly, but he managed to damage the unit and it had to back to Skyforce anyway, All the best, Paddy On 17 Dec 2008, at 20:15, Richard Iddon wrote: > Thanks Guys. With your help I have now dismantled the unit and > identified / ordered a new battery. Shouldn=92t be a problem to fit it. > > Skyforce quoted me =A375 to do the job. The battery was =A34.80. > > Cheers. > > Richard. > > Subject: Europa-List: Skymap 111C battery > > My Skymap 111C is telling me that it needs a new battery. I have > done an internet search and discovered that it is possible to DIY. > Anyone done this and if so which battery and what is the procedure? > > Richard Iddon G-RIXS > > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > 12/17/2008 8:31 AM > Paddy Clarke Europa G-KIMM ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 01:00:11 PM PST US From: Paddy Clarke Subject: Europa-List: DOTH Leicester Fri 19th Hi Folks, Unfortunately I couldn't take advantage of the lovely weather today, but would still like to fly this week, so how about a DOTH on Friday?. There seem to be no suitable freebies, so I propose Leicester. It's central, has 3 hard runways, a good cafe, and I don't think we've been there for a bit. 1200ish as usual. All the best, Paddy Paddy Clarke Europa G-KIMM ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 01:08:03 PM PST US From: "Fergus Kyle" Subject: Europa-List: Bacon butties Time: 02:16:28 PM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: Monday DOTH to Kemble From: Fred Klein What, pray tell, is an "obligatory bacon buttie"? Have I been missing something all these years? Fred :-) A194 Very definitely, yes, you have.. I think it's a traditional bacon sandwich, with various regional fripperies, which coincides basically to the U.S. "$100 hamburger". On occasion, violation of regulations regarding C0fG and All-up weight have been levied on return flights - I believe you call it a "citation". In Canada we fight for these as a sign of excellence. Ferg ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 01:35:55 PM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: one wing landing From: "BAILEIGH INC" Nice! -------- Shane Henderson Baileigh Industrial shenderson@bii1.com 920-684-4990 Check Out www.bii1.com For Awesome Metal Fabrication Equipment Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=219842#219842 ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 04:25:26 PM PST US From: "Jeffrey J Paris" Subject: Europa-List: A question about post curing? Dear Listers,A question about post curing our epoxy parts. =C2-Today we bu ilt ourselves an "oven" for baking our parts at the appropriate 40-50 degree celsius for post cure. =C2-We built a 16' X 4' X 4' enclosure out of foil claded 4X8 sheets of insulation foam. =C2-The box is backed up to a basem ent brick fireplace (no open flames) in which I would like to place a suitab le heating element. =C2-I also have use of an attic fan to low air around the cavity.=C2-Has anybody attempted this before? =C2-And if so what did you use to heat the space. =C2-I went to a website that helps you calcula te the heating requirements for 256 cubic feet of space @ 50 degrees celsius came to about 8900 btu's, however, heat does build up and I want a consiste nt heat over a period of hours therefore I will need a thermostat of sorts I would guess.Any advice out there? =C2-I'm not a =C2-thermo engineer jus t an individual Europa builder who's looking for an inexpensive way to do th e job.Thank you for your time and consideration.Cheers and Happy Holidays,Si ncerely,Jeff =C2-and Peter Paris =C2-Kit# A012 Monowheel Classic ------------------------------------------------------------ Cooking School Become a Top Chef! http://tagline.excite.com/fc/BK72PcZacslRBgXFQOc9AuXTwPfhQQ89C4r2ekz6hUfEBS8 UOsjAe1/ ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 06:44:28 PM PST US From: Karl Heindl Subject: RE: Europa-List: A question about post curing? Jeffrey=2C Keep it simple. No need for complicated thermostatic control. I used 2 fan heaters plus a larger fan to circulate air. Use a couple of thermometers wi th remote probes=2C one for the upper and one for the lower level. Then do it by trial and error: let the heat build up until it reaches the required temperature=2C the heaters should have multiple heat settings. I had to mod ify the heaters to bypass the thermostatic safety cutout. Start the job in the morning and monitor it through the day. Position the heaters such that they don't blow directly onto the work pieces. Karl effrey-j-paris@excite.comSubject: Europa-List: A question about post curing ?Dear Listers=2C A question about post curing our epoxy parts. Today we built ourselves an "oven" for baking our parts at the appropriate 40-50 degree celsius for pos t cure. We built a 16' X 4' X 4' enclosure out of foil claded 4X8 sheets o f insulation foam. The box is backed up to a basement brick fireplace (no open flames) in which I would like to place a suitable heating element. I also have use of an attic fan to low air around the cavity. Has anybody attempted this before? And if so what did you use to heat the space. I went to a website that helps you calculate the heating requiremen ts for 256 cubic feet of space @ 50 degrees celsius came to about 8900 btu' s=2C however=2C heat does build up and I want a consistent heat over a peri od of hours therefore I will need a thermostat of sorts I would guess. Any advice out there? I'm not a thermo engineer just an individual Europa builder who's looking for an inexpensive way to do the job. Thank you for your time and consideration. Cheers and Happy Holidays=2C Sincerely=2C Jeff and Peter Paris Kit# A012 Monowheel Classic Cooking School Become a Top Chef! Click here for more information ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 06:51:22 PM PST US From: Karl Heindl Subject: RE: Europa-List: A question about post curing? Jeffrey=2C That oven looks great=2C but it might have been better to have the foil on the interior.Keep it simple. No need for complicated thermostatic control. I used 2 fan heaters plus a larger fan to circulate air. Use a couple of th ermometers with remote probes=2C one for the upper and one for the lower le vel. Then do it by trial and error: let the heat build up until it reaches the required temperature=2C the heaters should have multiple heat settings. I had to modify the heaters to bypass the thermostatic safety cutout. Star t the job in the morning and monitor it through the day. Position the heate rs such that they don't blow directly onto the work pieces. Karl effrey-j-paris@excite.comSubject: Europa-List: A question about post curing ?Dear Listers=2C A question about post curing our epoxy parts. Today we built ourselves an "oven" for baking our parts at the appropriate 40-50 degree celsius for pos t cure. We built a 16' X 4' X 4' enclosure out of foil claded 4X8 sheets o f insulation foam. The box is backed up to a basement brick fireplace (no open flames) in which I would like to place a suitable heating element. I also have use of an attic fan to low air around the cavity. Has anybody attempted this before? And if so what did you use to heat the space. I went to a website that helps you calculate the heating requiremen ts for 256 cubic feet of space @ 50 degrees celsius came to about 8900 btu' s=2C however=2C heat does build up and I want a consistent heat over a peri od of hours therefore I will need a thermostat of sorts I would guess. Any advice out there? I'm not a thermo engineer just an individual Europa builder who's looking for an inexpensive way to do the job. Thank you for your time and consideration. Cheers and Happy Holidays=2C Sincerely=2C Jeff and Peter Paris Kit# A012 Monowheel Classic Cooking School Become a Top Chef! 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