---------------------------------------------------------- Europa-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Mon 12/22/08: 6 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 05:43 AM - Re: Looking for a part complete kit or damaged Europa (John and Amy Eckel) 2. 07:07 AM - Re: Looking for a part complete kit or damaged Europa (Ken Stribling) 3. 12:08 PM - Revised Europa Specifications (David Stanbridge (Swift TG)) 4. 12:34 PM - Re: Revised Europa Specifications (jimpuglise@comcast.net) 5. 12:34 PM - Re: Has anyone landed 914 on pump #1 run by generator only? (ALAN YERLY) 6. 04:55 PM - Re: Revised Europa Specifications (Garry) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 05:43:20 AM PST US From: "John and Amy Eckel" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Looking for a part complete kit or damaged Europa David, I have a partially built kit for sale. I am located in the USA. Please contact me if interested and we can discuss it further. John Eckel A230 ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Joyce" Sent: Sunday, December 21, 2008 3:39 PM Subject: Europa-List: Looking for a part complete kit or damaged Europa > > > As the title says really! > I am looking to find a damaged aircraft to repair or a part built kit! > > Am open to suggestions..... > > If anyone has any knowledge of either please let me know? > rgds > David Joyce > (The other one) > > >> >> >> > > > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 07:07:08 AM PST US From: "Ken Stribling" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Looking for a part complete kit or damaged Europa I have a complete kit (all Stages plus a 914 engine) about 10 Hours into kit in the past 5 years. Call or e-mail In southern Oregon Ken Stribling 541-947-2602 Ken@striblingranch.com -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John and Amy Eckel Sent: Monday, December 22, 2008 5:41 AM Subject: Re: Europa-List: Looking for a part complete kit or damaged Europa E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (6.0.0.386) Database version: 5.11390 http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (6.0.0.386) Database version: 5.11390 http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 12:08:26 PM PST US From: "David Stanbridge (Swift TG)" Subject: Europa-List: Revised Europa Specifications Hi again, Today we finished the update of the specifications of all the models on the Europa website. I would appreciate if you could give them a glance over and let me know if in their opinion they reflect reality or not. Thank you, Dave Swift Technology Group Limited www.swifttg.com (T) +44 (0)1603 262301 (M) +44 (0)7725 655600 david.stanbridge@swifttg.com ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 12:34:57 PM PST US From: jimpuglise@comcast.net Subject: Re: Europa-List: Revised Europa Specifications Dave- Generally, very nicely done.=C2- I have a couple of comments.=C2- First , there is also the=C2-conventional gear option available.=C2- Currentl y Bob Berube is doing them, but you may wish to discuss marketing the kit t hrough Europa also.=C2- I know that the parts procurement is a nuisance f or him.=C2- Second, in terms of engines, there are several Jabaru engines in use in the US.=C2- I know one of your guys in the UK had a tough time with it, but the engine is still a good option and is 125 HP without super charging.=C2- Also, I am not an authority on it, but I thought the 914 wa s 125 HP.=C2- My interest, as you may know, is getting an LSA wing option for the airplan e.=C2- I have lost my physical and if I can't get it into an LSA category , it is just a useless pile of fiberglass to me. Good Luck -- Glad to see you working on it. Jim Puglise A-283, Punta Gorda, FL ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Stanbridge (Swift TG)" Sent: Monday, December 22, 2008 3:06:47 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Europa-List: Revised Europa Specifications nbridge@swifttg.com> Hi again, Today we finished the update of the specifications of all the models on the Europa website. I would appreciate if you could give them a glance over and let me know if in their opinion they reflect reality or not. Thank you, Dave =C2- Swift Technology Group Limited www.swifttg.com (T) +44 (0)1603 262301 (M) +44 (0)7725 655600 david.stanbridge@swifttg.com =========== =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2--Matt Dralle, List Admin. =========== =========== MS - =========== ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 12:34:57 PM PST US From: "ALAN YERLY" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Has anyone landed 914 on pump #1 run by generator only? Ron, Wire the 2nd boost pump as the Europa manual and Rotax Installation diagrams indicate is light and simple with good redundancy. The only deviations I do are in a dual generator setup when a 2nd battery and non tied bus is used (you could call it an E bus) runs the other pump and associated emergency electrics. The E bus derives power from the rotax alternator, and the other pump off the main bus is charged by the belt driven alternator. My other is to have a single small battery charged off a shot key diode which drives the secondary pump. In the event of a primary bus failure, you have to turn on the secondary pump and now have a 30 minute battery to get you on the ground. You can get into endless number of what if's in these scenarios and become the office of redundant redundancy. Many are flying with both pumps wired to the main bus. If the master solenoid fails, and you use a relay to control the Rotax alternator, you can loose fuel pump power permanantly if the main bus / master solenoid fails. The Europa/Rotax method is simple and it works. Bud Yerly ----- Original Message ----- From: rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us To: europa-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, December 21, 2008 3:01 PM Subject: Europa-List: Has anyone landed 914 on pump #1 run by generator only? Curiosity question. Has anyone had a failure where the only way you could keep 914 running was by Europas schematic that has you wiring fuel pump #1 direct to generator? Thx. Ron Parigoris http://www.matronics.com/contribution http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 04:55:28 PM PST US From: "Garry" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Revised Europa Specifications Hi Dave, I took a look at the "new" website specs. Nice. I'm glad to see that Europa is no longer advertising 200 MPH cruise speeds, but I'd still argue that 155 MPH at 75% power is a bit high. I'd be more inclined to say that 140 mph is closer to real experience. Also, I appreciate that "some" builders can come in at 780 lbs empty weight, but I think if you check with the Europa Club you'll see that the average is closer to 850 lbs. With full upholstery, really good paint, and full instruments, speed mods, fairings, wheel pants, etc., I think 875 to 900 is where you'll end up. Keep up the fine work! Garry Stout A060, 914 Tri Tampa, Florida ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Stanbridge (Swift TG)" Sent: Monday, December 22, 2008 3:06 PM Subject: Europa-List: Revised Europa Specifications > > > Hi again, > > Today we finished the update of the specifications of all the models on > the > Europa website. I would appreciate if you could give them a glance over > and > let me know if in their opinion they reflect reality or not. > > Thank you, > > Dave > > Swift Technology Group Limited > www.swifttg.com > > (T) +44 (0)1603 262301 > (M) +44 (0)7725 655600 > david.stanbridge@swifttg.com > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message europa-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Europa-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/europa-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/europa-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.