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1. 05:07 AM - SV: Revised Europa Specifications (Sidsel og Svein Johnsen)
2. 06:02 AM - Re: Looking for a part complete kit or damaged Europa (Gerry Cole)
3. 06:19 AM - Re: Revised Europa Specifications (Christoph Both)
4. 08:26 AM - SV: Revised Europa Specifications (Sidsel og Svein Johnsen)
5. 08:39 AM - Re: Revised Europa Specifications (rampil)
6. 08:40 AM - Re: Revised Europa Specifications (rampil)
7. 09:49 AM - Re: Revised Europa Specifications, MAUW (G-IANI)
8. 02:25 PM - Modified monogear (by Santa) (Raimo Toivio)
9. 06:33 PM - A lot to look forward to and be thankful for! (ALAN YERLY)
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Subject: | Revised Europa Specifications |
Hi Dave,
Nice website.
Following up on Garry's point regarding empty weight, the other factor
determining payload is the allowable gross weight (MTOM).
In Norway and several other European countries we have the national CAA's
approval of 658 kg (1450 lbs) MTOM. This is based on a written statement
made several years ago by Andy Draper.
This gives us a very valuable addition in payload, and is a good marketing
point in the countries where it is applicable.
Good luck!
Svein K. Johnsen
LN-SKJ Oslo, Norway
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Subject: | Re: Looking for a part complete kit or damaged Europa |
----- Original Message -----
From: "David Joyce" <stranfaer@btinternet.com>
Sent: Sunday, December 21, 2008 8:39 PM
Subject: Europa-List: Looking for a part complete kit or damaged Europa
> <stranfaer@btinternet.com>
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> As the title says really!
> I am looking to find a damaged aircraft to repair or a part built kit!
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> Am open to suggestions.....
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> If anyone has any knowledge of either please let me know?
> rgds
> David Joyce
> (The other one)
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Subject: | Revised Europa Specifications |
Hi,
Where would we find the written statement by Andy Draper?
Christoph Both
#223
Wolfville Nova Scotia, Canada
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[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Sidsel og
Svein Johnsen
Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2008 9:06 AM
Subject: SV: Europa-List: Revised Europa Specifications
<sidsel.svein@oslo.online.no>
Hi Dave,
Nice website.
Following up on Garry's point regarding empty weight, the other factor
determining payload is the allowable gross weight (MTOM).
In Norway and several other European countries we have the national
CAA's
approval of 658 kg (1450 lbs) MTOM. This is based on a written
statement
made several years ago by Andy Draper.
This gives us a very valuable addition in payload, and is a good
marketing
point in the countries where it is applicable.
Good luck!
Svein K. Johnsen
LN-SKJ Oslo, Norway
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Subject: | Revised Europa Specifications |
Statement by Andy Draper: Please see attached.
Regards,
Svein
LN-SKJ
<christoph.both@acadiau.ca>
Hi,
Where would we find the written statement by Andy Draper?
Christoph Both
#223
Wolfville Nova Scotia, Canada
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Subject: | Re: Revised Europa Specifications |
Hi Dave,
Welcome and thank you for your interest (and more) in Europa!
I have a few comments about the new specs with particular reference
to the XS Trigear with the 912uls
1) There is no long range fuel tank for the trigear (yet!?)
2) At 8000' DA, the 912s can not make 75% power in cruise. Since the
Rotax factory does not provide sufficient data, I modeled power
Output with a simple linear model of MP and RPM. At 8000', at
takeoff rpm (limit 5 min) 5750 RPM, the engine provide 73%. At
5500 (constant pitch prop), the output is 70%, and at standard
cruise rpm of 5000 rpm, the output is 63%. That said, with the
speed kit installed and a fresh wash, I do see in the range of 135kt
TAS at 5000rpm at 8000'. My airdata system is reasonably
calibrated and the altimetry is IFR certificated. The air data is processed
and displayed by a BlueMountain EFIS.
3) While I have not done a diligent study of max climb performance,
I do expect to see about 1100 fpm at sea level up to 1000'MSL at the
published Vy.
Best Regards and Best Wishes for a Prosperous New Year,
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Ira N224XS
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=220753#220753
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Subject: | Re: Revised Europa Specifications |
Hi Dave,
Welcome and thank you for your interest (and more) in Europa!
I have a few comments about the new specs with particular reference
to the XS Trigear with the 912uls
1) There is no long range fuel tank for the trigear (yet!?)
2) At 8000' DA, the 912s can not make 75% power in cruise. Since the
Rotax factory does not provide sufficient data, I modeled power
Output with a simple linear model of MP and RPM. At 8000', at
takeoff rpm (limit 5 min) 5750 RPM, the engine provide 73%. At
5500 (constant pitch prop), the output is 70%, and at standard
cruise rpm of 5000 rpm, the output is 63%. That said, with the
speed kit installed and a fresh wash, I do see in the range of 135kt
TAS at 5000rpm at 8000'. My airdata system is reasonably
calibrated and the altimetry is IFR certificated. The air data is processed
and displayed by a BlueMountain EFIS.
3) While I have not done a diligent study of max climb performance,
I do expect to see about 1100 fpm at sea level up to 1000'MSL at the
published Vy.
4) The MTOW is 1450 lbs in the US, as published in my OpLims ;-)
Best Regards and Best Wishes for a Prosperous New Year,
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Ira N224XS
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=220754#220754
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Subject: | Revised Europa Specifications, MAUW |
I have copies of Andy Draper's letters regarding max all up weight increase.
I also have a file of various discussions on the subject. If anyone wants
to follow this up further they are welcome to copies. I will send a copy
direct to Christoph Booth.
Ian Rickard G-IANI XS Trigear, 200 hours
Europa Club Mods Rep (Trigear)
e-mail mods@europaclub.org.uk
or direct g-iani@ntlworld.com
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[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Christoph Both
Sent: 23 December 2008 14:16
Subject: RE: Europa-List: Revised Europa Specifications
<christoph.both@acadiau.ca>
Hi,
Where would we find the written statement by Andy Draper?
Christoph Both
#223
Wolfville Nova Scotia, Canada
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Subject: | Modified monogear (by Santa) |
Europa Community
Attached a pic "Europa unmanned operation" (with passengers).
Notice well-retracted gear.
Text is Finnish and means like
"Have a winged Xmas and plenty of good tailwind for the Year 2009".
Raimo from Finland
OH-XRT
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Subject: | A lot to look forward to and be thankful for! |
I looked at all my family visiting tonight at dinner, and am thankful
not just for them but my extended family of aviation enthusiasts, Europa
builders and owners. I can't believe how blessed I am with good health
(allowing for the extra fat and baldness), an excellent airplane design
to go thrashing about in, and a family of Europa builders and fliers,
who share their experiences and even allow an dumb fighter pilot like me
to share my experiences with them once in a while. (Don't forget Mat
Dralle as keeper of the site we all use.)
As a dealer for the aircraft, I am thankful that you all contributed to
keeping the spirit of Europa alive, and as a result, we are blessed to
have a revival of the company. Believe it or not, all your suggestions
are being worked, massaged, cost analyzed, and already some are being
implemented. Thanks to Roger Bull, and John Wheeler for carrying the
flag, and now under the leadership of Dave Stanbridge the company enjoys
new energy and is progressing at a brisk pace.
Marketing strategies are in place, air-show dates set, the website is
drawing potential buyers, advertising is coming out soon, and more
importantly, your feedback is making the product better, easier to
build, and cost effective.
Since I last spoke at the Rough River Fly-in, we have really taken off.
The aircraft is being worked from nose to tail. From tail plane mods to
new nose wheel axels, new parts and construction methods are coming to
make the plane easier to build and maintain. From wingtip to wingtip,
manufacturing efficiencies are being tested, evaluated and implemented.
The motor glider wing is in final test and approval phase for world wide
sales, and a whole new LSA wing is in design. Gross weight increases
and structural analysis evaluations are in the works also. All this
adds value to our existing aircraft.
There is a new spirit at Europa and I am excited to be part of it. In
the next few months, you will see more coming, and we look forward to
your input. Please keep the information on your experiences,
performance, and suggestions coming. All of your contributions are
important. They do not fall on deaf ears. After all, we are a family.
Have a happy holiday season, and a safe and prosperous new year.
Bud Yerly
Custom Flight Creations
US Europa Dealer
Owner A54A now ready for engine run and airworthiness inspection.
Unless I get another idea for a mod.
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