---------------------------------------------------------- Europa-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Fri 01/02/09: 18 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 05:05 AM - Outrigger question for all those Mono Owners (Peter Zutrauen) 2. 05:47 AM - Re: Outrigger question for all those Mono Owners (craig bastin) 3. 06:02 AM - Re: Outrigger question for all those Mono Owners (Peter Zutrauen) 4. 06:57 AM - Re: Landing Lights (Trevpond@aol.com) 5. 07:32 AM - Bootstrap Performance of Constant Speed Prop (rampil) 6. 09:03 AM - Garrecht Ultracompact VT01 installed anyone? (zwakie) 7. 09:52 AM - Re: Garrecht Ultracompact VT01 installed anyone? (Robert C Harrison) 8. 10:07 AM - Re: Outrigger question for all those Mono Owners (Fred Klein) 9. 11:40 AM - Re: Garrecht Ultracompact VT01 installed anyone? (zwakie) 10. 03:08 PM - Re: Garrecht Ultracompact VT01 installed anyone? (Robert C Harrison) 11. 03:15 PM - Re: Garrecht Ultracompact VT01 installed anyone? (Robert C Harrison) 12. 03:16 PM - Re: Landing lights (ALAN YERLY) 13. 06:49 PM - Taxi test videos (Robert Borger) 14. 06:49 PM - Wire cover needed (rparigoris) 15. 08:08 PM - Re: Wire cover needed (DuaneFamly@aol.com) 16. 08:15 PM - Re: Garrecht Ultracompact VT01 installed anyone? (DuaneFamly@aol.com) 17. 08:18 PM - Re: Wire cover needed (Steve Hagar) 18. 09:59 PM - Re: Taxi test videos (josok) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 05:05:10 AM PST US From: "Peter Zutrauen" Subject: Europa-List: Outrigger question for all those Mono Owners Happy New Year to all, Quick question: in many photos of monos in flight, the retracted outriggers are below horizontal by almost 30 degrees in some cases. Is this by design? Or is it from build variance, or wear? I would have assumed that the outriggers would be near 90 deg when retracted, to minimize their frontal area. From the many build photos, it appears that 90deg is not attainable due to the leg itself contacting the flap hinge, but something very close should be feasible by tweaking the complex geometry of the outrigger mechanism....no? Cheers & thx, Pete A239 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:47:12 AM PST US From: "craig bastin" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Outrigger question for all those Mono Owners Not sure what pictures u r looking at pete, but if the aircraft is "clean" then the outriggers should be virtually parallel to the wing, if however the aircraft is being pictured on take off with the small amount of flap still being used it may account for the angle you are referring to. craig -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Peter Zutrauen Sent: Friday, 2 January 2009 10:59 PM To: europa-list@matronics.com Subject: Europa-List: Outrigger question for all those Mono Owners Happy New Year to all, Quick question: in many photos of monos in flight, the retracted outriggers are below horizontal by almost 30 degrees in some cases. Is this by design? Or is it from build variance, or wear? I would have assumed that the outriggers would be near 90 deg when retracted, to minimize their frontal area. From the many build photos, it appears that 90deg is not attainable due to the leg itself contacting the flap hinge, but something very close should be feasible by tweaking the complex geometry of the outrigger mechanism....no? Cheers & thx, Pete A239 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:02:17 AM PST US From: "Peter Zutrauen" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Outrigger question for all those Mono Owners ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:57:08 AM PST US From: Trevpond@aol.com Subject: Re: Europa-List: Landing Lights Hi Rob, Where did you get your fairings and spats? regards Trev Pond G-LINN ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 07:32:47 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Bootstrap Performance of Constant Speed Prop From: "rampil" New Year's Day and I am out at the hangar measuring the prop per John Lowry's method. My prop is a bit larger than the factory recommended standard size since I built a tri-gear:-) The BAF is the Blade Activity Factor and the TAF is the total Activity. Happy New Year! -------- Ira N224XS Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=222370#222370 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/a224propbootstrap_630.pdf ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 09:03:00 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Garrecht Ultracompact VT01 installed anyone? From: "zwakie" I am about to replace my Terra TRT-250D transponder (mode a+c ) with a Mode-S transponder, and have ordered a Garrecht VT01 Ultra compact Class2. Has anyone already installed this transponder in their Europa, and was EASA paperwork completed (Form 32) that I can refer to when submitting my paperwork? Anyone interested in buying the Terra transponder once I have replaced it? Marcel Visit - www.EuropaOwners.org ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 09:52:18 AM PST US From: "Robert C Harrison" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Garrecht Ultracompact VT01 installed anyone? Hi! Marcel, I have just read and re-read the item on Mode S in the January issue of the LAA Magazine. This is very sensitive to me since I have a Garmin Mode S 328 on order from 7th January. The item reads that Mode S will not become mandatory except in Class A to C and specific areas of Class D Airspace but will be required by March 31st 2012 in those specified areas. "otherwise Mode A/C will continue until at least 2012 with a two year notice period of it's demise in UK airspace." Whilst I welcome this I'm somewhat confused when in August 2008 Dutch Military enforced Maximum height restriction of 1500ft on me flying from Speyer to Texel forcing me to either bust some local airspace or fly through an IMC storm along the Belgian/Dutch border. If we are to suffer isolated enforcement from different authorities it will be an "airborne minefield" to navigate to avoid mode S areas. Hopefully someone will respond in time with some logic so that by 6th of January I can cancel my order because I for one don't have GBP 1800 to throw in the wind. Perhaps this doesn't help you now Marcel but it may promote some enlightening discussion! Best regards and Happy New Year. Bob Harrison G-PTAG -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of zwakie Sent: 02 January 2009 17:00 Subject: Europa-List: Garrecht Ultracompact VT01 installed anyone? I am about to replace my Terra TRT-250D transponder (mode a+c ) with a Mode-S transponder, and have ordered a Garrecht VT01 Ultra compact Class2. Has anyone already installed this transponder in their Europa, and was EASA paperwork completed (Form 32) that I can refer to when submitting my paperwork? Anyone interested in buying the Terra transponder once I have replaced it? Marcel Visit - www.EuropaOwners.org ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 10:07:09 AM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: Outrigger question for all those Mono Owners From: Fred Klein On Friday, January 2, 2009, at 04:59 AM, Peter Zutrauen wrote: > Quick question: in many photos of monos in flight, the retracted > outriggers are below horizontal by almost 30 degrees in some cases. > Is this by design? Or is it from build variance, or wear? Pete...quick answer: ...build variance... It was my experience that as you assemble the mechanism, the manual calls for just a tad of filing of one of the steel arms...do so w/ extreme caution...and you will be rewarded w/ a resounding TWANG as the outrigger retracts while the nylon rod just touches the flap hinge...excess filing results in sagging outriggers. > tweaking the complex geometry of the outrigger mechanism....no? IMHO, notions of "tweaking" should be abandoned...as you say, the mechanism has a complex geometry...others have likened it to that more often found in a typewriter rather than in an aircraft landing gear. Cheers, Fred A194 -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 11:40:32 AM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: Garrecht Ultracompact VT01 installed anyone? From: "zwakie" [quote:84434a7145="ptag.dev"]Whilst I welcome this I'm somewhat confused when in August 2008 Dutch Military enforced Maximum height restriction of 1500ft on me flying from Speyer to Texel forcing me to either bust some local airspace or fly through an IMC storm along the Belgian/Dutch border.[/quote:84434a7145] You are so right here, this is exactly why I feel I have no option but to replace my mode A/C with a mode S. Not having a mode S simply is too limiting if you're based in Holland (below 1500ft are nice altitudes to fly at, but only when descending for landing or ascending to cruising level :wink: ) [quote:84434a7145="ptag.dev"]If we are to suffer isolated enforcement from different authorities it will be an "airborne minefield" to navigate to avoid mode S areas.[/quote:84434a7145] Spot on. My approach: get a mode S to eliminate the minefields all together... [quote:84434a7145="ptag.dev"]Hopefully someone will respond in time with some logic so that by 6th of January I can cancel my order because I for one don't have GBP 1800 to throw in the wind.[/quote:84434a7145] Well, knowing that you do quite some touring around Europe, I would not consider this money thrown in the wind in your situation: having a mode S would make your touring a lot less troublesome for the time being (at some point you will be forced to replace your A/C anyway, so the money will be leaving your pocket anyway). Visit - www.EuropaOwners.org ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 03:08:26 PM PST US From: "Robert C Harrison" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Garrecht Ultracompact VT01 installed anyone? Hi! Marcel I think what you are saying is that there is more necessity for Mode S when flying in Europe than in the UK and this I can not agree with. If the UK CAA are content to bring Mode S in over a longer period but the rest of Europe isn't, IMHO this "smacks" of European bureaucracy applying "you do what WE say NOW" philosophy. I believe that the greater proportion of radar reception equipment is unable to handle all VFR Mode S traffic yet on a Europe wide basis, or am I mistaken? Regards Bob Harrison G-PTAG -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of zwakie Sent: 02 January 2009 19:39 Subject: Re: Europa-List: Garrecht Ultracompact VT01 installed anyone? [quote:84434a7145="ptag.dev"]Whilst I welcome this I'm somewhat confused when in August 2008 Dutch Military enforced Maximum height restriction of 1500ft on me flying from Speyer to Texel forcing me to either bust some local airspace or fly through an IMC storm along the Belgian/Dutch border.[/quote:84434a7145] You are so right here, this is exactly why I feel I have no option but to replace my mode A/C with a mode S. Not having a mode S simply is too limiting if you're based in Holland (below 1500ft are nice altitudes to fly at, but only when descending for landing or ascending to cruising level :wink: ) [quote:84434a7145="ptag.dev"]If we are to suffer isolated enforcement from different authorities it will be an "airborne minefield" to navigate to avoid mode S areas.[/quote:84434a7145] Spot on. My approach: get a mode S to eliminate the minefields all together... [quote:84434a7145="ptag.dev"]Hopefully someone will respond in time with some logic so that by 6th of January I can cancel my order because I for one don't have GBP 1800 to throw in the wind.[/quote:84434a7145] Well, knowing that you do quite some touring around Europe, I would not consider this money thrown in the wind in your situation: having a mode S would make your touring a lot less troublesome for the time being (at some point you will be forced to replace your A/C anyway, so the money will be leaving your pocket anyway). Visit - www.EuropaOwners.org ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 03:15:58 PM PST US From: "Robert C Harrison" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Garrecht Ultracompact VT01 installed anyone? Hi! Marcel, Further to my message just sent on this Mode S topic on past experiences a delay period of three years is quite likely for the equipment specifications to change so that mandatory installation just may make equipment bought now obsolete necessitating still further expense, don't forget it's our hard earned cash they are spending not theirs! Regards Bob Harrison G-PTAG -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of zwakie Sent: 02 January 2009 19:39 Subject: Re: Europa-List: Garrecht Ultracompact VT01 installed anyone? [quote:84434a7145="ptag.dev"]Whilst I welcome this I'm somewhat confused when in August 2008 Dutch Military enforced Maximum height restriction of 1500ft on me flying from Speyer to Texel forcing me to either bust some local airspace or fly through an IMC storm along the Belgian/Dutch border.[/quote:84434a7145] You are so right here, this is exactly why I feel I have no option but to replace my mode A/C with a mode S. Not having a mode S simply is too limiting if you're based in Holland (below 1500ft are nice altitudes to fly at, but only when descending for landing or ascending to cruising level :wink: ) [quote:84434a7145="ptag.dev"]If we are to suffer isolated enforcement from different authorities it will be an "airborne minefield" to navigate to avoid mode S areas.[/quote:84434a7145] Spot on. My approach: get a mode S to eliminate the minefields all together... [quote:84434a7145="ptag.dev"]Hopefully someone will respond in time with some logic so that by 6th of January I can cancel my order because I for one don't have GBP 1800 to throw in the wind.[/quote:84434a7145] Well, knowing that you do quite some touring around Europe, I would not consider this money thrown in the wind in your situation: having a mode S would make your touring a lot less troublesome for the time being (at some point you will be forced to replace your A/C anyway, so the money will be leaving your pocket anyway). Visit - www.EuropaOwners.org ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 03:16:39 PM PST US From: "ALAN YERLY" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Landing lights Craig, Why not make a nice looking teardrop for the aileron inspection plate and use a 55 watt halogen driving light nicely faired in. I've done it once with a Whelen recognition light and once with a $15 Walmart driving light set, and both work fine. Of course you must not have the wires interfere with the controls. I've seen guys put it in the mono and trigear outboard fairings, and if you like to spend hours, cut the leading edge and put in a classical styled headlight in the leading edge. That's if you want to spend another 100 hours making it perfect, sealed on the Leading Edge, vented and maintainable. On my website I have a picture of one in the cowl, and mine is in a modified flap hinge cover under the fuselage using a standard 55 watt halogen driving light. I chose under the fuselage because there are mounting bolts already built in to the flap hinge bracket, and it just takes a little foam and clay to make a nice looking fairing to go over the bulb assembly and bracket. Then remove and dissolve the foam, clean it up, run a wire or two and be done with it... Where ever you mount it, think of serviceability and vibration. A lot of choices Bud Yerly Custom Flight Creations ----- Original Message ----- From: craig bastin To: europa-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, January 01, 2009 1:22 AM Subject: Europa-List: Landing lights Has anyone fitted in wing landing lights, other than the wing tip mounted type. I have been considering something like those employed on large airliners. Obviously not that large, but mounted inside the wing with polycarbonate cover, about 1.5 metres from the root, with an access panel underneath. craig http://www.matronics.com/contribution http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 06:49:26 PM PST US From: Robert Borger Subject: Europa-List: Taxi test videos Fellow Europaphiles, My friend Joe Flood made videos of some of the taxi testing we did on 2008 01 01. Should you be interested, go to You Tube, type "Bob's Europa" into the search box and click on "Search." You should see 5 videos. #003 is not of the Europa, but of a nice Cessna 195 taking off. Check six, Bob Borger Europa Kit #A221 N914XL, XS Mono, Intercooled 914, Airmaster C/S http://www.europaowners.org/N914XL (99.999% done) Essentially complete. Running Tests & Final Inspections. 3705 Lynchburg Dr. Corinth, TX 76208 Home: 940-497-2123 Cel: 817-992-1117 ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 06:49:39 PM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Wire cover needed From: "rparigoris" Happy New Year I need to somehow cover wires running along the fuse seam from baggage bulkhead forward. What solution have those flying come up with? What's thoughts on having a removable cover to allow extra wires added easier than trying to snake through a one piece raceway? How did you handle interior up to this raceway? Is raceway cover on top of interior or interior up to edge of raceway? Is raceway what is used to support wiring, or did you support wiring in another fashion and just install a cover? How then did you support wiring? Pics would be heplful. Thx. Ron Parigoris Visit - www.EuropaOwners.org ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 08:08:53 PM PST US From: DuaneFamly@aol.com Subject: Re: Europa-List: Wire cover needed Hi Ron, I installed a raceway made of three layers of BID permanently attached to the each side wall of the fuselage. I keep a #18 wire inside the raceway in order to pull, as well as push, any additional sets of wires that I need to run through it. Just remember to add another #18 along side the new wires that you leave inside the raceway for the next time. I upholstered over the top and it looks fine. Mike Duane A207A Redding, California XS Conventional Gear Jabiru 3300A Sensenich R64Z N Ground Adjustable Prop **************Stay up-to-date on the latest news - from fashion trends to celebrity break-ups and everything in between. ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 08:15:08 PM PST US From: DuaneFamly@aol.com Subject: Re: Europa-List: Garrecht Ultracompact VT01 installed anyone? Just to my 2 cents, or maybe pence in this case.....but exactly how much less expensive will that Garmin be in 3 years? If it's anything like computer stuff, maybe 50%? From the other side of the Pond. Mike Duane A207A Redding, California XS Conventional Gear Jabiru 3300A Sensenich R64Z N Ground Adjustable Prop **************Stay up-to-date on the latest news - from fashion trends to celebrity break-ups and everything in between. ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 08:18:26 PM PST US From: "Steve Hagar" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Wire cover needed You can kill 2 birds with one stone here. The bottom door sill is not very stiff. Going in and out you tend to bend and stress it with your butt. If you make up a flat layup of about 4 layers and make a triangular gusset tunnel under the door sill moulding you get a good raceway to run the wires and stiffen up the door sill immensly. Run power on passenger side and Rf on pilot side or visa versa. Steve Hagar A143 Mesa AZ > [Original Message] > From: rparigoris > To: > Date: 1/2/2009 7:52:20 PM > Subject: Europa-List: Wire cover needed > > > Happy New Year > > I need to somehow cover wires running along the fuse seam from baggage bulkhead forward. > > What solution have those flying come up with? > > What's thoughts on having a removable cover to allow extra wires added easier than trying to snake through a one piece raceway? > > How did you handle interior up to this raceway? Is raceway cover on top of interior or interior up to edge of raceway? > > Is raceway what is used to support wiring, or did you support wiring in another fashion and just install a cover? How then did you support wiring? > > Pics would be heplful. > > Thx. > Ron Parigoris > > > Visit - www.EuropaOwners.org > > ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 09:59:04 PM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: Taxi test videos From: "josok" Happy New Year to everybody here! Great to see your bird moving under it's own steam, looking beautifully Bob. You must be even more happy then i am, seeing this :-) What was the fuel problem mentioned? I think the door-close slings will end up outside the cockpit real soon now, and give you a fright. 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