---------------------------------------------------------- Europa-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sun 01/04/09: 25 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 01:37 AM - SV: Engine and radiator hoses (Sidsel og Svein Johnsen) 2. 03:08 AM - Re: Bubble doors (Graham Singleton) 3. 09:17 AM - Engine and radiator hoses (Remi Guerner) 4. 09:35 AM - Re: Taxi test videos (Fred Klein) 5. 09:44 AM - Re: Taxi test videos (Jeff B) 6. 10:13 AM - Re: Taxi test videos (Robert Borger) 7. 10:40 AM - Re: Engine and radiator hoses (Peter Timm) 8. 10:54 AM - Non-equity member operating groups in the UK (Sean O'Reilly) 9. 11:17 AM - Re: Bubble doors (craig bastin) 10. 11:35 AM - Tannkosh and Mode S requirements in Germany? (William Harrison) 11. 11:46 AM - =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Re=3A_Europa-List=3A_Non-equity_member_?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?operating_groups_in_the_UK? (Carl Pattinson) 12. 12:59 PM - Re: Tannkosh and Mode S requirements in Germany? (Frank Kusserow) 13. 01:07 PM - Re: Bubble doors (Frank Kusserow) 14. 01:07 PM - Re: Re: Non-equity member operating groups in the UK (Sean O'Reilly) 15. 01:25 PM - Re: Bubble doors (Robert Borger) 16. 01:30 PM - Monowheel Support (h&jeuropa) 17. 01:34 PM - Re: Has anyone mounted their battery aft of baggage bulkhead? (Graham Singleton) 18. 01:50 PM - Re: Bubble doors (Frank Kusserow) 19. 01:54 PM - Re: Has anyone mounted their battery aft of baggage bulkhead? (rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us) 20. 02:03 PM - Re: Bubble doors (Robert Borger) 21. 02:22 PM - Re: Monowheel Support (Paul McAllister) 22. 03:52 PM - Re: Has anyone mounted their battery aft of baggage bulkhead? (Frans Veldman) 23. 04:33 PM - Re: Bubble doors (ALAN YERLY) 24. 04:49 PM - Re: Bubble doors (Graham Singleton) 25. 05:08 PM - Re: Has anyone mounted their battery aft of baggage (rparigoris) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 01:37:05 AM PST US From: "Sidsel og Svein Johnsen" Subject: SV: Europa-List: Engine and radiator hoses Correct, Karel. I purchased the silicone rubber water hoses (including the one pre-bent to 90 degrees) from Stefan (ingemarsson.s@telia.com). Very pleased with the hoses so far, but I only have some 40 hours on them yet. I use standard hose clamps, not the expanding type. Svein LN-SKJ Hi Paul, If my memory is still intact it was Svein Jonhsen sidsel.svein@oslo.online.no who refered to a Swedish man perhaps Stefan Ingmarsson who used that kind of blue hoses. I don't know if it was with success. You may ask him directly about. Kind regards, Karel Vranken. ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 03:08:11 AM PST US From: Graham Singleton Subject: Re: Europa-List: Bubble doors craig bastin wrote: > If you are totally commited to getting the extra head room with the > bubble door "glass" > you might try taking the doors off and gradually and carefully heating > the offending area with the door upside > down and allow it to sag under its own weight. then let it cool and > replace the doors > Of course this approach would only give you an extra 20 to 30mm. This > way if you are happy with the > result it has cost you very little, and if you wreck the "glass" then > you can still go ahead and replace it > as you first intended. > > craig You will wreck the Plexi if you do that. It reverts to it's "memory state" when heated above 130C, ie flat but bent. It will shrink Graham ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 09:17:30 AM PST US From: "Remi Guerner" Subject: Europa-List: Engine and radiator hoses Hi Paul, I have installed the blue silicone hoses from Stefan Ingemarsson on the water radiator and am very happy with them. The replacement was done one and a half year and 150 flying hours ago. The silicone is a lot better than the original rubber material for withstanding the heat radiated by the exhaust. Expensive but absolutely worth it in my opinion. Regards Remi F-PGKL 630 hours now Hi all Some time ago someone posted a few pictures of blue silicone hoses for the rotax engine and radiator. I was wondering who that was and if the hoses turned out to be a success. ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 09:35:32 AM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: Taxi test videos From: Fred Klein Bob...thanks for posting these videos...they've given me some vicarious thrills for a Sunday morning before heading out to the workshop. Nice to see your thoughtful (and unhurried) preparations for 1st flight. Best of Luck, Fred -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 09:44:09 AM PST US From: Jeff B Subject: Re: Europa-List: Taxi test videos Bob, Great to see that you're "almost" done. Maybe we'll see you at the Rough River gathering, this year... Jeff - Baby Blue Robert Borger wrote: > > Jos, > > And a Happy New Year to you too! > > Good to hear from you. > > Yes, we are quite happy with the progress to date. There is an issue > with the rudder pedal attachment on the pilot side. That's going to > take a week or so to fix. Then I am redirecting the tail wheel drive > cables. My idea of running them out the sternpost isn't working well at > all. I'm in the process of running them in a straight line out the > sides of the tail to the tail wheel. > > The fuel problem was encountered the first time we actually tried to > fill the tank from the fuel pump. I was carefully running fuel into the > filler hole and things seemed to be going quiet well. Suddenly, there > was a huge fuel gyser that must have dumped a quart (250 ml, probably > all the fuel that was in the filler neck) of fuel into the door and down > into the well behind the passenger. Fuel all over. Found out that the > vent is the limiting factor on how rapidly you can put fuel into the > tank. Fueling is a slow process > > Those door-close slings are necessary to ensure the rear bolt-shoot is > engaged. Really can't close the door without using them. So the end up > inside when you close and properly latch the door. We'll have to see > how they work over time. > > Thanks, still a couple more weeks till first flight. > > Best regards, > Bob Borger > Europa Kit #A221 N914XL, XS Mono, Intercooled 914, Airmaster C/S > http://www.europaowners.org/N914XL > (99.999% done) Essentially complete. Running Tests & Final Inspections. > 3705 Lynchburg Dr. > Corinth, TX 76208 > Home: 940-497-2123 > Cel: 817-992-1117 > > On Jan 2, 2009, at 23:57, josok wrote: > >> >> Happy New Year to everybody here! >> Great to see your bird moving under it's own steam, looking >> beautifully Bob. >> You must be even more happy then i am, seeing this :-) >> What was the fuel problem mentioned? >> I think the door-close slings will end up outside the cockpit real >> soon now, and give you a fright. >> Good luck with the first flight, >> >> Regards, >> >> Jos Okhuijsen > > > > > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 10:13:29 AM PST US From: Robert Borger Subject: Re: Europa-List: Taxi test videos Jeff, Well, I sure hope it's flying by that time! Unless Mo schedules another cruise at the same time, I plan to be there. Check six, Bob Borger Europa Kit #A221 N914XL, XS Mono, Intercooled 914, Airmaster C/S http://www.europaowners.org/N914XL (99.999% done) Essentially complete. Running Tests & Final Inspections. 3705 Lynchburg Dr. Corinth, TX 76208 Home: 940-497-2123 Cel: 817-992-1117 On Jan 4, 2009, at 11:42, Jeff B wrote: > > Bob, > > Great to see that you're "almost" done. Maybe we'll see you at the > Rough River gathering, this year... > > Jeff - Baby Blue ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 10:40:19 AM PST US From: "Peter Timm" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Engine and radiator hoses I am also flying with the silicone hoses from Stefan Ingemarsson in Sweden and find them to be very high quality and easy to install. For the spring-clips I could not find a special tool and used an old pair of two-position pliers, which worked like a charm. Europa Aircraft could not supply the formed hoses for the classic mono-wheel at the time. I also recently finished and installed fairings for the main wheel and have flown with that installation for a few hours. It turns out, that there is lots of room for a landing light in the forward part of the fairing, which is attached to the swinging arm. I have made moulds for the two-part fairings and could produce the moldings for interested parties. Peter Timm #110 ----- Original Message ----- From: Remi Guerner To: Europa-List Digest Server Sent: Sunday, January 04, 2009 9:15 AM Subject: Europa-List: Engine and radiator hoses Hi Paul, I have installed the blue silicone hoses from Stefan Ingemarsson on the water radiator and am very happy with them. The replacement was done one and a half year and 150 flying hours ago. The silicone is a lot better than the original rubber material for withstanding the heat radiated by the exhaust. Expensive but absolutely worth it in my opinion. Regards Remi F-PGKL 630 hours now Hi all Some time ago someone posted a few pictures of blue silicone hoses for the rotax engine and radiator. I was wondering who that was and if the hoses turned out to be a success. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com 1/3/2009 2:14 PM ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 10:54:47 AM PST US From: "Sean O'Reilly" Subject: Europa-List: Non-equity member operating groups in the UK I am trying to defray the cost of convenient but expensive hangarage at Red hill by bringing in another user for my Europa. Does anyone in the UK have experience of establishing a group for operating a Europa with non-equity members=2C such that the new participant would no t need to 'buy into' the aeroplane=2C but simply pay a monthly charge and/o r an hourly rate? I an assuming that such a thing is permitted under UK La w / CAA regulation! Any experience (including benchmark rates and examples of written agreement s) would be gratefully received. Regards Sean Reigate=2C UK _________________________________________________________________ Get Windows Live Messenger on your Mobile ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 11:17:08 AM PST US From: "craig bastin" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Bubble doors I have done similar before and not had any issues, perhaps i was just lucky. -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Graham Singleton Sent: Sunday, 4 January 2009 9:06 PM Subject: Re: Europa-List: Bubble doors craig bastin wrote: > If you are totally commited to getting the extra head room with the > bubble door "glass" > you might try taking the doors off and gradually and carefully heating > the offending area with the door upside > down and allow it to sag under its own weight. then let it cool and > replace the doors > Of course this approach would only give you an extra 20 to 30mm. This > way if you are happy with the > result it has cost you very little, and if you wreck the "glass" then > you can still go ahead and replace it > as you first intended. > > craig You will wreck the Plexi if you do that. It reverts to it's "memory state" when heated above 130C, ie flat but bent. It will shrink Graham Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com 2:14 PM ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 11:35:02 AM PST US From: William Harrison Subject: Europa-List: Tannkosh and Mode S requirements in Germany? Folks, Tannkosh is scheduled for 17 to 19 July. There is interest from a couple of us (me plus Alasdair Milne) to fly in. Any other takers? Does anyone know how Mode S is being imposed in Germany currently? Auf weidersein Willie Harrison On 3 Jan 2009, at 11:15, Robert C Harrison wrote: > > > > Hi! Marcel > I appreciate your points but I don't think the motives of the > authorities are such that with Mode S will entitle you to zoom about > anyw ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 11:46:27 AM PST US From: "Carl Pattinson" Subject: Europa-List: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Re=3A_Europa-List=3A_Non-equity_member_?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?operating_groups_in_the_UK? X-mailer: iAVMailScanner 1.5.6.4 Hi Sean, We operate something along the lines of what you have proposed. (I have mailed you a copy of our group rules/ agreement), however I believe that you must be a shareholder to be a legal member of a group - ie: all members must have a financial stake in the aircraft. As far as I know there is no minimum share value specified by the CAA so we decided that =A3500 would ensure the insurance excess is covered in the event of an accident. My understanding is that if group members did not have a financial stake in the aircraft then the CAA would treat this arrangement as Hire & Reward which is not permitted since a fee is being charged for the use of the aircraft (ie: the operating costs - hangarage and insurance etc). Also whilst not compulsory, I think it is desirable that group members are LAA members and also members of the particular flying club that you belong to. The insurance company will also be likely to insist that all group members have undertaken a suitable conversion course (ie the LAA training scheme). In view of the Europas tricky ground handling I would insist on this regardless (sorry, but I have assumed yours is a monowheel - it may not be). I think allowing other pilots to fly your aircraft without any sort of financial commitment is not a great idea, though you will no doubt get many takers - IMHO that is. I would be interested to know what others in the Europa fraternity think of such an arrangement. Carl ----- Original Message ----- From: Sean O'Reilly To: Europa Mailing List Sent: Sunday, January 04, 2009 6:54 PM Subject: Europa-List: Non-equity member operating groups in the UK I am trying to defray the cost of convenient but expensive hangarage at Redhill by bringing in another user for my Europa. Does anyone in the UK have experience of establishing a group for operating a Europa with non-equity members, such that the new participant would not need to 'buy into' the aeroplane, but simply pay a monthly charge and/or an hourly rate? I an assuming that such a thing is permitted under UK Law / CAA regulation! Any experience (including benchmark rates and examples of written agreements) would be gratefully received. Regards Sean Reigate, UK ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Read amazing stories to your kids oarget='_new'>Try it Now! ========= ========= ========= ========= ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ No viruses found in this incoming message Scanned by iolo AntiVirus 1.5.6.4 http://www.iolo.com _______________________________________ No viruses found in this outgoing message Scanned by iolo AntiVirus 1.5.6.4 http://www.iolo.com ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 12:59:36 PM PST US From: "Frank Kusserow" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Tannkosh and Mode S requirements in Germany? Dear All, I plan to fly to Tannkosh with my D-EJWD (Classic Mono, 912UL) as well. Mode S in Germany: You need to have mode S in Airspaces C, C above FL100, D (Control Zone), and Transponder Mandatory Zones (TMZ) otherwise Mode C or A is just fine for Flight Following with FIS. My A/C is not equipped with any kind of transponder so far, but I will have the VT-01or GTX328 in use by that time. For the latest news, Notams (Special VFR Notams!), International Flight Plan etc. you can register for free under www.dfs-ais.de (english language button on top right) and view all the current informaton about the German airspace. Regards from Germany, Frank ----- Original Message ----- From: "William Harrison" Sent: Sunday, January 04, 2009 8:31 PM Subject: Europa-List: Tannkosh and Mode S requirements in Germany? > > > Folks, > > Tannkosh is scheduled for 17 to 19 July. There is interest from a couple > of us (me plus Alasdair Milne) to fly in. Any other takers? > > Does anyone know how Mode S is being imposed in Germany currently? > > Auf weidersein > > Willie Harrison > > > On 3 Jan 2009, at 11:15, Robert C Harrison wrote: > >> > > >> >> Hi! Marcel >> I appreciate your points but I don't think the motives of the >> authorities are such that with Mode S will entitle you to zoom about >> anyw > > > ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 01:07:21 PM PST US From: "Frank Kusserow" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Bubble doors Dear All, thanks for the Ideas. I cut into the seat base today and found an inch or so of styrofoam which I will remove before I get to the windows (because it might still be not be enough headroom). I am 185 cm (73 inches) tall and up to now I barely fit into the cockpit. Is that normal in the "Classic"? Regards from Germany, Frank ----- Original Message ----- From: "craig bastin" Sent: Sunday, January 04, 2009 8:25 PM Subject: RE: Europa-List: Bubble doors > > I have done similar before and not had any issues, perhaps i was just > lucky. > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Graham > Singleton > Sent: Sunday, 4 January 2009 9:06 PM > To: europa-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Europa-List: Bubble doors > > > > > craig bastin wrote: >> If you are totally commited to getting the extra head room with the >> bubble door "glass" >> you might try taking the doors off and gradually and carefully heating >> the offending area with the door upside >> down and allow it to sag under its own weight. then let it cool and >> replace the doors >> Of course this approach would only give you an extra 20 to 30mm. This >> way if you are happy with the >> result it has cost you very little, and if you wreck the "glass" then >> you can still go ahead and replace it >> as you first intended. >> >> craig > You will wreck the Plexi if you do that. It reverts to it's "memory > state" when heated above 130C, ie flat but bent. It will shrink > Graham > > > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > 2:14 PM > > > ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 01:07:55 PM PST US From: "Sean O'Reilly" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Re: Europa-List: Non-equity member operating groups in the UK Hi Carl=2C Thank you for your response and the copy of your group rules. I agree that there are a number of ownership / operational / financial issu es that need to be addressed when considering offering a genuine equity sha re in an aeroplane vs a non-equity 'participation' via a private group. Th e operational competence issue needs to be addressed regardless and the fin ancial issue could be done via a security deposit to cover the insurance ex cess plus other unforeseen expenses that a member incurred (eg unpaid landi ng fees etc). The attraction to me for non-equity membership is to mitigate the fixed cos ts of operation whilst trying to avoid potentially messy joint ownership is sues in the future. Do you / anyone else know if law / regulation draws a distinction between a ircraft on a CAA C of A and aircraft on an LAA Permit? There seem to be a number of 'private' groups advertised in the GA media offering a non-equity stake that seem to circumvent the "Hire or Reward" issue that you highligh t. I had thought that provided your group was private (ie limited to membe rs by membership) that the hire and reward issue went away.... Maybe a bit naive! Regards Sean From: carl@flyers.freeserve.co.ukTo: europa-list@matronics.comSubject: Euro pa-List: Re: Europa-List: Non-equity member operating groups in the UKDate: Sun=2C 4 Jan 2009 19:45:50 +0000 Hi Sean=2C We operate something along the lines of what you have proposed. (I have mai led you a copy of our group rules/ agreement)=2C however I believe that you must be a shareholder to be a legal member of a group - ie: all members mu st have a financial stake in the aircraft. As far as I know there is no minimum share value specified by the CAA so we decided that =A3500 would ensure the insurance excess is covered in the ev ent of an accident. My understanding is that if group members did not have a financial stake in the aircraft then the CAA would treat this arrangement as Hire & Reward which is not permitted since a fee is being charged for t he use of the aircraft (ie: the operating costs - hangarage and insurance e tc). Also whilst not compulsory=2C I think it is desirable that group members ar e LAA members and also members of the particular flying club that you belon g to. The insurance company will also be likely to insist that all group me mbers have undertaken a suitable conversion course (ie the LAA training sch eme). In view of the Europas tricky ground handling I would insist on this regardless (sorry=2C but I have assumed yours is a monowheel - it may not b e). I think allowing other pilots to fly your aircraft without any sort of fina ncial commitment is not a great idea=2C though you will no doubt get many t akers - IMHO that is. I would be interested to know what others in the Europa fraternity think of such an arrangement. Carl ----- Original Message ----- From: Sean O'Reilly Sent: Sunday=2C January 04=2C 2009 6:54 PM Subject: Europa-List: Non-equity member operating groups in the UK I am trying to defray the cost of convenient but expensive hangarage at Red hill by bringing in another user for my Europa. Does anyone in the UK have experience of establishing a group for operating a Europa with non-equity m embers=2C such that the new participant would not need to 'buy into' the ae roplane=2C but simply pay a monthly charge and/or an hourly rate? I an ass uming that such a thing is permitted under UK Law / CAA regulation! Any exp erience (including benchmark rates and examples of written agreements) woul d be gratefully received. 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I am 6 ft (72 in, 183 cm) tall and I do not have any trouble fitting in my XS with standard Europa seat cushions. I still have, at a minimum, another 2 in (5 cm) of head space. Work more with those cushions before you go to the trouble of replacing the doors/windows. Check six, Bob Borger Europa Kit #A221 N914XL, XS Mono, Intercooled 914, Airmaster C/S http://www.europaowners.org/N914XL (99.999% done) Essentially complete. Running Tests & Final Inspections. 3705 Lynchburg Dr. Corinth, TX 76208 Home: 940-497-2123 Cel: 817-992-1117 On Jan 4, 2009, at 15:06, Frank Kusserow wrote: > > > > Dear All, > > thanks for the Ideas. I cut into the seat base today and found an > inch or so of styrofoam which I will remove before I get to the > windows (because it might still be not be enough headroom). I am 185 > cm (73 inches) tall and up to now I barely fit into the cockpit. Is > that normal in the "Classic"? > > Regards from Germany, > Frank ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 01:30:56 PM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Monowheel Support From: "h&jeuropa" We discovered our monowheel tire is flat yesterday. We have a fixture like Terry Steaver's to jack up the airplane. In the past when we have put blocks under the spars near the fuselage to support the airplane with the wheel off, the wings don't sit flat on them (tailwheel on the ground) and the support seems unstable (like the wings want to slide off the rear of the blocks). How do others support their airplane with the wheel off for maintenance? Thanks Jim & Heather N241BW Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=222840#222840 ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 01:34:41 PM PST US From: Graham Singleton Subject: Re: Europa-List: Has anyone mounted their battery aft of baggage bulkhead? rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us wrote: > > Hi Michel > > "Where did you buy #4 aluminium wire?" > > http://www.periheliondesign.com./ > > It's extruded with copper on outside. > > Ron Parigoris > which means you can solder and crimp the connectors ;-) (correction, crimp then solder) Graham ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 01:50:31 PM PST US From: "Frank Kusserow" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Bubble doors Thanks Bob for the hint - I will remove the seat base first of course. Tell us when your baby has seen the air first time. Regards, Frank ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Borger" Sent: Sunday, January 04, 2009 10:23 PM Subject: Re: Europa-List: Bubble doors > > Frank, > > There must be more foam or other packing in that seat area or > exceptionally thick seat cushions. I am 6 ft (72 in, 183 cm) tall and I > do not have any trouble fitting in my XS with standard Europa seat > cushions. I still have, at a minimum, another 2 in (5 cm) of head space. > > Work more with those cushions before you go to the trouble of replacing > the doors/windows. > > Check six, > Bob Borger > Europa Kit #A221 N914XL, XS Mono, Intercooled 914, Airmaster C/S > http://www.europaowners.org/N914XL > (99.999% done) Essentially complete. Running Tests & Final Inspections. > 3705 Lynchburg Dr. > Corinth, TX 76208 > Home: 940-497-2123 > Cel: 817-992-1117 > > On Jan 4, 2009, at 15:06, Frank Kusserow wrote: > >> > > >> >> Dear All, >> >> thanks for the Ideas. I cut into the seat base today and found an inch >> or so of styrofoam which I will remove before I get to the windows >> (because it might still be not be enough headroom). I am 185 cm (73 >> inches) tall and up to now I barely fit into the cockpit. Is that normal >> in the "Classic"? >> >> Regards from Germany, >> Frank > > > ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 01:54:04 PM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: Has anyone mounted their battery aft of baggage bulkhead? From: rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us Hi Graham > which means you can solder and crimp the connectors ;-) (correction, > crimp then solder) > Graham I did mean crimp, then solder. Ya know what's funny, when I was foolingI soldered first, then crimped and I wrote what I had done! See picture #9: http://www.europaowners.org/modules.php?set_albumName=album266&op=modload&name=gallery&file=index&include=view_album.php I agree it's best to crimp first, but when I crimped after soldering, things seemed OK where I stressed wires until they failed, not because of crimp or soldering. Ron Parigoris ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 02:03:15 PM PST US From: Robert Borger Subject: Re: Europa-List: Bubble doors Frank, You are quite welcome. You can be sure that I will shout to the world when my baby has made its first flight! Best regards, Bob Borger Europa Kit #A221 N914XL, XS Mono, Intercooled 914, Airmaster C/S http://www.europaowners.org/N914XL (99.999% done) Essentially complete. Running Tests & Final Inspections. 3705 Lynchburg Dr. Corinth, TX 76208 Home: 940-497-2123 Cel: 817-992-1117 On Jan 4, 2009, at 15:48, Frank Kusserow wrote: > > > > Thanks Bob for the hint - I will remove the seat base first of course. > Tell us when your baby has seen the air first time. > > Regards, > Frank ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 02:22:35 PM PST US From: "Paul McAllister" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Monowheel Support Hi Jim & Heather, I use the same jacking block. What I do is chock the tail wheel, place blocks under the outriggers so the wings don't rock, and once I pull the wheel off I have a thick block of wood that I place under the swing arm. I then lower the jack until the swing arm touches the block. Although it would be possible for it to "all fall over", I generally find that this is stable enough. How did you get out to your hanger this time of year, dog sled ? Cheers, Paul ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 03:52:01 PM PST US From: Frans Veldman Subject: Re: Europa-List: Has anyone mounted their battery aft of baggage bulkhead? rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us wrote: > I agree it's best to crimp first, but when I crimped after > soldering, things seemed OK where I stressed wires until they failed, not > because of crimp or soldering. This is not a good test. The problem is that solder is soft, and repeated heating and cooling causes it to slowly give way, making the connection weaker with every heat cycle. It just *appears* to be strong in the beginning, but weakens over time. The failure is mainly time related, not stress related. Don't solder before you crimp, the connection will eventually fail. Before it completely fails, it starts to give temperature related intermittent connections, making troubleshooting very difficult, and it generates excess heat on the connection where the resistance is high, enough to start a fire if the current is high enough. Just don't do it, and if you did already so, fix it before you start trusting your life to it. -- Frans ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 04:33:09 PM PST US From: "ALAN YERLY" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Bubble doors Frank, Contact Europa in the UK and we can arrange the bubble glass. I installed it in my first Europa. The glass is from LP Aero in the US. Cost was slightly higher than the original glass, but for you in Europe, shipping will be nearly as expensive. There is no speed penalty to speak of and no turbulence. I enjoyed the ability to look back farther and have another inch of headroom with my too thick cushions installed. I now have a tri-gear Classic with original gold glass. I am 70 inches tall and it sounds like you have a high sitting height. Normally, leg room is a problem in the classic for folks of your height. Do follow the suggestions offered by the others such as: First, look to cut down the blue foam under the cushion flat with the torque tube cover running down the center of the seat floor. Then, remove the rear cushion and see how the headroom is. You can gain a lot of comfort by leaning back and making the back cushion thinner. My lower cushion is only 1.5 inches of foam hollowed out in the area where I sit to about 1 inch. How I do the hollowing out is open the lower cushion and carve out some of the foam from the bottom of the foam pad until I get my butt where it needs to be and still have adequate tailbone cushion. Be sure to leave the upper part of the foam cushion intact, so when you get out of the plane, the cushion springs back to shape. My back cushion is 1 inch at my back and to the top of the headrest. Where the seat back area goes vertical to the floor near the pins my cushion fills the void and bows out to fill the gap in my back and give lumbar support. This gives me nearly 2 inches before my head hits the glass, if I lean a little right, nearly 4 inches of head room. Finally, a headset with the thinnest pad is a must for a guy as tall as you. Enjoy your plane. Bud Yerly, Custom Flight Creations, US Europa Dealer ----- Original Message ----- From: Frank Kusserow To: europa-list@matronics.com Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 6:11 PM Subject: Europa-List: Bubble doors Dear All, last November I bought D-EJWD, a Europa Classic Mono with Rotax 912 UL. Since the headroom is definately not sufficient with cussions installed just thick enough for a comfortable seating position (for max. 2 hour-flights) - I am looking for those bubble doors I have seen on few UK-pictures on europaowners.org. Where are they from? Did aerodynamics change with installation? Are there any other options of getting more headroom easily? Thanks for a hint or two. Regards, Frank Kusserow Europa Classic Mono Essen/Germany ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 04:49:16 PM PST US From: Graham Singleton Subject: Re: Europa-List: Bubble doors Frank Kusserow wrote: > > > Dear All, > > thanks for the Ideas. I cut into the seat base today and found an inch > or so of styrofoam which I will remove before I get to the windows > (because it might still be not be enough headroom). I am 185 cm (73 > inches) tall and up to now I barely fit into the cockpit. Is that > normal in the "Classic"? > > Regards from Germany, > Frank Frank you might try sitting on a small bean bag, shuffle until it's comfortable then have a look at the shape you need. The trick is to achieve even seat pressure on the body. Racing cars fill a bag with pour in place foam and let it set round the body. Has to be the right amount though. The problem is sometimes length of upper torso. Body length varies a lot, You can increase space by moving the buttocks forwards, which will raise the knees. I did modify one Europa for a guy who was 77in tall. Graham ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 05:08:50 PM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: Has anyone mounted their battery aft of baggage From: "rparigoris" Hi Frans "Don't solder before you crimp, the connection will eventually fail. Before it completely fails, it starts to give temperature related Intermitteni connections, making troubleshooting very difficult, and it generates excess heat on the connection where the resistance is high, enough to start a fire if the current is high enough. Just don't do it, and if you did already so, fix it before you start trusting your life to it." Thx. for the reply. Like I stated, plan to crimp first then solder on the "real deal". That said I would like to visit why as you indicate a high resistance joint will in fact occur with a soldered first, then crimped joint? Please elaborate, as I am not quite certain as to the why after I got to thinking about it. First off I machined ID of copper alloy 145 where it just barely allows insertion of #4 CCA, ID is .344" See picture #12: http://www.europaowners.org/modules.php?set_albumName=album266&op=modload&name=gallery&file=index&include=view_album.php Thus wire is a pretty darn good fit. On one of my sample pieces I was fooling with I soldered through a 1/8" hole and allowed solder to flow till I just saw it out wire end. Just for ha has I tried a crimp on it. This is not something I plan to do on the "real deal", but when I crimped the sample it seemed to work quite well meaning that I think the solder joint under the crimp did not get too disturbed, and the tension on the crimpers were about the same with a solderless crimp. The solder joint is ~ .625" long thus the crimp is only a portion, perhaps half that length. There is what appears to be undisturbed solder ~ .1625" before and .1625" after the crimp. Here is what I am having a little bit of a hard time with, under the crimp true things will get a little distorted, but the 63 37 solder, the aluminium wire with copper clad and the copper lug are all pretty malleable and after thinking about what is going on I kind of think compressing them together into a compact package will not in fact create a fatigued stress riser joint?? Even if it did there is the solder before and after the crimp?? Again strictly a hypothetical case, this joint will be seeing cranking amps of ~ 50 amps for not very long, and probably a continuous drain of under 10 amps for longer than an hour, and charge max. of lets say best case 40 amps engine at take off power with SD 20S and internal generator roaring, and perhaps 100 amps for a very short time if I was desperate enough to use a super automobile for a jump on a completely dead battery. Just trying to gain more knowledge on things that might not be what they seem. Thanking you in advance for reply. 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