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1. 02:29 AM - Re: Tannkosh and Mode S requirements in Germany? ()
2. 03:39 AM - Bubble doors (Remi Guerner)
3. 03:58 AM - Re: Bubble doors (Graham Singleton)
4. 04:48 AM - Tannkosh and other events in Germany (UVTReith)
5. 09:27 AM - Re: Mixture control (Terry Seaver (terrys))
6. 09:55 AM - Bubble doors (Erich Trombley)
7. 09:59 AM - Re: Monowheel Support (Terry Seaver (terrys))
8. 10:06 AM - Re: Bubble doors (Terry Seaver (terrys))
9. 11:03 AM - Re: Skymap 111C battery (zwakie)
10. 11:33 AM - Re: Skymap 111C battery (Richard Iddon)
11. 12:37 PM - Importing a Europa to the USA (Robert Hatton)
12. 12:55 PM - Re: Silicone Radiator Hose (David Buckley)
13. 01:06 PM - Re: Non-equity member operating groups in the UK (David Buckley)
14. 01:09 PM - Re: Non-equity member operating groups in the UK (David Buckley)
15. 01:18 PM - Re: Importing a Europa to the USA (Robert Borger)
16. 02:25 PM - Re: Importing a Europa to the USA (Mike Parkin)
17. 04:48 PM - Re: Bubble doors (Lance Sandford)
18. 04:51 PM - Re: Importing a Europa to the USA (Robert Hatton)
19. 07:46 PM - Re: Importing a Europa to the USA (Fred Klein)
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Subject: | Re: Tannkosh and Mode S requirements in Germany? |
Hi willie
I will probably be going so hope to see you there,
Regards
Ivor Phillips
Tannkosh is scheduled for 17 to 19 July. There is interest from a
> couple of us (me plus Alasdair Milne) to fly in. Any other takers?
>
> Does anyone know how Mode S is being imposed in Germany currently?
>
> Auf weidersein
>
> Willie Harrison
>
>
>
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Frank,
I suggest you also try to put more cushion on the lower back of the seat
to get a more reclined position. The upper portion of the seat back
should be as thin as possible. Moving your bottom forward will increase
your head clearance. However this will also reduce your leg room.
Regards
Remi Guerner
F-PGKL
>>>>>>>>>>Work more with those cushions before you go to the trouble of
replacing the doors/windows.<<<<
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Subject: | Re: Bubble doors |
Remi Guerner wrote:
> Frank,
> I suggest you also try to put more cushion on the lower back of the
> seat to get a more reclined position. The upper portion of the seat
> back should be as thin as possible. Moving your bottom forward will
> increase your head clearance. However this will also reduce your leg room.
> Regards
> Remi Guerner
> F-PGKL
Frank
If you have long body/short legs this will work well. I cut out the
thigh supports and rebuilt them shaped to fit buttocks. Very comfortable
and only needs thin cushion, (but bean bag is the best, you can change
position and still have even pressure)
Graham
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Subject: | Tannkosh and other events in Germany |
Hi Europa Family (obviously the European part only or you can make it
over
the pod),
Tannkosh is a nice place to go and I fly in too, when it will be
possible.
However there are some other but smaller events where it will be worth
to go
like the OUV fly-in etc.
It is a bit early for fixing all these dates at the moment but I guess
by
mid to end Feb. all dates will be available.
I will issue the important dates via this forum. On other hand we should
also build up Europa fleets for events in England, France, Austria and
other
countries an our friends from the other countries should do the same, so
that we can create a nice fly-in programme.
It would be great to show the strength of the Europa Family to all the
others.
I am wishing you all a successful 2009, health and a lot of pleasure.
Best Regards,
Bruno
www.europa-aircraft.de <http://www.europa-aircraft.de/>
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An: europa-list@matronics.com
Betreff: Re: Europa-List: Tannkosh and Mode S requirements in Germany?
Hi willie
I will probably be going so hope to see you there,
Regards
Ivor Phillips
Tannkosh is scheduled for 17 to 19 July. There is interest from a
> couple of us (me plus Alasdair Milne) to fly in. Any other takers?
>
> Does anyone know how Mode S is being imposed in Germany currently?
>
> Auf weidersein
>
> Willie Harrison
>
>
>
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Hi Remi,
We are members of the Experimental Aircraft Association who have
built an 'experimental aircraft'. As such, among other things not
included in our standard kit, we have installed a mixture control on our
912S which bleeds manifold pressure back into the carb bowl vents.
Testing has shown that the standard rotax carb settings are actually
lean-of-peak at sea level on the front two cylinders and that it (of
course) gets richer with altitude, passing thru peak and on down the
richer side of peak EGT with increasing altitude. It is our assumption
that it is acceptable for them to run the engines this way (lean of peak
at take off) because the heads are liquid cooled.
We believe it is then a fair assumption that we can run the engine
lean-of-peak at altitude and <75% power, given that the factory settings
run the engine lean-of-peak at full power/sea level. Of course we
monitor our exhaust, head, water, and oil temps just to make sure
everything is happy while leaning at altitude.
regards,
Terry Seaver
A135/N135TD
Monowheel XS, 912S, Airmaster prop
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[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Remi
Guerner
Sent: Friday, December 26, 2008 11:53 AM
Subject: Europa-List: Mixture control
Ron,
You will be adding a complicated system to an already complicated
engine. I am afraid this will further reduce the reliability of your
engine. Dealing with this sort of experiment on the ground (I mean on a
car or a motorbike) is something. Doing it on an airplane is another
story, especially if you want to use your bird as a reasonably reliable
cross country machine.
Just my personal opinion.
Regards
Remi
>>>>>>>>>>>N4211W not flying yet, but have and will install a mixture
control on 914.
First off installed will be a Split Second mixture display that is
driven
by a Bosch O2 sensor (will weld a bung on the muffler inlet just
downstream of turbo).
Slight different install on 914 because of Turbo compared to 912/s, but
will use a needle valve to leak pressure from normal airbox pressure
side
of enrichment solenoid to manifold cross tube. The more I leak the
leaner
the mixture will be.
This will require a run of hose to cockpit then to manifold cross tube,
I
will use high temperature Viton tubing.
I will slight richen mixture on main jet and perhaps even jet needle, I
always like to run slight rich when you are making a lot of BTUs such as
100% power or in 914s case War emergency of 115%. It can also cool
things
a little on a hot engine (including when stuck on ground).
Then will size a restriction on the controlled "leak" to manifold cross
tube so it will allow me to only lean to ~14.7 at 18K.
Then will have an emergency "rich" button that will allow me to activate
enrichment solenoid that could further richen mixture on less than War
emergency power if I wish. In addition the emergency "rich" button will
completely bypass all my additional plumbing.
For either a 912/S or 914 install, if you at cruise power if you pull
throttle without closing off your controlled leak, your engine is
probably
going to quit. On the other hand, if you set mixture at lets say 60%
power
and adjust mixture, if you increase power you will go richer than
probably
desired.
Another problem is if you lean at altitude, when you come down things
will
lean up further.
Having a Split Second display is a nice tool for this control, a EGT
(which I have one on each side of motor) is only semi useful.
HAC has or had a altitude adjusting bellows, I would rather have full
manual control.
I am a motorhead and feel very comfortable fiddling with carburation. If
you can't tune a lawnmower engine to perfection by ear, owned a hot 2
stroke cycle that you managed to run on the edge for long periods
without
blowing up, probably not worth considering the controlled 'leak' method
of
adjusting Type 64 constant depression carbs.
Ron P.>>>>>>>>>>>>
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Frank,I concur with Karl, try memory foam. Additionally, I found the de
sign of the seat bottom and seat back to be critically important if you
are to fly more than a couple of hours at a time. I am 6'1" (186cm)and
am able to fly 4 hour legs without complaint. The key for me was to hav
e a semi-reclined seating position with good lumbar support. This is ac
hieved by having the seat back follow the angle of the head rest (rather
than have it flush vertically against the cockpit module. This puts th
e bottom of the seat back cushion around 4" or so from the back of the c
ockpit module. The seat bottom is made from tempur foam utilizing two 1
" thick plys of foam (one blue and one green). I have posted a few pict
ures on the builder forum.Regards,Erich TrombleyN28ET Classic Mono 914Tr
y using a cushion out of memory foam. You must be very tall.KarlFrom: fr
ank@kusserow-online.comTo: europa-list@matronics.comSubject: Europa-List
: Bubble doorsDate: Sun=2C 4 Jan 2009 00:11:46 +0100Dear All=2Clast
November I bought D-EJWD=2C a Europa Classic Mono with Rotax 912 UL.Si
nce the headroom is definately not sufficient with cussions installed ju
st thick enough for a comfortable seating position (for max. 2 hour-flig
hts) - I am looking for those bubble doors I have seen on few UK-picture
s on europaowners.org.Where are they from? Did aerodynamics change with
installation? Are there any other options of getting more headroom easil
y?Thanks for a hint or two.Regards=2CFrank KusserowEuropa Classic Mono
Essen/Germany
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Subject: | Monowheel Support |
Hi Jim,
We use the wooden jacking block when we just need to remove the wheel.
When working on the gear (and needing to retract it) we put blocks
under the wings at the spar locations. We first remove the tailplanes
and put saw horses under the tailplane torque tubes to level the plane.
We then tie weights to the tail wheel to keep the tail down once the
plane is resting on the wing spars. We then jack the plane up with the
jacking block and put the blocks under the wings, with blue foam pieces
touching the wing skin to minimize scratches, etc. We can then lower
the jack, leaving the plane on the wing blocks. The weight on the tail
is necessary because the plane will be nose heavy (stable in pitch) when
resting on blocks at the center of lift.
Regards,
Terry Seaver
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[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
h&jeuropa
Sent: Sunday, January 04, 2009 1:30 PM
Subject: Europa-List: Monowheel Support
We discovered our monowheel tire is flat yesterday. We have a fixture
like Terry Steaver's to jack up the airplane. In the past when we have
put blocks under the spars near the fuselage to support the airplane
with the wheel off, the wings don't sit flat on them (tailwheel on the
ground) and the support seems unstable (like the wings want to slide off
the rear of the blocks). How do others support their airplane with the
wheel off for maintenance?
Thanks
Jim & Heather
N241BW
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One comment on tempur foam. We had it in both our seat bottoms and the
back, where the lumbar support is. On longer trips, we both had some
back pain. We discovered that the carefully placed lumbar support was
going away because the tempur foam was relaxing over time (due to body
heat?). We replaced the tempur foam at the seat back with regular
upholstery foam, which solved the problem. Of course, we left the
tempur foam in the seat bottom to provide the crash protection it
provides.
regards,
Terry Seaver
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[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Erich
Trombley
Sent: Monday, January 05, 2009 9:52 AM
Subject: Europa-List: Bubble doors
Frank,
I concur with Karl, try memory foam. Additionally, I found the design
of the seat bottom
and seat back to be critically important if you are to fly more than a
couple of hours at
a time. I am 6'1" (186cm)and am able to fly 4 hour legs without
complaint. The key
for me was to have a semi-reclined seating position with good lumbar
support. This is
achieved by having the seat back follow the angle of the head rest
(rather than have it
flush vertically against the cockpit module. This puts the bottom of
the seat back
cushion around 4" or so from the back of the cockpit module. The seat
bottom is
made from tempur foam utilizing two 1" thick plys of foam (one blue and
one green).
I have posted a few pictures on the builder forum.
Regards,
Erich Trombley
N28ET Classic Mono 914
Try using a cushion out of memory foam. You must be very tall.
Karl
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-List: Bubble doorsDate: Sun=2C 4 Jan 2009 00:11:46 +0100
Dear All=2C
last November I bought D-EJWD=2C a Europa Classic Mono with Rotax 912
UL.
Since the headroom is definately not sufficient with cussions installed
jus
t thick enough for a comfortable seating position (for max. 2
hour-flights)
- I am looking for those bubble doors I have seen on few UK-pictures on
eu
ropaowners.org.
Where are they from? Did aerodynamics change with installation? Are
there a
ny other options of getting more headroom easily?
Thanks for a hint or two.
Regards=2C
Frank KusserowEuropa Classic Mono
Essen/Germany
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Subject: | Re: Skymap 111C battery |
I will need to replace the battery in mine as well, but before opening up the device
I would like to know what the size of the battery needs to be.
Is it AA-size (penlight)?
If is indeed is AA, would this one be OK: http://www.conrad.nl - item number 650935 - 89 ?
Please advise.
Marcel
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Subject: | Skymap 111C battery |
Hi Marcel.
I replaced mine recently after asking the forum. It wasn't a difficult
job.
The battery is a wire ended 3.7 volt Lithium Thynol Chloride AA cell.
As recommended, I bought one from RS. The RS part number is 185-5659.
Current cost is 4.80. The one you specified looks very similar.
Regards,
Richard Iddon G-RIXS
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Skymap 111C battery
I will need to replace the battery in mine as well, but before opening
up the device I would like to know what the size of the battery needs to
be.
Is it AA-size (penlight)?
If is indeed is AA, would this one be OK: http://www.conrad.nl - item
number 650935 - 89 ?
Please advise.
Marcel
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Subject: | Importing a Europa to the USA |
I am looking to import my UK based Europa to the USA. I know there will be a
"right way" to do this, and wonder if anyone can provide any advice?
Any advice and information anyone may have on shipping to the USA; any
suggested port to ship to; what has to be done to the aircraft from an FAA
perspective to make the aircraft legal in the USA; and anything anyone can
think of to help me in this process would be extremely useful.
I have not yet contacted the local FAA office yet, I thought I would try and
find out as much as possible that I could first.
Robert Hatton
email: roberthatton1@googlemail.com
UK Mobile: +44 79 66 184171
US Mobile: +01 303 906 9395
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Subject: | Re: Silicone Radiator Hose |
Tesy message - I cant remember my usedr name!
2009/1/4 Erich Trombley <erichdtrombley@juno.com>
> erichdtrombley@juno.com>
>
> Paul,
>
> I have been using the blue silicone heater hose for several years now
> without issue. While I do not have the spring type clamps I found that
> slipping heat shrink tubing over the standard worm drive hose clamps works a
> treat. Without the shrink tubing you will run the risk of the clamp cutting
> into the silicone. Additionally, I used heat shrink tubing over the end of
> the silicone hose to minimize any chance of chaffing from the clamp.
> Finally, as I concerned about the hose kinking as it came up and over the
> top of the engine I wrapped the outside of hose in that location with safety
> wire in a loose spiral then covered it with shrink wrap to keep it in place.
>
> Also, I know of one other builder that used silicone vacuum line with great
> success. Both items are available at:
>
> http://www.paragonperformance.com
>
> Regards,
>
> Erich Trombley
> N28ET Classic Mono 914
>
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Subject: | Re: Non-equity member operating groups in the UK |
I'ts not really possible.
2009/1/4 Sean O'Reilly <seanmoreilly@hotmail.com>
>
> I am trying to defray the cost of convenient but expensive hangarage at
> Redhill by bringing in another user for my Europa.
>
> Does anyone in the UK have experience of establishing a group for operating
> a Europa with non-equity members, such that the new participant would not
> need to 'buy into' the aeroplane, but simply pay a monthly charge and/or an
> hourly rate? I an assuming that such a thing is permitted under UK Law /
> CAA regulation!
>
> Any experience (including benchmark rates and examples of written
> agreements) would be gratefully received.
>
> Regards
>
> Sean
> Reigate, UK
>
> ------------------------------
> Read amazing stories to your kids oarget='_new'>Try it Now!
>
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> *
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Subject: | Re: Non-equity member operating groups in the UK |
Sorry, hit send by accident. What I ment to add was that if it is not to be
a commercial operation, each pilot needs to hold at least a 5% equity stake
in the aircraft- At any rate that was my understanding 3 years ago when I
was running a group - things may have changed!
Could you not "sell" 5% to each potential pilot and hold an undated transfer
agreement made out in your favour?
Dave
2009/1/5 David Buckley <wooburnaviation@googlemail.com>
> I'ts not really possible.
>
> 2009/1/4 Sean O'Reilly <seanmoreilly@hotmail.com>
>
>
>> I am trying to defray the cost of convenient but expensive hangarage at
>> Redhill by bringing in another user for my Europa.
>>
>> Does anyone in the UK have experience of establishing a group for
>> operating a Europa with non-equity members, such that the new participant
>> would not need to 'buy into' the aeroplane, but simply pay a monthly charge
>> and/or an hourly rate? I an assuming that such a thing is permitted under
>> UK Law / CAA regulation!
>>
>> Any experience (including benchmark rates and examples of written
>> agreements) would be gratefully received.
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> Sean
>> Reigate, UK
>>
>> ------------------------------
>> Read amazing stories to your kids oarget='_new'>Try it Now!
>>
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>>
>> *
>>
>>
>
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Subject: | Re: Importing a Europa to the USA |
Robert,
I'd suggest you contact the Experimental Aircraft Association ( http://eaa.org/ ). I'm sure someone there could provide you the information you need.
If you have any difficulty contacting anyone there let me know and I'll see if
I can find the right answers.
Is there a time schedule for this transfer?
Best regards,
Bob Borger
On Monday, January 05, 2009, at 02:35PM, "Robert Hatton" <roberthatton1@googlemail.com>
wrote:
>I am looking to import my UK based Europa to the USA. I know there will be a
>"right way" to do this, and wonder if anyone can provide any advice?
>
>
>
>Any advice and information anyone may have on shipping to the USA; any
>suggested port to ship to; what has to be done to the aircraft from an FAA
>perspective to make the aircraft legal in the USA; and anything anyone can
>think of to help me in this process would be extremely useful.
>
>
>
>I have not yet contacted the local FAA office yet, I thought I would try and
>find out as much as possible that I could first.
>
>
>
>Robert Hatton
>
>email: roberthatton1@googlemail.com
>
>UK Mobile: +44 79 66 184171
>
>US Mobile: +01 303 906 9395
>
>
>
>
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Subject: | Importing a Europa to the USA |
Robert,
Recommend you contact Alan Burrows, he took his Europa to the USA a year or
two ago. I think he still watches this list.
Regards,
Mike
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[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robert Hatton
Sent: 05 January 2009 20:35
Subject: Europa-List: Importing a Europa to the USA
I am looking to import my UK based Europa to the USA. I know there will be a
"right way" to do this, and wonder if anyone can provide any advice?
Any advice and information anyone may have on shipping to the USA; any
suggested port to ship to; what has to be done to the aircraft from an FAA
perspective to make the aircraft legal in the USA; and anything anyone can
think of to help me in this process would be extremely useful.
I have not yet contacted the local FAA office yet, I thought I would try and
find out as much as possible that I could first.
Robert Hatton
email: roberthatton1@googlemail.com
UK Mobile: +44 79 66 184171
US Mobile: +01 303 906 9395
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Subject: | Re: Bubble doors |
Frank
Dont know if it works with a Classic, but Ian Rickard developed a mod
for the XS to move the stepat the rear of the rudder pedals about 40mm
forward to the tufnel blocks, thus increasing the leg room.
This would recover any legroom lost in moving the seat bottom forward.
Regards
Lance Sandford (only 6 2)
>
> Remi Guerner wrote:
>> Frank,
>> I suggest you also try to put more cushion on the lower back of the
>> seat to get a more reclined position. The upper portion of the seat
>> back should be as thin as possible. Moving your bottom forward will
>> increase your head clearance. However this will also reduce your leg
>> room.
>> Regards
>> Remi Guerner
>> F-PGKL
> Frank
> If you have long body/short legs this will work well. I cut out the
> thigh supports and rebuilt them shaped to fit buttocks. Very
> comfortable and only needs thin cushion, (but bean bag is the best,
> you can change position and still have even pressure)
> Graham
>
>
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Subject: | Importing a Europa to the USA |
Hello Bob,
I shall contact the EAA, I need to join them anyway so this will be a good start.
Many thanks for your help.
All the Best
Rob
Robert Hatton
email: roberthatton1@googlemail.com
UK Mobile: +44 79 66 184171
US Mobile: +01 303 906 9395
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robert Borger
Sent: Monday, January 05, 2009 9:17 PM
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Importing a Europa to the USA
Robert,
I'd suggest you contact the Experimental Aircraft Association ( http://eaa.org/ ). I'm sure someone there could provide you the information you need.
If you have any difficulty contacting anyone there let me know and I'll see if
I can find the right answers.
Is there a time schedule for this transfer?
Best regards,
Bob Borger
On Monday, January 05, 2009, at 02:35PM, "Robert Hatton" <roberthatton1@googlemail.com>
wrote:
>I am looking to import my UK based Europa to the USA. I know there will be a
>"right way" to do this, and wonder if anyone can provide any advice?
>
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>Any advice and information anyone may have on shipping to the USA; any
>suggested port to ship to; what has to be done to the aircraft from an FAA
>perspective to make the aircraft legal in the USA; and anything anyone can
>think of to help me in this process would be extremely useful.
>
>
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>I have not yet contacted the local FAA office yet, I thought I would try and
>find out as much as possible that I could first.
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>Robert Hatton
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>email: roberthatton1@googlemail.com
>
>UK Mobile: +44 79 66 184171
>
>US Mobile: +01 303 906 9395
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>
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Subject: | Re: Importing a Europa to the USA |
> On Monday, January 05, 2009, at 02:35PM, "Robert Hatton"
> <roberthatton1@googlemail.com> wrote:
>> I am looking to import my UK based Europa to the USA. I know there
>> will be a
>> "right way" to do this, and wonder if anyone can provide any advice?
Robert,
Your fellow Brit, Alan Burrows, made the big move a couple years ago;
I'm sure he would be a good resource...not sure of his email and he
hasn't been posting lately, but I 'spect others could put you in touch
with him.
Fred
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