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Wed 01/14/09


Total Messages Posted: 7



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     1. 01:25 AM - Re: Retractable Landing light or LED (Raimo Toivio)
     2. 02:00 AM - Re: Retractable Landing light or LED (Graham Singleton)
     3. 06:42 AM - AW: Retractable Landing light or LED (UVTReith)
     4. 07:36 AM - Re: Retractable Landing light or LED (Brian Davies)
     5. 09:51 AM - AW: Retractable Landing light or LED (UVTReith)
     6. 11:10 AM - Re: DOTH Wed 14th Thruxton (Paddy Clarke)
     7. 12:31 PM - Re: AW: Retractable Landing light or LED (Fred Klein)
 
 
 


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    Time: 01:25:36 AM PST US
    From: "Raimo Toivio" <raimo.toivio@rwm.fi>
    Subject: Re: Retractable Landing light or LED
    Jeff, is it so that folks in the advertising world trust more new gas lights? Me too. I have two Hella Xenons, port-side-one is a taxilight and middle one is for landing. I have been very happy with them. Leds are brilliant but there are some problems like heat which is poison for them. Anyway - I am plannnig to update my navlights to leds. I have now Whelen made ordinary glow bulb navlights w/o strobos. They are OK but they draw totally 98 watts and that is laughable with Rotax altenator because like to use them all time flying. Wishes, Raimo OH-XRT 98hrs20min Finland www.rwm.fi ----- Original Message ----- From: "JEFF ROBERTS" <jeff@rmmm.net> Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2009 8:24 PM Subject: Re: Europa-List: Retractable Landing light or LED > I meant to send this the last time this thread was up but didn't have > time. Us folks in the advertising world seem to be working twice as > hard for half the money these days. > Anyway, here is a shot of the front of Gold Rush. Just in case one of > you might want to take the simple way out of the landing light issue. > This is one of the new gas lights. At first I thought it interfered > with the cooling but after some testing with used oil runs the light > wasn't the cause. It ended up being some bad connectors for my > stratomaster engine monitor. > > Regards, > > Jeff R. > A258 - N128LJ / Gold Rush 170 hours but the runway is too soggy to fly > right now. I think the droughts over here in mid Tennessee! > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------- ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------- > > > On Jan 13, 2009, at 11:43 AM, rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us wrote: > > > > > Has anyone tried a retractable Landing light or LED? > > > > Details please. > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > > > Thinking pretty hard about mounting our hockey puck sized Kunzleman > > LED on > > the forward portion of the outrigger OR1 (the recepticle for OR2 > > outrigger > > rod). > > > > When LED is retracted, we will add to outrigger fairing an LED well > > (LED > > lead edge fairing) where it will be very similar to the outrigger wheel > > fairing, somewhat aerodynamic lead edge shape with aft section opened. > > > > Can think of it as an outrigger wheel positioned 90 degrees compared to > > the outrigger wheel at the tip of OR2 (outrigger rod). > > > > Install will be easy, turn around bolt that mounts OR2 to OR1 and > > screw it > > into a small piece of copper that will be mounted to the heat sink I > > will > > turn out of 6061 aluminium. The reason for the copper is it will be > > used > > for the aiming adjustment. Will first try a piece of the .500" wide, > > .125" > > thick copper alloy 110 I have laying around. > > > > Unlike old timer IBM typewriter repairmen (like my late Dad) who > > cringe at > > bending linkages to make a criticle adjustments, I am going the > > Olivetti > > or Royal typewriter route, where you make many adjustments by bending. > > > > LED should be in tomorrow, will see if it can be used for both Landing > > and > > Taxi with one adjustment. Beam spread is 24 degrees. > > > > Ron Parigoris > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >


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    Time: 02:00:11 AM PST US
    From: Graham Singleton <grahamsingleton@btinternet.com>
    Subject: Re: Retractable Landing light or LED
    JEFF ROBERTS wrote: > > HI Greg, > They we're from my cheep selection. Lows etc. Anyway I like the > monitor and I'm sure the newer ones are better. I had one of the first. > The light runs on propane by the way. Those tanks are heavy;o) > > Jeff R. Hi Jeff Propane eh? I had guess on carbide ;-) /acetylene Graham


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    Time: 06:42:23 AM PST US
    From: "UVTReith" <uvtreith@t-online.de>
    Subject: Retractable Landing light or LED
    Raimo and others interested in LED lights I have installed LED Wing Lights from CreativAir.com with covers from Fred Klein and I am using Luxeon LED from Periheliondesign.com in an old Wheelen Housing. Best Regards, Bruno -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- Von: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] Im Auftrag von Raimo Toivio Gesendet: Mittwoch, 14. Januar 2009 10:26 An: europa-list@matronics.com Betreff: Re: Europa-List: Retractable Landing light or LED Jeff, is it so that folks in the advertising world trust more new gas lights? Me too. I have two Hella Xenons, port-side-one is a taxilight and middle one is for landing. I have been very happy with them. Leds are brilliant but there are some problems like heat which is poison for them. Anyway - I am plannnig to update my navlights to leds. I have now Whelen made ordinary glow bulb navlights w/o strobos. They are OK but they draw totally 98 watts and that is laughable with Rotax altenator because like to use them all time flying. Wishes, Raimo OH-XRT 98hrs20min Finland www.rwm.fi ----- Original Message ----- From: "JEFF ROBERTS" <jeff@rmmm.net> Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2009 8:24 PM Subject: Re: Europa-List: Retractable Landing light or LED > I meant to send this the last time this thread was up but didn't have > time. Us folks in the advertising world seem to be working twice as > hard for half the money these days. > Anyway, here is a shot of the front of Gold Rush. Just in case one of > you might want to take the simple way out of the landing light issue. > This is one of the new gas lights. At first I thought it interfered > with the cooling but after some testing with used oil runs the light > wasn't the cause. It ended up being some bad connectors for my > stratomaster engine monitor. > > Regards, > > Jeff R. > A258 - N128LJ / Gold Rush 170 hours but the runway is too soggy to fly > right now. I think the droughts over here in mid Tennessee! > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- ---- ------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- ---- > > > On Jan 13, 2009, at 11:43 AM, rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us wrote: > > > > > Has anyone tried a retractable Landing light or LED? > > > > Details please. > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > > > Thinking pretty hard about mounting our hockey puck sized Kunzleman > > LED on > > the forward portion of the outrigger OR1 (the recepticle for OR2 > > outrigger > > rod). > > > > When LED is retracted, we will add to outrigger fairing an LED well > > (LED > > lead edge fairing) where it will be very similar to the outrigger wheel > > fairing, somewhat aerodynamic lead edge shape with aft section opened. > > > > Can think of it as an outrigger wheel positioned 90 degrees compared to > > the outrigger wheel at the tip of OR2 (outrigger rod). > > > > Install will be easy, turn around bolt that mounts OR2 to OR1 and > > screw it > > into a small piece of copper that will be mounted to the heat sink I > > will > > turn out of 6061 aluminium. The reason for the copper is it will be > > used > > for the aiming adjustment. Will first try a piece of the .500" wide, > > .125" > > thick copper alloy 110 I have laying around. > > > > Unlike old timer IBM typewriter repairmen (like my late Dad) who > > cringe at > > bending linkages to make a criticle adjustments, I am going the > > Olivetti > > or Royal typewriter route, where you make many adjustments by bending. > > > > LED should be in tomorrow, will see if it can be used for both Landing > > and > > Taxi with one adjustment. Beam spread is 24 degrees. > > > > Ron Parigoris > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >


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    Time: 07:36:12 AM PST US
    From: "Brian Davies" <bdavies@dircon.co.uk>
    Subject: Retractable Landing light or LED
    Hi Bruno, I noticed in one of your pictures another Monowheel with an undercarriage leg full of lightening holes. Can you tell us more about it? Regards Brian Davies kit 454 _____ From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of UVTReith Sent: 14 January 2009 14:40 Subject: AW: Europa-List: Retractable Landing light or LED Raimo and others interested in LED lights I have installed LED Wing Lights from CreativAir.com with covers from Fred Klein and I am using Luxeon LED from Periheliondesign.com in an old Wheelen Housing. Best Regards, Bruno -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- Von: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] Im Auftrag von Raimo Toivio Gesendet: Mittwoch, 14. Januar 2009 10:26 An: europa-list@matronics.com Betreff: Re: Europa-List: Retractable Landing light or LED Jeff, is it so that folks in the advertising world trust more new gas lights? Me too. I have two Hella Xenons, port-side-one is a taxilight and middle one is for landing. I have been very happy with them. Leds are brilliant but there are some problems like heat which is poison for them. Anyway - I am plannnig to update my navlights to leds. I have now Whelen made ordinary glow bulb navlights w/o strobos. They are OK but they draw totally 98 watts and that is laughable with Rotax altenator because like to use them all time flying. Wishes, Raimo OH-XRT 98hrs20min Finland www.rwm.fi ----- Original Message ----- From: "JEFF ROBERTS" <jeff@rmmm.net> Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2009 8:24 PM Subject: Re: Europa-List: Retractable Landing light or LED > I meant to send this the last time this thread was up but didn't have > time. Us folks in the advertising world seem to be working twice as > hard for half the money these days. > Anyway, here is a shot of the front of Gold Rush. Just in case one of > you might want to take the simple way out of the landing light issue. > This is one of the new gas lights. At first I thought it interfered > with the cooling but after some testing with used oil runs the light > wasn't the cause. It ended up being some bad connectors for my > stratomaster engine monitor. > > Regards, > > Jeff R. > A258 - N128LJ / Gold Rush 170 hours but the runway is too soggy to fly > right now. I think the droughts over here in mid Tennessee! > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- ---- ------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- ---- > > > On Jan 13, 2009, at 11:43 AM, rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us wrote: > > > > > Has anyone tried a retractable Landing light or LED? > > > > Details please. > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > > > Thinking pretty hard about mounting our hockey puck sized Kunzleman > > LED on > > the forward portion of the outrigger OR1 (the recepticle for OR2 > > outrigger > > rod). > > > > When LED is retracted, we will add to outrigger fairing an LED well > > (LED > > lead edge fairing) where it will be very similar to the outrigger wheel > > fairing, somewhat aerodynamic lead edge shape with aft section opened. > > > > Can think of it as an outrigger wheel positioned 90 degrees compared to > > the outrigger wheel at the tip of OR2 (outrigger rod). > > > > Install will be easy, turn around bolt that mounts OR2 to OR1 and > > screw it > > into a small piece of copper that will be mounted to the heat sink I > > will > > turn out of 6061 aluminium. The reason for the copper is it will be > > used > > for the aiming adjustment. Will first try a piece of the .500" wide, > > .125" > > thick copper alloy 110 I have laying around. > > > > Unlike old timer IBM typewriter repairmen (like my late Dad) who > > cringe at > > bending linkages to make a criticle adjustments, I am going the > > Olivetti > > or Royal typewriter route, where you make many adjustments by bending. > > > > LED should be in tomorrow, will see if it can be used for both Landing > > and > > Taxi with one adjustment. Beam spread is 24 degrees. > > > > Ron Parigoris > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com 14/01/2009 06:59


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    Time: 09:51:16 AM PST US
    From: "UVTReith" <uvtreith@t-online.de>
    Subject: Retractable Landing light or LED
    Hi Brian, That=92s the Classic Europa kit-no.: 242 from Manfred Jann. If you like you can contact him for more information. wemjot.das@kabelmail.de He made that to reduce weight. As far as I know he also has built in electric driven outriggers, adjustable rudder pedals and more. We both have had our Europas for grinding, filling and painting in our Czech location. Regards, Bruno _____ Von: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] Im Auftrag von Brian Davies Gesendet: Mittwoch, 14. Januar 2009 16:29 An: europa-list@matronics.com Betreff: RE: Europa-List: Retractable Landing light or LED Hi Bruno, I noticed in one of your pictures another Monowheel with an undercarriage leg full of lightening holes. Can you tell us more about it? Regards Brian Davies kit 454 _____ From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of UVTReith Sent: 14 January 2009 14:40 Subject: AW: Europa-List: Retractable Landing light or LED Raimo and others interested in LED lights I have installed LED Wing Lights from CreativAir.com with covers from Fred Klein and I am using Luxeon LED from Periheliondesign.com in an old Wheelen Housing. Best Regards, Bruno -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- Von: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] Im Auftrag von Raimo Toivio Gesendet: Mittwoch, 14. Januar 2009 10:26 An: europa-list@matronics.com Betreff: Re: Europa-List: Retractable Landing light or LED Jeff, is it so that folks in the advertising world trust more new gas lights? Me too. I have two Hella Xenons, port-side-one is a taxilight and middle one is for landing. I have been very happy with them. Leds are brilliant but there are some problems like heat which is poison for them. Anyway - I am plannnig to update my navlights to leds. I have now Whelen made ordinary glow bulb navlights w/o strobos. They are OK but they draw totally 98 watts and that is laughable with Rotax altenator because like to use them all time flying. Wishes, Raimo OH-XRT 98hrs20min Finland www.rwm.fi ----- Original Message ----- From: "JEFF ROBERTS" <jeff@rmmm.net> Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2009 8:24 PM Subject: Re: Europa-List: Retractable Landing light or LED > I meant to send this the last time this thread was up but didn't have > time. Us folks in the advertising world seem to be working twice as > hard for half the money these days. > Anyway, here is a shot of the front of Gold Rush. Just in case one of > you might want to take the simple way out of the landing light issue. > This is one of the new gas lights. At first I thought it interfered > with the cooling but after some testing with used oil runs the light > wasn't the cause. It ended up being some bad connectors for my > stratomaster engine monitor. > > Regards, > > Jeff R. > A258 - N128LJ / Gold Rush 170 hours but the runway is too soggy to fly > right now. I think the droughts over here in mid Tennessee! > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- ---- ------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- ---- > > > On Jan 13, 2009, at 11:43 AM, rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us wrote: > > > > > Has anyone tried a retractable Landing light or LED? > > > > Details please. > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > > > Thinking pretty hard about mounting our hockey puck sized Kunzleman > > LED on > > the forward portion of the outrigger OR1 (the recepticle for OR2 > > outrigger > > rod). > > > > When LED is retracted, we will add to outrigger fairing an LED well > > (LED > > lead edge fairing) where it will be very similar to the outrigger wheel > > fairing, somewhat aerodynamic lead edge shape with aft section opened. > > > > Can think of it as an outrigger wheel positioned 90 degrees compared to > > the outrigger wheel at the tip of OR2 (outrigger rod). > > > > Install will be easy, turn around bolt that mounts OR2 to OR1 and > > screw it > > into a small piece of copper that will be mounted to the heat sink I > > will > > turn out of 6061 aluminium. The reason for the copper is it will be > > used > > for the aiming adjustment. Will first try a piece of the .500" wide, > > .125" > > thick copper alloy 110 I have laying around. > > > > Unlike old timer IBM typewriter repairmen (like my late Dad) who > > cringe at > > bending linkages to make a criticle adjustments, I am going the > > Olivetti > > or Royal typewriter route, where you make many adjustments by bending. > > > > LED should be in tomorrow, will see if it can be used for both Landing > > and > > Taxi with one adjustment. Beam spread is 24 degrees. > > > > Ron Parigoris > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Checked 270.10.7/1893 - Release Date: 14/01/2009 06:59


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    Time: 11:10:39 AM PST US
    From: Paddy Clarke <paddyclarke@lineone.net>
    Subject: Re: DOTH Wed 14th Thruxton
    Hi Folks, My apologies to anyone who made it to Thruxton today. I was much to optimistic - the fog didn't clear here 'til well after lunch. I'll try to do better shortly! Cheers, Paddy Paddy Clarke Europa G-KIMM


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    Time: 12:31:14 PM PST US
    From: Fred Klein <fklein@orcasonline.com>
    Subject: Re: Retractable Landing light or LED
    On Jan 14, 2009, at 6:39 AM, UVTReith wrote: > I have installed LED Wing Lights from CreativAir.com with covers > from Fred Klein and I am using Luxeon LED from Periheliondesign.com > in an old Wheelen Housing. Hi Bruno, Your tail light looks intriguing...could you post a photo showing it from the side? Thanks, Fred -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean.




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