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1. 03:04 AM - Re: Trio Altitude Hold. (G-IANI)
2. 03:47 AM - Re: Trio Altitude Hold. (Duncan & Ami McFadyean)
3. 05:25 AM - Anyone using a Jabiru 3300 on the monowheel (TELEDYNMCS@aol.com)
4. 06:50 AM - Re: Trio Altitude Hold. (Mike Parkin)
5. 09:00 AM - Re: Trio Altitude Hold. (G-IANI)
6. 09:51 AM - Garmin GTX 328 (Remi Guerner)
7. 09:55 AM - Re: Garmin GTX 328. (David Joyce)
8. 10:18 AM - [off-topic] wilma carson (Rowland & Wilma Carson)
9. 10:53 AM - Re: Trio Altitude Hold. (Graham Singleton)
10. 03:18 PM - mono-bungees (Fred Klein)
11. 03:20 PM - Re: [off-topic] wilma carson (rampil)
12. 03:49 PM - Re: Trio Altitude Hold. (rick)
13. 04:09 PM - Seat Belt Restraint Points (JR Gowing)
14. 05:25 PM - Re: Seat Belt Restraint Points (rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us)
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| Subject: | Trio Altitude Hold. |
Mike
I have just finished the standard mod (SM10507) and it is now up on the LAA
site. This covers autopilot installation for the Navaid, Trio and TruTrak
single axis only.
I have not heard of an altitude hold mod and I would have expected Andy
Draper to mention it if one had been submitted. If you get no reply from
others I suggest you ring Andy at LAA.
If one does exist then please let me know and I will work it up for approval
as a standard mod.
Ian Rickard G-IANI XS Trigear, 200 hours
Europa Club Mods Rep (Trigear)
e-mail mods@europaclub.org.uk
or direct g-iani@ntlworld.com
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| Subject: | Re: Trio Altitude Hold. |
AP with altitude hold has been approved on the RVs, AFAIK.
Duncan McF
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----- Original Message -----
From: G-IANI
To: europa-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2009 11:02 AM
Subject: RE: Europa-List: Trio Altitude Hold.
Mike
I have just finished the standard mod (SM10507) and it is now up on
the LAA site. This covers autopilot installation for the Navaid, Trio
and TruTrak single axis only.
I have not heard of an altitude hold mod and I would have expected
Andy Draper to mention it if one had been submitted. If you get no
reply from others I suggest you ring Andy at LAA.
If one does exist then please let me know and I will work it up for
approval as a standard mod.
Ian Rickard G-IANI XS Trigear, 200 hours
Europa Club Mods Rep (Trigear)
e-mail mods@europaclub.org.uk
or direct g-iani@ntlworld.com
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| Subject: | Anyone using a Jabiru 3300 on the monowheel |
Subject: Europa-List: Anyone using a Jabiru 3300 on the monowheel
Dear Europaphiles,Just a quick question for the list has or is anybody havin
g success with powering their Europa with the Jab 3300? =C2-I have one on
our Zenith 601XL and we have been quite pleased with it's performance.Thanks
for your time and consideration.Jeff Paris Europa Monowheel classic #A012
Hey Jeff,
I installed a Jabiru 3300 in N245E, a trigear, and it works great! There are
several other Europas with Jabiru engines either flying or currently under
construction in the USA. FWIW, I'm very pleased with the engine. It's
powerful, quiet and I really like the looks of the longer cowl. I've also read
that
the hydraulic lifer version of the 3300 passed JAR certification recently.
My cowls and FWF package were supplied by Andy Silvester and Suncoast
Sportplanes. Andy shut his business down a while back, but I'm told by the Jab
dealer out in CA that he has access to Andy's cowl molds and would be willing
to
produce "Jabiropa" FWF kits if there is interest. I discussed my install with
him last week and I'm in the process of putting together a package of info
for him that will aid him in formulating a FWF package based on what I did.
Contact me off list and I'll shoot you some photos.
Regards,
John Lawton
Whitwell, TN (TN89)
N245E - Flying
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| Subject: | Re: Trio Altitude Hold. |
Ian,
Thanks for that.=C2- I suspect that my installation for the Europa may be
a first.=C2- I will press on and you are welcome to the information as i
t unfolds.
regards,
Mike
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Subject: Re: Europa-List: Trio Altitude Hold.
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AP with altitude hold has been approved on the RVs,
AFAIK.
=C2-
Duncan McF
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----- Original Message -----
From:
G-IANI
To: europa-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2009 11:02
AM
Subject: RE: Europa-List: Trio Altitude
Hold.
Mike
=C2-
I have just finished the standard mod (SM10507) and
it is now up on the LAA site.=C2- This covers autopilot installation fo
r the
Navaid, Trio and TruTrak single axis only.
=C2-
I have not heard of an altitude hold mod and I would
have expected Andy Draper to mention it if one had been submitted.=C2-
If
you get no reply from others I suggest you ring Andy at
LAA.
=C2-
If one does exist then please let me know and I will
work it up for approval as a standard mod.
=C2-
Ian Rickard G-IANI XS Trigear, 200 hours
Europa Club Mods
Rep (Trigear)
e-mail mods@europaclub.org.uk=C2-=C2-
=C2-=C2- or
direct g-iani@ntlworld.com
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| Subject: | Trio Altitude Hold. |
Mike
Tony Higgins (G-CHAH) has been in touch with me by telephone. He has
purchased and fitted altitude hold. His inspector has seen the installation
and has said it looks OK but he can not sign it off as no mod application
has been made. I have agreed to work with Tony to produce a standard mod as
this would then be usable by all. He will send me what photos and details
he has next week.
I would be pleased to have whatever details you have worked out so I can
compare them with what Tony sends. It would be very helpful if you would
agree to become the prototype for the mod.
Ian Rickard G-IANI XS Trigear, 200 hours
Europa Club Mods Rep (Trigear)
e-mail mods@europaclub.org.uk
or direct g-iani@ntlworld.com
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Mike,
According to the Install Manual, the GTX 428 has been granted the
ETSO-2C112b level 2S by EASA .
I am just wondering what you need that for ?
Regards
Remi Guerner
F-PGKL
>>>>>>>Does anyone have the CAA/EASA approval details for the Garmin GTX
328.<<<<<<<
Regards,
Mike
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| Subject: | Re: Garmin GTX 328. |
Mike, My LAA Radio Installation Approval certificate for my GTX328 states
under Approval Number EASA .I.M.210.809 Regards, David Joyce, G-XSDJ
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike Parkin" <mikenjulie.parkin@btinternet.com>
Sent: Friday, January 16, 2009 8:51 PM
Subject: Europa-List: Garmin GTX 328.
> Does anyone have the CAA/EASA approval details for the Garmin GTX 328.
>
>
> Regards,
>
>
> Mike
>
>
>
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| Subject: | [off-topic] wilma carson |
Many of our friends have already been informed, but I keep realising
there are others I haven't contacted, so I hope you will forgive the
use of this forum to reach anyone I may have missed with the
following sad notice. (If you don't know who Wilma or Rowland is,
just delete this and move on.)
Wilma Carson died on the morning of Tuesday 13th Jan about 08:00.
We had a good Christmas day together, but she became ill on 26th Dec
with a severely distended abdomen and was unable to eat or drink
without vomiting since then. After it became clear that it was not
just her usual sort of digestive problem or a bad stomach bug, she
was admitted to hospital on Monday 5th January with a suspected bowel
obstruction, and was re-hydrated on a drip. Various tests indicated
cancer in both abdomen and ovaries. She became progressively weaker,
and although uncomfortable was not in any pain.
Although shocked by the diagnosis (as we all were), she was
philosophical about it, and a couple of days before she died said
that if she did not survive she would be content as she felt she had
achieved her life's purpose of spiritual union.
Please contact me direct <rowil@clara.net> if you want to know about
funeral arrangements. Issue of the death certificate (and thus
funeral planning) has been delayed by the need for a post-mortem.
regards
Rowland
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| Subject: | Re: Trio Altitude Hold. |
G-IANI wrote:
> Mike
>
> Tony Higgins (G-CHAH) has been in touch with me by telephone. He has
> purchased and fitted altitude hold. His inspector has seen the
> installation and has said it looks OK but he can not sign it off as no
> mod application has been made. I have agreed to work with Tony to
> produce a standard mod as this would then be usable by all. He will
> send me what photos and details he has next week.
>
> I would be pleased to have whatever details you have worked out so I
> can compare them with what Tony sends. It would be very helpful if
> you would agree to become the prototype for the mod.
>
>
> Ian Rickard G-IANI XS Trigear, 200 hours
> Europa Club Mods Rep (Trigear)
> e-mail mods@europaclub.org.uk
> or direct g-iani@ntlworld.com
>
Tony also has one of the few successful Jaburopa installations this side
of the pond. There may be one more, G-BYFG, a tri gear. It was damaged
last summer, (nose gear knocked off) not sure if it is flying again yet
Graham
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I've heard stories of some of you old hands replacing worn bungee cords.
Having just now installed the LG bungee system, I would like to treat
any man to his favorite beverage at the next opportune moment if he
was able to replace his bungees without totally removing his engine.
Fred
A194
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| Subject: | Re: [off-topic] wilma carson |
Dear Rowland,
I am so sorry to hear about Wilma.
At least it seems she did not suffer the prolonged usual
route of ovarian Ca. Please accept my condolences.
Ira
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| Subject: | Trio Altitude Hold. |
Mike
As Duncan says several RVs have the Trio including mine. It's very good and
I would fit it again.
Cheers
Rick
G-RIKS XS Tri
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[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mike Parkin
Sent: 17 January 2009 14:49
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Trio Altitude Hold.
Ian,
Thanks for that. I suspect that my installation for the Europa may be a
first. I will press on and you are welcome to the information as it
unfolds.
regards,
Mike
--- On Sat, 17/1/09, Duncan & Ami McFadyean <ami@mcfadyean.freeserve.co.uk>
wrote:
From: Duncan & Ami McFadyean <ami@mcfadyean.freeserve.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Trio Altitude Hold.
AP with altitude hold has been approved on the RVs, AFAIK.
Duncan McF
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From: HYPERLINK "mailto:g-iani@ntlworld.com" \nG-IANI
Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2009 11:02 AM
Subject: RE: Europa-List: Trio Altitude Hold.
Mike
I have just finished the standard mod (SM10507) and it is now up on the LAA
site. This covers autopilot installation for the Navaid, Trio and TruTrak
single axis only.
I have not heard of an altitude hold mod and I would have expected Andy
Draper to mention it if one had been submitted. If you get no reply from
others I suggest you ring Andy at LAA.
If one does exist then please let me know and I will work it up for approval
as a standard mod.
Ian Rickard G-IANI XS Trigear, 200 hours
Europa Club Mods Rep (Trigear)
e-mail mods@europaclub.org.uk
or direct g-iani@ntlworld.com
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| Subject: | Seat Belt Restraint Points |
Fellow Builders
The restraint point in the headrests has been of concern to most of us beca
use they is below shoulder height. There have been proposals made to raise
the headrests and also to hinge additional height from behind to lift the d
irection of the belts. However they all seem to impede access some extent.
Why cannot we have a restraint point in the fuselage shell situated well be
hind, and at a little lower level than the fuel filler=3F This would still
not be perfect as the line of restraint would be toward a little inboard of
directly behind the crew members, but not much.
The pair of restraint points I am proposing can be set as follows:-
Measure inside the fuselage and mark a location 18=22 behind the door frame a
nd 15=22 up from the top edge of the lower fuselage shell at the joint line.
You will find this spot to be about 6=22 above the top of the corresponding h
eadrest and about midway between the door frame and the sloping wall of the
baggage bay.
There is good space around this to reinforce the shell of the fuselage with
say 2 plies of bid approx 12=22 square, an aluminium plate, and perhaps 4 o
r more plies of bid of decreasing sizes after the first (say 2=22 less on eac
h one).
I have noted that quite large plates have been used in the head rests but m
uch smaller ones in the fuselage sides for the lap belts. Perhaps the new o
nes ( 5=22x3=22 as in the headrests or smaller=3F) could be perforated for better
adhesion and set in flox.
Now,
if there is a qualified person willing to confirm the safety of this propo
sed modification, then at least I, and I guess quite a few more builders, w
ill be pleased to transfer their bolts and washers from the headrests!
Comments welcome!
Especially an engineering approval!
to
J R (Bob) Gowing UK Kit 327 in Oz
24 High St
Bega NSW 2550
02 6492 3294
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| Subject: | Re: Seat Belt Restraint Points |
Hi Bob
I agree that the angle of shoulder harness when attached as per manual is
less than desirable.
Keep in mind that when those attachments are called upon for integrity,
there could be two "large" passengers doing the tugging, and it may not
just be forward loads, could be negative, and or side loaded. As far as
the attachments go, forward tugging will not only try tearing out with
forward loading, but downward loading as well.
I ground some numbers and did a reasonable amount of destructive testing
and came up with what I feel has a good chance of doing what I think a
shoulder should do if called upon:
See Rollbar/Shoulder Harness in two albums:
http://www.europaowners.org/modules.php?set_albumName=Begin-06-2003&op=modload&name=gallery&file=index&include=view_album.php
Lets just do a simple calculation, take a 200lb pilot, lets say 1/2 the
weight is on shoulder harness and take a 10 G stop, that's 2000lbs, now if
the shoulder harness was pulling at a 45 degree angle (that it shouldn't
be doing, recommended is 30 positive and 5 negative), that's pulling on
attachment point 4000lbs. Will your attachment be able to withstand 2
tons?
I forget the exact numbers I used, but did research quite a bit to come up
with them and will provide if required. My simple calculation may be quite
a bit off, I forget the details, but there is a good chance that it is not
50% off.
If for the most part the loads are going to be in the forward direction,
UNI is a good choice for majority of frontal loading.
We took advantage of the aft door sill which when reinforced is a very
strong structure.
Ron Parigoris
BTW I think it's Steve Crimms Europa (now sold, forget Builder's name) has
a metal plate glassed in place, I think similar to what you propose.
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