---------------------------------------------------------- Europa-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sun 01/18/09: 5 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 05:48 AM - Re: [off-topic] wilma carson (Michel AUVRAY) 2. 11:13 AM - Re: Anyone using a Jabiru 3300 on the monowheel (ANTHONY HIGGINS) 3. 01:47 PM - Re: Seat Belt Restraint Points (Fred Klein) 4. 03:06 PM - Re: Seat Belt Restraint Points (JR Gowing) 5. 06:31 PM - Re: Seat Belt Restraint Points (Fred Klein) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 05:48:38 AM PST US From: Michel AUVRAY Subject: Re: Europa-List: [off-topic] wilma carson Rowland & Wilma Carson a crit : > > > Many of our friends have already been informed, but I keep realising > there are others I haven't contacted, so I hope you will forgive the > use of this forum to reach anyone I may have missed with the following > sad notice. (If you don't know who Wilma or Rowland is, just delete > this and move on.) > > Wilma Carson died on the morning of Tuesday 13th Jan about 08:00. > > We had a good Christmas day together, but she became ill on 26th Dec > with a severely distended abdomen and was unable to eat or drink > without vomiting since then. After it became clear that it was not > just her usual sort of digestive problem or a bad stomach bug, she was > admitted to hospital on Monday 5th January with a suspected bowel > obstruction, and was re-hydrated on a drip. Various tests indicated > cancer in both abdomen and ovaries. She became progressively weaker, > and although uncomfortable was not in any pain. > > Although shocked by the diagnosis (as we all were), she was > philosophical about it, and a couple of days before she died said that > if she did not survive she would be content as she felt she had > achieved her life's purpose of spiritual union. > > Please contact me direct if you want to know about > funeral arrangements. Issue of the death certificate (and thus funeral > planning) has been delayed by the need for a post-mortem. > > regards > > Rowland Hi Roland please accept my deepest sympathy. I know you by the Europa forum since many years. -- --|-- --------(*)-------- Michel AUVRAY mau11@free.fr ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 11:13:59 AM PST US From: ANTHONY HIGGINS Subject: Re: Europa-List: Anyone using a Jabiru 3300 on the monowheel Hi Jeff,=0A=0AI have a Jabiru 3300 in my Europa mono G-CHAH. Very happy=0AI f you would like to contact me direct at anthonyhiggins596@btinternet.com =C2-we can arrange a chat.=0A=0ATony=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A______________________ __________=0AFrom: "TELEDYNMCS@aol.com" =0ATo: europa-l ist@matronics.com=0ASent: Saturday, 17 January, 2009 1:24:06 PM=0ASubject: Europa-List: Anyone using a Jabiru 3300 on the monowheel=0A=0A=0ASubject: E uropa-List: Anyone using a Jabiru 3300 on the monowheel=0A=0ADear Europaphi les,Just a quick question for the list has or is anybody havin=0Ag success with powering their Europa with the Jab 3300? =C2-I have one on =0Aour Ze nith 601XL and we have been quite pleased with it's performance.Thanks=0Afo r your time and consideration.Jeff Paris Europa Monowheel classic #A012=0A =0A=0A=0AHey Jeff,=0A=0AI installed a Jabiru 3300 in N245E,=C2-a trigear, and it works great! There are several other Europas with Jabiru engines=C2 -either flying or currently under construction=C2-in the USA. FWIW, I'm very pleased with the=C2-engine. It's powerful, quiet and I really like the looks of the longer cowl. I've also=C2-read that the hydraulic lifer version of the=C2-3300 passed JAR certification recently. =0A=0AMy cowls and FWF package=C2-were=C2-supplied by Andy Silvester and=C2-Suncoast Sportplanes. Andy=C2-shut=C2-his business=C2-down a while back, but =C2-I'm told by=C2-the Jab dealer out in CA that he=C2-has access to Andy's cowl molds and would be willing to produce "Jabiropa" FWF kits if th ere is interest. I discussed my install with him=C2-last week=C2-and I' m in the process of putting together a package of info for him that will ai d him in formulating a FWF package based on what I did. Contact me off list and I'll shoot you some photos.=0A=0ARegards,=0A=0A=0AJohn Lawton=0AWhitwe ll, TN (TN89)=0AN245E - Flying=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A______________________________ __=0AA Good C075x1215855013x1201028747/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditrep ort.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072%26hmpgID=62%26bcd=DecemailfooterNO6 ==== ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 01:47:39 PM PST US From: Fred Klein Subject: Re: Europa-List: Seat Belt Restraint Points On Jan 17, 2009, at 4:07 PM, JR Gowing wrote: > > The restraint point in the headrests has been of concern to most of > us because they is below shoulder height. There have been proposals > made to raise the headrests and also to hinge additional height from > behind to lift the direction of the belts. However they all seem to > impede access some extent. > > Why cannot we have a restraint point in the fuselage shell situated > well behind, and at a little lower level than the fuel filler? Bob, I share your concerns and gave the issue a fair amount of thought. What stopped me from establishing restraint points as you suggest were: - the limitation of my own knowledge as to how much stress could be applied to the fuselage top shell, how it could be adequately distributed, and a concern that if it were ever needed, the result could break the back of Ms. Europa. - a concern about dealing w/ potential side loads given the distance of such a restraint point from the seat back which might allow too much sideways movement of the shoulder harness, - and a concern that whatever strap or cable might lead to such a restraint point could be bothersome when loading/unloading baggage, possibly requiring disengagement from the harness. I settled on that little hinged riser (photos previously posted) because: - it allowed for standard method of entering and leaving the cabin, - all stresses could be routed to the CM as designed via the existing shoulder harness attach point, - the riser could be bench-tested to ensure that it would not fail (in compression); I put what would be a tension force of 1500# in the harness at the appropriate angle and the little hinged riser absorbed it w/ no sweat; however, the force was applied incrementally rather than abruptly. I was figuring 100# upper body weight...so, theoretically, the riser may be good for 15G, - and, when hinged back, it served to increase the area upon which one can sit while entering/exiting, and the approximately 4" x 6" area IMO only marginally reduced access to the baggage bay. At the time I made mine, I actually bought enough material to produce a few "kits", but have set that notion aside as I've proceeded with my build. Incidentally, one aspect of this solution is that it allows the use of the standard harness and can be added at any time. Fred A194 -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 03:06:16 PM PST US From: "JR Gowing" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Seat Belt Restraint Points Fred Thank you for your reply. Interesting information is coming. I did not take up the =22folding top=22 before because I thought the top down w ould take up too much room in loading baggage- but it occurs to me now that it could easily be folded and unfolded to suit the moment. Before it just seemed like unnecessary clutter. It did not occur to me that it would make the headrest into a much bigger a nd much more comfortable seat as well as correcting the angle of the belts! Maybe I am on the wrong track with the longer belt to the back=3F If you stil l have the folding seat details handy in your computer, I would be pleased if could email them to me so I can study it again. (I have not done any sea rches of the database yet and am slow to learn.) JR (Bob) Gowing UK Kit 327 in Oz ----- Original Message ----- From: Fred Klein To: europa-list@matronics.com Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 8:46 AM Subject: Re: Europa-List: Seat Belt Restraint Points On Jan 17, 2009, at 4:07 PM, JR Gowing wrote: The restraint point in the headrests has been of concern to most of us because they is below shoulder height. There have been proposals made to ra ise the headrests and also to hinge additional height from behind to lift t he direction of the belts. However they all seem to impede access some exte nt. Why cannot we have a restraint point in the fuselage shell situated wel l behind, and at a little lower level than the fuel filler=3F Bob, I share your concerns and gave the issue a fair amount of thought. What s topped me from establishing restraint points as you suggest were: - the limitation of my own knowledge as to how much stress could be appli ed to the fuselage top shell, how it could be adequately distributed, and a concern that if it were ever needed, the result could break the back of Ms . Europa. - a concern about dealing w/ potential side loads given the distance of s uch a restraint point from the seat back which might allow too much sideway s movement of the shoulder harness, - and a concern that whatever strap or cable might lead to such a restrai nt point could be bothersome when loading/unloading baggage, possibly requi ring disengagement from the harness. I settled on that little hinged riser (photos previously posted) because: - it allowed for standard method of entering and leaving the cabin, - all stresses could be routed to the CM as designed via the existing sho ulder harness attach point, - the riser could be bench-tested to ensure that it would not fail (in co mpression); I put what would be a tension force of 1500# in the harness at the appropriate angle and the little hinged riser absorbed it w/ no sweat; however, the force was applied incrementally rather than abruptly. I was fi guring 100# upper body weight...so, theoretically, the riser may be good fo r 15G, - and, when hinged back, it served to increase the area upon which one ca n sit while entering/exiting, and the approximately 4=22 x 6=22 area IMO only m arginally reduced access to the baggage bay. At the time I made mine, I actually bought enough material to produce a f ew =22kits=22, but have set that notion aside as I've proceeded with my build. Incidentally, one aspect of this solution is that it allows the use of the standard harness and can be added at any time. Fred A194 -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. =5F-=========================================================== =5F-= - The Europa-List Email Forum - =5F-= Use the Matronics List Features Navigator to browse =5F-= the many List utilities such as List Un/Subscription, =5F-= Archive Search & Download, 7-Day Browse, Chat, FAQ, =5F-= Photoshare, and much much more: =5F- =5F-= --> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator=3FEuropa-List =5F- =5F-=========================================================== =5F-= - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - =5F-= Same great content also available via the Web Forums! =5F- =5F-= --> http://forums.matronics.com =5F- =5F-=========================================================== =5F-= - List Contribution Web Site - =5F-= Thank you for your generous support! =5F-= -Matt Dralle, List Admin. =5F-= --> http://www.matronics.com/contribution =5F-=========================================================== --------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com 9 12:11 PM -- We are a community of 5.8 million users fighting spam. The Professional version does not have this message ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 06:31:01 PM PST US From: Fred Klein Subject: Re: Europa-List: Seat Belt Restraint Points On Jan 18, 2009, at 3:02 PM, JR Gowing wrote: > Interesting information is coming. Bob, Info to be revealed in due time? > f you still have the folding seat details handy in your computer, I > would be pleased if could email them to me so I can study it again. 'fraid I don't use my computer for graphics...I'm one of those Neanderthals still drawing lines...here are a couple pixs: Fred A194 -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message europa-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Europa-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/europa-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/europa-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.