---------------------------------------------------------- Europa-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 01/28/09: 8 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 02:40 AM - FW: airplane pictures (Robt.C.Harrison) 2. 01:23 PM - Bouncing Mono Classic (Frank Kusserow) 3. 03:52 PM - Re: Bouncing Mono Classic (rparigoris) 4. 04:23 PM - Re: Bouncing Mono Classic (ALAN YERLY) 5. 05:37 PM - Re: Need Redux? I need a couple more orders! (Ralph K. Hallett III) 6. 09:00 PM - Mono Wheel Tyre (p-a.austin) 7. 11:22 PM - =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Re=3A_Europa-List=3A_Bouncing_Mono_?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Classic? (Carl Pattinson) 8. 11:53 PM - Re: Bouncing Mono Classic (nigel charles) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 02:40:28 AM PST US From: "Robt.C.Harrison" Subject: Europa-List: FW: airplane pictures Hi! ll A school friend on OZ has sent me these . Allthough many are not relevant to Europa business the ones of Wing Tip Vortices are of particular note when understanding "wake turbulence separation" on take off in your Europa or for that matter wherever you should encounter it. Regards Bob Harrison G-PTAG Even if you're not into aviation, these are pretty awesome pictures! Contrail from Boeing 747. Boeing 747 past a half Moon. Boeing 757 against a full Moon. Boeing 757 at Gatwick with wake vortex. Boeing 757 showing wing vortex on clouds. Boeing 767 wing vortex on clouds. The Boeing 787 Dreamliner A7'S Davis-Monthan AFB, Tucson, AZ Airbus A-340 rainbow contrail. EMIRATES 1.5 billion dollar Airbus A-380 - since wrecked. If you didn't get the e-mail of this plane having had a "nubie" crew giving it a full power test in front of a concrete blast deflector then e-mail me for a copy . Airbus A-330 landing at Amsterdam with dramatic sky. Russian Antonov 225 on ground - largest plane in world. Camera at FL 340, Boeing 747 at FL 350, and Boeing 777 at FL 380. CONCORDE 101, the last official flight. Concorde 101 parked - nose down. Look at stretch marks on skin. F-15C, fastest takeoff ever measured. F-15E Strike Eagle - over Wales. F-111C AARDVARK Sump, and burnout. FA-18 going Sonic. FL 330 & FL 340 - going opposite direction with 1000' separation. Two Sukhoi SU-27's in close and tight - not tricked. That's all, Folks... ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 01:23:21 PM PST US From: "Frank Kusserow" Subject: Europa-List: Bouncing Mono Classic Dear all, I am slowly gaining experience with my monowheel, but today I did a few patterns on a concrete runway (before I mainly used grass strips as a beginning) and experienced hefty "bouncings" on landing, causing me to go around twice-although touchdown was quite smooth it threw me back up in the air like a rubber ball (I tried touchdown speeds between 45 and 60 kts with steep and shallow approaches, with and without flaring). The mono is one of the first from 1996-1998 with the red rubberblock as a shock absorber- since the a/c has now around 600 hrs/700 landings, could it be the case that it needs to be replaced? Or could it be something else? I know that the mono tends to bounce if not landed "on the point", but I never experienced it in my past 25 landings so badly. Did anyone have a similar experience? I use the large 8.00 tire on it. Thank you for your help Frank Kusserow Germany D-EJWD/ Europa Mono Classic/912UL/Warp Drive ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 03:52:24 PM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: Bouncing Mono Classic From: "rparigoris" Hi Frank I am not too familiar with Classic monowheels, but think I remember reading that early Classics did not have dampers. Do you have two hydraulic dampers installed? I am pretty sure there was a service bulletin or modification to add. If Europa does not still list, have a look @ EuropaOwners, I think they have older information. I am not sure if Red shock absorbers have holes for dampers. I have a XS monowheel and it has a black shock absorber with holes for dampers. If you don't have dampers, probably a good idea to install. Also look at old service info, there was a mod to early undercarriage mounting frames that adds strengthening to prevent overcentre stress failure. Ron Parigoris Visit - www.EuropaOwners.org ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 04:23:29 PM PST US From: "ALAN YERLY" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Bouncing Mono Classic Frank, Congratulations on your starting on grass. Smart move. I'll research the block with the company. Do you have the dual shock absorbers installed? Refer to the new manual Chapter 29M What is your main tire pressure? Many prefer to run a low tire pressure to preclude bounce. If you've got it firm, you're landing on a beach ball. Sounds like you've got the pressure up. We inflated the only mono I have been in at 18 pounds on a 7 inch tire and found it more comfortable with the pressure at 14-15 psi. The owner prefers it at this pressure. The plane squats in on landing. Love to hear other comments from you experience mono pilots on tire pressure and concrete runways to get a feel for what works for each of you. Bud Yerly Custom Flight Creations Europa Dealer USA. ----- Original Message ----- From: Frank Kusserow To: europa-list@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 4:04 PM Subject: Europa-List: Bouncing Mono Classic Dear all, I am slowly gaining experience with my monowheel, but today I did a few patterns on a concrete runway (before I mainly used grass strips as a beginning) and experienced hefty "bouncings" on landing, causing me to go around twice-although touchdown was quite smooth it threw me back up in the air like a rubber ball (I tried touchdown speeds between 45 and 60 kts with steep and shallow approaches, with and without flaring). The mono is one of the first from 1996-1998 with the red rubberblock as a shock absorber- since the a/c has now around 600 hrs/700 landings, could it be the case that it needs to be replaced? Or could it be something else? I know that the mono tends to bounce if not landed "on the point", but I never experienced it in my past 25 landings so badly. Did anyone have a similar experience? I use the large 8.00 tire on it. Thank you for your help Frank Kusserow Germany D-EJWD/ Europa Mono Classic/912UL/Warp Drive http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 05:37:27 PM PST US From: "Ralph K. Hallett III" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Need Redux? I need a couple more orders! Bud, please add me to your order list. You can contact me off list for delivery and purchase details. Ralph RK Hallett III Reno, NV XS mg ALAN YERLY wrote: > OK, > If you need Redux let me know ASAP. I have three firm orders and need > a couple more to get into a new batch order. > > Email me your needs. Price should be about $260-280 including shipping. > > Bud Yerly > Custom Flight Creations > > * > > > * ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 09:00:07 PM PST US From: "p-a.austin" Subject: Europa-List: Mono Wheel Tyre Team, Prior to first flight I replaced the original tyre supplied by Europa with a Tru-trac 8.00 x 6 x 6 ply after several cycles it started to rub against the root end of the L/gear forks progressively getting worse, I made up two spacers ending up with 3mm thick on the right side and 2mm on the left and all was well. Having now done just over 100 cycles it is starting to rub again on both sides, I'm loath to add more spacers for fear of getting to close or starting to conflict with the Rudder cables passing through the wheel well. As I see it I have two options, replace the Tyre with a narrower one (would that be a 7.00 x 6 x 6 ?) or remove the swing arm (with all the work that entails) and get an engineering shop to reform it, which would allow the removal of the existing spacers and retain the existing tyre. I would appreciate the forums thoughts on the pro's and cons as regards the narrower tyre etc. I use grass strips, tyre at approx 20psi. Regards Peter Austin Classic ZK-ZEB. ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 11:22:04 PM PST US From: "Carl Pattinson" Subject: Europa-List: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Re=3A_Europa-List=3A_Bouncing_Mono_?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Classic? X-mailer: iAVMailScanner 1.5.6.4 The tyre pressures are the key especially on hard surfaces. Anything above 20psi and the bounce can be horrendous. Landing at the correct airspeed also helps (too fast and a bounce is guaranteed). Even after 200 hrs I still get a frequent bounce on landing - just stay with it and control the aircraft - apply the brake as soon as possible but dont be heavy handed or you risk a ground loop - apply intermittently till the speed has reduced sufficiently. Carl G-LABS ----- Original Message ----- From: ALAN YERLY To: europa-list@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 11:58 PM Subject: Re: Europa-List: Bouncing Mono Classic Frank, Congratulations on your starting on grass. Smart move. I'll research the block with the company. Do you have the dual shock absorbers installed? Refer to the new manual Chapter 29M What is your main tire pressure? Many prefer to run a low tire pressure to preclude bounce. If you've got it firm, you're landing on a beach ball. Sounds like you've got the pressure up. We inflated the only mono I have been in at 18 pounds on a 7 inch tire and found it more comfortable with the pressure at 14-15 psi. The owner prefers it at this pressure. The plane squats in on landing. Love to hear other comments from you experience mono pilots on tire pressure and concrete runways to get a feel for what works for each of you. Bud Yerly Custom Flight Creations Europa Dealer USA. ----- Original Message ----- From: Frank Kusserow To: europa-list@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 4:04 PM Subject: Europa-List: Bouncing Mono Classic Dear all, I am slowly gaining experience with my monowheel, but today I did a few patterns on a concrete runway (before I mainly used grass strips as a beginning) and experienced hefty "bouncings" on landing, causing me to go around twice-although touchdown was quite smooth it threw me back up in the air like a rubber ball (I tried touchdown speeds between 45 and 60 kts with steep and shallow approaches, with and without flaring). The mono is one of the first from 1996-1998 with the red rubberblock as a shock absorber- since the a/c has now around 600 hrs/700 landings, could it be the case that it needs to be replaced? Or could it be something else? I know that the mono tends to bounce if not landed "on the point", but I never experienced it in my past 25 landings so badly. Did anyone have a similar experience? I use the large 8.00 tire on it. Thank you for your help Frank Kusserow Germany D-EJWD/ Europa Mono Classic/912UL/Warp Drive href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List">http://www.matronhref ="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c ========= ========= ========= ========= ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ No viruses found in this incoming message Scanned by iolo AntiVirus 1.5.6.4 http://www.iolo.com _______________________________________ No viruses found in this outgoing message Scanned by iolo AntiVirus 1.5.6.4 http://www.iolo.com ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 11:53:03 PM PST US From: "nigel charles" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Bouncing Mono Classic If you run the tyre at low pressure check that the brake caliper doesn't rub against the tyre. This is particularly a problem if the caliper is in the original low position. Even when it is visually clear, compression on landing and tight turns whilst taxying can cause the caliper to rub against the sidewall. Look for a circular mark on the sidewall during walkrounds. Rotating the caliper rearwards to be at least the in line with the trailing arm is a good idea. Nigel Charles -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of ALAN YERLY Sent: 28 January 2009 23:58 Subject: Re: Europa-List: Bouncing Mono Classic Frank, Congratulations on your starting on grass. Smart move. I'll research the block with the company. Do you have the dual shock absorbers installed? Refer to the new manual Chapter 29M What is your main tire pressure? Many prefer to run a low tire pressure to preclude bounce. If you've got it firm, you're landing on a beach ball. Sounds like you've got the pressure up. We inflated the only mono I have been in at 18 pounds on a 7 inch tire and found it more comfortable with the pressure at 14-15 psi. The owner prefers it at this pressure. The plane squats in on landing. Love to hear other comments from you experience mono pilots on tire pressure and concrete runways to get a feel for what works for each of you. Bud Yerly Custom Flight Creations Europa Dealer USA. ----- Original Message ----- From: Frank Kusserow Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 4:04 PM Subject: Europa-List: Bouncing Mono Classic Dear all, I am slowly gaining experience with my monowheel, but today I did a few patterns on a concrete runway (before I mainly used grass strips as a beginning) and experienced hefty "bouncings" on landing, causing me to go around twice-although touchdown was quite smooth it threw me back up in the air like a rubber ball (I tried touchdown speeds between 45 and 60 kts with steep and shallow approaches, with and without flaring). The mono is one of the first from 1996-1998 with the red rubberblock as a shock absorber- since the a/c has now around 600 hrs/700 landings, could it be the case that it needs to be replaced? Or could it be something else? I know that the mono tends to bounce if not landed "on the point", but I never experienced it in my past 25 landings so badly. Did anyone have a similar experience? I use the large 8.00 tire on it. 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