Today's Message Index:
----------------------
1. 02:09 AM - Re: Instrument module access cover (Raimo Toivio)
2. 02:45 AM - AW: Re: Fw: Bouncing Mono Classic (frank@kusserow-online.com)
3. 06:06 AM - Re: Instrument module access cover (Steve Hagar)
4. 07:08 AM - Bouncing Mono Classic (Justin Kennedy)
5. 07:12 AM - Europa bounce (John & Paddy Wigney)
6. 07:36 AM - Re: Bouncing Mono Classic (FelixH)
7. 07:42 AM - Re: Bouncing Mono Classic (rick)
8. 08:14 AM - Re: Instrument module access cover (Paul McAllister)
9. 10:06 AM - Re: Bouncing Mono Classic (Graham Singleton)
10. 10:55 AM - Re: Instrument module access cover (G-IANI)
11. 12:55 PM - Re: Instrument module access cover (Robert C Harrison)
12. 09:35 PM - Re: Instrument module access cover (rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us)
Message 1
INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
Subject: | Re: Instrument module access cover |
Strange! I have not but desided to do and it was just yesterday!
That is because I need access behind the radiorack and also because
my warning buzzers (stall and gear) are there I cannot hear them loud
enough.
I am going to do a net covered acces hole and large enough for my hand.
Raimo OH-XRT
----- Original Message -----
From: rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us
To: Graham
Sent: Friday, January 30, 2009 3:37 AM
Subject: Europa-List: Instrument module access cover
Hi Group
Has anyone installed an instrument module access cover just to the
left of the tray on the curved vertical portion?
Any pictures / description what you did?
Thx.
Ron Parigoris
Message 2
INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
Subject: | Re: Bouncing Mono Classic |
Thx very much for the help, i will check, if mod is installed now. Kind regards,
frank
------Originalnachricht------
Von: rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us
Absender: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
An: europa-list@matronics.com
Antwort an: europa-list@matronics.com
Gesendet: 30. Jan. 2009 05:14
Betreff: Re: Fw: Europa-List: Bouncing Mono Classic
"Couldn't get the original Mod 29 to post, due to the attachment types."
Europa.org has older mods @
http://www.europaowners.org/dlman.php <http://www.europaowners.org/dlman.php>
Native format is PDF
See Mod 26, 28 and 29
Sent via BlackBerry from E-Plus
Message 3
INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
Subject: | Instrument module access cover |
I put in a cover and located the fuses under there for my main electrical bus.
Steve Hagar
A143
Mesa AZ
----- Original Message -----
From:
Sent: 1/29/2009 7:53:13 PM
Subject: Europa-List: Instrument module access cover
Hi Group
Has anyone installed an instrument module access cover just to the left of the
tray on the curved vertical portion?
Any pictures / description what you did?
Thx.
Ron Parigoris
Message 4
INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
Subject: | Bouncing Mono Classic |
Hi All,
Although an avid reader of this forum rarely feel that I have something
that would contribute to the body of knowledge when you guys are so on
top of what you are doing. However "bouncing mono classics" was
something that I was good at until it cost me a propeller (no change out
of =A31000).
My mono classic has the shock absorbers and the narrow tyre that never
rubs. It also has the brake calliper rotated to the back.
I run the Type at 18 to 24 psi.
After much deliberation and practice I get a slight skip 50% of the time
and grease it on about 45% of the time. The other 5% include "go
arounds" and ones I would call "untidy". This is a huge improvement on
my original tally. The main thing is that I am now 95% confident on the
approach and enjoy the fact that it is unlikely to cost me another
propeller and if it does I will deserve it.
While I agree with everything people have said, the speed over the
threshold and landing is very, very critical. I talked to many an
instructor and I am very grateful to the one that came up with the
following. The speed on the round out should decay through "the stall
speed plus 10% plus half the wind speed. I then add 10 kts to give the
threshold speed. My stall speed is 42Kts with full flaps, add 10% to
give 47kts (that's rounded up =BD a knot) and say, for example, a ten
knot head wind component gives 52kts. Add ten knots to that and I should
come over the threshold with the speed decaying through 62kts. I
normally come down the approach at 70kts more if it is needed. I let the
speed decay the over the threshold at the calculated speed. At this
point I remove the remaining throttle slowly so that the round out is
slightly less violent. Sudden removal of all throttle requires a
pronounced round out which makes the timing of the manoeuvre very
critical. Smooth removal of throttle removes the need to round out so
quickly. Round out too quickly you don't get the high rate of sink
required to sink through the ground effect with unfortunate
consequences.
Wow that sounds really complicated but it is how I arrived at an easy
relationship with my aeroplane.
So when the controller gives me the wind speed, I think 47+ the half the
wind speed or it's head on component if it is very crosswind. Add 10 kts
and that's what I am aiming to be decaying through when I cross the
threshold. (I add a PUF check here (Pitch - Undercarriage - Flap) After
that it is just practice. I used it in anger landing at Calais one day
with a 35kt wind and it resulted in an absolute greaser. In actual fact
the "no wind" situation is more difficult and the formula works for that
too.
I apologise if all this speed stuff is common knowledge but it wasn't
mentioned in any of the posts on the subject.
Happy Landings
Justin
Justin Kennedy
G-ZTED Europa Classic Monowheel 912S with Airmaster Prop
Message 5
INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
Hi Paul,
Am pleased to hear that I am not the only one who gets a bounce. I think
the smoothest landing was on my first flight - smooth as glass. I do not
think I have had one better since in 900 + landings
Cheers, John
/Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: Europa-List: Bouncing Mono Classic
From: Paul McAllister <paul.the.aviator@gmail.com>
/
/
Heck, I still get a bounce after 800 + hours. Actually I find it more
of a small skip than anything these days. If I get the main and tail
wheel down at the same time, it will skip a little if there is any
flying speed left. If I get the tail wheel down first, the I get one
of those greasers that lets get out of the airplane with a dopey grin
on my face.
/
Message 6
INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
Subject: | Re: Bouncing Mono Classic |
Dear all,
it is interesting and reassuring to hear that I am not the only one finding it
a challenge to land the Europa bounce free! I have only very recently converted
to the Classic monowheel. Thus far in the 15 or so hours I have flown I had
one really bouncy landing from which I had to go round. The rest were okay.
In general the landing were fine as long as I remembered to hold off long enough,
making sure the tailwheel touches the ground slightly before the mainwheel
and the stick is kept hard back once on the ground. Flying from quite a bumpy
grass airfield with some quite large undulations running across it doesn't help
either.
Be very interesting to hear from anybody else with tips for landing!
Cheers, Felix
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=227672#227672
Message 7
INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
Subject: | Bouncing Mono Classic |
Jeez Justin
Don't try that on my 300 metre strip with no wind and at gross!
Rick Morris
G-RIKS 912S Tri 500 hours.
_____
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Justin
Kennedy
Sent: 30 January 2009 14:43
Subject: Europa-List: Bouncing Mono Classic
Hi All,
Although an avid reader of this forum rarely feel that I have something
that
would contribute to the body of knowledge when you guys are so on top of
what you are doing. However =93bouncing mono classics=94 was something
that I
was good at until it cost me a propeller (no change out of =A31000).
My mono classic has the shock absorbers and the narrow tyre that never
rubs.
It also has the brake calliper rotated to the back.
I run the Type at 18 to 24 psi.
After much deliberation and practice I get a slight skip 50% of the time
and
grease it on about 45% of the time. The other 5% include =93go
arounds=94 and
ones I would call =93untidy=94. This is a huge improvement on my
original tally.
The main thing is that I am now 95% confident on the approach and enjoy
the
fact that it is unlikely to cost me another propeller and if it does I
will
deserve it.
While I agree with everything people have said, the speed over the
threshold
and landing is very, very critical. I talked to many an instructor and I
am
very grateful to the one that came up with the following. The speed on
the
round out should decay through =93the stall speed plus 10% plus half the
wind
speed. I then add 10 kts to give the threshold speed. My stall speed is
42Kts with full flaps, add 10% to give 47kts (that=92s rounded up =BD a
knot)
and say, for example, a ten knot head wind component gives 52kts. Add
ten
knots to that and I should come over the threshold with the speed
decaying
through 62kts. I normally come down the approach at 70kts more if it is
needed. I let the speed decay the over the threshold at the calculated
speed. At this point I remove the remaining throttle slowly so that the
round out is slightly less violent. Sudden removal of all throttle
requires
a pronounced round out which makes the timing of the manoeuvre very
critical. Smooth removal of throttle removes the need to round out so
quickly. Round out too quickly you don=92t get the high rate of sink
required
to sink through the ground effect with unfortunate consequences.
Wow that sounds really complicated but it is how I arrived at an easy
relationship with my aeroplane.
So when the controller gives me the wind speed, I think 47+ the half the
wind speed or it=92s head on component if it is very crosswind. Add 10
kts and
that=92s what I am aiming to be decaying through when I cross the
threshold.
(I add a PUF check here (Pitch ' Undercarriage ' Flap) After that it
is just
practice. I used it in anger landing at Calais one day with a 35kt wind
and
it resulted in an absolute greaser. In actual fact the =93no wind=94
situation
is more difficult and the formula works for that too.
I apologise if all this speed stuff is common knowledge but it wasn=92t
mentioned in any of the posts on the subject.
Happy Landings
Justin
Justin Kennedy
G-ZTED Europa Classic Monowheel 912S with Airmaster Prop
"http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List"http://www.matronics.com/
Nav
igator?Europa-List
"http://forums.matronics.com"http://forums.matronics.com
"http://www.matronics.com/contribution"http://www.matronics.com/contribut
ion
7.5.552 /
Checked by AVG.
30/01/2009
07:37
Message 8
INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
Subject: | Re: Instrument module access cover |
Hi Ron,
I put one in the curved area and it has proved very helpful. I also
have two access panels in my firewall.
I was concerned about negatively impacting the strength of this area
so I reviewed the size, location and radius of the corners of these
access panels with Andy. Andy didn't do any formal analysis or mod
approval, it was more of a "that looks about right" kind of analysis.
Let me know if you want to know more information and I can run out to
the hanger and measure it up.
Paul
Message 9
INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
Subject: | Re: Bouncing Mono Classic |
Justin Kennedy wrote:
>
> I used it in anger landing at Calais one day with a 35kt wind and it
> resulted in an absolute greaser. In actual fact the no wind
> situation is more difficult and the formula works for that too.
>
> I apologise if all this speed stuff is common knowledge but it wasnt
> mentioned in any of the posts on the subject.
>
> Happy Landings
>
> Justin
>
> Justin Kennedy
>
> G-ZTED Europa Classic Monowheel 912S with Airmaster Prop
>
Justin
you also mentioned using a little throttle on finals which I forgot
about. The sink rate is quite high with throttle closed so I would leave
power on until after round out. One less thing to think of during the
flare ;-) ?
Graham
Message 10
INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
Subject: | Instrument module access cover |
Mine covers the access to the serial connectors for attaching a computer to
various items. Picture attached
Ian Rickard G-IANI XS Trigear, 200 hours
Europa Club Mods Rep (Trigear)
e-mail mods@europaclub.org.uk
or direct g-iani@ntlworld.com
Message 11
INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
Subject: | Instrument module access cover |
Hi! Raimo.
I have to somehow change my radio stack to accommodate my Mode S
Transponder and since it is the top unit it is out of sight from the
engine side of my FWF removable panel.
I expect that I will cut out a sizeable panel, construct some flanges
and make such a flap removable since my panel is not removable. I don't
consider the Europa Panel to be a structural item anyway and provided
such cut out is re-enforced I don't see a problem.
Regards
Bob Harrison G-PTAG
PS if Steve Hagar is reading this his reply re:- fuses in such a place
concerns me that he can access the fuses from the P1 position if he has
to change one in flight?
Bob H
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Raimo
Toivio
Sent: 30 January 2009 09:52
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Instrument module access cover
Strange! I have not but desided to do and it was just yesterday!
That is because I need access behind the radiorack and also because
my warning buzzers (stall and gear) are there I cannot hear them loud
enough.
I am going to do a net covered acces hole and large enough for my hand.
Raimo OH-XRT
----- Original Message -----
From: rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us
Sent: Friday, January 30, 2009 3:37 AM
Subject: Europa-List: Instrument module access cover
Hi Group
Has anyone installed an instrument module access cover just to the left
of the tray on the curved vertical portion?
Any pictures / description what you did?
Thx.
Ron Parigoris
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List">http://www.matronh
ref="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c
Message 12
INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
Subject: | Re: Instrument module access cover |
Hi Paul
"Let me know if you want to know more information
and I can run out to the hanger and measure it up. "
Please do!
Thx.
Ron Parigoris
Other Matronics Email List Services
These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.
-- Please support this service by making your Contribution today! --
|