---------------------------------------------------------- Europa-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Fri 01/30/09: 12 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 02:09 AM - Re: Instrument module access cover (Raimo Toivio) 2. 02:45 AM - AW: Re: Fw: Bouncing Mono Classic (frank@kusserow-online.com) 3. 06:06 AM - Re: Instrument module access cover (Steve Hagar) 4. 07:08 AM - Bouncing Mono Classic (Justin Kennedy) 5. 07:12 AM - Europa bounce (John & Paddy Wigney) 6. 07:36 AM - Re: Bouncing Mono Classic (FelixH) 7. 07:42 AM - Re: Bouncing Mono Classic (rick) 8. 08:14 AM - Re: Instrument module access cover (Paul McAllister) 9. 10:06 AM - Re: Bouncing Mono Classic (Graham Singleton) 10. 10:55 AM - Re: Instrument module access cover (G-IANI) 11. 12:55 PM - Re: Instrument module access cover (Robert C Harrison) 12. 09:35 PM - Re: Instrument module access cover (rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 02:09:26 AM PST US From: "Raimo Toivio" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Instrument module access cover Strange! I have not but desided to do and it was just yesterday! That is because I need access behind the radiorack and also because my warning buzzers (stall and gear) are there I cannot hear them loud enough. I am going to do a net covered acces hole and large enough for my hand. Raimo OH-XRT ----- Original Message ----- From: rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us To: Graham Sent: Friday, January 30, 2009 3:37 AM Subject: Europa-List: Instrument module access cover Hi Group Has anyone installed an instrument module access cover just to the left of the tray on the curved vertical portion? Any pictures / description what you did? Thx. Ron Parigoris ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 02:45:50 AM PST US Subject: AW: Re: Fw: Europa-List: Bouncing Mono Classic From: frank@kusserow-online.com Thx very much for the help, i will check, if mod is installed now. Kind regards, frank ------Originalnachricht------ Von: rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us Absender: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com An: europa-list@matronics.com Antwort an: europa-list@matronics.com Gesendet: 30. Jan. 2009 05:14 Betreff: Re: Fw: Europa-List: Bouncing Mono Classic "Couldn't get the original Mod 29 to post, due to the attachment types." Europa.org has older mods @ http://www.europaowners.org/dlman.php Native format is PDF See Mod 26, 28 and 29 Sent via BlackBerry from E-Plus ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:06:56 AM PST US From: "Steve Hagar" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Instrument module access cover I put in a cover and located the fuses under there for my main electrical bus. Steve Hagar A143 Mesa AZ ----- Original Message ----- From: Sent: 1/29/2009 7:53:13 PM Subject: Europa-List: Instrument module access cover Hi Group Has anyone installed an instrument module access cover just to the left of the tray on the curved vertical portion? Any pictures / description what you did? Thx. Ron Parigoris ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 07:08:50 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Bouncing Mono Classic From: "Justin Kennedy" Hi All, Although an avid reader of this forum rarely feel that I have something that would contribute to the body of knowledge when you guys are so on top of what you are doing. However "bouncing mono classics" was something that I was good at until it cost me a propeller (no change out of =A31000). My mono classic has the shock absorbers and the narrow tyre that never rubs. It also has the brake calliper rotated to the back. I run the Type at 18 to 24 psi. After much deliberation and practice I get a slight skip 50% of the time and grease it on about 45% of the time. The other 5% include "go arounds" and ones I would call "untidy". This is a huge improvement on my original tally. The main thing is that I am now 95% confident on the approach and enjoy the fact that it is unlikely to cost me another propeller and if it does I will deserve it. While I agree with everything people have said, the speed over the threshold and landing is very, very critical. I talked to many an instructor and I am very grateful to the one that came up with the following. The speed on the round out should decay through "the stall speed plus 10% plus half the wind speed. I then add 10 kts to give the threshold speed. My stall speed is 42Kts with full flaps, add 10% to give 47kts (that's rounded up =BD a knot) and say, for example, a ten knot head wind component gives 52kts. Add ten knots to that and I should come over the threshold with the speed decaying through 62kts. I normally come down the approach at 70kts more if it is needed. I let the speed decay the over the threshold at the calculated speed. At this point I remove the remaining throttle slowly so that the round out is slightly less violent. Sudden removal of all throttle requires a pronounced round out which makes the timing of the manoeuvre very critical. Smooth removal of throttle removes the need to round out so quickly. Round out too quickly you don't get the high rate of sink required to sink through the ground effect with unfortunate consequences. Wow that sounds really complicated but it is how I arrived at an easy relationship with my aeroplane. So when the controller gives me the wind speed, I think 47+ the half the wind speed or it's head on component if it is very crosswind. Add 10 kts and that's what I am aiming to be decaying through when I cross the threshold. (I add a PUF check here (Pitch - Undercarriage - Flap) After that it is just practice. I used it in anger landing at Calais one day with a 35kt wind and it resulted in an absolute greaser. In actual fact the "no wind" situation is more difficult and the formula works for that too. I apologise if all this speed stuff is common knowledge but it wasn't mentioned in any of the posts on the subject. Happy Landings Justin Justin Kennedy G-ZTED Europa Classic Monowheel 912S with Airmaster Prop ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 07:12:22 AM PST US From: John & Paddy Wigney Subject: Europa-List: Europa bounce Hi Paul, Am pleased to hear that I am not the only one who gets a bounce. I think the smoothest landing was on my first flight - smooth as glass. I do not think I have had one better since in 900 + landings Cheers, John /Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: Europa-List: Bouncing Mono Classic From: Paul McAllister / / Heck, I still get a bounce after 800 + hours. Actually I find it more of a small skip than anything these days. If I get the main and tail wheel down at the same time, it will skip a little if there is any flying speed left. If I get the tail wheel down first, the I get one of those greasers that lets get out of the airplane with a dopey grin on my face. / ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 07:36:42 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: Bouncing Mono Classic From: "FelixH" Dear all, it is interesting and reassuring to hear that I am not the only one finding it a challenge to land the Europa bounce free! I have only very recently converted to the Classic monowheel. Thus far in the 15 or so hours I have flown I had one really bouncy landing from which I had to go round. The rest were okay. In general the landing were fine as long as I remembered to hold off long enough, making sure the tailwheel touches the ground slightly before the mainwheel and the stick is kept hard back once on the ground. Flying from quite a bumpy grass airfield with some quite large undulations running across it doesn't help either. Be very interesting to hear from anybody else with tips for landing! Cheers, Felix Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=227672#227672 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 07:42:18 AM PST US From: "rick" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Bouncing Mono Classic Jeez Justin Don't try that on my 300 metre strip with no wind and at gross! Rick Morris G-RIKS 912S Tri 500 hours. _____ From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Justin Kennedy Sent: 30 January 2009 14:43 Subject: Europa-List: Bouncing Mono Classic Hi All, Although an avid reader of this forum rarely feel that I have something that would contribute to the body of knowledge when you guys are so on top of what you are doing. However =93bouncing mono classics=94 was something that I was good at until it cost me a propeller (no change out of =A31000). My mono classic has the shock absorbers and the narrow tyre that never rubs. It also has the brake calliper rotated to the back. I run the Type at 18 to 24 psi. After much deliberation and practice I get a slight skip 50% of the time and grease it on about 45% of the time. The other 5% include =93go arounds=94 and ones I would call =93untidy=94. This is a huge improvement on my original tally. The main thing is that I am now 95% confident on the approach and enjoy the fact that it is unlikely to cost me another propeller and if it does I will deserve it. While I agree with everything people have said, the speed over the threshold and landing is very, very critical. I talked to many an instructor and I am very grateful to the one that came up with the following. The speed on the round out should decay through =93the stall speed plus 10% plus half the wind speed. I then add 10 kts to give the threshold speed. My stall speed is 42Kts with full flaps, add 10% to give 47kts (that=92s rounded up =BD a knot) and say, for example, a ten knot head wind component gives 52kts. Add ten knots to that and I should come over the threshold with the speed decaying through 62kts. I normally come down the approach at 70kts more if it is needed. I let the speed decay the over the threshold at the calculated speed. At this point I remove the remaining throttle slowly so that the round out is slightly less violent. Sudden removal of all throttle requires a pronounced round out which makes the timing of the manoeuvre very critical. Smooth removal of throttle removes the need to round out so quickly. Round out too quickly you don=92t get the high rate of sink required to sink through the ground effect with unfortunate consequences. Wow that sounds really complicated but it is how I arrived at an easy relationship with my aeroplane. So when the controller gives me the wind speed, I think 47+ the half the wind speed or it=92s head on component if it is very crosswind. Add 10 kts and that=92s what I am aiming to be decaying through when I cross the threshold. (I add a PUF check here (Pitch ' Undercarriage ' Flap) After that it is just practice. I used it in anger landing at Calais one day with a 35kt wind and it resulted in an absolute greaser. In actual fact the =93no wind=94 situation is more difficult and the formula works for that too. I apologise if all this speed stuff is common knowledge but it wasn=92t mentioned in any of the posts on the subject. Happy Landings Justin Justin Kennedy G-ZTED Europa Classic Monowheel 912S with Airmaster Prop "http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List"http://www.matronics.com/ Nav igator?Europa-List "http://forums.matronics.com"http://forums.matronics.com "http://www.matronics.com/contribution"http://www.matronics.com/contribut ion 7.5.552 / Checked by AVG. 30/01/2009 07:37 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 08:14:26 AM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: Instrument module access cover From: Paul McAllister Hi Ron, I put one in the curved area and it has proved very helpful. I also have two access panels in my firewall. I was concerned about negatively impacting the strength of this area so I reviewed the size, location and radius of the corners of these access panels with Andy. Andy didn't do any formal analysis or mod approval, it was more of a "that looks about right" kind of analysis. Let me know if you want to know more information and I can run out to the hanger and measure it up. Paul ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 10:06:12 AM PST US From: Graham Singleton Subject: Re: Europa-List: Bouncing Mono Classic Justin Kennedy wrote: > > I used it in anger landing at Calais one day with a 35kt wind and it > resulted in an absolute greaser. In actual fact the no wind > situation is more difficult and the formula works for that too. > > I apologise if all this speed stuff is common knowledge but it wasnt > mentioned in any of the posts on the subject. > > Happy Landings > > Justin > > Justin Kennedy > > G-ZTED Europa Classic Monowheel 912S with Airmaster Prop > Justin you also mentioned using a little throttle on finals which I forgot about. The sink rate is quite high with throttle closed so I would leave power on until after round out. One less thing to think of during the flare ;-) ? Graham ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 10:55:39 AM PST US From: "G-IANI" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Instrument module access cover Mine covers the access to the serial connectors for attaching a computer to various items. Picture attached Ian Rickard G-IANI XS Trigear, 200 hours Europa Club Mods Rep (Trigear) e-mail mods@europaclub.org.uk or direct g-iani@ntlworld.com ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 12:55:54 PM PST US From: "Robert C Harrison" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Instrument module access cover Hi! Raimo. I have to somehow change my radio stack to accommodate my Mode S Transponder and since it is the top unit it is out of sight from the engine side of my FWF removable panel. I expect that I will cut out a sizeable panel, construct some flanges and make such a flap removable since my panel is not removable. I don't consider the Europa Panel to be a structural item anyway and provided such cut out is re-enforced I don't see a problem. Regards Bob Harrison G-PTAG PS if Steve Hagar is reading this his reply re:- fuses in such a place concerns me that he can access the fuses from the P1 position if he has to change one in flight? Bob H -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Raimo Toivio Sent: 30 January 2009 09:52 Subject: Re: Europa-List: Instrument module access cover Strange! I have not but desided to do and it was just yesterday! That is because I need access behind the radiorack and also because my warning buzzers (stall and gear) are there I cannot hear them loud enough. I am going to do a net covered acces hole and large enough for my hand. Raimo OH-XRT ----- Original Message ----- From: rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us Sent: Friday, January 30, 2009 3:37 AM Subject: Europa-List: Instrument module access cover Hi Group Has anyone installed an instrument module access cover just to the left of the tray on the curved vertical portion? Any pictures / description what you did? Thx. Ron Parigoris href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List">http://www.matronh ref="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 09:35:45 PM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: Instrument module access cover From: rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us Hi Paul "Let me know if you want to know more information and I can run out to the hanger and measure it up. " Please do! Thx. 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