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Wed 02/04/09


Total Messages Posted: 18



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     1. 12:09 AM - Re: Grand Rapids EIS Problem (Rowland Carson)
     2. 02:18 AM - Re: More testing videos (Greg Fuchs)
     3. 10:19 AM - Re;- Trial Flight - UK Owners (G-IANI)
     4. 10:35 AM - GPS NMEA data transfer to the autopilot (Raimo Toivio)
     5. 10:50 AM - Re: GPS NMEA data transfer to the autopilot (Pete Lawless)
     6. 11:29 AM - Re: GPS NMEA data transfer to the autopilot (Raimo Toivio)
     7. 11:31 AM - Re: GPS NMEA data transfer to the autopilot (JEFF ROBERTS)
     8. 12:05 PM - Re: GPS NMEA data transfer to the autopilot (Raimo Toivio)
     9. 12:43 PM - Re: GPS NMEA data transfer to the autopilot (JEFF ROBERTS)
    10. 01:10 PM - Re: Re;- Trial Flight - UK Owners (Robert C Harrison)
    11. 01:11 PM - Re: GPS NMEA data transfer to the autopilot (Pete Lawless)
    12. 01:41 PM - Re: GPS NMEA data transfer to the autopilot (Raimo Toivio)
    13. 02:07 PM - Re: GPS NMEA data transfer to the autopilot (Raimo Toivio)
    14. 05:03 PM - Re: Wing Walk Tape (Troy Maynor)
    15. 05:40 PM - Re: Re: Wing Walk Tape (Fred Klein)
    16. 07:20 PM - First Flight Kit #A221 - N914XL (Robert Borger)
    17. 07:49 PM - Re: First Flight Kit #A221 - N914XL (rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us)
    18. 11:21 PM - Re: First Flight Kit #A221 - N914XL (Fred Klein)
 
 
 


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    Time: 12:09:26 AM PST US
    From: Rowland Carson <rowil@clara.net>
    Subject: Re: Grand Rapids EIS Problem
    At 2009-02-03 20:51 -0600 Martin Tuck wrote: >Upon closer inspection I found that the earth connector and wire was >being held together by the heatshrink tube and some flexing >indicated a fracture - caused by vibration no doubt - although I am >surprised at that. > >Anyhow, all is soldered up Martin - it sounds as though the solder joint was the cause of the fracture. That's why crimps are preferred for most aircraft wiring terminations. If you have to make a solder joint, it needs to be supported well back along the insulation. This is because the solder "wicks" along the wire back from the joint and thus makes it inflexible. The usual point of failure is at the interface between the solder-stiffened length and the original flexible state, and this can be a surprisingly long way from the termination. As you've found, heatshrink is not enough support, it really needs to be secured for some length onto something rigidly attached to the thing it's soldered onto. regards Rowland -- | Rowland Carson LAA #16532 http://home.clara.net/rowil/aviation/ | 1180 hours building Europa #435 G-ROWI e-mail <rowil@clara.net>


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    Time: 02:18:15 AM PST US
    From: "Greg Fuchs " <gregoryf.flyboy@comcast.net>
    Subject: More testing videos
    LOVE all the Europa videos on youtube. Wish there were more. DO NOT ARCHIVE


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    Time: 10:19:13 AM PST US
    From: "G-IANI" <g-iani@ntlworld.com>
    Subject: Re;- Trial Flight - UK Owners
    The Factory has a serious buyer who would like a trial flight and possibly to talk to a local builder. John would like to arrange this as soon as possible but the buyer is aware that the weather will largely dictate when this takes place. He is located at Milton Kenyes. Can anyone, located near to his home, offer to do this? If so please contact me on 01483 714096 or talk to John Wheeler at the Factory. Ian Rickard G-IANI XS Trigear, 200 hours Europa Club Mods Rep (Trigear) e-mail mods@europaclub.org.uk or direct g-iani@ntlworld.com


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    Time: 10:35:41 AM PST US
    From: "Raimo Toivio" <raimo.toivio@rwm.fi>
    Subject: GPS NMEA data transfer to the autopilot
    All who have been there I am just now connecting my autopilot (Trio) to GPS (Garmin 296). Doing it in a hangar - no seenable satellites. Question: when GPS is in a simulation mode, is there NMEA 0183 data out then? I have tried data out 1 /violet wire /com 1 and data out 2 /blue wire /com 2 but "No GPS" message in autopilots display. Tried also all the possible NMEA "advanced settings". Any ideas? Should I find an oscilloscope? Cannot go out to find real satellites... Thanks, Raimo OH-XRT


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    Time: 10:50:31 AM PST US
    From: "Pete Lawless" <pete@lawless.info>
    Subject: GPS NMEA data transfer to the autopilot
    Hi Raimo There is non from my 496 in simulation mode so I would assume the 296 is the same. Pete -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Raimo Toivio Sent: 04 February 2009 18:35 Subject: Europa-List: GPS NMEA data transfer to the autopilot All who have been there I am just now connecting my autopilot (Trio) to GPS (Garmin 296). Doing it in a hangar - no seenable satellites. Question: when GPS is in a simulation mode, is there NMEA 0183 data out then? I have tried data out 1 /violet wire /com 1 and data out 2 /blue wire /com 2 but "No GPS" message in autopilots display. Tried also all the possible NMEA "advanced settings". Any ideas? Should I find an oscilloscope? Cannot go out to find real satellites... Thanks, Raimo OH-XRT -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean.


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    Time: 11:29:31 AM PST US
    From: "Raimo Toivio" <raimo.toivio@rwm.fi>
    Subject: Re: GPS NMEA data transfer to the autopilot
    Pete, thats good to know, thanks. Strange why there is not? I have to obviously find an external antenna with 30 feet cabel to see real satellites and test NMEA trafic. ***What about Garmin NMEA then when GPS unit is not moving actually any knots? For example King KLN-XX models will not output a valid data link signal until a certain groundspeed has been attained. Wanna be sure about my connections before closing my panel. It has been said many times but again: this forum is great. And fast! Raimo ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pete Lawless" <pete@lawless.info> Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2009 8:49 PM Subject: RE: Europa-List: GPS NMEA data transfer to the autopilot Hi Raimo There is non from my 496 in simulation mode so I would assume the 296 is the same. Pete -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Raimo Toivio Sent: 04 February 2009 18:35 Subject: Europa-List: GPS NMEA data transfer to the autopilot All who have been there I am just now connecting my autopilot (Trio) to GPS (Garmin 296). Doing it in a hangar - no seenable satellites. Question: when GPS is in a simulation mode, is there NMEA 0183 data out then? I have tried data out 1 /violet wire /com 1 and data out 2 /blue wire /com 2 but "No GPS" message in autopilots display. Tried also all the possible NMEA "advanced settings". Any ideas? Should I find an oscilloscope? Cannot go out to find real satellites... Thanks, Raimo OH-XRT -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean.


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    Time: 11:31:56 AM PST US
    From: JEFF ROBERTS <jeff@rmmm.net>
    Subject: Re: GPS NMEA data transfer to the autopilot
    Ramio, You will need a satellite signal to test it. Mine wouldn't work with the GPS in it's simulation mode. I too have a trio and it works great but... I had a lot of intermittent trouble of losing the GPS NMEA output signal. After changing out the head of the autopilot and the GPS and all the wiring and flying without it for months it became apparent that I needed a ground. The instructions said if your GPS power is coming from the plane then you didn't need the ground for the auto pilot signal. But I think they we're just so use to putting these things in metal planes. Anyway I take my signal from an av-map 4 so it's NMEA out was a yellow wire only. Once I ran a signal ground everything worked perfectly. Get it working because the product is a very good and the support from them is even better. Jeff R. A258 - N128LJ / Gold Rush 176 hours and climbing slowly. Down for annual and mods. On Feb 4, 2009, at 12:34 PM, Raimo Toivio wrote: > > All who have been there > > I am just now connecting my autopilot (Trio) to GPS (Garmin 296). > Doing it in a hangar - no seenable satellites. > > Question: when GPS is in a simulation mode, is there NMEA 0183 data > out then? > > I have tried data out 1 /violet wire /com 1 and data out 2 /blue wire > /com 2 but "No GPS" message in autopilots display. Tried also all the > possible NMEA "advanced settings". > > Any ideas? Should I find an oscilloscope? Cannot go out to find real > satellites... > > Thanks, Raimo > OH-XRT > >


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    Time: 12:05:09 PM PST US
    From: "Raimo Toivio" <raimo.toivio@rwm.fi>
    Subject: Re: GPS NMEA data transfer to the autopilot
    Jeff, thanks for support! Do you remember did you connect Trios pin 8 which is black and twisted with green (pin 7) to the plane ground or to the GPS Data In TXD or both? This question is really confusing also me. As you said Trios support is great but they cannot help me because they have a wrong (old) wiring diagram for Garmin 296. Obviously 296 is only Garmin model using violet wire to the NMEA output - all the other use blue one they say. Raimo My plane looks now like it has never been airborne (and never will) ;((( ----- Original Message ----- From: "JEFF ROBERTS" <jeff@rmmm.net> Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2009 9:30 PM Subject: Re: Europa-List: GPS NMEA data transfer to the autopilot Ramio, You will need a satellite signal to test it. Mine wouldn't work with the GPS in it's simulation mode. I too have a trio and it works great but... I had a lot of intermittent trouble of losing the GPS NMEA output signal. After changing out the head of the autopilot and the GPS and all the wiring and flying without it for months it became apparent that I needed a ground. The instructions said if your GPS power is coming from the plane then you didn't need the ground for the auto pilot signal. But I think they we're just so use to putting these things in metal planes. Anyway I take my signal from an av-map 4 so it's NMEA out was a yellow wire only. Once I ran a signal ground everything worked perfectly. Get it working because the product is a very good and the support from them is even better. Jeff R. A258 - N128LJ / Gold Rush 176 hours and climbing slowly. Down for annual and mods. On Feb 4, 2009, at 12:34 PM, Raimo Toivio wrote: > > All who have been there > > I am just now connecting my autopilot (Trio) to GPS (Garmin 296). > Doing it in a hangar - no seenable satellites. > > Question: when GPS is in a simulation mode, is there NMEA 0183 data > out then? > > I have tried data out 1 /violet wire /com 1 and data out 2 /blue wire > /com 2 but "No GPS" message in autopilots display. Tried also all the > possible NMEA "advanced settings". > > Any ideas? Should I find an oscilloscope? Cannot go out to find real > satellites... > > Thanks, Raimo > OH-XRT > >


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    Time: 12:43:14 PM PST US
    From: JEFF ROBERTS <jeff@rmmm.net>
    Subject: Re: GPS NMEA data transfer to the autopilot
    Raimo, I used my navaid servo so I had a harness to wire to but the same data eventually goes to the same pin on the trio head. My notes say that the GPS or NMEA out signal is to go into pin 7 on the head. The ground coming from the GPS is to go to a ground then to the black wire only and it goes to pin 10 on the trio head. The servo ground goes to pin 9 on the head as they are separate. I see nothing about twisting two wires together or using pin 8. I'm assuming you have the wiring harness from trio that has the head connector wired but the other end is the exposed wires right? Jeff R. A258 - N128LJ / Gold Rush 176 hours and climbing slowly. On Feb 4, 2009, at 2:07 PM, Raimo Toivio wrote: > > Jeff, thanks for support! > > Do you remember did you connect Trios pin 8 which is black and > twisted with green (pin 7) to the plane ground or to the GPS Data In > TXD or both? This question is really confusing also me. > > As you said Trios support is great but they cannot help me because > they have a wrong (old) wiring diagram for Garmin 296. Obviously 296 > is only Garmin model using violet wire to the NMEA output - all the > other use blue one they say. > > Raimo > > My plane looks now like it has never been airborne (and never will) > ;((( > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "JEFF ROBERTS" <jeff@rmmm.net> > To: <europa-list@matronics.com> > Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2009 9:30 PM > Subject: Re: Europa-List: GPS NMEA data transfer to the autopilot > > > > Ramio, > You will need a satellite signal to test it. Mine wouldn't work with > the GPS in it's simulation mode. I too have a trio and it works great > but... I had a lot of intermittent trouble of losing the GPS NMEA > output signal. After changing out the head of the autopilot and the GPS > and all the wiring and flying without it for months it became apparent > that I needed a ground. The instructions said if your GPS power is > coming from the plane then you didn't need the ground for the auto > pilot signal. But I think they we're just so use to putting these > things in metal planes. > Anyway I take my signal from an av-map 4 so it's NMEA out was a yellow > wire only. Once I ran a signal ground everything worked perfectly. > Get it working because the product is a very good and the support from > them is even better. > > Jeff R. > A258 - N128LJ / Gold Rush 176 hours and climbing slowly. Down for > annual and mods. > > On Feb 4, 2009, at 12:34 PM, Raimo Toivio wrote: > >> <raimo.toivio@rwm.fi> >> >> All who have been there >> >> I am just now connecting my autopilot (Trio) to GPS (Garmin 296). >> Doing it in a hangar - no seenable satellites. >> >> Question: when GPS is in a simulation mode, is there NMEA 0183 data >> out then? >> >> I have tried data out 1 /violet wire /com 1 and data out 2 /blue wire >> /com 2 but "No GPS" message in autopilots display. Tried also all the >> possible NMEA "advanced settings". >> >> Any ideas? Should I find an oscilloscope? Cannot go out to find real >> satellites... >> >> Thanks, Raimo >> OH-XRT >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >


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    Time: 01:10:14 PM PST US
    From: "Robert C Harrison" <ptag.dev@tiscali.co.uk>
    Subject: Re;- Trial Flight - UK Owners
    A week ago he would have been welcome to Wickenby but I've grounded for a couple of months to fit Mode S. Let me know if you aren't fixed up by then,. Regards Bob H -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of G-IANI Sent: 04 February 2009 18:15 Subject: Europa-List: Re;- Trial Flight - UK Owners The Factory has a serious buyer who would like a trial flight and possibly to talk to a local builder. John would like to arrange this as soon as possible but the buyer is aware that the weather will largely dictate when this takes place. He is located at Milton Kenyes. Can anyone, located near to his home, offer to do this? If so please contact me on 01483 714096 or talk to John Wheeler at the Factory. Ian Rickard G-IANI XS Trigear, 200 hours Europa Club Mods Rep (Trigear) e-mail mods@europaclub.org.uk or direct g-iani@ntlworld.com


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    Time: 01:11:03 PM PST US
    From: "Pete Lawless" <pete@lawless.info>
    Subject: GPS NMEA data transfer to the autopilot
    Raimo The 496 feed is there all the time when it has a valid signal. The over a speed bit is only for recording airborne time on Garmin as far as I am aware. Why no feed in simulation mode? Well suppose the autopilot followed a simulated signal? There are plenty of people out there who are stupid enough to sit and let it! Regards Pete -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Raimo Toivio Sent: 04 February 2009 19:32 Subject: Re: Europa-List: GPS NMEA data transfer to the autopilot Pete, thats good to know, thanks. Strange why there is not? I have to obviously find an external antenna with 30 feet cabel to see real satellites and test NMEA trafic. ***What about Garmin NMEA then when GPS unit is not moving actually any knots? For example King KLN-XX models will not output a valid data link signal until a certain groundspeed has been attained. Wanna be sure about my connections before closing my panel. It has been said many times but again: this forum is great. And fast! Raimo ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pete Lawless" <pete@lawless.info> Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2009 8:49 PM Subject: RE: Europa-List: GPS NMEA data transfer to the autopilot Hi Raimo There is non from my 496 in simulation mode so I would assume the 296 is the same. Pete -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Raimo Toivio Sent: 04 February 2009 18:35 Subject: Europa-List: GPS NMEA data transfer to the autopilot All who have been there I am just now connecting my autopilot (Trio) to GPS (Garmin 296). Doing it in a hangar - no seenable satellites. Question: when GPS is in a simulation mode, is there NMEA 0183 data out then? I have tried data out 1 /violet wire /com 1 and data out 2 /blue wire /com 2 but "No GPS" message in autopilots display. Tried also all the possible NMEA "advanced settings". Any ideas? Should I find an oscilloscope? Cannot go out to find real satellites... Thanks, Raimo OH-XRT -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by Houxou, and is believed to be clean.


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    Time: 01:41:58 PM PST US
    From: "Raimo Toivio" <raimo.toivio@rwm.fi>
    Subject: Re: GPS NMEA data transfer to the autopilot
    OK Pete, Now I have a road to go further in this adventure, thanks! "Why no feed in simulation mode? Well suppose the autopilot followed a simulated signal? There are plenty of people out there who are stupid enough to sit and let it!" But there is a warning " do not use simulation mode for navigation purposes"... Raimo ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pete Lawless" <pete@lawless.info> Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2009 11:10 PM Subject: RE: Europa-List: GPS NMEA data transfer to the autopilot Raimo The 496 feed is there all the time when it has a valid signal. The over a speed bit is only for recording airborne time on Garmin as far as I am aware. Why no feed in simulation mode? Well suppose the autopilot followed a simulated signal? There are plenty of people out there who are stupid enough to sit and let it! Regards Pete -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Raimo Toivio Sent: 04 February 2009 19:32 Subject: Re: Europa-List: GPS NMEA data transfer to the autopilot Pete, thats good to know, thanks. Strange why there is not? I have to obviously find an external antenna with 30 feet cabel to see real satellites and test NMEA trafic. ***What about Garmin NMEA then when GPS unit is not moving actually any knots? For example King KLN-XX models will not output a valid data link signal until a certain groundspeed has been attained. Wanna be sure about my connections before closing my panel. It has been said many times but again: this forum is great. And fast! Raimo ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pete Lawless" <pete@lawless.info> Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2009 8:49 PM Subject: RE: Europa-List: GPS NMEA data transfer to the autopilot Hi Raimo There is non from my 496 in simulation mode so I would assume the 296 is the same. Pete -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Raimo Toivio Sent: 04 February 2009 18:35 Subject: Europa-List: GPS NMEA data transfer to the autopilot All who have been there I am just now connecting my autopilot (Trio) to GPS (Garmin 296). Doing it in a hangar - no seenable satellites. Question: when GPS is in a simulation mode, is there NMEA 0183 data out then? I have tried data out 1 /violet wire /com 1 and data out 2 /blue wire /com 2 but "No GPS" message in autopilots display. Tried also all the possible NMEA "advanced settings". Any ideas? Should I find an oscilloscope? Cannot go out to find real satellites... Thanks, Raimo OH-XRT -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by Houxou, and is believed to be clean.


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    Time: 02:07:50 PM PST US
    From: "Raimo Toivio" <raimo.toivio@rwm.fi>
    Subject: Re: GPS NMEA data transfer to the autopilot
    Jeff "I'm assuming you have the wiring harness from trio that has the head connector wired but the other end is the exposed wires right?" Yes I have and in my Trio wiring diagram pin 10 is for servo cables shield, not for GPS ground. Servo ground is pin 9 like yours. They are also connected together in the servo connector. Gold servo and Navaid servo diagrams are same when looking connector J1. Servo connector diagrams are different: Navaid has three and Gold has four but green one is unconnected. NMEA out to pin 7 like you wrote. GPS data ground to pin 8. I assume "GPS data ground" is same as Garmins GPS data in TXD? I hope I had problems only because I assumed (Garmin) GPS simulation mode is ok for testing NMEA. Thanks, Raimo (who said this should be easy for "a man in the deep forest") ----- Original Message ----- From: "JEFF ROBERTS" <jeff@rmmm.net> Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2009 10:41 PM Subject: Re: Europa-List: GPS NMEA data transfer to the autopilot Raimo, I used my navaid servo so I had a harness to wire to but the same data eventually goes to the same pin on the trio head. My notes say that the GPS or NMEA out signal is to go into pin 7 on the head. The ground coming from the GPS is to go to a ground then to the black wire only and it goes to pin 10 on the trio head. The servo ground goes to pin 9 on the head as they are separate. I see nothing about twisting two wires together or using pin 8. I'm assuming you have the wiring harness from trio that has the head connector wired but the other end is the exposed wires right? Jeff R. A258 - N128LJ / Gold Rush 176 hours and climbing slowly. On Feb 4, 2009, at 2:07 PM, Raimo Toivio wrote: > > Jeff, thanks for support! > > Do you remember did you connect Trios pin 8 which is black and > twisted with green (pin 7) to the plane ground or to the GPS Data In > TXD or both? This question is really confusing also me. > > As you said Trios support is great but they cannot help me because > they have a wrong (old) wiring diagram for Garmin 296. Obviously 296 > is only Garmin model using violet wire to the NMEA output - all the > other use blue one they say. > > Raimo > > My plane looks now like it has never been airborne (and never will) > ;((( > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "JEFF ROBERTS" <jeff@rmmm.net> > To: <europa-list@matronics.com> > Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2009 9:30 PM > Subject: Re: Europa-List: GPS NMEA data transfer to the autopilot > > > > Ramio, > You will need a satellite signal to test it. Mine wouldn't work with > the GPS in it's simulation mode. I too have a trio and it works great > but... I had a lot of intermittent trouble of losing the GPS NMEA > output signal. After changing out the head of the autopilot and the GPS > and all the wiring and flying without it for months it became apparent > that I needed a ground. The instructions said if your GPS power is > coming from the plane then you didn't need the ground for the auto > pilot signal. But I think they we're just so use to putting these > things in metal planes. > Anyway I take my signal from an av-map 4 so it's NMEA out was a yellow > wire only. Once I ran a signal ground everything worked perfectly. > Get it working because the product is a very good and the support from > them is even better. > > Jeff R. > A258 - N128LJ / Gold Rush 176 hours and climbing slowly. Down for > annual and mods. > > On Feb 4, 2009, at 12:34 PM, Raimo Toivio wrote: > >> <raimo.toivio@rwm.fi> >> >> All who have been there >> >> I am just now connecting my autopilot (Trio) to GPS (Garmin 296). >> Doing it in a hangar - no seenable satellites. >> >> Question: when GPS is in a simulation mode, is there NMEA 0183 data >> out then? >> >> I have tried data out 1 /violet wire /com 1 and data out 2 /blue wire >> /com 2 but "No GPS" message in autopilots display. Tried also all the >> possible NMEA "advanced settings". >> >> Any ideas? Should I find an oscilloscope? Cannot go out to find real >> satellites... >> >> Thanks, Raimo >> OH-XRT >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >


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    Time: 05:03:24 PM PST US
    From: "Troy Maynor" <wingnut54@charter.net>
    Subject: Re: Wing Walk Tape
    All, Thanks for all the great ideas on wing walk. NOW all I have to do is make up my mind, since they all make perfect sense. ;) Troy Maynor > ORIGINAL MESSAGE > From: "Troy Maynor" <wingnut54@charter.net> > Subject: Europa-List: Wing Walk Tape > Hey Fellow Europa Folks, > Hope all are flying or building well. Question: for you that have put > wing walk on, how wide a path is best up the wing? ACS sell some that is > clear and is 16" x 30" and another variety that comes in 6" or 12" wide, > sold by the lineal foot. I was thinking of buying one of the 16" x 30" > and splitting it down the middle to do both wings. I think the clear or > translucent would be preferable to white or black. White would most > likely not be the matching shade to the white on the plane and black > would cook the wing. Thoughts? > Troy Maynor >


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    Time: 05:40:10 PM PST US
    From: Fred Klein <fklein@orcasonline.com>
    Subject: Re: Wing Walk Tape
    On Feb 4, 2009, at 5:00 PM, Troy Maynor wrote: > NOW all I have to do is make up my mind, It beats sorting oranges...just think about it, all day long...decisions, decisions, decisions. Fred do not archive -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean.


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    Time: 07:20:10 PM PST US
    From: Robert Borger <rlborger@mac.com>
    Subject: First Flight Kit #A221 - N914XL
    My Friends, Today, 2009 02 04, at 1845 hrs CST (0045Z) Europa Kit #A221 registered in the U.S.A. as N914XL took to flight for the first time from Denton County Municipal Airport (KDTO), Denton, Texas. N914XL was piloted most ably by Gary Platner, one of the finest pilots known by the builder. Mr. Platner flew the aircraft for 15 minutes overhead the airport performing a series of control tests as well as stalls gear/ flaps up and gear/flaps down. The stalls broke straight ahead with no tendency to fall off to either side and the aircraft was in proper trim at all speeds tested (up to 130 kts indicated). Winds were from 150D at 5 kts gusting to 8 kts, temperature was 55F (13C), altimeter setting 29.87. The sun set before the builder was able to fly. I expect that I shall make my own first flight this weekend. Pics and videos of the first flight will be posted as soon as possible. As they say in Texas "YEEEEEEEEE HAAAWWWWWWW!) Check six, Bob Borger Europa Kit #A221 N914XL, XS Mono, Intercooled 914, Airmaster C/S http://www.europaowners.org/N914XL Now Flying! 3705 Lynchburg Dr. Corinth, TX 76208 Home: 940-497-2123 Cel: 817-992-1117


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    Time: 07:49:30 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: First Flight Kit #A221 - N914XL
    From: rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us
    Hi Bob "Today, 2009 02 04, at 1845 hrs CST (0045Z) Europa Kit #A221 registered > in the U.S.A. as N914XL took to flight for the first time from Denton > County Municipal Airport (KDTO), Denton, Texas." CONGRATULATIONS! Ron Parigoris


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    Time: 11:21:55 PM PST US
    From: Fred Klein <fklein@orcasonline.com>
    Subject: Re: First Flight Kit #A221 - N914XL
    A very hearty Congratulations Bob! Just yesterday I was perusing your build albums...you've really done a wonderful...and thorough...job. Now the real fun begins...I am quite envious. Happy landings,j Fred A194 On Feb 4, 2009, at 7:18 PM, Robert Borger wrote: > > My Friends, > > Today, 2009 02 04, at 1845 hrs CST (0045Z) Europa Kit #A221 > registered in the U.S.A. as N914XL took to flight for the first time > from Denton County Municipal Airport (KDTO), Denton, Texas. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean.




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