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1. 02:00 AM - Re: First Flight Kit #A221 - N914XL (JR Gowing)
2. 02:17 AM - Re: First Flight Kit #A221 - N914XL ()
3. 02:25 AM - Re: First Flight Kit #A221 - N914XL (Raimo Toivio)
4. 02:40 AM - Re: First Flight Kit #A221 - N914XL (craig bastin)
5. 02:46 AM - FW: AIRCRAFT - PICTURES - (90204) - Salvage exercise on the frozen Hudson! (Robert C Harrison)
6. 03:09 AM - Re: First Flight Kit #A221 - N914XL (Robert C Harrison)
7. 04:49 AM - Re: Re;- Trial Flight - UK Owners (flyingphil2)
8. 07:09 AM - Re: First Flight Kit #A221 - N914XL (Jeff B)
9. 07:24 AM - Re: FW: AIRCRAFT - PICTURES - (90204) - Salvage exercise on the frozen Hudson! (rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us)
10. 07:35 AM - Re: First Flight Kit #A221 - N914XL (JEFF ROBERTS)
11. 07:48 AM - Re: First Flight Kit #A221 - N914XL (josok)
12. 07:56 AM - Re: First Flight Kit #A221 - N914XL (Jeff B)
13. 08:22 AM - Re: First Flight Kit #A221 - N914XL (JEFF ROBERTS)
14. 08:40 AM - Re: First Flight Kit #A221 - N914XL (Bob Borger)
15. 09:07 AM - Re: First Flight Kit #A221 - N914XL (Peter Zutrauen)
16. 12:38 PM - 914 - 912? (Fergus Kyle)
17. 01:19 PM - Re: Europa-List Digest: 18 Msgs - 02/04/09 (Fergus Kyle)
18. 01:49 PM - Re: Re: Europa-List Digest: 18 Msgs - 02/04/09 (Robert Borger)
19. 01:52 PM - Re: First Flight Kit #A221 - N914XL (karelvranken)
20. 03:30 PM - Re: First Flight Kit #A221 - N914XL (danbish)
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22. 05:47 PM - Europa Kits (Graham Singleton)
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Subject: | Re: First Flight Kit #A221 - N914XL |
Dear Bob
I agree with the "YEEEEEEEEE HAAAWWWWWWW!"
congratulations from
JR Bob Gowing UK Kit 327 in Oz
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "Robert Borger" <rlborger@mac.com>
Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2009 2:18 PM
Subject: Europa-List: First Flight Kit #A221 - N914XL
>
> My Friends,
>
> Today, 2009 02 04, at 1845 hrs CST (0045Z) Europa Kit #A221 registered
> in the U.S.A. as N914XL took to flight for the first time from Denton
> County Municipal Airport (KDTO), Denton, Texas. N914XL was piloted
> most ably by Gary Platner, one of the finest pilots known by the
> builder. Mr. Platner flew the aircraft for 15 minutes overhead the
> airport performing a series of control tests as well as stalls gear/
> flaps up and gear/flaps down. The stalls broke straight ahead with no
> tendency to fall off to either side and the aircraft was in proper
> trim at all speeds tested (up to 130 kts indicated).
>
> Winds were from 150D at 5 kts gusting to 8 kts, temperature was 55F
> (13C), altimeter setting 29.87.
>
> The sun set before the builder was able to fly. I expect that I shall
> make my own first flight this weekend.
>
> Pics and videos of the first flight will be posted as soon as possible.
>
> As they say in Texas "YEEEEEEEEE HAAAWWWWWWW!)
>
> Check six,
> Bob Borger
> Europa Kit #A221 N914XL, XS Mono, Intercooled 914, Airmaster C/S
> http://www.europaowners.org/N914XL
> Now Flying!
> 3705 Lynchburg Dr.
> Corinth, TX 76208
> Home: 940-497-2123
> Cel: 817-992-1117
>
>
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Subject: | Re: First Flight Kit #A221 - N914XL |
Congraulations on a job well done, now the fun will begin:-)
best wishes
Ivor
---- Robert Borger <rlborger@mac.com> wrote:
>
> My Friends,
>
> Today, 2009 02 04, at 1845 hrs CST (0045Z) Europa Kit #A221 registered
> in the U.S.A. as N914XL took to flight for the first time from Denton
> County Municipal Airport (KDTO), Denton, Texas. N914XL was piloted
> most ably by Gary Platner, one of the finest pilots known by the
> builder. Mr. Platner flew the aircraft for 15 minutes overhead the
> airport performing a series of control tests as well as stalls gear/
> flaps up and gear/flaps down. The stalls broke straight ahead with no
> tendency to fall off to either side and the aircraft was in proper
> trim at all speeds tested (up to 130 kts indicated).
>
> Winds were from 150D at 5 kts gusting to 8 kts, temperature was 55F
> (13C), altimeter setting 29.87.
>
> The sun set before the builder was able to fly. I expect that I shall
> make my own first flight this weekend.
>
> Pics and videos of the first flight will be posted as soon as possible.
>
> As they say in Texas "YEEEEEEEEE HAAAWWWWWWW!)
>
> Check six,
> Bob Borger
> Europa Kit #A221 N914XL, XS Mono, Intercooled 914, Airmaster C/S
> http://www.europaowners.org/N914XL
> Now Flying!
> 3705 Lynchburg Dr.
> Corinth, TX 76208
> Home: 940-497-2123
> Cel: 817-992-1117
>
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Subject: | Re: First Flight Kit #A221 - N914XL |
Bob,
you shouted "YEEEEEEEEE HAAAWWWWWWW!" after N914XLs first flight.
What are you going to say after your first flight???
Congratulations from Finland. Live this moment carefully through and save it. That
feeling is hard to copy later.
Raimo OH-XRT
----- Original Message -----
From: "Robert Borger" <rlborger@mac.com>
Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2009 5:18 AM
Subject: Europa-List: First Flight Kit #A221 - N914XL
>
> My Friends,
>
> Today, 2009 02 04, at 1845 hrs CST (0045Z) Europa Kit #A221 registered
> in the U.S.A. as N914XL took to flight for the first time from Denton
> County Municipal Airport (KDTO), Denton, Texas. N914XL was piloted
> most ably by Gary Platner, one of the finest pilots known by the
> builder. Mr. Platner flew the aircraft for 15 minutes overhead the
> airport performing a series of control tests as well as stalls gear/
> flaps up and gear/flaps down. The stalls broke straight ahead with no
> tendency to fall off to either side and the aircraft was in proper
> trim at all speeds tested (up to 130 kts indicated).
>
> Winds were from 150D at 5 kts gusting to 8 kts, temperature was 55F
> (13C), altimeter setting 29.87.
>
> The sun set before the builder was able to fly. I expect that I shall
> make my own first flight this weekend.
>
> Pics and videos of the first flight will be posted as soon as possible.
>
> As they say in Texas "YEEEEEEEEE HAAAWWWWWWW!)
>
> Check six,
> Bob Borger
> Europa Kit #A221 N914XL, XS Mono, Intercooled 914, Airmaster C/S
> http://www.europaowners.org/N914XL
> Now Flying!
> 3705 Lynchburg Dr.
> Corinth, TX 76208
> Home: 940-497-2123
> Cel: 817-992-1117
>
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Subject: | First Flight Kit #A221 - N914XL |
Congrats you must be very proud
craig
Kit 577
-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Robert Borger
Sent: Thursday, 5 February 2009 1:18 PM
Subject: Europa-List: First Flight Kit #A221 - N914XL
My Friends,
Today, 2009 02 04, at 1845 hrs CST (0045Z) Europa Kit #A221 registered
in the U.S.A. as N914XL took to flight for the first time from Denton
County Municipal Airport (KDTO), Denton, Texas. N914XL was piloted
most ably by Gary Platner, one of the finest pilots known by the
builder. Mr. Platner flew the aircraft for 15 minutes overhead the
airport performing a series of control tests as well as stalls gear/
flaps up and gear/flaps down. The stalls broke straight ahead with no
tendency to fall off to either side and the aircraft was in proper
trim at all speeds tested (up to 130 kts indicated).
Winds were from 150D at 5 kts gusting to 8 kts, temperature was 55F
(13C), altimeter setting 29.87.
The sun set before the builder was able to fly. I expect that I shall
make my own first flight this weekend.
Pics and videos of the first flight will be posted as soon as possible.
As they say in Texas "YEEEEEEEEE HAAAWWWWWWW!)
Check six,
Bob Borger
Europa Kit #A221 N914XL, XS Mono, Intercooled 914, Airmaster C/S
http://www.europaowners.org/N914XL
Now Flying!
3705 Lynchburg Dr.
Corinth, TX 76208
Home: 940-497-2123
Cel: 817-992-1117
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Subject: | FW: AIRCRAFT - PICTURES - (90204) - Salvage exercise on the |
frozen Hudson!
Aircraft related scoop !
-----Original Message-----
From: Stan Parr [mailto:stan.parr@btinternet.com]
Sent: 04 February 2009 22:03
Subject: AIRCRAFT - PICTURES - (90204) - Salvage exercise on the frozen
Hudson!
My thanks to Delphine for these dramatic pictures of the plane being lifted
from the Hudson River.
Pictures taken by the crane driver - note the times on the snaps! 5.22pm -
1.03am. All evening - they did well!
Aircraft List only - no sound required.
(Thanks, Delphine, get well soon..that's going some! Go steady on the "up
and running" bit! Kind regards, Stan. XX)
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Subject: | First Flight Kit #A221 - N914XL |
Well done Bob looking forward to the pics.
Bob Harrison G-PTAG Kit 337
Do not archive.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robert
Borger
Sent: 05 February 2009 03:18
Subject: Europa-List: First Flight Kit #A221 - N914XL
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Subject: | Re: Re;- Trial Flight - UK Owners |
Ian,
I've contacted John at Europa. I'm in Northampton and he's welcome to look at
my build/rebuild if he likes.
Regards,
Phil
Visit - www.EuropaOwners.org
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Subject: | Re: First Flight Kit #A221 - N914XL |
WOW! Roger... It's about time... :)
Congratulations on a job well done. The real fun begins, now...
Jeff - Baby Blue
Robert Borger wrote:
>
> My Friends,
>
> Today, 2009 02 04, at 1845 hrs CST (0045Z) Europa Kit #A221 registered
> in the U.S.A. as N914XL took to flight for the first time from Denton
> County Municipal Airport (KDTO), Denton, Texas. N914XL was piloted most
> ably by Gary Platner, one of the finest pilots known by the builder.
> Mr. Platner flew the aircraft for 15 minutes overhead the airport
> performing a series of control tests as well as stalls gear/flaps up and
> gear/flaps down. The stalls broke straight ahead with no tendency to
> fall off to either side and the aircraft was in proper trim at all
> speeds tested (up to 130 kts indicated).
>
> Winds were from 150D at 5 kts gusting to 8 kts, temperature was 55F
> (13C), altimeter setting 29.87.
>
> The sun set before the builder was able to fly. I expect that I shall
> make my own first flight this weekend.
>
> Pics and videos of the first flight will be posted as soon as possible.
>
> As they say in Texas "YEEEEEEEEE HAAAWWWWWWW!)
>
> Check six,
> Bob Borger
> Europa Kit #A221 N914XL, XS Mono, Intercooled 914, Airmaster C/S
> http://www.europaowners.org/N914XL
> Now Flying!
> 3705 Lynchburg Dr.
> Corinth, TX 76208
> Home: 940-497-2123
> Cel: 817-992-1117
>
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>
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Subject: | Re: FW: AIRCRAFT - PICTURES - (90204) - Salvage exercise |
on the frozen Hudson!
No attachments came through.
I have a sequence of the lift if
anyone wants to have a look:
http://www.europaowners.org/modules.php?set_albumName=album258&op=modload&name=gallery&file=index&include=view_album.php
It's in the album with LEDs shining on the hangar door.
Not only did theymanage to fish out plane, but must be anal as
well. Notice pic where they are cleaning off river grunge so they do not
dirty deck more than needed!
Ron Parigoris
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Subject: | Re: First Flight Kit #A221 - N914XL |
Roger,
Let us all know that feeling you have when you fly her for the first
time. I need a boost to get mine out of the add mods and annual phase!
Congratulations Roger!!!
Jeff R.
A258 - N128LJ / Gold Rush 176 hours and down for the winter annual.
On Feb 4, 2009, at 9:18 PM, Robert Borger wrote:
>
> My Friends,
>
> Today, 2009 02 04, at 1845 hrs CST (0045Z) Europa Kit #A221 registered
> in the U.S.A. as N914XL took to flight for the first time from Denton
> County Municipal Airport (KDTO), Denton, Texas. N914XL was piloted
> most ably by Gary Platner, one of the finest pilots known by the
> builder. Mr. Platner flew the aircraft for 15 minutes overhead the
> airport performing a series of control tests as well as stalls
> gear/flaps up and gear/flaps down. The stalls broke straight ahead
> with no tendency to fall off to either side and the aircraft was in
> proper trim at all speeds tested (up to 130 kts indicated).
>
> Winds were from 150D at 5 kts gusting to 8 kts, temperature was 55F
> (13C), altimeter setting 29.87.
>
> The sun set before the builder was able to fly. I expect that I shall
> make my own first flight this weekend.
>
> Pics and videos of the first flight will be posted as soon as possible.
>
> As they say in Texas "YEEEEEEEEE HAAAWWWWWWW!)
>
> Check six,
> Bob Borger
> Europa Kit #A221 N914XL, XS Mono, Intercooled 914, Airmaster C/S
> http://www.europaowners.org/N914XL
> Now Flying!
> 3705 Lynchburg Dr.
> Corinth, TX 76208
> Home: 940-497-2123
> Cel: 817-992-1117
>
>
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Subject: | Re: First Flight Kit #A221 - N914XL |
Congratulations Bob,
So nice to hear and enjoy now!
Regards,
Jos Okhuijsen
Visit - www.EuropaOwners.org
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Subject: | Re: First Flight Kit #A221 - N914XL |
No, no, it was "roger" like in roger that... :)
Sorry, must have been the long Tiger Woods golf game last night... :)
Jeff - Baby Blue
JEFF ROBERTS wrote:
>
> Roger,
> Let us all know that feeling you have when you fly her for the first
> time. I need a boost to get mine out of the add mods and annual phase!
> Congratulations Roger!!!
>
> Jeff R.
> A258 - N128LJ / Gold Rush 176 hours and down for the winter annual.
>
>
> On Feb 4, 2009, at 9:18 PM, Robert Borger wrote:
>
>>
>> My Friends,
>>
>> Today, 2009 02 04, at 1845 hrs CST (0045Z) Europa Kit #A221 registered
>> in the U.S.A. as N914XL took to flight for the first time from Denton
>> County Municipal Airport (KDTO), Denton, Texas. N914XL was piloted
>> most ably by Gary Platner, one of the finest pilots known by the
>> builder. Mr. Platner flew the aircraft for 15 minutes overhead the
>> airport performing a series of control tests as well as stalls
>> gear/flaps up and gear/flaps down. The stalls broke straight ahead
>> with no tendency to fall off to either side and the aircraft was in
>> proper trim at all speeds tested (up to 130 kts indicated).
>>
>> Winds were from 150D at 5 kts gusting to 8 kts, temperature was 55F
>> (13C), altimeter setting 29.87.
>>
>> The sun set before the builder was able to fly. I expect that I shall
>> make my own first flight this weekend.
>>
>> Pics and videos of the first flight will be posted as soon as possible.
>>
>> As they say in Texas "YEEEEEEEEE HAAAWWWWWWW!)
>>
>> Check six,
>> Bob Borger
>> Europa Kit #A221 N914XL, XS Mono, Intercooled 914, Airmaster C/S
>> http://www.europaowners.org/N914XL
>> Now Flying!
>> 3705 Lynchburg Dr.
>> Corinth, TX 76208
>> Home: 940-497-2123
>> Cel: 817-992-1117
>>
>>
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Subject: | Re: First Flight Kit #A221 - N914XL |
No no, it was my multitasking skills or lack of. I've been on the
phone, writing scripts, answering e-mails, and putting out fires all
morning! I tell you it seems I'm working twice as hard to make half as
much thru this recession!
My apologies Bob and Congratulations to you... not Roger! I have not a
clue where the roger thing came from. Toooo much stuff going on!!
Anyway let us know when you fly yourself.
Jeff R.
A258 - N128LJ / Gold Rush 176 hours and down for the annual.
On Feb 5, 2009, at 9:55 AM, Jeff B wrote:
>
> No, no, it was "roger" like in roger that... :)
>
> Sorry, must have been the long Tiger Woods golf game last night... :)
>
> Jeff - Baby Blue
>
> JEFF ROBERTS wrote:
>> Roger,
>> Let us all know that feeling you have when you fly her for the first
>> time. I need a boost to get mine out of the add mods and annual
>> phase!
>> Congratulations Roger!!!
>> Jeff R.
>> A258 - N128LJ / Gold Rush 176 hours and down for the winter annual.
>> On Feb 4, 2009, at 9:18 PM, Robert Borger wrote:
>>>
>>> My Friends,
>>>
>>> Today, 2009 02 04, at 1845 hrs CST (0045Z) Europa Kit #A221
>>> registered in the U.S.A. as N914XL took to flight for the first time
>>> from Denton County Municipal Airport (KDTO), Denton, Texas. N914XL
>>> was piloted most ably by Gary Platner, one of the finest pilots
>>> known by the builder. Mr. Platner flew the aircraft for 15 minutes
>>> overhead the airport performing a series of control tests as well as
>>> stalls gear/flaps up and gear/flaps down. The stalls broke straight
>>> ahead with no tendency to fall off to either side and the aircraft
>>> was in proper trim at all speeds tested (up to 130 kts indicated).
>>>
>>> Winds were from 150D at 5 kts gusting to 8 kts, temperature was 55F
>>> (13C), altimeter setting 29.87.
>>>
>>> The sun set before the builder was able to fly. I expect that I
>>> shall make my own first flight this weekend.
>>>
>>> Pics and videos of the first flight will be posted as soon as
>>> possible.
>>>
>>> As they say in Texas "YEEEEEEEEE HAAAWWWWWWW!)
>>>
>>> Check six,
>>> Bob Borger
>>> Europa Kit #A221 N914XL, XS Mono, Intercooled 914, Airmaster C/S
>>> http://www.europaowners.org/N914XL
>>> Now Flying!
>>> 3705 Lynchburg Dr.
>>> Corinth, TX 76208
>>> Home: 940-497-2123
>>> Cel: 817-992-1117
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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Subject: | Re: First Flight Kit #A221 - N914XL |
Phred, I mean Jeff,
No problem. I seem to get that Roger thing on a regular basis.
I hope to post video of the first flight and first landing on You Tube this evening.
If I get the pics from Tommy, I'll post some stills on Europa Owners as
well.
Will let the Forum know when all are posted and available for viewing.
Check six,
Bob
On Thursday, February 05, 2009, at 10:20AM, "JEFF ROBERTS" <jeff@rmmm.net> wrote:
>
>No no, it was my multitasking skills or lack of. I've been on the
>phone, writing scripts, answering e-mails, and putting out fires all
>morning! I tell you it seems I'm working twice as hard to make half as
>much thru this recession!
>
>My apologies Bob and Congratulations to you... not Roger! I have not a
>clue where the roger thing came from. Toooo much stuff going on!!
>Anyway let us know when you fly yourself.
>
>Jeff R.
>A258 - N128LJ / Gold Rush 176 hours and down for the annual.
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Subject: | Re: First Flight Kit #A221 - N914XL |
A Hearty Congrats Bob!
You provide yet another inspiring story to motivate my pile of parts :-)
I'm looking forward to the vids and pics! It would be great if you could
title/tag the youtube vids with "Europa" and "homebuilt" somewhere in their
name so they come up with a quick search.
Blue skies and best wishes for a snag-free fly-off.
Cheers,
Pete
A239
On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 10:18 PM, Robert Borger <rlborger@mac.com> wrote:
>
> My Friends,
>
> Today, 2009 02 04, at 1845 hrs CST (0045Z) Europa Kit #A221 registered in
> the U.S.A. as N914XL took to flight for the first time from Denton County
> Municipal Airport (KDTO), Denton, Texas. N914XL was piloted most ably by
> Gary Platner, one of the finest pilots known by the builder. Mr. Platner
> flew the aircraft for 15 minutes overhead the airport performing a series of
> control tests as well as stalls gear/flaps up and gear/flaps down. The
> stalls broke straight ahead with no tendency to fall off to either side and
> the aircraft was in proper trim at all speeds tested (up to 130 kts
> indicated).
>
> Winds were from 150D at 5 kts gusting to 8 kts, temperature was 55F (13C),
> altimeter setting 29.87.
>
> The sun set before the builder was able to fly. I expect that I shall make
> my own first flight this weekend.
>
> Pics and videos of the first flight will be posted as soon as possible.
>
> As they say in Texas "YEEEEEEEEE HAAAWWWWWWW!)
>
> Check six,
> Bob Borger
> Europa Kit #A221 N914XL, XS Mono, Intercooled 914, Airmaster C/S
> http://www.europaowners.org/N914XL
> Now Flying!
> 3705 Lynchburg Dr.
> Corinth, TX 76208
> Home: 940-497-2123
> Cel: 817-992-1117
>
>
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Cheers,
I'm not sure the 912 doesn't have the same 914 dynamo
regulator, but (914) I'm having the d@#$%^st
time attaching bottom plug with the plethora of "quick-connect" females
imbedded to receive the male counterparts. It seems there's too much play in
the design to enable every male to join inside.
If you had this symptom as well, perhaps you have a
favourite insertion method to overcome the slop? If that's the case, would
you kindly share what subterfuge you use? It might just save me one of
hundreds of provoking delays I seem to enjoy.
Please,
Ferg
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1. 12:09 AM - Re: Grand Rapids EIS Problem (Rowland Carson)
2. 02:18 AM - Re: More testing videos (Greg Fuchs)
3. 10:19 AM - Re;- Trial Flight - UK Owners (G-IANI)
4. 10:35 AM - GPS NMEA data transfer to the autopilot (Raimo Toivio)
5. 10:50 AM - Re: GPS NMEA data transfer to the autopilot (Pete
Lawless)
6. 11:29 AM - Re: GPS NMEA data transfer to the autopilot (Raimo
Toivio)
7. 11:31 AM - Re: GPS NMEA data transfer to the autopilot (JEFF
ROBERTS)
8. 12:05 PM - Re: GPS NMEA data transfer to the autopilot (Raimo
Toivio)
9. 12:43 PM - Re: GPS NMEA data transfer to the autopilot (JEFF
ROBERTS)
10. 01:10 PM - Re: Re;- Trial Flight - UK Owners (Robert C Harrison)
11. 01:11 PM - Re: GPS NMEA data transfer to the autopilot (Pete
Lawless)
12. 01:41 PM - Re: GPS NMEA data transfer to the autopilot (Raimo
Toivio)
13. 02:07 PM - Re: GPS NMEA data transfer to the autopilot (Raimo
Toivio)
14. 05:03 PM - Re: Wing Walk Tape (Troy Maynor)
15. 05:40 PM - Re: Re: Wing Walk Tape (Fred Klein)
16. 07:20 PM - First Flight Kit #A221 - N914XL (Robert Borger)
17. 07:49 PM - Re: First Flight Kit #A221 - N914XL
(rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us)
18. 11:21 PM - Re: First Flight Kit #A221 - N914XL (Fred Klein)
________________________________ Message 1
_____________________________________
Time: 12:09:26 AM PST US
From: Rowland Carson <rowil@clara.net>
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Grand Rapids EIS Problem
At 2009-02-03 20:51 -0600 Martin Tuck wrote:
>Upon closer inspection I found that the earth connector and wire was
>being held together by the heatshrink tube and some flexing
>indicated a fracture - caused by vibration no doubt - although I am
>surprised at that.
>
>Anyhow, all is soldered up
Martin - it sounds as though the solder joint was the cause of the
fracture. That's why crimps are preferred for most aircraft wiring
terminations. If you have to make a solder joint, it needs to be
supported well back along the insulation. This is because the solder
"wicks" along the wire back from the joint and thus makes it
inflexible. The usual point of failure is at the interface between
the solder-stiffened length and the original flexible state, and this
can be a surprisingly long way from the termination. As you've found,
heatshrink is not enough support, it really needs to be secured for
some length onto something rigidly attached to the thing it's
soldered onto.
regards
Rowland
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________________________________ Message 2
_____________________________________
Time: 02:18:15 AM PST US
From: "Greg Fuchs " <gregoryf.flyboy@comcast.net>
Subject: RE: Europa-List: More testing videos
LOVE all the Europa videos on youtube. Wish there were more.
DO NOT ARCHIVE
________________________________ Message 3
_____________________________________
Time: 10:19:13 AM PST US
From: "G-IANI" <g-iani@ntlworld.com>
Subject: Europa-List: Re;- Trial Flight - UK Owners
The Factory has a serious buyer who would like a trial flight and possibly
to talk to a local builder. John would like to arrange this as soon as
possible but the buyer is aware that the weather will largely dictate when
this takes place.
He is located at Milton Kenyes. Can anyone, located near to his home, offer
to do this?
If so please contact me on 01483 714096 or talk to John Wheeler at the
Factory.
Ian Rickard G-IANI XS Trigear, 200 hours
Europa Club Mods Rep (Trigear)
e-mail mods@europaclub.org.uk
or direct g-iani@ntlworld.com
________________________________ Message 4
_____________________________________
Time: 10:35:41 AM PST US
From: "Raimo Toivio" <raimo.toivio@rwm.fi>
Subject: Europa-List: GPS NMEA data transfer to the autopilot
All who have been there
I am just now connecting my autopilot (Trio) to GPS (Garmin 296).
Doing it in a hangar - no seenable satellites.
Question: when GPS is in a simulation mode, is there NMEA 0183 data out
then?
I have tried data out 1 /violet wire /com 1 and data out 2 /blue wire /com 2
but
"No GPS" message in autopilots display. Tried also all the possible NMEA
"advanced
settings".
Any ideas? Should I find an oscilloscope? Cannot go out to find real
satellites...
Thanks, Raimo
OH-XRT
________________________________ Message 5
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Time: 10:50:31 AM PST US
From: "Pete Lawless" <pete@lawless.info>
Subject: RE: Europa-List: GPS NMEA data transfer to the autopilot
Hi Raimo
There is non from my 496 in simulation mode so I would assume the 296 is the
same.
Pete
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Sent: 04 February 2009 18:35
Subject: Europa-List: GPS NMEA data transfer to the autopilot
All who have been there
I am just now connecting my autopilot (Trio) to GPS (Garmin 296).
Doing it in a hangar - no seenable satellites.
Question: when GPS is in a simulation mode, is there NMEA 0183 data out
then?
I have tried data out 1 /violet wire /com 1 and data out 2 /blue wire /com 2
but "No GPS" message in autopilots display. Tried also all the possible
NMEA "advanced settings".
Any ideas? Should I find an oscilloscope? Cannot go out to find real
satellites...
Thanks, Raimo
OH-XRT
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Time: 11:29:31 AM PST US
From: "Raimo Toivio" <raimo.toivio@rwm.fi>
Subject: Re: Europa-List: GPS NMEA data transfer to the autopilot
Pete,
thats good to know, thanks. Strange why there is not?
I have to obviously find an external antenna with 30 feet cabel to see real
satellites
and test NMEA trafic.
***What about Garmin NMEA then when GPS unit is not moving actually any
knots?
For example King KLN-XX models will not output a valid data link signal
until a
certain groundspeed has been attained.
Wanna be sure about my connections before closing my panel.
It has been said many times but again: this forum is great. And fast!
Raimo
----- Original Message -----
From: "Pete Lawless" <pete@lawless.info>
Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2009 8:49 PM
Subject: RE: Europa-List: GPS NMEA data transfer to the autopilot
Hi Raimo
There is non from my 496 in simulation mode so I would assume the 296 is the
same.
Pete
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[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Raimo Toivio
Sent: 04 February 2009 18:35
Subject: Europa-List: GPS NMEA data transfer to the autopilot
All who have been there
I am just now connecting my autopilot (Trio) to GPS (Garmin 296).
Doing it in a hangar - no seenable satellites.
Question: when GPS is in a simulation mode, is there NMEA 0183 data out
then?
I have tried data out 1 /violet wire /com 1 and data out 2 /blue wire /com 2
but "No GPS" message in autopilots display. Tried also all the possible
NMEA "advanced settings".
Any ideas? Should I find an oscilloscope? Cannot go out to find real
satellites...
Thanks, Raimo
OH-XRT
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Time: 11:31:56 AM PST US
From: JEFF ROBERTS <jeff@rmmm.net>
Subject: Re: Europa-List: GPS NMEA data transfer to the autopilot
Ramio,
You will need a satellite signal to test it. Mine wouldn't work with
the GPS in it's simulation mode. I too have a trio and it works great
but... I had a lot of intermittent trouble of losing the GPS NMEA
output signal. After changing out the head of the autopilot and the GPS
and all the wiring and flying without it for months it became apparent
that I needed a ground. The instructions said if your GPS power is
coming from the plane then you didn't need the ground for the auto
pilot signal. But I think they we're just so use to putting these
things in metal planes.
Anyway I take my signal from an av-map 4 so it's NMEA out was a yellow
wire only. Once I ran a signal ground everything worked perfectly.
Get it working because the product is a very good and the support from
them is even better.
Jeff R.
A258 - N128LJ / Gold Rush 176 hours and climbing slowly. Down for
annual and mods.
On Feb 4, 2009, at 12:34 PM, Raimo Toivio wrote:
>
> All who have been there
>
> I am just now connecting my autopilot (Trio) to GPS (Garmin 296).
> Doing it in a hangar - no seenable satellites.
>
> Question: when GPS is in a simulation mode, is there NMEA 0183 data
> out then?
>
> I have tried data out 1 /violet wire /com 1 and data out 2 /blue wire
> /com 2 but "No GPS" message in autopilots display. Tried also all the
> possible NMEA "advanced settings".
>
> Any ideas? Should I find an oscilloscope? Cannot go out to find real
> satellites...
>
> Thanks, Raimo
> OH-XRT
>
>
________________________________ Message 8
_____________________________________
Time: 12:05:09 PM PST US
From: "Raimo Toivio" <raimo.toivio@rwm.fi>
Subject: Re: Europa-List: GPS NMEA data transfer to the autopilot
Jeff, thanks for support!
Do you remember did you connect Trios pin 8 which is black and twisted with
green
(pin 7) to the plane ground or to the GPS Data In TXD or both? This question
is really confusing also me.
As you said Trios support is great but they cannot help me because they have
a
wrong (old) wiring diagram for Garmin 296. Obviously 296 is only Garmin
model
using violet wire to the NMEA output - all the other use blue one they say.
Raimo
My plane looks now like it has never been airborne (and never will) ;(((
----- Original Message -----
From: "JEFF ROBERTS" <jeff@rmmm.net>
Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2009 9:30 PM
Subject: Re: Europa-List: GPS NMEA data transfer to the autopilot
Ramio,
You will need a satellite signal to test it. Mine wouldn't work with
the GPS in it's simulation mode. I too have a trio and it works great
but... I had a lot of intermittent trouble of losing the GPS NMEA
output signal. After changing out the head of the autopilot and the GPS
and all the wiring and flying without it for months it became apparent
that I needed a ground. The instructions said if your GPS power is
coming from the plane then you didn't need the ground for the auto
pilot signal. But I think they we're just so use to putting these
things in metal planes.
Anyway I take my signal from an av-map 4 so it's NMEA out was a yellow
wire only. Once I ran a signal ground everything worked perfectly.
Get it working because the product is a very good and the support from
them is even better.
Jeff R.
A258 - N128LJ / Gold Rush 176 hours and climbing slowly. Down for
annual and mods.
On Feb 4, 2009, at 12:34 PM, Raimo Toivio wrote:
>
> All who have been there
>
> I am just now connecting my autopilot (Trio) to GPS (Garmin 296).
> Doing it in a hangar - no seenable satellites.
>
> Question: when GPS is in a simulation mode, is there NMEA 0183 data
> out then?
>
> I have tried data out 1 /violet wire /com 1 and data out 2 /blue wire
> /com 2 but "No GPS" message in autopilots display. Tried also all the
> possible NMEA "advanced settings".
>
> Any ideas? Should I find an oscilloscope? Cannot go out to find real
> satellites...
>
> Thanks, Raimo
> OH-XRT
>
>
________________________________ Message 9
_____________________________________
Time: 12:43:14 PM PST US
From: JEFF ROBERTS <jeff@rmmm.net>
Subject: Re: Europa-List: GPS NMEA data transfer to the autopilot
Raimo,
I used my navaid servo so I had a harness to wire to but the same data
eventually goes to the same pin on the trio head. My notes say that
the GPS or NMEA out signal is to go into pin 7 on the head. The ground
coming from the GPS is to go to a ground then to the black wire only
and it goes to pin 10 on the trio head. The servo ground goes to pin 9
on the head as they are separate. I see nothing about twisting two
wires together or using pin 8. I'm assuming you have the wiring harness
from trio that has the head connector wired but the other end is the
exposed wires right?
Jeff R.
A258 - N128LJ / Gold Rush 176 hours and climbing slowly.
On Feb 4, 2009, at 2:07 PM, Raimo Toivio wrote:
>
> Jeff, thanks for support!
>
> Do you remember did you connect Trios pin 8 which is black and
> twisted with green (pin 7) to the plane ground or to the GPS Data In
> TXD or both? This question is really confusing also me.
>
> As you said Trios support is great but they cannot help me because
> they have a wrong (old) wiring diagram for Garmin 296. Obviously 296
> is only Garmin model using violet wire to the NMEA output - all the
> other use blue one they say.
>
> Raimo
>
> My plane looks now like it has never been airborne (and never will)
> ;(((
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "JEFF ROBERTS" <jeff@rmmm.net>
> To: <europa-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2009 9:30 PM
> Subject: Re: Europa-List: GPS NMEA data transfer to the autopilot
>
>
> Ramio,
> You will need a satellite signal to test it. Mine wouldn't work with
> the GPS in it's simulation mode. I too have a trio and it works great
> but... I had a lot of intermittent trouble of losing the GPS NMEA
> output signal. After changing out the head of the autopilot and the GPS
> and all the wiring and flying without it for months it became apparent
> that I needed a ground. The instructions said if your GPS power is
> coming from the plane then you didn't need the ground for the auto
> pilot signal. But I think they we're just so use to putting these
> things in metal planes.
> Anyway I take my signal from an av-map 4 so it's NMEA out was a yellow
> wire only. Once I ran a signal ground everything worked perfectly.
> Get it working because the product is a very good and the support from
> them is even better.
>
> Jeff R.
> A258 - N128LJ / Gold Rush 176 hours and climbing slowly. Down for
> annual and mods.
>
> On Feb 4, 2009, at 12:34 PM, Raimo Toivio wrote:
>
>> <raimo.toivio@rwm.fi>
>>
>> All who have been there
>>
>> I am just now connecting my autopilot (Trio) to GPS (Garmin 296).
>> Doing it in a hangar - no seenable satellites.
>>
>> Question: when GPS is in a simulation mode, is there NMEA 0183 data
>> out then?
>>
>> I have tried data out 1 /violet wire /com 1 and data out 2 /blue wire
>> /com 2 but "No GPS" message in autopilots display. Tried also all the
>> possible NMEA "advanced settings".
>>
>> Any ideas? Should I find an oscilloscope? Cannot go out to find real
>> satellites...
>>
>> Thanks, Raimo
>> OH-XRT
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
________________________________ Message 10
____________________________________
Time: 01:10:14 PM PST US
From: "Robert C Harrison" <ptag.dev@tiscali.co.uk>
Subject: RE: Europa-List: Re;- Trial Flight - UK Owners
A week ago he would have been welcome to Wickenby but I've grounded for
a couple of months to fit Mode S. Let me know if you aren't fixed up by
then,.
Regards
Bob H
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of G-IANI
Sent: 04 February 2009 18:15
Subject: Europa-List: Re;- Trial Flight - UK Owners
The Factory has a serious buyer who would like a trial flight and
possibly
to talk to a local builder. John would like to arrange this as soon as
possible but the buyer is aware that the weather will largely dictate
when
this takes place.
He is located at Milton Kenyes. Can anyone, located near to his home,
offer
to do this?
If so please contact me on 01483 714096 or talk to John Wheeler at the
Factory.
Ian Rickard G-IANI XS Trigear, 200 hours
Europa Club Mods Rep (Trigear)
e-mail mods@europaclub.org.uk
or direct g-iani@ntlworld.com
________________________________ Message 11
____________________________________
Time: 01:11:03 PM PST US
From: "Pete Lawless" <pete@lawless.info>
Subject: RE: Europa-List: GPS NMEA data transfer to the autopilot
Raimo
The 496 feed is there all the time when it has a valid signal. The over a
speed bit is only for recording airborne time on Garmin as far as I am
aware.
Why no feed in simulation mode? Well suppose the autopilot followed a
simulated signal? There are plenty of people out there who are stupid
enough to sit and let it!
Regards
Pete
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Raimo Toivio
Sent: 04 February 2009 19:32
Subject: Re: Europa-List: GPS NMEA data transfer to the autopilot
Pete,
thats good to know, thanks. Strange why there is not?
I have to obviously find an external antenna with 30 feet cabel to see real
satellites and test NMEA trafic.
***What about Garmin NMEA then when GPS unit is not moving actually any
knots?
For example King KLN-XX models will not output a valid data link signal
until a certain groundspeed has been attained.
Wanna be sure about my connections before closing my panel.
It has been said many times but again: this forum is great. And fast!
Raimo
----- Original Message -----
From: "Pete Lawless" <pete@lawless.info>
Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2009 8:49 PM
Subject: RE: Europa-List: GPS NMEA data transfer to the autopilot
Hi Raimo
There is non from my 496 in simulation mode so I would assume the 296 is the
same.
Pete
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Raimo Toivio
Sent: 04 February 2009 18:35
Subject: Europa-List: GPS NMEA data transfer to the autopilot
All who have been there
I am just now connecting my autopilot (Trio) to GPS (Garmin 296).
Doing it in a hangar - no seenable satellites.
Question: when GPS is in a simulation mode, is there NMEA 0183 data out
then?
I have tried data out 1 /violet wire /com 1 and data out 2 /blue wire /com 2
but "No GPS" message in autopilots display. Tried also all the possible
NMEA "advanced settings".
Any ideas? Should I find an oscilloscope? Cannot go out to find real
satellites...
Thanks, Raimo
OH-XRT
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Time: 01:41:58 PM PST US
From: "Raimo Toivio" <raimo.toivio@rwm.fi>
Subject: Re: Europa-List: GPS NMEA data transfer to the autopilot
OK Pete,
Now I have a road to go further in this adventure, thanks!
"Why no feed in simulation mode? Well suppose the autopilot followed a
simulated signal? There are plenty of people out there who are stupid
enough to sit and let it!"
But there is a warning " do not use simulation mode for navigation
purposes"...
Raimo
----- Original Message -----
From: "Pete Lawless" <pete@lawless.info>
Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2009 11:10 PM
Subject: RE: Europa-List: GPS NMEA data transfer to the autopilot
Raimo
The 496 feed is there all the time when it has a valid signal. The over a
speed bit is only for recording airborne time on Garmin as far as I am
aware.
Why no feed in simulation mode? Well suppose the autopilot followed a
simulated signal? There are plenty of people out there who are stupid
enough to sit and let it!
Regards
Pete
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Raimo Toivio
Sent: 04 February 2009 19:32
Subject: Re: Europa-List: GPS NMEA data transfer to the autopilot
Pete,
thats good to know, thanks. Strange why there is not?
I have to obviously find an external antenna with 30 feet cabel to see real
satellites and test NMEA trafic.
***What about Garmin NMEA then when GPS unit is not moving actually any
knots?
For example King KLN-XX models will not output a valid data link signal
until a certain groundspeed has been attained.
Wanna be sure about my connections before closing my panel.
It has been said many times but again: this forum is great. And fast!
Raimo
----- Original Message -----
From: "Pete Lawless" <pete@lawless.info>
Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2009 8:49 PM
Subject: RE: Europa-List: GPS NMEA data transfer to the autopilot
Hi Raimo
There is non from my 496 in simulation mode so I would assume the 296 is the
same.
Pete
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Raimo Toivio
Sent: 04 February 2009 18:35
Subject: Europa-List: GPS NMEA data transfer to the autopilot
All who have been there
I am just now connecting my autopilot (Trio) to GPS (Garmin 296).
Doing it in a hangar - no seenable satellites.
Question: when GPS is in a simulation mode, is there NMEA 0183 data out
then?
I have tried data out 1 /violet wire /com 1 and data out 2 /blue wire /com 2
but "No GPS" message in autopilots display. Tried also all the possible
NMEA "advanced settings".
Any ideas? Should I find an oscilloscope? Cannot go out to find real
satellites...
Thanks, Raimo
OH-XRT
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Time: 02:07:50 PM PST US
From: "Raimo Toivio" <raimo.toivio@rwm.fi>
Subject: Re: Europa-List: GPS NMEA data transfer to the autopilot
Jeff
"I'm assuming you have the wiring harness
from trio that has the head connector wired but the other end is the
exposed wires right?"
Yes I have and in my Trio wiring diagram pin 10 is for servo cables shield,
not for GPS ground. Servo ground is pin 9 like yours.
They are also connected together in the servo connector.
Gold servo and Navaid servo diagrams are same when looking connector J1.
Servo connector diagrams are different: Navaid has three and Gold has four
but
green one is unconnected.
NMEA out to pin 7 like you wrote.
GPS data ground to pin 8.
I assume "GPS data ground" is same as Garmins GPS data in TXD?
I hope I had problems only because I assumed (Garmin) GPS simulation mode is
ok
for testing NMEA.
Thanks, Raimo (who said this should be easy for "a man in the deep forest")
----- Original Message -----
From: "JEFF ROBERTS" <jeff@rmmm.net>
Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2009 10:41 PM
Subject: Re: Europa-List: GPS NMEA data transfer to the autopilot
Raimo,
I used my navaid servo so I had a harness to wire to but the same data
eventually goes to the same pin on the trio head. My notes say that
the GPS or NMEA out signal is to go into pin 7 on the head. The ground
coming from the GPS is to go to a ground then to the black wire only
and it goes to pin 10 on the trio head. The servo ground goes to pin 9
on the head as they are separate. I see nothing about twisting two
wires together or using pin 8. I'm assuming you have the wiring harness
from trio that has the head connector wired but the other end is the
exposed wires right?
Jeff R.
A258 - N128LJ / Gold Rush 176 hours and climbing slowly.
On Feb 4, 2009, at 2:07 PM, Raimo Toivio wrote:
>
> Jeff, thanks for support!
>
> Do you remember did you connect Trios pin 8 which is black and
> twisted with green (pin 7) to the plane ground or to the GPS Data In
> TXD or both? This question is really confusing also me.
>
> As you said Trios support is great but they cannot help me because
> they have a wrong (old) wiring diagram for Garmin 296. Obviously 296
> is only Garmin model using violet wire to the NMEA output - all the
> other use blue one they say.
>
> Raimo
>
> My plane looks now like it has never been airborne (and never will)
> ;(((
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "JEFF ROBERTS" <jeff@rmmm.net>
> To: <europa-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2009 9:30 PM
> Subject: Re: Europa-List: GPS NMEA data transfer to the autopilot
>
>
> Ramio,
> You will need a satellite signal to test it. Mine wouldn't work with
> the GPS in it's simulation mode. I too have a trio and it works great
> but... I had a lot of intermittent trouble of losing the GPS NMEA
> output signal. After changing out the head of the autopilot and the GPS
> and all the wiring and flying without it for months it became apparent
> that I needed a ground. The instructions said if your GPS power is
> coming from the plane then you didn't need the ground for the auto
> pilot signal. But I think they we're just so use to putting these
> things in metal planes.
> Anyway I take my signal from an av-map 4 so it's NMEA out was a yellow
> wire only. Once I ran a signal ground everything worked perfectly.
> Get it working because the product is a very good and the support from
> them is even better.
>
> Jeff R.
> A258 - N128LJ / Gold Rush 176 hours and climbing slowly. Down for
> annual and mods.
>
> On Feb 4, 2009, at 12:34 PM, Raimo Toivio wrote:
>
>> <raimo.toivio@rwm.fi>
>>
>> All who have been there
>>
>> I am just now connecting my autopilot (Trio) to GPS (Garmin 296).
>> Doing it in a hangar - no seenable satellites.
>>
>> Question: when GPS is in a simulation mode, is there NMEA 0183 data
>> out then?
>>
>> I have tried data out 1 /violet wire /com 1 and data out 2 /blue wire
>> /com 2 but "No GPS" message in autopilots display. Tried also all the
>> possible NMEA "advanced settings".
>>
>> Any ideas? Should I find an oscilloscope? Cannot go out to find real
>> satellites...
>>
>> Thanks, Raimo
>> OH-XRT
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
________________________________ Message 14
____________________________________
Time: 05:03:24 PM PST US
From: "Troy Maynor" <wingnut54@charter.net>
Subject: Europa-List: Re: Wing Walk Tape
All,
Thanks for all the great ideas on wing walk. NOW all I have to do is make up
my mind, since they all make perfect sense. ;)
Troy Maynor
> ORIGINAL MESSAGE
> From: "Troy Maynor" <wingnut54@charter.net>
> Subject: Europa-List: Wing Walk Tape
> Hey Fellow Europa Folks,
> Hope all are flying or building well. Question: for you that have put
> wing walk on, how wide a path is best up the wing? ACS sell some that is
> clear and is 16" x 30" and another variety that comes in 6" or 12" wide,
> sold by the lineal foot. I was thinking of buying one of the 16" x 30"
> and splitting it down the middle to do both wings. I think the clear or
> translucent would be preferable to white or black. White would most
> likely not be the matching shade to the white on the plane and black
> would cook the wing. Thoughts?
> Troy Maynor
>
________________________________ Message 15
____________________________________
Time: 05:40:10 PM PST US
From: Fred Klein <fklein@orcasonline.com>
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: Wing Walk Tape
On Feb 4, 2009, at 5:00 PM, Troy Maynor wrote:
> NOW all I have to do is make up my mind,
It beats sorting oranges...just think about it, all day
long...decisions, decisions, decisions.
Fred
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Time: 07:20:10 PM PST US
From: Robert Borger <rlborger@mac.com>
Subject: Europa-List: First Flight Kit #A221 - N914XL
My Friends,
Today, 2009 02 04, at 1845 hrs CST (0045Z) Europa Kit #A221 registered
in the U.S.A. as N914XL took to flight for the first time from Denton
County Municipal Airport (KDTO), Denton, Texas. N914XL was piloted
most ably by Gary Platner, one of the finest pilots known by the
builder. Mr. Platner flew the aircraft for 15 minutes overhead the
airport performing a series of control tests as well as stalls gear/
flaps up and gear/flaps down. The stalls broke straight ahead with no
tendency to fall off to either side and the aircraft was in proper
trim at all speeds tested (up to 130 kts indicated).
Winds were from 150D at 5 kts gusting to 8 kts, temperature was 55F
(13C), altimeter setting 29.87.
The sun set before the builder was able to fly. I expect that I shall
make my own first flight this weekend.
Pics and videos of the first flight will be posted as soon as possible.
As they say in Texas "YEEEEEEEEE HAAAWWWWWWW!)
Check six,
Bob Borger
Europa Kit #A221 N914XL, XS Mono, Intercooled 914, Airmaster C/S
http://www.europaowners.org/N914XL
Now Flying!
3705 Lynchburg Dr.
Corinth, TX 76208
Home: 940-497-2123
Cel: 817-992-1117
________________________________ Message 17
____________________________________
Time: 07:49:30 PM PST US
Subject: Re: Europa-List: First Flight Kit #A221 - N914XL
From: rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us
Hi Bob
"Today, 2009 02 04, at 1845 hrs CST (0045Z) Europa
Kit #A221 registered
> in the U.S.A. as N914XL took to flight for
the first time from Denton
> County Municipal Airport (KDTO),
Denton, Texas."
CONGRATULATIONS!
Ron
Parigoris
________________________________ Message 18
____________________________________
Time: 11:21:55 PM PST US
From: Fred Klein <fklein@orcasonline.com>
Subject: Re: Europa-List: First Flight Kit #A221 - N914XL
A very hearty Congratulations Bob! Just yesterday I was perusing your
build albums...you've really done a wonderful...and thorough...job.
Now the real fun begins...I am quite envious.
Happy landings,j
Fred
A194
On Feb 4, 2009, at 7:18 PM, Robert Borger wrote:
>
> My Friends,
>
> Today, 2009 02 04, at 1845 hrs CST (0045Z) Europa Kit #A221
> registered in the U.S.A. as N914XL took to flight for the first time
> from Denton County Municipal Airport (KDTO), Denton, Texas.
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Ferg,
Thanks!
As for the plug, make sure the female plugs are fully inserted into
the big plug. The little plugs must be fast on the big plug for them
to align properly.
Hope this helps,
Bob
Sent from my iPhone
On Feb 5, 2009, at 15:17, Fergus Kyle <VE3LVO@rac.ca> wrote:
>
> Congratulations, Bob!
> Ferg
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> 1. 12:09 AM - Re: Grand Rapids EIS Problem (Rowland Carson)
> 2. 02:18 AM - Re: More testing videos (Greg Fuchs)
> 3. 10:19 AM - Re;- Trial Flight - UK Owners (G-IANI)
> 4. 10:35 AM - GPS NMEA data transfer to the autopilot (Raimo
> Toivio)
> 5. 10:50 AM - Re: GPS NMEA data transfer to the autopilot (Pete
> Lawless)
> 6. 11:29 AM - Re: GPS NMEA data transfer to the autopilot (Raimo
> Toivio)
> 7. 11:31 AM - Re: GPS NMEA data transfer to the autopilot (JEFF
> ROBERTS)
> 8. 12:05 PM - Re: GPS NMEA data transfer to the autopilot (Raimo
> Toivio)
> 9. 12:43 PM - Re: GPS NMEA data transfer to the autopilot (JEFF
> ROBERTS)
> 10. 01:10 PM - Re: Re;- Trial Flight - UK Owners (Robert C
> Harrison)
> 11. 01:11 PM - Re: GPS NMEA data transfer to the autopilot (Pete
> Lawless)
> 12. 01:41 PM - Re: GPS NMEA data transfer to the autopilot (Raimo
> Toivio)
> 13. 02:07 PM - Re: GPS NMEA data transfer to the autopilot (Raimo
> Toivio)
> 14. 05:03 PM - Re: Wing Walk Tape (Troy Maynor)
> 15. 05:40 PM - Re: Re: Wing Walk Tape (Fred Klein)
> 16. 07:20 PM - First Flight Kit #A221 - N914XL (Robert Borger)
> 17. 07:49 PM - Re: First Flight Kit #A221 - N914XL
> (rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us)
> 18. 11:21 PM - Re: First Flight Kit #A221 - N914XL (Fred Klein)
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 1
> _____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 12:09:26 AM PST US
> From: Rowland Carson <rowil@clara.net>
> Subject: Re: Europa-List: Grand Rapids EIS Problem
>
>
> At 2009-02-03 20:51 -0600 Martin Tuck wrote:
>
>> Upon closer inspection I found that the earth connector and wire was
>> being held together by the heatshrink tube and some flexing
>> indicated a fracture - caused by vibration no doubt - although I am
>> surprised at that.
>>
>> Anyhow, all is soldered up
>
> Martin - it sounds as though the solder joint was the cause of the
> fracture. That's why crimps are preferred for most aircraft wiring
> terminations. If you have to make a solder joint, it needs to be
> supported well back along the insulation. This is because the solder
> "wicks" along the wire back from the joint and thus makes it
> inflexible. The usual point of failure is at the interface between
> the solder-stiffened length and the original flexible state, and this
> can be a surprisingly long way from the termination. As you've found,
> heatshrink is not enough support, it really needs to be secured for
> some length onto something rigidly attached to the thing it's
> soldered onto.
>
> regards
>
> Rowland
> --
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 2
> _____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 02:18:15 AM PST US
> From: "Greg Fuchs " <gregoryf.flyboy@comcast.net>
> Subject: RE: Europa-List: More testing videos
>
>
> LOVE all the Europa videos on youtube. Wish there were more.
>
> DO NOT ARCHIVE
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 3
> _____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 10:19:13 AM PST US
> From: "G-IANI" <g-iani@ntlworld.com>
> Subject: Europa-List: Re;- Trial Flight - UK Owners
>
>
> The Factory has a serious buyer who would like a trial flight and
> possibly
> to talk to a local builder. John would like to arrange this as soon
> as
> possible but the buyer is aware that the weather will largely
> dictate when
> this takes place.
>
> He is located at Milton Kenyes. Can anyone, located near to his
> home, offer
> to do this?
>
> If so please contact me on 01483 714096 or talk to John Wheeler at the
> Factory.
>
>
> Ian Rickard G-IANI XS Trigear, 200 hours
> Europa Club Mods Rep (Trigear)
> e-mail mods@europaclub.org.uk
> or direct g-iani@ntlworld.com
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 4
> _____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 10:35:41 AM PST US
> From: "Raimo Toivio" <raimo.toivio@rwm.fi>
> Subject: Europa-List: GPS NMEA data transfer to the autopilot
>
>
> All who have been there
>
> I am just now connecting my autopilot (Trio) to GPS (Garmin 296).
> Doing it in a hangar - no seenable satellites.
>
> Question: when GPS is in a simulation mode, is there NMEA 0183 data
> out
> then?
>
> I have tried data out 1 /violet wire /com 1 and data out 2 /blue
> wire /com 2
> but
> "No GPS" message in autopilots display. Tried also all the possible
> NMEA
> "advanced
> settings".
>
> Any ideas? Should I find an oscilloscope? Cannot go out to find real
> satellites...
>
> Thanks, Raimo
> OH-XRT
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 5
> _____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 10:50:31 AM PST US
> From: "Pete Lawless" <pete@lawless.info>
> Subject: RE: Europa-List: GPS NMEA data transfer to the autopilot
>
>
> Hi Raimo
>
> There is non from my 496 in simulation mode so I would assume the
> 296 is the
> same.
>
> Pete
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Raimo
> Toivio
> Sent: 04 February 2009 18:35
> Subject: Europa-List: GPS NMEA data transfer to the autopilot
>
>
> All who have been there
>
> I am just now connecting my autopilot (Trio) to GPS (Garmin 296).
> Doing it in a hangar - no seenable satellites.
>
> Question: when GPS is in a simulation mode, is there NMEA 0183 data
> out
> then?
>
> I have tried data out 1 /violet wire /com 1 and data out 2 /blue
> wire /com 2
> but "No GPS" message in autopilots display. Tried also all the
> possible
> NMEA "advanced settings".
>
> Any ideas? Should I find an oscilloscope? Cannot go out to find real
> satellites...
>
> Thanks, Raimo
> OH-XRT
>
>
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>
>
> Time: 11:29:31 AM PST US
> From: "Raimo Toivio" <raimo.toivio@rwm.fi>
> Subject: Re: Europa-List: GPS NMEA data transfer to the autopilot
>
>
> Pete,
>
> thats good to know, thanks. Strange why there is not?
>
> I have to obviously find an external antenna with 30 feet cabel to
> see real
> satellites
> and test NMEA trafic.
>
> ***What about Garmin NMEA then when GPS unit is not moving actually
> any
> knots?
>
> For example King KLN-XX models will not output a valid data link
> signal
> until a
> certain groundspeed has been attained.
>
> Wanna be sure about my connections before closing my panel.
>
> It has been said many times but again: this forum is great. And fast!
>
> Raimo
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Pete Lawless" <pete@lawless.info>
> Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2009 8:49 PM
> Subject: RE: Europa-List: GPS NMEA data transfer to the autopilot
>
>
> Hi Raimo
>
> There is non from my 496 in simulation mode so I would assume the
> 296 is the
> same.
>
> Pete
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Raimo
> Toivio
> Sent: 04 February 2009 18:35
> Subject: Europa-List: GPS NMEA data transfer to the autopilot
>
>
> All who have been there
>
> I am just now connecting my autopilot (Trio) to GPS (Garmin 296).
> Doing it in a hangar - no seenable satellites.
>
> Question: when GPS is in a simulation mode, is there NMEA 0183 data
> out
> then?
>
> I have tried data out 1 /violet wire /com 1 and data out 2 /blue
> wire /com 2
> but "No GPS" message in autopilots display. Tried also all the
> possible
> NMEA "advanced settings".
>
> Any ideas? Should I find an oscilloscope? Cannot go out to find real
> satellites...
>
> Thanks, Raimo
> OH-XRT
>
>
> --
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> ________________________________ Message 7
> _____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 11:31:56 AM PST US
> From: JEFF ROBERTS <jeff@rmmm.net>
> Subject: Re: Europa-List: GPS NMEA data transfer to the autopilot
>
>
> Ramio,
> You will need a satellite signal to test it. Mine wouldn't work with
> the GPS in it's simulation mode. I too have a trio and it works great
> but... I had a lot of intermittent trouble of losing the GPS NMEA
> output signal. After changing out the head of the autopilot and the
> GPS
> and all the wiring and flying without it for months it became apparent
> that I needed a ground. The instructions said if your GPS power is
> coming from the plane then you didn't need the ground for the auto
> pilot signal. But I think they we're just so use to putting these
> things in metal planes.
> Anyway I take my signal from an av-map 4 so it's NMEA out was a yellow
> wire only. Once I ran a signal ground everything worked perfectly.
> Get it working because the product is a very good and the support from
> them is even better.
>
> Jeff R.
> A258 - N128LJ / Gold Rush 176 hours and climbing slowly. Down for
> annual and mods.
>
> On Feb 4, 2009, at 12:34 PM, Raimo Toivio wrote:
>
>>
>> All who have been there
>>
>> I am just now connecting my autopilot (Trio) to GPS (Garmin 296).
>> Doing it in a hangar - no seenable satellites.
>>
>> Question: when GPS is in a simulation mode, is there NMEA 0183 data
>> out then?
>>
>> I have tried data out 1 /violet wire /com 1 and data out 2 /blue wire
>> /com 2 but "No GPS" message in autopilots display. Tried also all the
>> possible NMEA "advanced settings".
>>
>> Any ideas? Should I find an oscilloscope? Cannot go out to find real
>> satellites...
>>
>> Thanks, Raimo
>> OH-XRT
>>
>>
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 8
> _____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 12:05:09 PM PST US
> From: "Raimo Toivio" <raimo.toivio@rwm.fi>
> Subject: Re: Europa-List: GPS NMEA data transfer to the autopilot
>
>
> Jeff, thanks for support!
>
> Do you remember did you connect Trios pin 8 which is black and
> twisted with
> green
> (pin 7) to the plane ground or to the GPS Data In TXD or both? This
> question
> is really confusing also me.
>
> As you said Trios support is great but they cannot help me because
> they have
> a
> wrong (old) wiring diagram for Garmin 296. Obviously 296 is only
> Garmin
> model
> using violet wire to the NMEA output - all the other use blue one
> they say.
>
> Raimo
>
> My plane looks now like it has never been airborne (and never
> will) ;(((
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "JEFF ROBERTS" <jeff@rmmm.net>
> Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2009 9:30 PM
> Subject: Re: Europa-List: GPS NMEA data transfer to the autopilot
>
>
> Ramio,
> You will need a satellite signal to test it. Mine wouldn't work with
> the GPS in it's simulation mode. I too have a trio and it works great
> but... I had a lot of intermittent trouble of losing the GPS NMEA
> output signal. After changing out the head of the autopilot and the
> GPS
> and all the wiring and flying without it for months it became apparent
> that I needed a ground. The instructions said if your GPS power is
> coming from the plane then you didn't need the ground for the auto
> pilot signal. But I think they we're just so use to putting these
> things in metal planes.
> Anyway I take my signal from an av-map 4 so it's NMEA out was a yellow
> wire only. Once I ran a signal ground everything worked perfectly.
> Get it working because the product is a very good and the support from
> them is even better.
>
> Jeff R.
> A258 - N128LJ / Gold Rush 176 hours and climbing slowly. Down for
> annual and mods.
>
> On Feb 4, 2009, at 12:34 PM, Raimo Toivio wrote:
>
>>
>> All who have been there
>>
>> I am just now connecting my autopilot (Trio) to GPS (Garmin 296).
>> Doing it in a hangar - no seenable satellites.
>>
>> Question: when GPS is in a simulation mode, is there NMEA 0183 data
>> out then?
>>
>> I have tried data out 1 /violet wire /com 1 and data out 2 /blue wire
>> /com 2 but "No GPS" message in autopilots display. Tried also all the
>> possible NMEA "advanced settings".
>>
>> Any ideas? Should I find an oscilloscope? Cannot go out to find real
>> satellites...
>>
>> Thanks, Raimo
>> OH-XRT
>>
>>
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 9
> _____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 12:43:14 PM PST US
> From: JEFF ROBERTS <jeff@rmmm.net>
> Subject: Re: Europa-List: GPS NMEA data transfer to the autopilot
>
>
> Raimo,
> I used my navaid servo so I had a harness to wire to but the same data
> eventually goes to the same pin on the trio head. My notes say that
> the GPS or NMEA out signal is to go into pin 7 on the head. The ground
> coming from the GPS is to go to a ground then to the black wire only
> and it goes to pin 10 on the trio head. The servo ground goes to pin 9
> on the head as they are separate. I see nothing about twisting two
> wires together or using pin 8. I'm assuming you have the wiring
> harness
> from trio that has the head connector wired but the other end is the
> exposed wires right?
> Jeff R.
> A258 - N128LJ / Gold Rush 176 hours and climbing slowly.
> On Feb 4, 2009, at 2:07 PM, Raimo Toivio wrote:
>
>>
>> Jeff, thanks for support!
>>
>> Do you remember did you connect Trios pin 8 which is black and
>> twisted with green (pin 7) to the plane ground or to the GPS Data In
>> TXD or both? This question is really confusing also me.
>>
>> As you said Trios support is great but they cannot help me because
>> they have a wrong (old) wiring diagram for Garmin 296. Obviously 296
>> is only Garmin model using violet wire to the NMEA output - all the
>> other use blue one they say.
>>
>> Raimo
>>
>> My plane looks now like it has never been airborne (and never will)
>> ;(((
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "JEFF ROBERTS" <jeff@rmmm.net>
>> To: <europa-list@matronics.com>
>> Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2009 9:30 PM
>> Subject: Re: Europa-List: GPS NMEA data transfer to the autopilot
>>
>>
>>
>> Ramio,
>> You will need a satellite signal to test it. Mine wouldn't work with
>> the GPS in it's simulation mode. I too have a trio and it works great
>> but... I had a lot of intermittent trouble of losing the GPS NMEA
>> output signal. After changing out the head of the autopilot and the
>> GPS
>> and all the wiring and flying without it for months it became
>> apparent
>> that I needed a ground. The instructions said if your GPS power is
>> coming from the plane then you didn't need the ground for the auto
>> pilot signal. But I think they we're just so use to putting these
>> things in metal planes.
>> Anyway I take my signal from an av-map 4 so it's NMEA out was a
>> yellow
>> wire only. Once I ran a signal ground everything worked perfectly.
>> Get it working because the product is a very good and the support
>> from
>> them is even better.
>>
>> Jeff R.
>> A258 - N128LJ / Gold Rush 176 hours and climbing sl
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Bob, it's only a flea jump, but we like it. And you will too.
Congratulations.
Karel Vranken.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bob Borger" <rlborger@mac.com>
Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2009 5:37 PM
Subject: Re: Europa-List: First Flight Kit #A221 - N914XL
>
> Phred, I mean Jeff,
>
> No problem. I seem to get that Roger thing on a regular basis.
>
> I hope to post video of the first flight and first landing on You Tube
> this evening. If I get the pics from Tommy, I'll post some stills on
> Europa Owners as well.
>
> Will let the Forum know when all are posted and available for viewing.
>
> Check six,
> Bob
>
> On Thursday, February 05, 2009, at 10:20AM, "JEFF ROBERTS" <jeff@rmmm.net>
> wrote:
>>
>>No no, it was my multitasking skills or lack of. I've been on the
>>phone, writing scripts, answering e-mails, and putting out fires all
>>morning! I tell you it seems I'm working twice as hard to make half as
>>much thru this recession!
>>
>>My apologies Bob and Congratulations to you... not Roger! I have not a
>>clue where the roger thing came from. Toooo much stuff going on!!
>>Anyway let us know when you fly yourself.
>>
>>Jeff R.
>>A258 - N128LJ / Gold Rush 176 hours and down for the annual.
>
>
>
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Subject: | Re: First Flight Kit #A221 - N914XL |
Bob,
Just getting on here after a few days scrambling to take care of business issues.
CONGRATULATIONS MAN!!
Your photo album has been of immense help as I go about trying to shape the heap
of parts in the garage into something meaningful. Many thanks to you and for
all the speedy replys to my inquiries.
I'm looking forward to the photos and videos!
:mrgreen: ALL THE BEST FOR A JOB WELL DONE - YOU DESERVE IT! :mrgreen:
Dan
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Ferg,
The 912/914 are the same regulator and plug. I too have gotten fed up
with the plug from time to time.
I take the time to put nutplates on the back of the fire wall for the
regulator and you will find that rolling on the plug in your hand is far
easier. Once it is trained, it is not so bad. Of course disconnecting
is even more fun. I did not put the Rotax all in one connector on last
time. I just plug them in one at a time. Of course since gravity works
24/7, you must wire tie the bundle so it holds pressure to keep the pins
from disconnecting under G if you mount the regulator vertical. Highly
unlikely but possible.
Bud Yerly
----- Original Message -----
From: Fergus Kyle<mailto:VE3LVO@rac.ca>
To: EUROPALIST<mailto:europa-list@matronics.com> ;
ROTAXnet<mailto:rotaxengines-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2009 3:34 PM
Subject: Europa-List: 914 - 912?
Cheers,
I'm not sure the 912 doesn't have the same 914 dynamo
regulator, but (914) I'm having the d@#$%^st<mailto:d@#$%^st>
time attaching bottom plug with the plethora of "quick-connect"
females
imbedded to receive the male counterparts. It seems there's too much
play in
the design to enable every male to join inside.
If you had this symptom as well, perhaps you have a
favourite insertion method to overcome the slop? If that's the case,
would
you kindly share what subterfuge you use? It might just save me one of
hundreds of provoking delays I seem to enjoy.
Please,
Ferg
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A friend of mine is looking for a part finished kit in the UK, anyone
know of one for sale at a negotiable price? Would prefer an XS tri gear
but any Europa considered, he has flown a one briefly and is very keen
to own one before he gets too old.
Graham
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Subject: | RE: Europa-List Digest: 18 Msgs - 02/04/09 |
Bob: Many thanks. I did insert the small fast-ons fully, but the plastic in the
big plug allows them to twist to their own desires- just enought to thwart the
inserting.
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Bud:
Thanks for the advice. Two good points - I too realised that it's easier to insert
with the plug and socket in the hand, but the b$%^&r still won't align. and
at the same time the flathead machine bolts loosened and clattered to the cockpit
floor and bounced into the underseat locker.....like most of my events.
I believe I will follow your suggestion and insert the fast-ons singly without
the big plug - and perhaps rotate the regulator. It is cooled by a small NACA
dut built into the cowling roof but needs protection in case of rain enroute I
suppose. I guess I could smother the contacts with ShoeGoo and cut them free
later on if needed.
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