Europa-List Digest Archive

Fri 02/06/09


Total Messages Posted: 28



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     1. 02:52 AM - Re: Europa Kits (Tony Crowe)
     2. 02:56 AM - Re: Re;- Trial Flight - UK Owners (William Harrison)
     3. 03:22 AM - Re: Europa Kits (Graham Singleton)
     4. 03:27 AM - Fw: INSIDE THE COCKPIT OF THE AIRBUS A380 (David Joyce)
     5. 05:28 AM - Pics posted of first flight (Robert Borger)
     6. 06:27 AM - Re: Fw: INSIDE THE COCKPIT OF THE AIRBUS A380 (William Harrison)
     7. 06:40 AM - Re: Fw: INSIDE THE COCKPIT OF THE AIRBUS A380 (David Joyce)
     8. 07:22 AM - Re: Fw: INSIDE THE COCKPIT OF THE AIRBUS A380 (William Harrison)
     9. 07:35 AM - SnF (rampil)
    10. 07:47 AM - Re: 914 - 912? (ALAN YERLY)
    11. 09:14 AM - Re: SnF (rick)
    12. 10:09 AM - Re: SnF (Garry)
    13. 10:09 AM - Re: SnF (rampil)
    14. 11:04 AM - Euroap Classic for sale. (Robert T. Stone)
    15. 11:04 AM - Europa Classic for sale (Robert T. Stone)
    16. 11:16 AM - Re: SnF (Fred Klein)
    17. 12:54 PM - 914/912 dynamo regulator (Fergus Kyle)
    18. 12:54 PM - Re: SnF (europabill@bellsouth.net)
    19. 01:05 PM - Re: SnF (Jeff B)
    20. 01:45 PM - Re: Europa Kits (Tony Crowe)
    21. 01:59 PM - Re: Fw: INSIDE THE COCKPIT OF THE AIRBUS A380 (karelvranken)
    22. 02:34 PM - DUCATI troubles (Fergus Kyle)
    23. 03:53 PM - Re: Europa Kits (Graham Singleton)
    24. 05:03 PM - Re: First Flight Kit #A221 - N914XL (EuropaXSA276@aol.com)
    25. 05:05 PM - Re: SnF (EuropaXSA276@aol.com)
    26. 05:23 PM - Europa List; Sun n Fun (Bryan Allsop)
    27. 05:30 PM - Re: First Flight Kit #A221 - N914XL (Robert Borger)
    28. 07:48 PM - Re: Fuel Vent Issue (Robert Borger)
 
 
 


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    Time: 02:52:28 AM PST US
    From: "Tony Crowe" <groups@bobcroweaircraft.com>
    Subject: Europa Kits
    Hi Graham The flyer magazine Europa is for sale. Regards Tony -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Graham Singleton Sent: 06 February 2009 01:46 Subject: Europa-List: Europa Kits <grahamsingleton@btinternet.com> A friend of mine is looking for a part finished kit in the UK, anyone know of one for sale at a negotiable price? Would prefer an XS tri gear but any Europa considered, he has flown a one briefly and is very keen to own one before he gets too old. Graham


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    Time: 02:56:31 AM PST US
    From: William Harrison <willie.harrison@tinyonline.co.uk>
    Subject: Re: Re;- Trial Flight - UK Owners
    If he wants to come over to Cambridge when the snow clears he's welcome to come for a flight with me - contact off list at 01763 263 283. Willie PS if he doesn't buy a kit, I'll ask him to donate a few quid to the NSPCC. If he does buy a kit I'll ask Europa to donate instead... On 4 Feb 2009, at 18:15, G-IANI wrote: > > > The Factory has a serious buyer who would like a trial flight and > possibly > to talk to a local builder. John would like to arrange this as > soon as > possible but the buyer is aware that the weather will largely > dictate when > this takes place. >


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    Time: 03:22:59 AM PST US
    From: Graham Singleton <grahamsingleton@btinternet.com>
    Subject: Re: Europa Kits
    Tony Crowe wrote: > > Hi Graham > > The flyer magazine Europa is for sale. > > > Regards > > > Tony > > Hi Tony yes, that would be a nice one to finish I think. I haven't seen it for several years but Miles' work was very nice. His price is rather high and the big main gear mod hasn't been approved yet which is awkward. LAA tend to play hard to get with serious mods these days Graham


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    Time: 03:27:26 AM PST US
    From: "David Joyce" <davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk>
    Subject: Fw: INSIDE THE COCKPIT OF THE AIRBUS A380
    For those of you thinking of upgrading your panel, here's a possible model! Regards, David Joyce, G-XSDJ CLICK HERE >>>>>>>> http://www.gillesvidal.com/blogpano/cockpit1.htm ________________________________________________________________________ This e-mail has been scanned for all viruses by Star. The service is powered by MessageLabs. For more information on a proactive anti-virus service working around the clock, around the globe, visit: http://www.star.net.uk ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Any opinions expressed in the E-mail are those of the individual and not necessarily those of North Warwickshire Borough Council. This E-mail and any files with it are confidential and solely for the use of the intended recipient. If you are not the intended recipient or the person responsible for delivering to the intended recipient, please be advised that you have received this E-mail in error and that any use is strictly prohibited. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Share your photos with Windows Live Photos Free Try it Now!


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    Time: 05:28:13 AM PST US
    From: Robert Borger <rlborger@mac.com>
    Subject: Pics posted of first flight
    Fellow Europaphiles, I have posted a few pics of the first flight of my Europa on my build web site. Video posting to You Tube will have to wait until my main computer is returned from repairs. I will let you know when the videos are posted. Check six, Bob Borger Europa Kit #A221 N914XL, XS Mono, Intercooled 914, Airmaster C/S http://www.europaowners.org/N914XL Now Flying! 3705 Lynchburg Dr. Corinth, TX 76208 Home: 940-497-2123 Cel: 817-992-1117


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    Time: 06:27:58 AM PST US
    From: William Harrison <willie.harrison@tinyonline.co.uk>
    Subject: Re: Fw: INSIDE THE COCKPIT OF THE AIRBUS A380
    Very nice, but I don't see the handy picnic shelf we Europhiles enjoy. Pah!


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    Time: 06:40:00 AM PST US
    From: "David Joyce" <davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk>
    Subject: Re: Fw: INSIDE THE COCKPIT OF THE AIRBUS A380
    Willie, That's because this cockpit comes with a selection of girls to pander to your every need! David ----- Original Message ----- From: "William Harrison" <willie.harrison@tinyonline.co.uk> Sent: Friday, February 06, 2009 2:23 PM Subject: Re: Europa-List: Fw: INSIDE THE COCKPIT OF THE AIRBUS A380 > <willie.harrison@tinyonline.co.uk> > > Very nice, but I don't see the handy picnic shelf we Europhiles enjoy. > Pah! > > >


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    Time: 07:22:11 AM PST US
    From: William Harrison <willie.harrison@tinyonline.co.uk>
    Subject: Re: Fw: INSIDE THE COCKPIT OF THE AIRBUS A380
    That reminds me of the story of the stuck PA switch in the airliner cockpit which allowed the passengers to hear the captain saying to the co-pilot after landing, "What I need now is a cold beer and a hot woman". When the stewardess hurried to the cockpit to tell the captain what had happened, she was stopped by an elderly passenger who said, "don't forget the cold beer, dear". > > Willie, That's because this cockpit comes with a selection of girls > to pander to your every need! David > ----- Original Message ----- From: "William Harrison" > <willie.harrison@tinyonline.co.uk> > >


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    Time: 07:35:51 AM PST US
    Subject: SnF
    From: "rampil" <ira.rampil@gmail.com>
    Hi All, All of this cold weather lately has me planning to attend SnF in sunny Lakeland. I think it may be time to start planning a good old fashion "Engineering" meeting of the sort familiar to generations of Flight Crafters and Custom Flight Creations alumni! Of course all are welcome. Europa is planning a big presence at SnF this year. I don't yet know their schedule for events, but I'd like to invite Dave Stanbridge to the party, er meeting. Anyone else planning to go this year? -------- Ira N224XS Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=228863#228863


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    Time: 07:47:59 AM PST US
    From: "ALAN YERLY" <budyerly@msn.com>
    Subject: Re: 914 - 912?
    Bud's Law: All loose nuts and bolts always fall under the bench, in the most inaccessible part of the flight controls or instrument panel, or under that slight gap in the cockpit module you didn't fill or leave access to. As for the plug, argh. Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: Ferg Kyle<mailto:VE3LVO@rac.ca> To: europa-list@matronics.com<mailto:europa-list@matronics.com> Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2009 11:03 PM Subject: Re: Europa-List: 914 - 912? <VE3LVO@rac.ca<mailto:VE3LVO@rac.ca>> Bud: Thanks for the advice. Two good points - I too realised that it's easier to insert with the plug and socket in the hand, but the b$%^&r still won't align. and at the same time the flathead machine bolts loosened and clattered to the cockpit floor and bounced into the underseat locker.....like most of my events. I believe I will follow your suggestion and insert the fast-ons singly without the big plug - and perhaps rotate the regulator. It is cooled by a small NACA dut built into the cowling roof but needs protection in case of rain enroute I suppose. I guess I could smother the contacts with ShoeGoo and cut them free later on if needed. Visit - www.EuropaOwners.org<http://www.europaowners.org/> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List<http://www.matronics.com/N avigator?Europa-List> http://www.matronics.com/contribution<http://www.matronics.com/contributi on>


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    Time: 09:14:06 AM PST US
    From: "rick" <rick@amimotormanagement.co.uk>
    Subject: SnF
    Hi Ira Yes myself and Ray will be along Friday and Saturday or Sunday. Two years ago a load of Brits went out on the Saturday night to a fine American cultural institution nearby call I think "Hooters". Seemed to remember it was quite an 'interesting' evening! It was the last meal I had with William before his and Paul's fatal accident so I wouldn't mind raising a bottle or two to their memory. No doubt Paddy, Nigel, Steve etc will find themselves in Florida around that time. See you there. Rick Rick Morris G-RIKS 912s Tri 500 hrs. -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of rampil Sent: 06 February 2009 15:35 Subject: Europa-List: SnF Hi All, All of this cold weather lately has me planning to attend SnF in sunny Lakeland. I think it may be time to start planning a good old fashion "Engineering" meeting of the sort familiar to generations of Flight Crafters and Custom Flight Creations alumni! Of course all are welcome. Europa is planning a big presence at SnF this year. I don't yet know their schedule for events, but I'd like to invite Dave Stanbridge to the party, er meeting. Anyone else planning to go this year? -------- Ira N224XS Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=228863#228863 Checked by AVG. 00:00 Checked by AVG. 00:00


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    Time: 10:09:40 AM PST US
    From: "Garry" <garrys@tampabay.rr.com>
    Subject: Re: SnF
    Hi Ira, I'm definitely planning on being there. Not all days, but most. I'm looking forward to seeing you again, and the rest of the Europa crowd too. Garry Stout ----- Original Message ----- From: "rampil" <ira.rampil@gmail.com> Sent: Friday, February 06, 2009 10:34 AM Subject: Europa-List: SnF > > Hi All, > > All of this cold weather lately has me planning to attend SnF in sunny > Lakeland. I think it may be time to start planning a good old fashion > "Engineering" meeting of the sort familiar to generations of Flight > Crafters > and Custom Flight Creations alumni! Of course all are welcome. > > Europa is planning a big presence at SnF this year. I don't yet know their > schedule for events, but I'd like to invite Dave Stanbridge to the party, > er > meeting. > > Anyone else planning to go this year? > > -------- > Ira N224XS > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=228863#228863 > > >


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    Time: 10:09:54 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: SnF
    From: "rampil" <ira.rampil@gmail.com>
    Hi Rick, Yes I believe Hooters was originally chosen to enhance the technical discussions regarding structural engineering and composite polymers! -------- Ira N224XS Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=228900#228900


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    Time: 11:04:08 AM PST US
    Subject: Euroap Classic for sale.
    From: "Robert T. Stone" <rstone@medtechdev.com>
    One small detail - the airplane is located in Palo Alto, California. Robert T. Stone, Ph.D. Chief Technology Officer Office : 408-541-1212 X210 Fax: 408-541-1763 Mobile: 408-393-5386 Email: rstone@medtechdev.com MedTech Development a division of Tronics www.medtechdev.com


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    Time: 11:04:09 AM PST US
    Subject: Europa Classic for sale
    From: "Robert T. Stone" <rstone@medtechdev.com>
    I am afraid I must sell my Europa Classic, N7854M. My family has expanded and my airplane needs have changed dramatically. The airframe and engine - Jabiru 3300 have only 100 hours. Many extras. For details, please e-mail rtstone22@hotmail.com. Robert T. Stone, Ph.D. Chief Technology Officer Office : 408-541-1212 X210 Fax: 408-541-1763 Mobile: 408-393-5386 Email: rstone@medtechdev.com MedTech Development a division of Tronics www.medtechdev.com


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    Time: 11:16:45 AM PST US
    From: Fred Klein <fklein@orcasonline.com>
    Subject: Re: SnF
    Count me in, Fred A194 -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean.


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    Time: 12:54:04 PM PST US
    From: "Fergus Kyle" <VE3LVO@rac.ca>
    Subject: 914/912 dynamo regulator
    (a) Thanks for the rapid replies regarding the trouble I was having with the #$%^& regulator plug carrying the various wires, which plugs up into the regulator body. (b) As with many of my minor projects, first I couldn't get the #$%^ fast-ons in, and now that I've decided to eliminate the plug, I can't get them out. (c) Nevertheless even if it means destroying the plastic plug, I am determined to find an alternative, because, (d) the rotten plug is meant to 'capture' the fast-on female connectors - which it does - is badly designed in that it does not prevent slight rotation of the females which in turn frustrates the joining of females in the plug to males in the regulator body. When such occurs, I usually make 5 tries, using whatever subterfuge accomplishes the feat. I made 10 tries here but success evaded me. My bride has now said she won't fly in it because it's built using language meant to destroy the earth. (e) I will eliminate the plug and substitute a guard which ensures continual engagement and protects against rain etc. Case closed - I hope. Ferg


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    Time: 12:54:57 PM PST US
    From: europabill@bellsouth.net
    Subject: Re: SnF


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    Time: 01:05:38 PM PST US
    From: Jeff B <topglock@cox.net>
    Subject: Re: SnF
    Mary and I will be there... Jeff - Baby Blue rampil wrote: > > Hi All, > > All of this cold weather lately has me planning to attend SnF in sunny > Lakeland. I think it may be time to start planning a good old fashion > "Engineering" meeting of the sort familiar to generations of Flight Crafters > and Custom Flight Creations alumni! Of course all are welcome. > > Europa is planning a big presence at SnF this year. I don't yet know their > schedule for events, but I'd like to invite Dave Stanbridge to the party, er > meeting. > > Anyone else planning to go this year? > > -------- > Ira N224XS > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=228863#228863 > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >


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    Time: 01:45:21 PM PST US
    From: "Tony Crowe" <groups@bobcroweaircraft.com>
    Subject: Europa Kits
    Graham I was under the impression from the advert the landing gear mod was approved. Tony -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Graham Singleton Sent: 06 February 2009 11:21 Subject: Re: Europa-List: Europa Kits <grahamsingleton@btinternet.com> Tony Crowe wrote: <groups@bobcroweaircraft.com> > > Hi Graham > > The flyer magazine Europa is for sale. > > > Regards > > > Tony > > Hi Tony yes, that would be a nice one to finish I think. I haven't seen it for several years but Miles' work was very nice. His price is rather high and the big main gear mod hasn't been approved yet which is awkward. LAA tend to play hard to get with serious mods these days Graham


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    Time: 01:59:49 PM PST US
    From: "karelvranken" <karelvranken@hotmail.com>
    Subject: Re: Fw: INSIDE THE COCKPIT OF THE AIRBUS A380
    David, If you put one seat on rollers, then you can eliminate the two others and have some place for your travelling bag. Regards, Karel Vranken. ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Joyce" <davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk> Sent: Friday, February 06, 2009 12:25 PM Subject: Europa-List: Fw: INSIDE THE COCKPIT OF THE AIRBUS A380 > <davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk> > > For those of you thinking of upgrading your panel, here's a possible > model! Regards, David Joyce, G-XSDJ > > CLICK HERE >>>>>>>> http://www.gillesvidal.com/blogpano/cockpit1.htm > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > This e-mail has been scanned for all viruses by Star. The > service is powered by MessageLabs. For more information on a proactive > anti-virus service working around the clock, around the globe, visit: > http://www.star.net.uk > ________________________________________________________________________ > > ________________________________________________________________________ > Any opinions expressed in the E-mail are those of the individual and > not necessarily those of North Warwickshire Borough Council. > This E-mail and any files with it are confidential and solely for the use > of the intended recipient. If you are not the intended recipient or the > person responsible for delivering to the intended recipient, please > be advised that you have received this E-mail in error and that any > use is strictly prohibited. > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Share your photos with Windows Live Photos Free Try it Now! > > >


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    Time: 02:34:25 PM PST US
    From: "Fergus Kyle" <VE3LVO@rac.ca>
    Subject: DUCATI troubles
    Well, I don't know. I put out a panic call, answered by several, because I couldn't insert the gang 'plug' into the bottom of the Ducati Regulator. The reason was the'fast-ons' were allowed to rotate slightly which prevented proper insertion - poor design. Anyway, the advice given was solid and, having wasted half the day fussing, I decided to abandon the plug, extract the fast-ons from it and insert them independently into the male fittings in the body of the regulator. Then the #$%^&'s wouldn't come out, so I clipped the wires at the entry intent on refitting them with new fast-ons. Once the plug was free, I noticed a small indent adjacent to the plug's entry slots and the result convinced me to place this message (in lieu of shooting someone). The indent permits one to extract the fast-on by pressing a small tab down the indent, which turned, allows the tab to press a locking tab inward and freeing the fast-on. Of course, too late we get smart. However, I have chronicled this brilliant discovery in the europa owners' list: http://www.europaowners.org/ If you're not familiar, look for "Gallery" at the end of the first line of choices, and then go down the first page of authors till you find "Ferg Kyle". It should be in their somewhere, under THE DUCATI. AFFAIR..... Well, actually I've seem to have put it in its own album, sorry. Cheers, Ferg PS SteveD - save me! How do I get the thing into my own album?


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    Time: 03:53:11 PM PST US
    From: Graham Singleton <grahamsingleton@btinternet.com>
    Subject: Re: Europa Kits
    Tony Crowe wrote: > > Graham > > I was under the impression from the advert the landing gear mod was > approved. > > Tony Only verbally. We all know it should be OK but try getting a bureaucrat to say yes to anything!? Graham


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    Time: 05:03:40 PM PST US
    From: EuropaXSA276@aol.com
    Subject: Re: First Flight Kit #A221 - N914XL
    Wonderful news Bob. **************Great Deals on Dell Laptops. Starting at $499. net/clk;211531132;33070124;e)


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    Time: 05:05:48 PM PST US
    From: EuropaXSA276@aol.com
    Subject: Re: SnF
    I'll be there with both boys this year. Tailwinds Brian Skelly Texas USA Europa A276 _www.europaowners.org/BrianS_ (http://www.europaowners.org/BrianS) After 1300 build hours all the little airplane pieces are now big airplane pieces. Expecting to close wings and fuselage this summer. **************Great Deals on Dell Laptops. Starting at $499. net/clk;211531132;33070124;e)


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    Time: 05:23:28 PM PST US
    From: Bryan Allsop <bryanallsop@hotmail.com>
    Subject: Europa List; Sun n Fun
    Hi Ira=2C I will be visiting S n F. Can you keep me informed of any arrangements. Thanks in anticipation. Bryan Allsop _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live=99: Keep your life in sync. http://windowslive.com/explore?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_t1_allup_explore_022009


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    Time: 05:30:19 PM PST US
    From: Robert Borger <rlborger@mac.com>
    Subject: Re: First Flight Kit #A221 - N914XL
    Brian, Once I get comfortable with it I'll fly down to Spinks for a weekend lunch one day. Check six, Bob Borger http://www.europaowners.org/N914XL Europa XS, Short Wing, Intercooled Rotax 914 rlborger@mac.com Cel: 817-992-1117 On Feb 6, 2009, at 7:01 PM, EuropaXSA276@aol.com wrote: > Wonderful news Bob.


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    Time: 07:48:08 PM PST US
    From: Robert Borger <rlborger@mac.com>
    Subject: Re: Fuel Vent Issue
    Dan, An update on the fuel vent and fuel slop issue. I filled the aircraft this morning. At the same time I again filled the area behind the passenger with about a gallon of avgas. BUT, this time I was able to determine the source of the problem. It was NOT the vent system. When I was planning to install the aux fuel tank, I put in all the fittings. Later, my wife explained that if I put the aux tank in, she wasn't flying. She liked the fact that the Europa would have to stop every three hours, she didn't want the ability to fly for 5+ hours. Also, any reduction in baggage payload was TOTALLY unacceptable. So, no aux tank. I pretty much stopped installing. Dumb move. I had installed the vent hose and self-closing fitting for the aux tank, but I didn't put the hose and self-closing fitting on the fuel inlet. The little barb fitting was just sticking out between the main fuel inlet and the upper vent fitting. (BTW, remember, 8 folks, all homebuilders, went over this aircraft with fine-toothed combs and all missed this one) When I'd run fuel in too fast one of the ways to relieve pressure was to blow fuel out that little barbed fitting and into the back well area. Also, when the tank was filled, any excess fuel burbled out of the little barbed fitting into this area. By installing the tube with the self closing fitting the fuel spill issue should be corrected. The aircraft is presently open and allowing any residual fuel to evaporate. This does not correct the slow fuel vent problem. When filling today, I noticed that the tank was venting out of the normal vent system. I could tell because it would occasionally burp out a significant quantity of fuel. The fuel wasn't an issue as it stayed in the fuel filler and just ran back into the tank. Still, the vent is slow and can't keep up with the ability of of the pump to introduce fuel into the tank. If you have any way to increase the size of the vent lines (maybe 3/8"?), I'd recommend doing it. I'm adding the europa-list to the address because I'd like to post this on my site. Unfortunaltely my main computer with all my good software crapped out on Thursday while I was uploading first flight video to You Tube. Had to take it into the Apple Store for fix'n'. Won't be able to do any further image work and upload till the Big Mac is back at home. I'm hoping that it will be ready on Sunday or Monday. Check six, Bob Borger http://www.europaowners.org/N914XL (TT 15 min) Europa XS, Short Wing, Intercooled Rotax 914 rlborger@mac.com Cel: 817-992-1117 On Feb 5, 2009, at 5:37 PM, Dan Bish wrote: > Hi Bob, > > Congrats again on the successful flight of your baby! > > I was wondering what you did to correct the fuel filler vent > problem. I have the same setup. > > Thanks, > > Dan




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