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1. 12:13 AM - Re: Master Brake Cylinder (Richard Iddon)
2. 01:17 AM - Re: Plenum socketsPlenum socket (stephan@scassel.se)
3. 01:22 AM - Re: Cooling Shroud (rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us)
4. 01:39 AM - Re: Cooling Shroud (rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us)
5. 03:29 AM - Re: Master Brake Cylinder (Trevpond@aol.com)
6. 03:34 AM - Re: Master Brake Cylinder (Trevpond@aol.com)
7. 04:57 AM - Re: Outrigger mod. (h&jeuropa)
8. 06:06 AM - Re: Cooling Shroud (rampil)
9. 07:06 AM - Re: Plenum sockets (John & Paddy Wigney)
10. 07:21 AM - New Zealand Builders (jimpuglise@comcast.net)
11. 07:37 AM - New Zealand Trip (jimpuglise@COMCAST.NET)
12. 08:19 AM - Re: Cooling Shroud (danbish)
13. 09:06 AM - Re: Cooling Shroud (Mike Toft)
14. 09:39 AM - Re: Re: Cooling Shroud (rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us)
15. 10:16 AM - Re: Re: Cooling Shroud (JEFF ROBERTS)
16. 01:23 PM - Re: New Zealand Trip (Bill Sisley)
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Subject: | Master Brake Cylinder |
Hi Mike.
I had endless problems with the Jaymar cylinders including sticking
pistons, problems with bleeding and at one point the failure of one
side. I have thrown them away and replaced them with the Matco ones
available from the factory and have had absolutely no problems since.
Richard Iddon G-RIXS
-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
DuaneFamly@aol.com
Sent: 09 February 2009 22:38
Subject: Europa-List: Master Brake Cylinder
Good day All,
I was attempting to bleed my brake system but wasn't having too much
luck. So I pulled my Jamar master cylinder and found that the large seal
nearest the spring was torn to pieces....on BOTH side! I am hoping that
this was just an error in insufficient lubrication when reassembling
after I tore the master cylinder down to clean out the crude that seemed
to be left over after the manufacturing. The part number off the seal is
220-L-4502 along with a 54. If my resources were correct then this
should be made of Buna-N (Nitrile) and is compatible with my Hydraulic
Fluid 41 Mil-H 5606G. The other seal is marked ADM-45 2110....also
Nitrile?
So here are my questions:
1) Am I right about the material and the compatibility?
2) Is there a source for me to order replacement seals in the US?
3) Is there a lubricant that I should be using when I reassemble the
cylinders?
4) Are people still sanding down the outer edge of the white disc to
prevent sticking?
5) Are builders replacing the spring with a stronger one or adding
another spring?
Thanks in advance for any replies.
Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
02/08/09 17:57:00
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Subject: | Re: Plenum socketsPlenum socket |
Hi All
I had the same problem a year ago. The socket was totally deformed.
I bought a new one from Europa. Not expensive. The new one was of much
better quality. (Completely different)
John, at Europa, thought that the plenum chamber was from a bad batch.
New one is also a bit lighter. Mine is from 2005
My advice is to buy a new one from Europa.
I have also changed the hoses (2) between carbs and plenum chamber.
Standard is not good at all.
It looks ok from outside but from inside it was a nightmare!! Cracks and
small rubber parts missing!!
They must be exchanged. I bought 2 silicon rubber. Same sort that racing
car use. No sign of wear
Same very bad rubber is used for cooling hoses between engine and radiator.
Stefan Ingermarsson, from Sweden, sells a hose kit for 912/914 made of
silicon. Very good.
Regrds
Stephan
LN-STE #556 Mono. 143 hour and very happy :-)
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Subject: | Re: Cooling Shroud |
Hi Jeff
Good lick on your cooling air baffle.
One
note, my factory cooling air baffle I bought for my 914 is made out of
polyester resin. Polyester is better for high temperatures compared to
Aeropoxy. Don't know if TG of Aeropoxy is high enough if thats what you
used??
Aeropoxy has a sister company with a laminating resin
good for some pretty high temperatures. It will semi cure at room
temperature, then you need to ramp up temps in an oven to get max TG. A
home oven will work well.
Ron P.
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Subject: | Re: Cooling Shroud |
Hi Jeff
Forgot to mention on my first post, the cooling air
baffle I got looks pretty new, perhaps only the factory run time. It has
some brown/burnt areas developing.
Ron Parigoris
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Subject: | Re: Master Brake Cylinder |
Me too Richard,
The original units were totally unacceptable, with sticking and even worse,
lacking the ability to hold the aircraft still when doing pre-takeoff engine
checks.
I bought the new Matco units from the factory and since then, absolutely no
problems; now have to watch brake applications when landing in case of
lock-ups!
regards
Trev Pond
G-LINN
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Subject: | Re: Master Brake Cylinder |
Me too Richard,
The original units were totally unacceptable, with sticking and even worse,
lacking the ability to hold the aircraft still when doing pre-takeoff engine
checks.
I bought the new Matco units from the factory and since then, absolutely no
problems; now have to watch brake applications when landing in case of
lock-ups!
regards
Trev Pond
G-LINN
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Subject: | Re: Outrigger mod. |
Hi Jim
The Mod is on the Europa Club website. It is Mod 10661 Version 2, May 2007. Version
2 changes the pivot bolt to AN5.
We've done this Mod and it works fine.
Jim & Heather Butcher
N241BW
Hoping for warm weather!!
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=229516#229516
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Subject: | Re: Cooling Shroud |
The Tg for Aeropoxy is 194-196F depending on which hardener is used.
see:http://pages.sbcglobal.net/ccanedy/aeropoxy_main.html
The only Tg for polyester resins I could find on the web were in the
range of 53C or about 112F
Post cure baking pushes the layup towards the final Tg.
Fortunately an engine shroud is small enough to actually bake with reasonable equipment,
unlike a wing.
--------
Ira N224XS
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=229521#229521
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Subject: | Re: Plenum sockets |
Hi Richard,
I had the same problem. I fixed it with aluminium tubes glassed into place.
Cheers, John
N262WF
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From: "Richard Iddon" <riddon@sent.com>
Subject: Europa-List: Plenum sockets
Thanks to all for the ideas re door gas struts. Should be sorted now.
Next problem. The sockets on the plenum chamber for my 912S, where they
go into the rubber hoses to connect to the carbs, have collapsed
somewhat. I guess it is the combination of the heat from the engine
softening the glass and it being under compression from the hose clips.
I was considering cutting them off and reduxing in a couple of short
pieces of 2in. aluminium tube as replacements.
Any one else had this problem and how solved?
Richard Iddon G-RIXS
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Subject: | New Zealand Builders |
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Subject: | New Zealand Trip |
Do not archive
(It appears that the server stripped out my attached .PDF, so I have insert
ed our schedule.)
Lynne and I will be visiting New Zealand from February 21 through March 22.
=C2- It would be nice to get together with other builders for the purpose
of lifting a beer or several and comparing notes.=C2- I plan to bring a
printed copy of my builder's log and photos.=C2- I am building an XS tri-
gear with a Jabiru 3300, and am about 75% done.=C2- I have attached our s
chedule and contact information.=C2- We will try to have Skype up as much
as possible, and should also be checking e-mail daily.=C2- We have a car
, but the schedule is quite full, so maybe we can get together in the eveni
ng.=C2- I have attached our schedule and contact information.=C2- Pleas
e pass on your phone numbers and other contact information if an evening wi
ll work out for you.
Jim Puglise - A-283
Jim and Lynne Puglise
Skype contact jim.puglise
jimpuglise@comcast.net
NZ Schedule
Feb. 21, 22 =C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2
-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-
=C2-=C2- Te Anu
Feb. 23, 24 =C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2
-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-
=C2-=C2- Dunedin
Feb. 25, 26 =C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2
-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-
=C2-=C2- Wanaka
Feb. 27, 28 =C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2
-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-
=C2-=C2- Franz Joseph
March 1, 2 =C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2
-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-
=C2-=C2-=C2- Christchurch
March 3 =C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-
=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2
-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2- Kaikoura
March 4, 5 =C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2
-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-
=C2-=C2-=C2- Nelson
March 7, 8 =C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2
-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-
=C2-=C2-=C2- Wellington
March 9, 10 =C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2
-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-
=C2- Napier
March 11, 12 =C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-
=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2- Ro
torua
March 13, 14 =C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-
=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2- Te
Awamutu
March 15, 16 =C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-
=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2- Wa
rkworth
March 17, 18, 19 =C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2
-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2- Russell
March 20, 21, 22 =C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2
-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2- Auckland
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Subject: | Re: Cooling Shroud |
Hi,
I'd be interested as well, for the 914.
Thanks,
Dan
Visit - www.EuropaOwners.org
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You can count me in to
Regards
Mike Toft
ZU CTG Tri Gear 914 XS
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Paul Boulet
Sent: 10 February 2009 07:12 AM
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Cooling Shroud
Simply beautiful. I'd like to have one too
Paul Boulet, N914PB Rotax 914 tri gear
--- On Mon, 2/9/09, JEFF ROBERTS <jeff@rmmm.net> wrote:
From: JEFF ROBERTS <jeff@rmmm.net>
Subject: Europa-List: Cooling Shroud
HI All,
After dealing with the uneven cooling issues under the Europa cowl, and
after
looking at how all the new LSA planes are cooling the rotax, I decided to
make a
cooling shroud or baffle as rotax calls it. I know something like this came
with
some of the Kits but not mine. After seeing the RV-12 at KOSH I decided to
call
Lockwood to see what one would cost. We'll the rotax version was $900 + US
dollars. So I got the clay out and started making one. It turned out quite
nice.
All the air from the right intake will be funneled up a 2 inch scat tube to
feed
the thing.
After talking with Jeff B. of Baby Blue fame he thought it would be nice if
we
could fashion a mold for anyone else wanting one. So before I start the
process
I thought I'd test the waters on this list. Here is a picture of it. Jeff
& I thought if we made such a mold that we could send it around to others
wanting to lay up such a shroud. A mold would be a lot easier than the
process I
went through to make this so if you are interested let me know. Jeff gets
first
crack at it but we could send it on from there. All interested parties
please
respond back and we'll see what we can do. It seems to me that better and
more even cooling will make a happier engine.
Best Regards,
Jeff R.
A258 - N128LJ / Gold Rush 176 hours and down for the annual, Mod 71 and a
lot
of others.
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Subject: | Re: Cooling Shroud |
Hi Ira
"> The only Tg for polyester resins I could find
on the web were in the
> range of 53C or about 112F"
I made my comment based on what Nev told me. He said thatone
reason the Europa cowl is made out of polyester is the higher TG. My Rotax
cooling air baffle sure does smell like polyester.
Anyway,
PTM+W sells an amber laminating system:
http://www.ptm-w.com/index.asp?pgid
TG of PT2846 is308F to 370F depending on hardener. I spoke
at length to engineer about that product, and the biggest problem is the
minimum buy (especially the hardener). I have the guys name that will sell
me reasonable amounts, but still would be more than my needs for my custom
electric fan shrouding before radiators.
There is a ramp up
procedure I have, somethinglike let it cure at room or slightly
higher temp for half a day, then bake for 2 hours at ??, then 1 hour
at ??, etc. etc. My shroud will fit in my oven so that is my
plan.
Ron P.
>
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Subject: | Re: Cooling Shroud |
We'll guys. It looks like one or two are interested in this shroud so I
bought some plaster of paris and I'm going to attempt to make a mold of
some sort. I may have to make a negative mold out of the glass and
resin instead but we'll see.
On the issue of the mold melting I would suggest that if cooled
properly the slight amount of this that touches the fins shouldn't be a
problem. What I have done is where the shroud goes between the outer
outside and second cooling fin i used a lay-up of RTV and bid. You can
buy at any auto parts store the red RTV stuff thats supposed to be good
up to 650F. lay a 1" X 10 strip of bid on plastic. Start working the
RTV into the bid just as you would a regular lay-up. I went 4 layers
thick then on the last one I didn't work any RTV on the outside of it
just worked it into the previous layer's excess. This will allow you to
glue the one side of this onto the side of the shroud. After the lay up
add another piece of polyurethane just like when you made tapes of bid
in the build. You can then let it cure about a half hour trim it to
shape and glue it with epoxy to the side of the shroud. This will stay
slightly flexible and be the part that touches the motor most. I could
be all wet here but a good friend of mine made all his own baffling on
his EZ using this stuff and it's still working 800+ hours. Here is a
picture of the shroud off the engine so you can see what I mean.
I'll keep yas'all posted as to my progress on the mold. Hey maybe I
should just make a bunch of these and sell em;) After all I am a
capitalist! Let the bidding start!
Regards,
Jeff R.
A258 - N128LJ / Gold Rush 176 hours and climbing slowly.
On Feb 10, 2009, at 8:04 AM, rampil wrote:
>
> The Tg for Aeropoxy is 194-196F depending on which hardener is used.
> see:http://pages.sbcglobal.net/ccanedy/aeropoxy_main.html
>
>
> The only Tg for polyester resins I could find on the web were in the
> range of 53C or about 112F
>
> Post cure baking pushes the layup towards the final Tg.
>
> Fortunately an engine shroud is small enough to actually bake with
> reasonable equipment, unlike a wing.
>
> --------
> Ira N224XS
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=229521#229521
>
>
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Subject: | Re: New Zealand Trip |
Hi Jim,
I am based near Tauranga in the North Island and would be very pleased
to meet you during your visit.
Suggest you call me when in NZ and we can set up a rendezvous.
Home 07 5491855
Mobile 0273033131
Skype europaxs1
Regards
Sue & Bill Sisley
XS Mono
Airmaster
Rotax 914
750 Hrs
jimpuglise@comcast.net wrote:
>
> Do not archive
>
>
>
> (It appears that the server stripped out my attached .PDF, so I have
> inserted our schedule.)
>
>
>
> Lynne and I will be visiting New Zealand from February 21 through
> March 22. It would be nice to get together with other builders for
> the purpose of lifting a beer or several and comparing notes. I plan
> to bring a printed copy of my builder's log and photos. I am building
> an XS tri-gear with a Jabiru 3300, and am about 75% done. I have
> attached our schedule and contact information. We will try to have
> Skype up as much as possible, and should also be checking e-mail
> daily. We have a car, but the schedule is quite full, so maybe we can
> get together in the evening. I have attached our schedule and contact
> information. Please pass on your phone numbers and other contact
> information if an evening will work out for you.
>
>
>
> Jim Puglise - A-283
>
> Jim and Lynne Puglise
>
> Skype contact jim.puglise
>
> jimpuglise@comcast.net <mailto:jimpuglise@comcast.net>**
> <mailto:jimpuglise@comcast.net>
>
> *NZ Schedule*
>
> Feb. 21, 22 Te Anu
>
> Feb. 23, 24 Dunedin
>
> Feb. 25, 26 Wanaka
>
> Feb. 27, 28 Franz Joseph
>
> March 1, 2 Christchurch
>
> March 3 Kaikoura
>
> March 4, 5 Nelson
>
> March 7, 8 Wellington
>
> March 9, 10 Napier
>
> March 11, 12 Rotorua
>
> March 13, 14 Te Awamutu
>
> March 15, 16 Warkworth
>
> March 17, 18, 19 Russell
>
> March 20, 21, 22 Auckland
>
>
>
>
> *
>
>
> *
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