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1. 01:35 AM - Re: Anyone have info how they mounted wing tip strobe power supplies (stephan@scassel.se)
2. 02:05 AM - Re: Seat Foundations (Graham Singleton)
3. 06:34 AM - tail stall (Graham Singleton)
4. 06:52 AM - Re: Exhaust lagging (John & Paddy Wigney)
5. 07:21 AM - Re: Anyone have info how they mounted wing tip strobe power supplies? (jimpuglise@comcast.net)
6. 08:03 AM - Re: tail stall (William Harrison)
7. 08:23 AM - Re: Anyone have info how they mounted wing tip strobe power supplies? (rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us)
8. 09:36 AM - Re: Anyone have info how they mounted wing tip strobe power supplies? (Jan de Jong)
9. 09:36 AM - Re: Anyone have info how they mounted wing tip strobe power supplies? (Jan de Jong)
10. 10:23 AM - Re: Anyone have info how they mounted wing tip strobe power supplies? (Graham Singleton)
11. 02:20 PM - Re: Anyone have info how they mounted wing tip strobe power supplies? (Robert Borger)
12. 02:47 PM - DOTH Thursday 19th Leicester (Paddy Clarke)
13. 03:51 PM - Re: Wing close-out panel (Jan de Jong)
14. 04:45 PM - Re: Anyone have info how they mounted wing tip strobe power supplies? (Fred Klein)
15. 05:13 PM - Re: Anyone have info how they mounted wing tip strobe power supplies? (rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us)
16. 07:53 PM - Re: Anyone have info how they mounted wing tip strobe power supplies? (Robert Borger)
17. 09:36 PM - Re: Anyone have info how they mounted wing tip strobe power supplies? (Fred Klein)
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| Subject: | Re: Anyone have info how they mounted wing tip strobe |
power supplies
Hi Ron,
This is how I made the power supplies mounting:
1. Mark where the opening will be
http://scassel.se/europa/cap3/images4/DSCN1033.JPG
2. Prepare the flange for the panel. (3 layers of bid)
http://scassel.se/europa/cap3/images4/DSCN1034.JPG
3. Open the skin with a Dremel or similar
http://scassel.se/europa/cap3/images4/DSCN1037.JPG
http://scassel.se/europa/cap3/images4/DSCN1038.JPG
http://scassel.se/europa/cap3/images4/DSCN1039.JPG
4. Mount the flange layup from #2 (epoxy/flox or Araldite 420)
http://scassel.se/europa/cap3/images4/DSCN1041.JPG
5. After cure, open the flange (15 mm wide or so) and mount nuts.
Mount the supply with bolts through the skin. Reinforce the skin area
where the bolts enter the skin. I use counter sink bolt heads
http://scassel.se/europa/cap3/images4/DSCN1029.JPG
Done !
Regards
Stephan Cassel
LN-STE Mono #556
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| Subject: | Re: Seat Foundations |
A thin bean bag is the most comfortable. It also crushes and absorbs
impact energy in a heavy landing and adjusts to any shape of butt to
give even pressure all over, the key to comfort.
imho of course. In my case comfort is more important than appearance ;-)
Graham
Peter Timm wrote:
> Troy, I made myself seat-bottoms of blue foam, but soon found out ,
> that only several layers of seat-cushions made sense.
> It is the only way to adjust the seats for different sized occupants.
> Mine is a classic mono, and I had a friend, who is 6'2" and admits to
> 235 lb, up for a 55 min. flight. He was not very comfortable sitting
> on a hard bottom with no back-cushion, but it was
> his idea. My upholstery has 1/4 " foam under the fabric
> everywhere.Three cushions of different thickness give lots of options.
> One layer is 1" temper-foam. The rest should also not be too soft.Even
> for the back, two 1" cushions are better than one 2" one.
>
> Peter Timm, # 110
>
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Hi All
I know we don't often fly in icing conditiona but this is an excellent
piece of research. Some of us (not me :-) ) fly large aircraft too. I
think it's well worth the few minutes to watch this NASA video. Learn
something every day.!
Graham
Posted by: "FlyingTiger" tiger@telis.net
<mailto:tiger@telis.net?Subject=%20Re%3AWhat%20Caused%20CO3407%20Crash%2E%2Ehmmm>
flyingtiger05 <http://profiles.yahoo.com/flyingtiger05>
Tue Feb 17, 2009 12:35 am (PST)
The video I have added as a link is a lesson for everyone. This is
fairly new information about stalls. I fly a variety of aircraft when
they become available and believe me this is an eye opener.
You think you know about stalls? Practiced them till they made you
boring? In Cessna, Piper, Grumman, whatever? Have you given any thought
about what might have caused the crash Of CO3407 recently near Buffalo
NY? The airplane was a DH8-Q400. Google that airplane and crashes...you
might be surprised.
Beyond that have a look at this video by FAA/NASA about icing that we
all should share:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2238323060735779946
<http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2238323060735779946>
It would seem we need to give much more thought to the procedures that
have been embedded into us all through our training as pilots.
Tim
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| Subject: | Re: Exhaust lagging |
Dear Europaphiles,
I agree with Gilles and Ira regarding the effectiveness of putting a
simple reflector barrier between the hot exhaust system and sensitive
areas such as oil hoses, fuel lines and carburettors. The oil return
hose from the centre of the sump is particularly vulnerable. Some years
ago, a Europa pilot in Florida had this rubber oil hose fracture in
flight because it had been embrittled by heat. He got it down OK but
there was oil everywhere.
When one stops the engine, there is a lot of radiant and convection heat
soak from the muffler into the parts above, particularly the rubber oil
return hose in the centre of the sump. I used some of the polished light
gauge stainless sheet which was supplied for the firewall (I used Graham
Singleton's phenolic firewall) to make a heat shield plate immediately
above the muffler. It is secured at the front with small brackets to 2
existing tapped holes in the engine and at the rear with 2 'p' clips to
the engine mounting frame. I put 2 diagonal creases in the shield to
prevent 'oil canning'. It works well.
Cheers, John
N262WF, mono XS, 912S
Mooresville, North Carolina
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From: Gilles Thesee <Gilles.Thesee@ac-grenoble.fr>
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Exhaust Lagging
When the shield is very close to the exhaust, or attached to it, we've
used stainless steel sheet (will have a look at the remaining sheets to
get the exact specs) with bent tabs and stainless steel clamps.
Otherwise, we attached the shield to the adjacent 'target' part. In that
case, sheet aluminum attached with screws or rivets works well. The
important thing is reflecting heat, and allowing free air passage on
both sides of the shield.
I'll retrieve some photos, and maybe craft a small page on the subject.
Hope this helps a bit.
Best regards,--
Gilles
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| Subject: | Re: Anyone have info how they mounted wing tip strobe power |
supplies?
Ron-
Mine is on the bottom of the port access panel in the baggage bay.=C2- I
ran irrigation tubing through the wings containing #18 wire for both the st
robes and position lights.=C2- I did not want to mount something that wei
ghed as much as the strobe controller in the wing.=C2- I have seen a few
mounted directly to the spar with an access panel in the wing skin.=C2- I
did not want to put another panel in the wing.=C2- The answer for you mi
ght be to use very light weight coaxial cable for the strobe portion with t
he shields well grounded and your controllers located on the port and starb
oard baggage bay access panels.=C2- =C2-
Jim Puglise
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From: rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us
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Subject: Europa-List: Anyone have info how they mounted wing tip strobe pow
er supplies?
Hi Group
Anyone have pictures and or description how they mounted wing tip strobe po
wer supplies?
I have a Kunzleman dual strobe power supply, and unless I get it at least 8
feet away from antennas, antenna cables and radios, tick, tick, tick break
ing squelch.
Thx.
Ron P.
==
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So much food for thought (especially in the light of the report that
the Buffalo aircraft was on autopilot).
How much ice has anyone seen on a Europa in flight?
Also, in the spirit of "I learned about flying from that", let me add
a comment about a lesson learned many years ago when I was flying a
PA28 in marginal icing conditions. I was watching the leading edges
very carefully and they were slightly frosty but not getting any
worse so I thought I was OK. Suddenly there was a bit of a thump and
the aircraft started vibrating very severely. It was an iced up prop
which had shed ice from one side only and the only option was to
reduce power to idle and glide down hoping the other side would melt
before reaching zero feet - it did so, perhaps helped by my red face
radiating heat forwards. Another beer I owe to my guardian angel.
Willie
On 17 Feb 2009, at 14:31, Graham Singleton wrote:
> <grahamsingleton@btinternet.com>
>
> Hi All
>
> I know we don't often fly in icing conditiona but this is an
> excellent piece of research. Some of us (not me :-) ) fly large
> aircraft too. I think it's well worth the few minutes to watch this
> NASA video. Learn something every day.!
>
> Graham
>
>
> Posted by: "FlyingTiger" tiger@telis.net
> <mailto:tiger@telis.net?Subject=%20Re%3AWhat%20Caused%20CO3407%
> 20Crash%2E%2Ehmmm>
> flyingtiger05 <http://profiles.yahoo.com/flyingtiger05>
>
>
> Tue Feb 17, 2009 12:35 am (PST)
>
> The video I have added as a link is a lesson for everyone. This is
> fairly new information about stalls. I fly a variety of aircraft
> when they become available and believe me this is an eye opener.
>
> You think you know about stalls? Practiced them till they made you
> boring? In Cessna, Piper, Grumman, whatever? Have you given any
> thought about what might have caused the crash Of CO3407 recently
> near Buffalo NY? The airplane was a DH8-Q400. Google that airplane
> and crashes...you might be surprised.
>
> Beyond that have a look at this video by FAA/NASA about icing that
> we all should share:
>
> http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2238323060735779946 <http://
> video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2238323060735779946>
>
> It would seem we need to give much more thought to the procedures
> that have been embedded into us all through our training as pilots.
>
> Tim
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Anyone have info how they mounted wing tip strobe |
power supplies?
Hi group
Thx. for the replies about strobe power supply positioning.
Jim:
"> Mine is on the bottom of the port access panel in
the baggage bay. I ran
> irrigation tubing through the wings
containing #18 wire for both the
> strobes and position lights.
A I did not want to mount something that
> weighed as much
as the strobe controller in the wing."
That's exactly what
I did, beautiful installation of my Kuntzleman power supply on the
starboard baggage bay rib. When I tested, if there is an antenna
cable (RG-400 or RG-142), radio or antenna within 8 feet of power supply,
tick, tick, tick. Nothing I tried helps. Power supply is grounded. Supply
lines are shielded, I tried no ground, ground on supply side and ground on
power supply side. I tried wrapping power supply in 2 layers of aluminium
foil figuring RFI leaking out of connectors, no joy grounded or un
grounded. I tried wrapping antenna cable with aluminium foil, grounded and
un grounded. i tried grounding antenna cable. Nothing works, have to turn
squelch up where don't get what it is I want.
The only
thing that helps is moving power supply at least 8 feet away. I hear from
a local IA that Whelen is the only powers supply he uses because he had
noise issues with others.
Kunzleman power supply is pretty
small, 10 oz and each one uses ~ 1.5 amps. I have their combo LED/strobe
heads already mounted.
When you test yours, let us know if you
have good results.
My experience is pretty much identical to
this builder:
http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford/antennas.html
Ron Parigoris
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| Subject: | Re: Anyone have info how they mounted wing tip strobe power |
supplies?
Hi Ron,
I put a single strobe power supply on the outboard end of each spar with
an access hole below.
The strobes will be uncoordinated, but I keep the high voltage wires short.
Attached some pictures, quality soso.
Access holes are a little large, because my first plan was putting the
power supplies on the lids.
Power supply attachment using reduxed McMaster-Carr studs and bid.
Light fixtures attached with cut down studs reduxed only.
Regards,
Jan de Jong
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| Subject: | Re: Anyone have info how they mounted wing tip strobe power |
supplies?
Hi Ron,
The other 3 pictures I thought to send.
Regards,
Jan de Jong
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supplies?
Jan de Jong wrote:
> The strobes will be uncoordinated, but I keep the high voltage wires
> short.
> Attached some pictures, quality soso.
> Jan de Jong
Jan
you will look like a tight formation of two aircraft ;-) . Good idea
though, especially with a composite airplane
Graham
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| Subject: | Re: Anyone have info how they mounted wing tip strobe power |
supplies?
Ron,
FWIW... Absolutely no noise problems with my Whelen strobe power
supply (mounted on the baggage bay bulkhead below "D" door). Power
supply is grounded. Strobe HV lines have shields grounded at the
power supply end and strobe shields are connected through any
connector in the link.
Also, I have the LED/Strobe heads on the Europa. The LEDs are VERY
bright! Much brighter than standard incandescent lamps. Everyone who
has seen the Nav lights on the aircraft in the air has commented on
how bright they are.
Now I have a set of Nav/Strobe heads with incandescent lamps that I'll
never use. Was going to put them on my Toot but have changed my
mind. From now on, only LED units go on my aircraft!
Check six,
Bob Borger
Europa Kit #A221 N914XL, XS Mono, Intercooled 914, Airmaster C/S
http://www.europaowners.org/N914XL
Aircraft Flying!
3705 Lynchburg Dr.
Corinth, TX 76208
Home: 940-497-2123
Cel: 817-992-1117
On Feb 17, 2009, at 10:20, rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us wrote:
> Hi group
>
> Thx. for the replies about strobe power supply positioning.
>
> Jim:
> "> Mine is on the bottom of the port access panel in the baggage
> bay. I ran
> > irrigation tubing through the wings containing #18 wire for both the
> > strobes and position lights. A I did not want to mount something
> that
> > weighed as much as the strobe controller in the wing."
>
> That's exactly what I did, beautiful installation of my Kuntzleman
> power supply on the starboard baggage bay rib. When I tested, if
> there is an antenna cable (RG-400 or RG-142), radio or antenna
> within 8 feet of power supply, tick, tick, tick. Nothing I tried
> helps. Power supply is grounded. Supply lines are shielded, I tried
> no ground, ground on supply side and ground on power supply side. I
> tried wrapping power supply in 2 layers of aluminium foil figuring
> RFI leaking out of connectors, no joy grounded or un grounded. I
> tried wrapping antenna cable with aluminium foil, grounded and un
> grounded. i tried grounding antenna cable. Nothing works, have to
> turn squelch up where don't get what it is I want.
>
> The only thing that helps is moving power supply at least 8 feet
> away. I hear from a local IA that Whelen is the only powers supply
> he uses because he had noise issues with others.
>
> Kunzleman power supply is pretty small, 10 oz and each one uses ~
> 1.5 amps. I have their combo LED/strobe heads already mounted.
>
> When you test yours, let us know if you have good results.
>
> My experience is pretty much identical to this builder:
> http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford/antennas.html
>
> Ron Parigoris
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| Subject: | DOTH Thursday 19th Leicester |
Hi Folks,
Now the snow has melted and my strip is finally workable, I feel it
is time for a DOTH. Looking for somewhere in the midlands with a hard
runway, I see there is a voucher in the Pilot for our old favourite
Leicester. So how about there at 1200ish on Thursday (19th)?
Should the weather not turn out as good as currently forecast, I've
got Friday clear too, so we could use that as a backup.
All the best, Paddy
Paddy Clarke
Europa G-KIMM
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| Subject: | Re: Wing close-out panel |
Hi Lance,
Having now read all the emails I noticed that the 5th picture I attached
Re Strobe power supply placement shows a wing just before final closing
in the process of Neville Eyre: after first stage fitting and subsequent
sanding of redux-flox buildup and with tops of aileron mass boxes removed.
Maybe a useful illustration.
Regards,
Jan de Jong
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| Subject: | Re: Anyone have info how they mounted wing tip strobe power |
supplies?
On Feb 17, 2009, at 2:18 PM, Robert Borger wrote:
> FWIW... Absolutely no noise problems with my Whelen strobe power
> supply (mounted on the baggage bay bulkhead below "D" door). Power
> supply is grounded. Strobe HV lines have shields grounded at the
> power supply end and strobe shields are connected through any
> connector in the link.
Bob,
What is your set up for your antenna(s)?
Fred
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| Subject: | Re: Anyone have info how they mounted wing tip strobe |
power supplies?
Hi Jan
"> I put a single strobe power supply on the outboard end of
each spar with
> an access hole below.
> The strobes
will be uncoordinated, but I keep the high voltage wires
>
short."
Thx. for the reply.
Did you run the
strobes yet to see if they radiated RFI into the antenna? 108mhz
seems bout worst for me.
This is pretty much what I saw with my
Kuntzleman dual strobe mounted on the starboard baggage bay rib:
http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford/antennas.html
Ron P.
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| Subject: | Re: Anyone have info how they mounted wing tip strobe power |
supplies?
Fred,
I have a Bob Archer Model 6 big E antenna in the tail with the coax
running forward to the center seam then down the fuselage port side
seam thence following the fuselage seam to the firewall.
I have an AAE VHF-5T mounted vertically on the port side window frame
down to the floor with the connector at the fuselage seam and the coax
running along the seam forward to the firewall.
I have two Bob Archer Model 7 "V" antennas for VHF Nav.
One mounted on the bottom of the fuselage aft of the baggage bay with
the coax running down the center line to the front of the lower
baggage bay where it turns port and runs up the fuselage to the seam
and then forward to the firewall.
The second is in the area over the baggage bay with the coax running
forward to the back door frame where it turns port and down to the
fuselage seam then forward to the firewall.
Finally, I have a Bob Archer Model 5 Transponder antenna mounted on
the port side of the balance arm containment with the coax running
down to the bottom and up the side of the fuselage to the seam and
forward to the firewall.
All the antenna coax run down the port side fuselage seam All
electrical stuff runs down the starboard side fuselage seam. Not sure
all that is necessary, but it doesn't hurt either.
I have not had the opportunity to work with the VORs yet so I can't
say how that antenna arrangement works for sure.
I hope that helps.
Bob Borger
Europa Kit #A221 N914XL, XS Mono, Intercooled 914, Airmaster C/S
http://www.europaowners.org/N914XL
Aircraft Flying!
3705 Lynchburg Dr.
Corinth, TX 76208
Home: 940-497-2123
On Feb 17, 2009, at 18:43, Fred Klein wrote:
>
>
> On Feb 17, 2009, at 2:18 PM, Robert Borger wrote:
>
>> FWIW... Absolutely no noise problems with my Whelen strobe power
>> supply (mounted on the baggage bay bulkhead below "D" door). Power
>> supply is grounded. Strobe HV lines have shields grounded at the
>> power supply end and strobe shields are connected through any
>> connector in the link (eg. fuselage to wings).
>
> Bob,
>
> What is your set up for your antenna(s)?
>
> Fred
> A194
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| Subject: | Re: Anyone have info how they mounted wing tip strobe power |
supplies?
Bob...thanks for all this info...sounds like an exquisite
installation...I have a couple questions, inserted and indented below.
> I have a Bob Archer Model 6 big E antenna in the tail with the coax
> running forward to the center seam then down the fuselage port side
> seam thence following the fuselage seam to the firewall.
I take it the coax is on the centerline of the "roof" (not the floor)
of the fuselage.
> I have an AAE VHF-5T mounted vertically on the port side window
> frame down to the floor with the connector at the fuselage seam and
> the coax running along the seam forward to the firewall.
ok
> I have two Bob Archer Model 7 "V" antennas for VHF Nav.
Why two?...Are you running dual Navs? Are you IFR equipped?
(Note: The Aviator's Guide to GPS sez the FAA's phase-out of the
whole VOR/DME network is expected to be complete by 2010...or has
that been postponed?)
> One mounted on the bottom of the fuselage aft of the baggage bay
> with the coax running down the center line to the front of the lower
> baggage bay where it turns port and runs up the fuselage to the seam
> and then forward to the firewall.
ok
> The second is in the area over the baggage bay with the coax running
> forward to the back door frame where it turns port and down to the
> fuselage seam then forward to the firewall.
Is this antenna superimposed over the coax from the Big E?
> Finally, I have a Bob Archer Model 5 Transponder antenna mounted on
> the port side of the balance arm containment with the coax running
> down to the bottom and up the side of the fuselage to the seam and
> forward to the firewall.
ok
> All the antenna coax run down the port side fuselage seam All
> electrical stuff runs down the starboard side fuselage seam. Not
> sure all that is necessary, but it doesn't hurt either.
better safe than sorry
> I have not had the opportunity to work with the VORs yet so I can't
> say how that antenna arrangement works for sure.
please let us know
> I hope that helps.
indeed it does, especially for this RF-challenged guy...thanks again
Fred
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