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1. 12:36 AM - Re: LED landing lights (rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us)
2. 12:54 AM - Re: Rigging/Derigging (Frans Veldman)
3. 12:57 AM - Re: Coolant temperature indicator (Frans Veldman)
4. 02:53 AM - Re: Rigging/Derigging (G-IANI)
5. 03:26 AM - Re: Rigging/Derigging (Richard Sementilli)
6. 04:05 AM - Re: Rigging/Derigging (David Watts)
7. 04:05 AM - Re: Rigging/Derigging (Steve Hagar)
8. 04:18 AM - Re: Rigging/Derigging (Frans Veldman)
9. 05:26 AM - Re: sun n fun (pjeffers@talktalk.net)
10. 06:34 AM - Re: Coolant temperature indicator (Paul McAllister)
11. 06:48 AM - Re: tank support layups (Rowland Carson)
12. 10:44 AM - Re: sun n fun (Bryan Allsop)
13. 10:56 AM - Re: Re: Strobe wiring (JR Gowing)
14. 11:48 AM - Re: Seat foundations (JR Gowing)
15. 01:33 PM - Garmin 328 Mode S Transponder ... (Robert C Harrison)
16. 01:41 PM - Re: Rigging/Derigging (craig bastin)
17. 02:34 PM - Re: Mod 72 Reamer (Paul Boulet)
18. 04:30 PM - pictures (Graham Higgins)
19. 08:19 PM - Re: LED LANDING LIGHTS (rparigoris)
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Subject: | Re: LED landing lights |
Hi Chick
I took a look at JC Whitneys LEDs
http://www.jcwhitney.com/autoparts/ProductBrowse?storeId=10101&Pr=p_Product.CATENTRY_ID:2017635&productId 17635&catalogId=10101
They look like the same Fog driving LEDs that Pep Boys sells. Pep
Boys sell them for 49.99 for pack of two.
I purchesed both the
round and rectangle LEDs to fool with and a Kitfox builder wanted the one
that looked more suitable, so I am going to return the round and send him
the rectangle.
I checked the rectangle one tonight and sure
enough it makes a lot of noise in a handheld vertex VXA-700. What is
making the noise is the regulator that drops battery voltage down to LED
voltage. The package I have has a button you can push and run one LED off
two button batteries that are supplied in package and radio is dead
silent.
Anyway you need to find a cleaner way to supply
voltage to the LEDs, don't use supplied regulators or clean them up.
I will put up a few pics in gallery in near future with.
Ron Parigoris
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Subject: | Re: Rigging/Derigging |
Hi Roland,
> Hi all! I'm interested in buying a Europa XS Trigear. I have the
> opportunity to keep it at home. Since the factory advertises it as no
> problem, rigging the aircraft within 5 Minutes and drive home with
> it, this is really an issue to reduce the running costs. Onother
> advantage would be the possibility to fill up the tank at the filling
> station much cheaper and do maintanance at home.
These were exactly our (me and wife) considerations. Although we are not
yet flying, we are already very customed to rig the airplane (for
various purposes during the build process). Rigging can easily be done
within 5 minutes, provided you take care during the build. Especially
important is it to make sure the pip-pins go in smouthly, and to make
the proper wing spar guides.
We estimate that the overhead in time of keeping the airplane at home is
very small. We have to drive to the airport anyway, with or without
plane. If the plane would be kept at the airport, we would most likely
loose a lot of time by shuffling around other airplanes so ours could
get out. Also, filling up the tanks would be faster at the local gas
station (on the way to the airport) rather than doing this at the
airport (with an additional start- and shut-down sequence, additional
paperwork), provided they have mogas at all.
Also, doing maintenance at home (where all the tools are kept) will be
much faster than to do it at an airport, where you have to carefully
estimate which tools you need to bring from home, probably forget
something, and have to drive quite a lot between airport and home.
Another advantage is that we can easily decide to take off from another
airport, in case our default airport is covered in clouds.
The possibility to keep the airplane at home was one of the main reasons
we choosed to build an Europa.
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Frans Veldman
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Subject: | Re: Coolant temperature indicator |
Hi Paul,
> I suspect that picture you saw of a coolant tank with a sensor mounted
> in it was a modified unit that Cliff Shaw made. I did something
> similar. I took my tank to the Lincoln Welder demonstration stand
> last year at the Oshkosh airshow and had them weld a patch of aluminum
> on it to make it thicker so I could put a NPT thread in it.
Yes, I think I saw one of these.
> Although
> this approach is more elegant than putting in a T in the host, it does
> require a whole lot more effort.
It does indeed. I will have to make my mind up for this.
BTW, how much information does this coolant temperature indicator
provide, if you also have cylinder head temperature indicators? Is it
overkill, or does it make sense?
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Best regards,
Frans Veldman
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Subject: | Rigging/Derigging |
Roland
We operate G-IANI from her trailer. This normally remains parked at the
airfield but we could just as well drive it home.
It really does only take 5 minutes to derig the aircraft and close up the
trailer. This is with two people who know the aircraft well (both pilots)
and is on grass. Single handed rigging is not something we have tried and
would be quite difficult on grass.
Rigging the aircraft takes a little longer as we combine rigging with the
"A" check for the day.
Ian Rickard G-IANI XS Trigear, 250 hours
Europa Club Mods Rep (Trigear)
e-mail mods@europaclub.org.uk
or direct g-iani@ntlworld.com
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Subject: | Re: Rigging/Derigging |
Hello Roland,
I rig and derig my Europa XS tailrdragger by myself. It does not take
5 minutes, even with 2 people, plus I have "wing walkers" that hold my
wings in place. It takes me 15 minutes just to line up one wing
exactly where I want it so I can just slide them in
Are you building a plane or are you in the market to buy one? Mine is for sale.
Thanks,
Richard Sementilli
N141EW
On 2/21/09, Roland <schmidtroland@web.de> wrote:
>
> Hi all!
> I'm interested in buying a Europa XS Trigear. I have the opportunity to keep
> it at home.
> Since the factory advertises it as no problem, rigging the aircraft within 5
> Minutes and drive home with it, this is really an issue to reduce the
> running costs. Onother advantage would be the possibility to fill up the
> tank at the filling station much cheaper and do maintanance at home.
> Is there anyone of you who rigs his aircraft before any flight? How long
> does it take you from the trailer in the air and is it inevitable doing this
> with two persons?
> Any comments most welcome!
> Roland
>
>
> Visit - www.EuropaOwners.org
>
>
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Subject: | Re: Rigging/Derigging |
For the first few years of operating our Europa monowheel we trailered it
every flight (200 hours a year so a lot of flights).
We were timed on several occasions by various people and on each occassion
it took less than five minutes from switching the car off to being ready to
fly. The same at the end of the flight.
Dave Watts
G-BXDY coming up to 1400 hours
>
> Hi all!
> I'm interested in buying a Europa XS Trigear. I have the opportunity to
> keep it at home.
> Since the factory advertises it as no problem, rigging the aircraft within
> 5 Minutes and drive home with it, this is really an issue to reduce the
> running costs. Onother advantage would be the possibility to fill up the
> tank at the filling station much cheaper and do maintanance at home.
> Is there anyone of you who rigs his aircraft before any flight? How long
> does it take you from the trailer in the air and is it inevitable doing
> this with two persons?
> Any comments most welcome!
> Roland
>
>
> Visit - www.EuropaOwners.org
>
>
>
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Subject: | Rigging/Derigging |
Roland:
I have gone through the routine quite a few times and 5 minutes seems
quite a stretch. You spend more time opening a hangar up pulling the plane
out and closing the hangar up. As noted somewhere else the initial build
is very, very important unless you want to spend a bunch of time bumping
and jiggeling things to get them to line up. A two person operation will be
the most expedient way. I spend 5 minutes just unsecuring the plane from
the trailer and removing fixturing. I figure 15 to 20 minutes before I can
start doing the preflight. Then again I have a mono and have a dolly
that holds the plane up without the wings on . That takes a couple of
minutes to remove.
The biggest pain is handling everything. No matter what there are always
the small dings, bumps, and scrapes. You just about have to wear clean
cotton gloves to keep everything looking good.
Steve Hagar
A143
Mesa, AZ
> [Original Message]
> From: Roland <schmidtroland@web.de>
> To: <europa-list@matronics.com>
> Date: 2/21/2009 12:51:23 AM
> Subject: Europa-List: Rigging/Derigging
>
>
> Hi all!
> I'm interested in buying a Europa XS Trigear. I have the opportunity to
keep it at home.
> Since the factory advertises it as no problem, rigging the aircraft
within 5 Minutes and drive home with it, this is really an issue to reduce
the running costs. Onother advantage would be the possibility to fill up
the tank at the filling station much cheaper and do maintanance at home.
> Is there anyone of you who rigs his aircraft before any flight? How long
does it take you from the trailer in the air and is it inevitable doing
this with two persons?
> Any comments most welcome!
> Roland
>
>
> Visit - www.EuropaOwners.org
>
>
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Subject: | Re: Rigging/Derigging |
Richard Sementilli wrote:
> It takes me 15 minutes just to line up one wing
> exactly where I want it so I can just slide them in
How is that possible? We don't care about lining up the wing, we just
push it in and it has nowhere to go, except for just the right spot.
When the wing can not be pushed any further, no other manoeuvring is
necessary, we can just slide in the various pins to secure the wing. We
have glassed in a small ridge that guides the spar to its destination,
and made funnel shaped flap root extensions so they catch the pin
without any intervention.
> Are you building a plane or are you in the market to buy one? Mine is for sale.
Well, you just let the cat out of the bag about the time it takes to rig
your airplane... ;-)
Anyway, I guess with some small modifications it would be possible to
make any Europa easy and fast to rig.
--
Frans Veldman
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Hi Rowland,
Sue & I are in Florida at present and will be for 5 weeks.? If you would like us
to bring it back for you we would be more than happy. If interested i will give
you our address off forum.
We actually return UK 27th March.
Pete & Sue
-----Original Message-----
From: Rowland Carson <rowil@clara.net>
Sent: Sat, 21 Feb 2009 0:36
Subject: Europa-List: sun n fun
?
I'm considering purchasing a Trutrak single-axis autopilot, and wondering in the
light of recent postings about the difficulty of exporting strategic material
outside of USA borders whether someone from UK attending Sun n Fun might be
prepared to pick it up and bring it back with them. The Trutrak people say they
don't sell or deliver any goods at the exhibition but they are happy to ship
to a US address for pickup there. Is there anyone likely to be staying at a known
address long enough to cover the likely delivery window??
?
regards?
?
Rowland?
-- | Rowland Carson LAA #16532 http://home.clara.net/rowil/aviation/?
| 1190 hours building Europa #435 G-ROWI e-mail <rowil@clara.net>?
?
?
?
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Subject: | Re: Coolant temperature indicator |
Hi Frans,
I am in the fortunate situation where I had a couple of coolant tanks
that was among a bunch of Rotax parts that I purchased from a guy who
was doing research and development for the military in the '90's.
I haven't actually installed mine yet, but the engine is currently in
at the Rotax dealer to have some oil leaks repaired and I will have it
installed at that time. I have a Grand Rapids EIS that has inputs for
two CHT's and the water sensor so it is an easy task for me to
instrument it.
Rotax discusses the combination of CHT's and coolant temperature
measurement in a recent SB about reverting back from Evans to a water
glycol mix. I would suggest that you read through the SB, I think it
should cover most questions.
In my opinion measuring coolant temperature makes a lot of sense, it
gives an earlier warning of issues in the case of a burst hose or
coolant boiling. Graham Singleton often tells me that if he had
coolant temperature sensing in his aircraft he would have known about
his pending issue and not taken off and had his subsequent accident.
If your airplane isn't flying yet, then the effort is a lot less, if
it were me I'd probably just go do it.
Regards, Paul
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Subject: | tank support layups |
At 2009-02-21 08:59 +0000 Robert C Harrison wrote:
>I recall that the tank needs to be as high as possible ( when
>viewed with the assembly in the "flying mode") This is to ensure that
>the wing spars do not conflict with the ledge of tank which runs across
>the width of the a/c.
Bob - thanks for that reminder. I think I can check it without
actually going to the bother of re-rigging the wings to the cockpit
module
>I don't understand your statement " flush with the bottom of the cockpit
>module"? Do you mean "bottom" to mean the area which sits on the floor
>of the fuselage
Yes, I meant the part that will at the bottom when everything is right way up.
>the radius of
>the tank bottom does NOT sit on the fuselage it sits on more lay ups
>between it and the fuselage bottom
I don't see any references in the manual to any layups under the tank
(when it is right-way-up) apart from the t-section ones I've
mentioned. The drawing in the manual shows the bottom of the tank
fairly much in line with the bottom of the baggage bay and seat parts
of the cockpit module.
regards
Rowland
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| Rowland Carson LAA #16532 http://home.clara.net/rowil/aviation/
| 1190 hours building Europa #435 G-ROWI e-mail <rowil@clara.net>
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Hi Roland=2C
I will be here till early May=2C if that helps.
Best regards. Bryan
> Date: Sat=2C 21 Feb 2009 00:36:11 +0000
> To: europa-list@matronics.com
> From: rowil@clara.net
> Subject: Europa-List: sun n fun
>
>
> I'm considering purchasing a Trutrak single-axis autopilot=2C and
> wondering in the light of recent postings about the difficulty of
> exporting strategic material outside of USA borders whether someone
> from UK attending Sun n Fun might be prepared to pick it up and bring
> it back with them. The Trutrak people say they don't sell or deliver
> any goods at the exhibition but they are happy to ship to a US
> address for pickup there. Is there anyone likely to be staying at a
> known address long enough to cover the likely delivery window?
>
> regards
>
> Rowland
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Subject: | Re: Strobe wiring |
John
I am pleased to hear your system goes so well as I have put mine in the sam
e way except that I used auto connectors for the wires.
I remember your nice set-up well since my visit with my daughter some many
years back!
However I am still slugging away at building!
Rotax 912 UL S arrived during the week.
JR (Bob) Gowing UK Kit 327 in Oz
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From: TELEDYNMCS@aol.com
To: europa-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2009 1:08 AM
Subject: Europa-List: Re: Strobe wiring
In a message dated 2/20/2009 3:02:52 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, europa-l
ist@matronics.com writes:
>>>>>I know that this may be a little late for those of you who have al
ready
bought their strobe power units, but my installation works well without
any interference. I have Whelen equipment and I mounted an HTS power
supply at each wing tip. They are mounted on removable panels on the
bottom surface. There is a weight penalty of about 1 pound compared to
a
single HDA power supply in the fuselage but all the high voltage cables
are short and at the tip. No problems.<<<<
Hey John and all,
Follwing the K.I.S.S. principle, I used a single Whelen strobe power supp
ly mounted to one of the vertical baggage bay support members under the por
t side of the baggage bay and my install does not cause any audio interfere
nce whatsoever. Access to the power supply is through the port access cover
in the baggage bay floor. The power supply fires strobes on the wing tips
with the cables routed from the power supply along the bottom side of the b
aggage bay, then along the sides of the baggage bay in the cockpit in fiber
glass raceways which extend from the baggage bay bulkhead forward to the re
ar of the door sill. I installed these raceways along and over the fuselage
seams on the sides of the baggage bay, covering the seam, as well as provi
ding a conduit for wiring. The wires then pass down into the backrest and o
ut the side of the fuselage through grommeted holes in the fuselage sides j
ust behind the spar opening in the side of the fuselage. The raceways I mad
e were molded over a piece of 1.5=22 PVC pipe cut lengthways to produce a 1/3
rd round shape. Then with the PVC taped to a piece of plywood, 3 layers of
'bid were used to make the molding. A 1/2=22 flange was left either side of t
he rounded part to leave a bonding flange for bonding to the inside side of
the fuselage.
My system is quiet as a mouse without the faintest hint of strobe tick. T
he secret to keeping your strobes quiet first and foremost is how you groun
d the shield wires on the strobe high tension feeder cabling. The shield wi
res should be grounded only on the power supply end. I crimped, then solder
ed a ring terminal to the shield wire at the power supply end of the strobe
wires, then landed the ring terminal under one of the mounting screws for
the power supply so that the shield wire has continuity with the power supp
ly case (which is grounded). Do not ground the other end of the shield wire
at the light. If you do, you will create a loop antenna and a host of prob
lems will follow.
I used six pin Molex plugs and sockets at the wing roots and fuselage sid
es so that I would be able to disconnect the strobe and Nav light wiring wh
en the wings are removed. The shield wire must also be carried through at t
his point. At the light end, I simply cut the shield wire off even with the
cable jacket and stuck a piece of heat shrink tubing on the strobe cable t
o make it look pretty, allowing the strobe feeder wires to carry through a
few inches beyond the cable jacket. The strobe feeder wires exit the end of
the heat shrink, along with the NAV wires which are routed on the outside
of the strobe cable, taped to the strobe cabling about every 6=22 along the l
ength of the strobe cable and then carry on to the NAV light. I also instal
led 6 pin Molex plugs at the light to make for easy removal of the light if
and when it fails, but the shield does not need to be included here. The p
lug/socket on the light end makes for easy removal of the light fixture for
replacement of the strobe and NAV bulbs when the time comes or replacement
of the fixture should it become damaged, but this step could be omitted. A
nother thing that is very important is to not route any other wiring with y
our radio and intercom audio wires, especially the strobe feeds and the tri
m motor wiring. Keep all other wiring separated from your audio wires by at
least a few inches.
I've installed Whelen strobe/Nav combo lights, grounding the shield in th
is manner, in 3 different airplanes thus far and all three are/were quiet a
s a mouse.
Hope it helps!
Regards,
John Lawton
Whitwell, TN (TN89)
N245E - Flying
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Subject: | Re: Seat foundations |
Fred
I cut my headrest foam pieces yesterday as fill in job. I don't have ply or
hinges yet.
The reason for writing is just to say that I have gone quite the opposite w
ay to your plush seating!
My seats are formed with 4 plies of BID formed on a standard plastic chair
used in public halls. These are suspended on a pair of side pieces of ply
with an array of holes to take shoot bolts on the bottom front edge of the
seat. The rear of the seat is supended on a seat belt that will have to go
under your headrest hinge to the restraint point in addition to the seat be
lt ends.
Bob Gowing UK Kit 327 on Oz
Do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: Fred Klein
To: europa-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2009 10:21 AM
Subject: Europa-List: Seat foundations
$259 sounds like a good deal.
Using 1=22 of blue & 1=22 of green Confor foam, 16 x 18, for the seats, and
1=22 of uphostery foam for the back (rolled around a core of blue and green c
ut-offs for lumbar support)...plus assorted uphostery foam wedges...I think
I spent close to $300. I allowed the seat foam to cantilever forward of th
e thigh support for additional thigh support for my long legs. Seat backs a
re separate, and (temporarily) supported by foam blocks in photo.
That Confor foam is really great stuff...very comfortable.
Fred
A194
Roll 52 - 69
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Subject: | Garmin 328 Mode S Transponder ... |
I can concur with Mike Parkin that there is about 1/4" spare room for
the wiring tail and antennae connections behind the fire wall.
Mine is complete (but not tested yet in flight)
Any one caring to make an offer for a Garmin 320 Alpha Charlie I'd be
pleased to hear from you !
Bob Harrison G-PTAG
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Subject: | Rigging/Derigging |
I am still under construction on my trike, but I would say 5 minutes
would be about right for a trike. I have to pull the plane out of the
workshop
first then get the wings one at at time. I slide the port wing in first and
push the pins half way in. then starboard and lock both pins in fully. the
tail
planes are about 30 seconds each. Mind you it did take me a while to get the
hang of it but i have it sorted now during my build so come flying time i
figure
it will be easy. the manual does say its worth making guides to help align
the
spars which I did. before the guides it was awkward to rig even with two
people.
craig
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Frans
Veldman
Sent: Saturday, 21 February 2009 10:16 PM
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Rigging/Derigging
Richard Sementilli wrote:
> It takes me 15 minutes just to line up one wing
> exactly where I want it so I can just slide them in
How is that possible? We don't care about lining up the wing, we just
push it in and it has nowhere to go, except for just the right spot.
When the wing can not be pushed any further, no other manoeuvring is
necessary, we can just slide in the various pins to secure the wing. We
have glassed in a small ridge that guides the spar to its destination,
and made funnel shaped flap root extensions so they catch the pin
without any intervention.
> Are you building a plane or are you in the market to buy one? Mine is for
sale.
Well, you just let the cat out of the bag about the time it takes to rig
your airplane... ;-)
Anyway, I guess with some small modifications it would be possible to
make any Europa easy and fast to rig.
--
Frans Veldman
Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
19:22:00
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It looks like you're it!- I had my mod professionally done by Phoenix Com
posites...cost me plenty but certainly had no headaches.- Send me the $5
and I'll post it out same day
Paul Boulet
20512 Little Rock Way
Malibu, CA- 90265
--- On Fri, 2/20/09, Greg Fuchs <gregoryf.flyboy@comcast.net> wrote:
From: Greg Fuchs <gregoryf.flyboy@comcast.net>
Subject: RE: Europa-List: Mod 72 Reamer
Keep me in mind when finished, I could use it anytime soon as well. The mod
has been sitting around in a plastic bag for quite awhile now, and I shoul
d get them installed.
Regards, Greg Fuchs A050
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er@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Paul Boulet
Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2009 7:40 PM
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Mod 72 Reamer
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I have one.- Send me the $5 for postage and I'll send it out right away.
Paul Boulet
20512 Little Rock Way
Malibu , CA - 90265-5324
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- -I am in need of the Mod 72 reamer.- I have seen several change ha
nds from thegroup.- Does anyone have one they would make available to me.
- I will pass it onafter I use it.Thanks,Bill McClellanA164 - - -
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Hi All,
Frequently mention is made on this forum of pictures included with the
article of maybe linked to it. I never get either. Am I missing something?
Can someone tell this computer newby how I go about setting up to get
pictures?
Regards Graham Higgins, in Oz.
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Hi Chuck
I put up some picture and info about Fog LEDs:
http://www.europaowners.org/modules.php?set_albumName=album271&op=modload&name=gallery&file=index&include=view_album.php
Ron Parigoris
Visit - www.EuropaOwners.org
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