---------------------------------------------------------- Europa-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sat 02/21/09: 19 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 12:36 AM - Re: LED landing lights (rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us) 2. 12:54 AM - Re: Rigging/Derigging (Frans Veldman) 3. 12:57 AM - Re: Coolant temperature indicator (Frans Veldman) 4. 02:53 AM - Re: Rigging/Derigging (G-IANI) 5. 03:26 AM - Re: Rigging/Derigging (Richard Sementilli) 6. 04:05 AM - Re: Rigging/Derigging (David Watts) 7. 04:05 AM - Re: Rigging/Derigging (Steve Hagar) 8. 04:18 AM - Re: Rigging/Derigging (Frans Veldman) 9. 05:26 AM - Re: sun n fun (pjeffers@talktalk.net) 10. 06:34 AM - Re: Coolant temperature indicator (Paul McAllister) 11. 06:48 AM - Re: tank support layups (Rowland Carson) 12. 10:44 AM - Re: sun n fun (Bryan Allsop) 13. 10:56 AM - Re: Re: Strobe wiring (JR Gowing) 14. 11:48 AM - Re: Seat foundations (JR Gowing) 15. 01:33 PM - Garmin 328 Mode S Transponder ... (Robert C Harrison) 16. 01:41 PM - Re: Rigging/Derigging (craig bastin) 17. 02:34 PM - Re: Mod 72 Reamer (Paul Boulet) 18. 04:30 PM - pictures (Graham Higgins) 19. 08:19 PM - Re: LED LANDING LIGHTS (rparigoris) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 12:36:19 AM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: LED landing lights From: rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us Hi Chick I took a look at JC Whitneys LEDs http://www.jcwhitney.com/autoparts/ProductBrowse?storeId=10101&Pr=p_Product.CATENTRY_ID:2017635&productId 17635&catalogId=10101 They look like the same Fog driving LEDs that Pep Boys sells. Pep Boys sell them for 49.99 for pack of two. I purchesed both the round and rectangle LEDs to fool with and a Kitfox builder wanted the one that looked more suitable, so I am going to return the round and send him the rectangle. I checked the rectangle one tonight and sure enough it makes a lot of noise in a handheld vertex VXA-700. What is making the noise is the regulator that drops battery voltage down to LED voltage. The package I have has a button you can push and run one LED off two button batteries that are supplied in package and radio is dead silent. Anyway you need to find a cleaner way to supply voltage to the LEDs, don't use supplied regulators or clean them up. I will put up a few pics in gallery in near future with. Ron Parigoris ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 12:54:12 AM PST US From: Frans Veldman Subject: Re: Europa-List: Rigging/Derigging Hi Roland, > Hi all! I'm interested in buying a Europa XS Trigear. I have the > opportunity to keep it at home. Since the factory advertises it as no > problem, rigging the aircraft within 5 Minutes and drive home with > it, this is really an issue to reduce the running costs. Onother > advantage would be the possibility to fill up the tank at the filling > station much cheaper and do maintanance at home. These were exactly our (me and wife) considerations. Although we are not yet flying, we are already very customed to rig the airplane (for various purposes during the build process). Rigging can easily be done within 5 minutes, provided you take care during the build. Especially important is it to make sure the pip-pins go in smouthly, and to make the proper wing spar guides. We estimate that the overhead in time of keeping the airplane at home is very small. We have to drive to the airport anyway, with or without plane. If the plane would be kept at the airport, we would most likely loose a lot of time by shuffling around other airplanes so ours could get out. Also, filling up the tanks would be faster at the local gas station (on the way to the airport) rather than doing this at the airport (with an additional start- and shut-down sequence, additional paperwork), provided they have mogas at all. Also, doing maintenance at home (where all the tools are kept) will be much faster than to do it at an airport, where you have to carefully estimate which tools you need to bring from home, probably forget something, and have to drive quite a lot between airport and home. Another advantage is that we can easily decide to take off from another airport, in case our default airport is covered in clouds. The possibility to keep the airplane at home was one of the main reasons we choosed to build an Europa. -- Frans Veldman ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 12:57:42 AM PST US From: Frans Veldman Subject: Re: Europa-List: Coolant temperature indicator Hi Paul, > I suspect that picture you saw of a coolant tank with a sensor mounted > in it was a modified unit that Cliff Shaw made. I did something > similar. I took my tank to the Lincoln Welder demonstration stand > last year at the Oshkosh airshow and had them weld a patch of aluminum > on it to make it thicker so I could put a NPT thread in it. Yes, I think I saw one of these. > Although > this approach is more elegant than putting in a T in the host, it does > require a whole lot more effort. It does indeed. I will have to make my mind up for this. BTW, how much information does this coolant temperature indicator provide, if you also have cylinder head temperature indicators? Is it overkill, or does it make sense? -- Best regards, Frans Veldman ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 02:53:09 AM PST US From: "G-IANI" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Rigging/Derigging Roland We operate G-IANI from her trailer. This normally remains parked at the airfield but we could just as well drive it home. It really does only take 5 minutes to derig the aircraft and close up the trailer. This is with two people who know the aircraft well (both pilots) and is on grass. Single handed rigging is not something we have tried and would be quite difficult on grass. Rigging the aircraft takes a little longer as we combine rigging with the "A" check for the day. Ian Rickard G-IANI XS Trigear, 250 hours Europa Club Mods Rep (Trigear) e-mail mods@europaclub.org.uk or direct g-iani@ntlworld.com ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 03:26:09 AM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: Rigging/Derigging From: Richard Sementilli Hello Roland, I rig and derig my Europa XS tailrdragger by myself. It does not take 5 minutes, even with 2 people, plus I have "wing walkers" that hold my wings in place. It takes me 15 minutes just to line up one wing exactly where I want it so I can just slide them in Are you building a plane or are you in the market to buy one? Mine is for sale. Thanks, Richard Sementilli N141EW On 2/21/09, Roland wrote: > > Hi all! > I'm interested in buying a Europa XS Trigear. I have the opportunity to keep > it at home. > Since the factory advertises it as no problem, rigging the aircraft within 5 > Minutes and drive home with it, this is really an issue to reduce the > running costs. Onother advantage would be the possibility to fill up the > tank at the filling station much cheaper and do maintanance at home. > Is there anyone of you who rigs his aircraft before any flight? How long > does it take you from the trailer in the air and is it inevitable doing this > with two persons? > Any comments most welcome! > Roland > > > Visit - www.EuropaOwners.org > > -- Sent from my mobile device ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 04:05:07 AM PST US From: "David Watts" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Rigging/Derigging For the first few years of operating our Europa monowheel we trailered it every flight (200 hours a year so a lot of flights). We were timed on several occasions by various people and on each occassion it took less than five minutes from switching the car off to being ready to fly. The same at the end of the flight. Dave Watts G-BXDY coming up to 1400 hours > > Hi all! > I'm interested in buying a Europa XS Trigear. I have the opportunity to > keep it at home. > Since the factory advertises it as no problem, rigging the aircraft within > 5 Minutes and drive home with it, this is really an issue to reduce the > running costs. Onother advantage would be the possibility to fill up the > tank at the filling station much cheaper and do maintanance at home. > Is there anyone of you who rigs his aircraft before any flight? How long > does it take you from the trailer in the air and is it inevitable doing > this with two persons? > Any comments most welcome! > Roland > > > Visit - www.EuropaOwners.org > > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 04:05:08 AM PST US From: "Steve Hagar" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Rigging/Derigging Roland: I have gone through the routine quite a few times and 5 minutes seems quite a stretch. You spend more time opening a hangar up pulling the plane out and closing the hangar up. As noted somewhere else the initial build is very, very important unless you want to spend a bunch of time bumping and jiggeling things to get them to line up. A two person operation will be the most expedient way. I spend 5 minutes just unsecuring the plane from the trailer and removing fixturing. I figure 15 to 20 minutes before I can start doing the preflight. Then again I have a mono and have a dolly that holds the plane up without the wings on . That takes a couple of minutes to remove. The biggest pain is handling everything. No matter what there are always the small dings, bumps, and scrapes. You just about have to wear clean cotton gloves to keep everything looking good. Steve Hagar A143 Mesa, AZ > [Original Message] > From: Roland > To: > Date: 2/21/2009 12:51:23 AM > Subject: Europa-List: Rigging/Derigging > > > Hi all! > I'm interested in buying a Europa XS Trigear. I have the opportunity to keep it at home. > Since the factory advertises it as no problem, rigging the aircraft within 5 Minutes and drive home with it, this is really an issue to reduce the running costs. Onother advantage would be the possibility to fill up the tank at the filling station much cheaper and do maintanance at home. > Is there anyone of you who rigs his aircraft before any flight? How long does it take you from the trailer in the air and is it inevitable doing this with two persons? > Any comments most welcome! > Roland > > > Visit - www.EuropaOwners.org > > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 04:18:39 AM PST US From: Frans Veldman Subject: Re: Europa-List: Rigging/Derigging Richard Sementilli wrote: > It takes me 15 minutes just to line up one wing > exactly where I want it so I can just slide them in How is that possible? We don't care about lining up the wing, we just push it in and it has nowhere to go, except for just the right spot. When the wing can not be pushed any further, no other manoeuvring is necessary, we can just slide in the various pins to secure the wing. We have glassed in a small ridge that guides the spar to its destination, and made funnel shaped flap root extensions so they catch the pin without any intervention. > Are you building a plane or are you in the market to buy one? Mine is for sale. Well, you just let the cat out of the bag about the time it takes to rig your airplane... ;-) Anyway, I guess with some small modifications it would be possible to make any Europa easy and fast to rig. -- Frans Veldman ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 05:26:22 AM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: sun n fun From: pjeffers@talktalk.net Hi Rowland, Sue & I are in Florida at present and will be for 5 weeks.? If you would like us to bring it back for you we would be more than happy. If interested i will give you our address off forum. We actually return UK 27th March. Pete & Sue -----Original Message----- From: Rowland Carson Sent: Sat, 21 Feb 2009 0:36 Subject: Europa-List: sun n fun ? I'm considering purchasing a Trutrak single-axis autopilot, and wondering in the light of recent postings about the difficulty of exporting strategic material outside of USA borders whether someone from UK attending Sun n Fun might be prepared to pick it up and bring it back with them. The Trutrak people say they don't sell or deliver any goods at the exhibition but they are happy to ship to a US address for pickup there. Is there anyone likely to be staying at a known address long enough to cover the likely delivery window?? ? regards? ? Rowland? -- | Rowland Carson LAA #16532 http://home.clara.net/rowil/aviation/? | 1190 hours building Europa #435 G-ROWI e-mail ? ? ? ? ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 06:34:12 AM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: Coolant temperature indicator From: Paul McAllister Hi Frans, I am in the fortunate situation where I had a couple of coolant tanks that was among a bunch of Rotax parts that I purchased from a guy who was doing research and development for the military in the '90's. I haven't actually installed mine yet, but the engine is currently in at the Rotax dealer to have some oil leaks repaired and I will have it installed at that time. I have a Grand Rapids EIS that has inputs for two CHT's and the water sensor so it is an easy task for me to instrument it. Rotax discusses the combination of CHT's and coolant temperature measurement in a recent SB about reverting back from Evans to a water glycol mix. I would suggest that you read through the SB, I think it should cover most questions. In my opinion measuring coolant temperature makes a lot of sense, it gives an earlier warning of issues in the case of a burst hose or coolant boiling. Graham Singleton often tells me that if he had coolant temperature sensing in his aircraft he would have known about his pending issue and not taken off and had his subsequent accident. If your airplane isn't flying yet, then the effort is a lot less, if it were me I'd probably just go do it. Regards, Paul ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 06:48:08 AM PST US From: Rowland Carson Subject: RE: Europa-List: tank support layups At 2009-02-21 08:59 +0000 Robert C Harrison wrote: >I recall that the tank needs to be as high as possible ( when >viewed with the assembly in the "flying mode") This is to ensure that >the wing spars do not conflict with the ledge of tank which runs across >the width of the a/c. Bob - thanks for that reminder. I think I can check it without actually going to the bother of re-rigging the wings to the cockpit module >I don't understand your statement " flush with the bottom of the cockpit >module"? Do you mean "bottom" to mean the area which sits on the floor >of the fuselage Yes, I meant the part that will at the bottom when everything is right way up. >the radius of >the tank bottom does NOT sit on the fuselage it sits on more lay ups >between it and the fuselage bottom I don't see any references in the manual to any layups under the tank (when it is right-way-up) apart from the t-section ones I've mentioned. The drawing in the manual shows the bottom of the tank fairly much in line with the bottom of the baggage bay and seat parts of the cockpit module. regards Rowland -- | Rowland Carson LAA #16532 http://home.clara.net/rowil/aviation/ | 1190 hours building Europa #435 G-ROWI e-mail ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 10:44:50 AM PST US From: Bryan Allsop Subject: RE: Europa-List: sun n fun Hi Roland=2C I will be here till early May=2C if that helps. Best regards. Bryan > Date: Sat=2C 21 Feb 2009 00:36:11 +0000 > To: europa-list@matronics.com > From: rowil@clara.net > Subject: Europa-List: sun n fun > > > I'm considering purchasing a Trutrak single-axis autopilot=2C and > wondering in the light of recent postings about the difficulty of > exporting strategic material outside of USA borders whether someone > from UK attending Sun n Fun might be prepared to pick it up and bring > it back with them. The Trutrak people say they don't sell or deliver > any goods at the exhibition but they are happy to ship to a US > address for pickup there. Is there anyone likely to be staying at a > known address long enough to cover the likely delivery window? > > regards > > Rowland > -- > =========== =========== =========== =========== > > > _________________________________________________________________ Access your email online and on the go with Windows Live Hotmail. http://windowslive.com/online/hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_AE_Access_0220 09 ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 10:56:27 AM PST US From: "JR Gowing" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: Strobe wiring John I am pleased to hear your system goes so well as I have put mine in the sam e way except that I used auto connectors for the wires. I remember your nice set-up well since my visit with my daughter some many years back! However I am still slugging away at building! Rotax 912 UL S arrived during the week. JR (Bob) Gowing UK Kit 327 in Oz ----- Original Message ----- From: TELEDYNMCS@aol.com To: europa-list@matronics.com Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2009 1:08 AM Subject: Europa-List: Re: Strobe wiring In a message dated 2/20/2009 3:02:52 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, europa-l ist@matronics.com writes: >>>>>I know that this may be a little late for those of you who have al ready bought their strobe power units, but my installation works well without any interference. I have Whelen equipment and I mounted an HTS power supply at each wing tip. They are mounted on removable panels on the bottom surface. There is a weight penalty of about 1 pound compared to a single HDA power supply in the fuselage but all the high voltage cables are short and at the tip. No problems.<<<< Hey John and all, Follwing the K.I.S.S. principle, I used a single Whelen strobe power supp ly mounted to one of the vertical baggage bay support members under the por t side of the baggage bay and my install does not cause any audio interfere nce whatsoever. Access to the power supply is through the port access cover in the baggage bay floor. The power supply fires strobes on the wing tips with the cables routed from the power supply along the bottom side of the b aggage bay, then along the sides of the baggage bay in the cockpit in fiber glass raceways which extend from the baggage bay bulkhead forward to the re ar of the door sill. I installed these raceways along and over the fuselage seams on the sides of the baggage bay, covering the seam, as well as provi ding a conduit for wiring. The wires then pass down into the backrest and o ut the side of the fuselage through grommeted holes in the fuselage sides j ust behind the spar opening in the side of the fuselage. The raceways I mad e were molded over a piece of 1.5=22 PVC pipe cut lengthways to produce a 1/3 rd round shape. Then with the PVC taped to a piece of plywood, 3 layers of 'bid were used to make the molding. A 1/2=22 flange was left either side of t he rounded part to leave a bonding flange for bonding to the inside side of the fuselage. My system is quiet as a mouse without the faintest hint of strobe tick. T he secret to keeping your strobes quiet first and foremost is how you groun d the shield wires on the strobe high tension feeder cabling. The shield wi res should be grounded only on the power supply end. I crimped, then solder ed a ring terminal to the shield wire at the power supply end of the strobe wires, then landed the ring terminal under one of the mounting screws for the power supply so that the shield wire has continuity with the power supp ly case (which is grounded). Do not ground the other end of the shield wire at the light. If you do, you will create a loop antenna and a host of prob lems will follow. I used six pin Molex plugs and sockets at the wing roots and fuselage sid es so that I would be able to disconnect the strobe and Nav light wiring wh en the wings are removed. The shield wire must also be carried through at t his point. At the light end, I simply cut the shield wire off even with the cable jacket and stuck a piece of heat shrink tubing on the strobe cable t o make it look pretty, allowing the strobe feeder wires to carry through a few inches beyond the cable jacket. The strobe feeder wires exit the end of the heat shrink, along with the NAV wires which are routed on the outside of the strobe cable, taped to the strobe cabling about every 6=22 along the l ength of the strobe cable and then carry on to the NAV light. I also instal led 6 pin Molex plugs at the light to make for easy removal of the light if and when it fails, but the shield does not need to be included here. The p lug/socket on the light end makes for easy removal of the light fixture for replacement of the strobe and NAV bulbs when the time comes or replacement of the fixture should it become damaged, but this step could be omitted. A nother thing that is very important is to not route any other wiring with y our radio and intercom audio wires, especially the strobe feeds and the tri m motor wiring. Keep all other wiring separated from your audio wires by at least a few inches. I've installed Whelen strobe/Nav combo lights, grounding the shield in th is manner, in 3 different airplanes thus far and all three are/were quiet a s a mouse. Hope it helps! 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The Professional version does not have this message ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 11:48:32 AM PST US From: "JR Gowing" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Seat foundations Fred I cut my headrest foam pieces yesterday as fill in job. I don't have ply or hinges yet. The reason for writing is just to say that I have gone quite the opposite w ay to your plush seating! My seats are formed with 4 plies of BID formed on a standard plastic chair used in public halls. These are suspended on a pair of side pieces of ply with an array of holes to take shoot bolts on the bottom front edge of the seat. The rear of the seat is supended on a seat belt that will have to go under your headrest hinge to the restraint point in addition to the seat be lt ends. Bob Gowing UK Kit 327 on Oz Do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: Fred Klein To: europa-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2009 10:21 AM Subject: Europa-List: Seat foundations $259 sounds like a good deal. Using 1=22 of blue & 1=22 of green Confor foam, 16 x 18, for the seats, and 1=22 of uphostery foam for the back (rolled around a core of blue and green c ut-offs for lumbar support)...plus assorted uphostery foam wedges...I think I spent close to $300. I allowed the seat foam to cantilever forward of th e thigh support for additional thigh support for my long legs. Seat backs a re separate, and (temporarily) supported by foam blocks in photo. That Confor foam is really great stuff...very comfortable. Fred A194 Roll 52 - 69 -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- Checked by AVG - www.avg.com 9 08:57:00 -- We are a community of 6 million users fighting spam. The Professional version does not have this message ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 01:33:43 PM PST US From: "Robert C Harrison" Subject: Europa-List: Garmin 328 Mode S Transponder ... I can concur with Mike Parkin that there is about 1/4" spare room for the wiring tail and antennae connections behind the fire wall. Mine is complete (but not tested yet in flight) Any one caring to make an offer for a Garmin 320 Alpha Charlie I'd be pleased to hear from you ! Bob Harrison G-PTAG ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 01:41:36 PM PST US From: "craig bastin" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Rigging/Derigging I am still under construction on my trike, but I would say 5 minutes would be about right for a trike. I have to pull the plane out of the workshop first then get the wings one at at time. I slide the port wing in first and push the pins half way in. then starboard and lock both pins in fully. the tail planes are about 30 seconds each. Mind you it did take me a while to get the hang of it but i have it sorted now during my build so come flying time i figure it will be easy. the manual does say its worth making guides to help align the spars which I did. before the guides it was awkward to rig even with two people. craig -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Frans Veldman Sent: Saturday, 21 February 2009 10:16 PM Subject: Re: Europa-List: Rigging/Derigging Richard Sementilli wrote: > It takes me 15 minutes just to line up one wing > exactly where I want it so I can just slide them in How is that possible? We don't care about lining up the wing, we just push it in and it has nowhere to go, except for just the right spot. When the wing can not be pushed any further, no other manoeuvring is necessary, we can just slide in the various pins to secure the wing. We have glassed in a small ridge that guides the spar to its destination, and made funnel shaped flap root extensions so they catch the pin without any intervention. > Are you building a plane or are you in the market to buy one? Mine is for sale. Well, you just let the cat out of the bag about the time it takes to rig your airplane... ;-) Anyway, I guess with some small modifications it would be possible to make any Europa easy and fast to rig. -- Frans Veldman Checked by AVG - www.avg.com 19:22:00 ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 02:34:28 PM PST US From: Paul Boulet Subject: RE: Europa-List: Mod 72 Reamer It looks like you're it!- I had my mod professionally done by Phoenix Com posites...cost me plenty but certainly had no headaches.- Send me the $5 and I'll post it out same day Paul Boulet 20512 Little Rock Way Malibu, CA- 90265 --- On Fri, 2/20/09, Greg Fuchs wrote: From: Greg Fuchs Subject: RE: Europa-List: Mod 72 Reamer Keep me in mind when finished, I could use it anytime soon as well. The mod has been sitting around in a plastic bag for quite awhile now, and I shoul d get them installed. Regards, Greg Fuchs A050 - Do not archive - From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-serv er@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Paul Boulet Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2009 7:40 PM Subject: Re: Europa-List: Mod 72 Reamer - I have one.- Send me the $5 for postage and I'll send it out right away. Paul Boulet 20512 Little Rock Way Malibu , CA - 90265-5324 - - -I am in need of the Mod 72 reamer.- I have seen several change ha nds from thegroup.- Does anyone have one they would make available to me. - I will pass it onafter I use it.Thanks,Bill McClellanA164 - - - - - ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 04:30:09 PM PST US From: "Graham Higgins" Subject: Europa-List: pictures Hi All, Frequently mention is made on this forum of pictures included with the article of maybe linked to it. I never get either. Am I missing something? Can someone tell this computer newby how I go about setting up to get pictures? Regards Graham Higgins, in Oz. ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 08:19:19 PM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: LED LANDING LIGHTS From: "rparigoris" Hi Chuck I put up some picture and info about Fog LEDs: http://www.europaowners.org/modules.php?set_albumName=album271&op=modload&name=gallery&file=index&include=view_album.php Ron Parigoris Visit - www.EuropaOwners.org ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message europa-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Europa-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/europa-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/europa-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.