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1. 01:22 AM - DOTH Sandtoft Friday 6th (Paddy Clarke)
2. 02:15 AM - Re: DOTH Sandtoft Friday 6th (Graham Singleton)
3. 02:43 AM - Intercooler hoses (Remi Guerner)
4. 03:49 AM - Re: DOTH Sandtoft Friday 6th (Ron Jones)
5. 03:58 AM - Re: DOTH Sandtoft Friday 6th (Robert C Harrison)
6. 04:01 AM - Re: DOTH Sandtoft Friday 6th (david park)
7. 09:46 AM - Re: DOTH Sandtoft Friday 6th (Ray)
8. 10:09 AM - Bendix/King KLN90b (Graham Singleton)
9. 12:41 PM - Re: DOTH Sandtoft Friday 6th (Trevpond@aol.com)
10. 03:40 PM - Flap position, Flight testing (Kevin Klinefelter)
11. 07:33 PM - Re: Flap position, Flight testing (craig bastin)
12. 08:07 PM - Re: Flap position, Flight testing (Fred Klein)
13. 10:48 PM - Re: Flap position, Flight testing (Mike Parkin)
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Subject: | DOTH Sandtoft Friday 6th |
Hi Folks,
Hopefully the showers should die down for tomorrow (Friday 6th), so
how about a DOTH to Sandtoft?. Voucher in Pilot - 1200ish.
Another place up that way with a voucher is Netherthorpe. I've never
been there and it looks a bit tight. Could anyone based there, or who
knows it well, comment as to its suitability for a future DOTH?
All the best, Paddy
Paddy Clarke
Europa G-KIMM
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Subject: | Re: DOTH Sandtoft Friday 6th |
Paddy Clarke wrote:
>
> Hi Folks,
> Hopefully the showers should die down for tomorrow (Friday 6th), so
> how about a DOTH to Sandtoft?. Voucher in Pilot - 1200ish.
> Another place up that way with a voucher is Netherthorpe. I've never
> been there and it looks a bit tight. Could anyone based there, or who
> knows it well, comment as to its suitability for a future DOTH?
> All the best, Paddy
> Paddy Clarke
> Europa G-KIMM
Paddy
Netherthorpe should be fine for a Europa, can be muddy but I haven't
been there in years. Downhill to the east and north but do able. I did
operate my Long EZ there for a couple of years. Not ideal though ;-)
Graham
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Subject: | Intercooler hoses |
Frans,
>>>>>The turbo pressure is not very high, the hoses should have no
problems to handle this <<<<<<
SCAT hoses are not designed for handling any pressure. Max relative
turbo pressure is around 0.6 bars. I agree this is not very high but I
would not use SCAT for that pressure.
>>>>>And these hoses are not a really critical component anyway.<<<<<<
I do not think so. If the hose downstream of the turbo blows out, then
the airbox pressure sensor will sense the cowling ambiant pressure. Then
the TCU will widely open the waste gate so that the turbo tries to
provide more pressure. Without any back pressure, the turbo will
overspeed and possibly fracture with the associated consequences: oil
leak and fire.
I would not use anything other than glassfiber reinforced rubber hoses
similar to what Rotax uses to connect the turbo to the airbox.
Hope that helps.
Remi Guerner
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Subject: | Re: DOTH Sandtoft Friday 6th |
Sorry Paddy, I can't make this one but hope you get lots of support.
Netherthorpe is a great place with an excellent cafe but, as Graham
says, it's a bit tight using the northerly runway!
Regards,
Ron.
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Subject: | DOTH Sandtoft Friday 6th |
Hi! Paddy
I'll see you at Sandtoft but by 4X4 transport!
Regards
Bob H G-PTAG
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From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Graham
Singleton
Sent: 05 March 2009 10:13
Subject: Re: Europa-List: DOTH Sandtoft Friday 6th
<grahamsingleton@btinternet.com>
Paddy Clarke wrote:
>
> Hi Folks,
> Hopefully the showers should die down for tomorrow (Friday 6th), so
> how about a DOTH to Sandtoft?. Voucher in Pilot - 1200ish.
> Another place up that way with a voucher is Netherthorpe. I've never
> been there and it looks a bit tight. Could anyone based there, or who
> knows it well, comment as to its suitability for a future DOTH?
> All the best, Paddy
> Paddy Clarke
> Europa G-KIMM
Paddy
Netherthorpe should be fine for a Europa, can be muddy but I haven't
been there in years. Downhill to the east and north but do able. I did
operate my Long EZ there for a couple of years. Not ideal though ;-)
Graham
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Subject: | DOTH Sandtoft Friday 6th |
This is Dave not Paddy. If you get any more interesting trips let me kmow.
Dave
From: jron.jones@tiscali.co.uk
Subject: Re: Europa-List: DOTH Sandtoft Friday 6th
Sorry Paddy=2C I can't make this one but hope you get lots of support.
Netherthorpe is a great place with an excellent cafe but=2C as Graham says
=2C it's a bit tight using the northerly runway!
Regards=2C
Ron.
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Subject: | Re: DOTH Sandtoft Friday 6th |
Paddy
I'll give it a go and be in the AT3, plus I'll be bringing along a very
frustrated XL-2 owner who is awaiting a(nother) new prop.
Ray
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On Thu, 5 Mar 2009 09:20:46 +0000, "Paddy Clarke"
<paddyclarke@lineone.net> said:
>
> Hi Folks,
> Hopefully the showers should die down for tomorrow (Friday 6th), so
> how about a DOTH to Sandtoft?. Voucher in Pilot - 1200ish.
> Another place up that way with a voucher is Netherthorpe. I've never
> been there and it looks a bit tight. Could anyone based there, or who
> knows it well, comment as to its suitability for a future DOTH?
> All the best, Paddy
> Paddy Clarke
> Europa G-KIMM
>
>
>
--
Ray
raymondwren@fastmail.co.uk
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Subject: | Bendix/King KLN90b |
All
Hans asked me to post this on the list, his brother Marcel is the
new owner of Europa Classic G-BWON, Hans is in Germany building an
Ibis, (french woulden canard) Marcel in Holland.
Graham
"h_zwakenberg" h_zwakenberg@yahoo.com
<mailto:h_zwakenberg@yahoo.com?Subject=%20Re%3AInstrument%20panel%20plans%20have%20changed%2E%2E%2E>
h_zwakenberg <http://profiles.yahoo.com/h_zwakenberg>
Wed Mar 4, 2009 11:12 am (PST)
Hi Group,
the plans for my IBIS instrument panel have changed, which is why I put
my King KLN90B panel mount GPS receiver up for sale.
This is your chance to get a TSO'd GPS receiver at considerably reduced
costs, check it out:
http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=170308270915
<http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=170308270915>
cheers
Hans
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Subject: | Re: DOTH Sandtoft Friday 6th |
Sorry Paddy,
Under orders to go to Crufts with the Memsab!!
regards
Trev Pond
G-LINN
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Subject: | Flap position, Flight testing |
Hi All,
Flight testing of 914 powered monowheel N211KA is going well (29
hours).I have a flap position question for those who have been there.
The aircraft has an irritating left turn in it when flown solo and
slight left turn with two up. When trimmed out cruising straight and
level the ailerons are close to even with the wing tips and the left
flap is noticeably lower relative to it's aileron than the right side,
which is almost even with the aileron. I think if I can rig the left
flap up even with the aileron it will help cure the left turning problem
and be less drag.
I thought I might get a new flap hinge arm (FL16) on the left and with
the aircraft supported and flaps up in the desired position I could
drill new holes thru the lugs on the tourqe tube so the left flap
retacted position matches the right.
Will this work or is there a better way?
Thanks, Kevin... flying and grinning...
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Subject: | Flap position, Flight testing |
I think you might run into assymetry issues between the tube and the pins
with one hinge arm longer
than the other. If you did the alignment of the plates and the two root end
flap hinges and all was good
you may have the pin in the flap out of position. if thats the case, you
could get a machine shop to make a
new pin that is eccentric, rather then the longer process of cutting the
flap to bits to move the pin a few mm.
The other thing is if you correct the cruise issue, what will happen at full
flap, will it have a nasty habbit of pulling to the right, or rolling left
because of the extra lift on the right wing???? Just a thought.
The other thing is maybe... you should look at both flaps, and the
clearances, perchance the left flap
is hitting inside the wing, thus holding it a few mm down compared to the
right wing. I had an issue
with that, i ended up removing about 20mm from the from of one flap and
reglassing it to get it to fully retract.
craig
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Kevin
Klinefelter
Sent: Friday, 6 March 2009 9:39 AM
To: europa-list@matronics.com
Subject: Europa-List: Flap position, Flight testing
Hi All,
Flight testing of 914 powered monowheel N211KA is going well (29 hours).I
have a flap position question for those who have been there.
The aircraft has an irritating left turn in it when flown solo and slight
left turn with two up. When trimmed out cruising straight and level the
ailerons are close to even with the wing tips and the left flap is
noticeably lower relative to it's aileron than the right side, which is
almost even with the aileron. I think if I can rig the left flap up even
with the aileron it will help cure the left turning problem and be less
drag.
I thought I might get a new flap hinge arm (FL16) on the left and with the
aircraft supported and flaps up in the desired position I could drill new
holes thru the lugs on the tourqe tube so the left flap retacted position
matches the right.
Will this work or is there a better way?
Thanks, Kevin... flying and grinning...
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Subject: | Re: Flap position, Flight testing |
On Mar 5, 2009, at 3:38 PM, Kevin Klinefelter wrote:
> I have a flap position question for those who have been there.
Kevin,
...jus sittin here in my armchair, so I am not one of "those who have
been there"...but I would suggest that, prior to cutting any metal or
replacing any parts, you get your bird back in its cradle, level it
up, and very carefully measure everything relevant, cross checking
from several reference points, and attempt to determine any deviations
from symmetry. Check again with your control surfaces in the position
you observe for straight and level flight; measure again. Going thru
this exercise could be revealing; when combined with your observed
flight characteristics, I would think it would point you towards
potential fixes and you could choose the one most easily accomplished.
Good luck,
Fred
A194
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Subject: | Flap position, Flight testing |
Kevin,
Your symptoms seem to contradict your analysis, or maybe I am completely out
to lunch. If the left flap were lower, then the left wing would produce
more lift - manifesting itself in a right turn. On my monowheel, there is
a slight tendency to roll left when flown solo. With 2 up, the roll
disappears. You need to check the flap position using the profile jig that
was originally used to set the flap position. Is the wash out correct on
both ailerons and flaps. Does the aircraft drop a left wing at the stall?
G-JULZ had a nasty wing drop at the stall which was cured by a slight
adjustment of the ailerons. The ailerons on my classic wings have a very
slight difference in neutral between sat on the ground and loaded in flight.
Also, I guess you are using the slip ball to trim out in flight, is the slip
ball horizontal set correctly, I fitted a small trim tab to the rudder to
make the aircraft 'straighten up and fly right' as the song goes. Could it
be a rudder trim problem?
Regards,
Mike
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of craig bastin
Sent: 06 March 2009 03:41
Subject: RE: Europa-List: Flap position, Flight testing
I think you might run into assymetry issues between the tube and the pins
with one hinge arm longer
than the other. If you did the alignment of the plates and the two root end
flap hinges and all was good
you may have the pin in the flap out of position. if thats the case, you
could get a machine shop to make a
new pin that is eccentric, rather then the longer process of cutting the
flap to bits to move the pin a few mm.
The other thing is if you correct the cruise issue, what will happen at full
flap, will it have a nasty habbit of pulling to the right, or rolling left
because of the extra lift on the right wing???? Just a thought.
The other thing is maybe... you should look at both flaps, and the
clearances, perchance the left flap
is hitting inside the wing, thus holding it a few mm down compared to the
right wing. I had an issue
with that, i ended up removing about 20mm from the from of one flap and
reglassing it to get it to fully retract.
craig
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Kevin
Klinefelter
Sent: Friday, 6 March 2009 9:39 AM
Subject: Europa-List: Flap position, Flight testing
Hi All,
Flight testing of 914 powered monowheel N211KA is going well (29 hours).I
have a flap position question for those who have been there.
The aircraft has an irritating left turn in it when flown solo and slight
left turn with two up. When trimmed out cruising straight and level the
ailerons are close to even with the wing tips and the left flap is
noticeably lower relative to it's aileron than the right side, which is
almost even with the aileron. I think if I can rig the left flap up even
with the aileron it will help cure the left turning problem and be less
drag.
I thought I might get a new flap hinge arm (FL16) on the left and with the
aircraft supported and flaps up in the desired position I could drill new
holes thru the lugs on the tourqe tube so the left flap retacted position
matches the right.
Will this work or is there a better way?
Thanks, Kevin... flying and grinning...
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