---------------------------------------------------------- Europa-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 03/12/09: 10 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 01:55 AM - Re: fabric flammability (craig bastin) 2. 02:52 AM - Re: EuropaOwners is Moving (Kingsley Hurst) 3. 03:40 AM - Re: EuropaOwners is Moving (Peter Zutrauen) 4. 04:05 AM - Re: EuropaOwners is Moving (josok) 5. 06:58 AM - Re: fabric flammability (rampil) 6. 07:53 AM - AW: Re: fabric flammability (UVTReith) 7. 09:21 AM - Re: EuropaOwners is Moving (danbish) 8. 10:01 AM - Re: Re: fabric flammability (Fred Klein) 9. 11:25 AM - AW: fabric flammability (Alfred - Aviatik) 10. 08:11 PM - Re: Coolant / Radiator cap (JR Gowing) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 01:55:28 AM PST US From: "craig bastin" Subject: RE: Europa-List: fabric flammability Fred might i suggest you talk to a marine (boat) fitter. The fitters I visit on a weekly basis inform me that larger vessels MUST use fire retardant fabrics and carpets now (in australia) for health and safety reasons. I have examined a few samples they had on hand and the carpet seems quite light, but not very flexible. The fabrics come in quite a good range of colours too. I have been toying with the idea of lambs wool skins for my seat, which are fire proof, and warm for those FL flights at sub zero temps. The only issue I can see is the lint, and how often they would need to be laundered to keep them looking good. craig -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Fred Klein Sent: Thursday, 12 March 2009 2:57 PM Subject: Europa-List: fabric flammability Does anyone know whether or not fabrics for seats need meet FAR 23.853(A) in our Europas? If not, is there a lessor standard used in the fabric industry which might be of some guidance when selecting fabric for seat cushions? Fred Checked by AVG - www.avg.com 20:42:00 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 02:52:31 AM PST US From: "Kingsley Hurst" Subject: Re: Europa-List: EuropaOwners is Moving > EuropaOwners is moving in both the real and virtual worlds. Over the next > month the location of the servers that EuropaOwners lives on are moving to > a new location. Then once the servers are physically moved the servers > themselves will be upgraded. So, in a perfect world you would never know > the difference. In the real world you may see blips in service during the > next month or so. Please let me know of any loss of service, but don't > worry we will be back... Steve, What you and Jos have done for the Europa fraternity is very much appreciated on this side of the globe. I wish my ISP was as reliable as your set-up. Thanks again for your efforts. Kingsley in Oz. do not archive ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 03:40:57 AM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: EuropaOwners is Moving From: Peter Zutrauen "What you and Jos have done for the Europa fraternity is very much appreciated on this side of the globe. I wish my ISP was as reliable as your set-up. Thanks again for your efforts." Hear! Hear! I second that! Cheers & many thx! Pete On Thu, Mar 12, 2009 at 5:33 AM, Kingsley Hurst wrote: > hurstkr@redzone.com.au> > > EuropaOwners is moving in both the real and virtual worlds. Over the next >> month the location of the servers that EuropaOwners lives on are moving to a >> new location. Then once the servers are physically moved the servers >> themselves will be upgraded. So, in a perfect world you would never know the >> difference. In the real world you may see blips in service during the next >> month or so. Please let me know of any loss of service, but don't worry we >> will be back... >> > > Steve, > > What you and Jos have done for the Europa fraternity is very much > appreciated on this side of the globe. I wish my ISP was as reliable as > your set-up. > > Thanks again for your efforts. > > Kingsley in Oz. > > do not archive > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 04:05:00 AM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: EuropaOwners is Moving From: "josok" :roll: Thanks! Regards, Jos Okhuijsen Visit - www.EuropaOwners.org ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 06:58:31 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: fabric flammability From: "rampil" Hi Fred, In the US, for homebuilts, there are no requirements on cabin materials. There is only common sense! Ira -------- Ira N224XS Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=234328#234328 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 07:53:29 AM PST US From: "UVTReith" Subject: AW: Europa-List: Re: fabric flammability Hi Fred, Same in Germany Cheers, Bruno -----Ursprngliche Nachricht----- Von: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] Im Auftrag von rampil Gesendet: Donnerstag, 12. Mrz 2009 14:56 An: europa-list@matronics.com Betreff: Europa-List: Re: fabric flammability Hi Fred, In the US, for homebuilts, there are no requirements on cabin materials. There is only common sense! Ira -------- Ira N224XS Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=234328#234328 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 09:21:50 AM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: EuropaOwners is Moving From: "danbish" I'd like to second (or third... whichever) the remarks. The photo gallery especially has been extremely helpful! Steve/Jos, can you recommend software for me to backup my portion of the gallery or is there a way to FTP just that portion to a backup on my computer? I tried a couple of programs but they tried to backup all the albums in the gallery. Thanks again for everything you guys do for us. Dan Visit - www.EuropaOwners.org ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 10:01:46 AM PST US From: Fred Klein Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: fabric flammability On Mar 12, 2009, at 6:56 AM, rampil wrote: > In the US, for homebuilts, there are no requirements on cabin > materials. Thanks Ira. > There is only common sense! I quite agree, hence my question about whether lessor standards exist. It occurred to me that the standard for commercial aircraft might be so onerous that other standards might exist for non- commercial installations. Of course, a case can be made that for the confined cabin volume and proximity to potential fire sources, the situation in a small aircraft requires even more stringent standards. As you suggest, ...common sense should prevail. Fred ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 11:25:03 AM PST US From: "Alfred - Aviatik" Subject: AW: Europa-List: fabric flammability Hi Fred, Here in Switzerland these regulations must be met for fabrics, carpets and leather. For me Lantal was an excellent source: This is a well known firm supplying many large commercial carriers with seats, carpets and fabrics. They sold surplus stuff nearly for free. We also have to treat the inside of fiberglass cowlings in a way that a fire is at least retarded. Regards, Alfred ------------------------------------------------ Alfred Buess, Europa XS HB-YKI CH-3052 Zollikofen, Switzerland -----Ursprngliche Nachricht----- Von: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] Im Auftrag von Fred Klein Gesendet: Donnerstag, 12. Mrz 2009 05:57 An: europa-list@matronics.com Betreff: Europa-List: fabric flammability Does anyone know whether or not fabrics for seats need meet FAR 23.853(A) in our Europas? If not, is there a lessor standard used in the fabric industry which might be of some guidance when selecting fabric for seat cushions? Fred ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 08:11:15 PM PST US From: "JR Gowing" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Coolant / Radiator cap Fred Please tell me how these proposals relate to the XS Firewall kit for 912S engine which has the extra frontal hole below the prop which feeds air to an Air Guide Hood (which cost me another $700 or so from Rotax). Are the proposals to avoid my set up or did they arise before the Air Guide Hood was available? JR (Bob) Gowing UK Kit 327 in Oz do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: "Fred Klein" Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 8:33 AM Subject: Re: Europa-List: Coolant / Radiator cap > > > On Mar 1, 2009, at 1:12 PM, Frans Veldman wrote: > >> 1) I cut away the entire "duct", and have some sort of a scoop under >> the >> cowling with a diffuser and adjustable flap on the exit. The idea here >> is to reduce drag, reduce frontal area, and to improve cooling at the >> same time because the air-entrance is now lower on the belly, >> perfectly >> in the prop-wash. >> 2) I used the circular openings in the front for taxi- and landing >> lights. For the cylinder cooling I made two nasa-ducts in the top >> cowling, with the air aimed between the front and rear cylinders. The >> air openings have a slightly smaller surface than the original >> openings, >> but they are situated in a better position, and the air is aimed >> directly to the parts that need cooling. > > Frans...this sounds really interesting...cheers for getting rid of the > dog house...how bout some photos? > > Fred > A194 > > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by MailScanner, and is > believed to be clean. > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Checked by AVG - www.avg.com 17:21:00 -- We are a community of 6 million users fighting spam. 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