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1. 02:44 PM - Temperature drop across oil radiator (Paul McAllister)
2. 02:46 PM - Radiator exit air temperature (Paul McAllister)
3. 02:54 PM - Re: Temperature drop across oil radiator (Gilles Thesee)
4. 02:59 PM - Re: Radiator exit air temperature (Gilles Thesee)
5. 05:49 PM - Re: Flap position, Flight testing (Kevin Klinefelter)
6. 06:05 PM - Aileron Thickness (DuaneFamly@aol.com)
7. 06:22 PM - transponder antenna wiring (Fred Klein)
8. 06:22 PM - Re: Flap position, Flight testing (craig bastin)
9. 06:32 PM - Re: Aileron Thickness (craig bastin)
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Subject: | Temperature drop across oil radiator |
Hi all,
I am trying to get some data on the temperature drop across the oil cooler
and I was wondering if any of the folks who had experimented with oil
thermostats have measured the oil inlet and outlet temperatures.
Thanks, Paul
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Subject: | Radiator exit air temperature |
Hi all,
I was wondering if anyone has taken actual measurements of the exit air from
behind the radiators.
Thanks, Paul
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Subject: | Re: Temperature drop across oil radiator |
Paul McAllister a crit :
> I am trying to get some data on the temperature drop across the oil
> cooler and I was wondering if any of the folks who had experimented
> with oil thermostats have measured the oil inlet and outlet temperatures.
Paul,
No experience with oil thermostat (I consider cowl flaps much much
preferable), but I measured oil temp drops of the order of 25-30Celsius.
Best regards,
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Gilles
http://contrails.free.fr
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Subject: | Re: Radiator exit air temperature |
Paul McAllister a crit :
> I was wondering if anyone has taken actual measurements of the exit
> air from behind the radiators.
Paul,
We measured air exit temps around 70Celsius with a correctly ducted
tandem water and oil cooler block.
We are using this to provide cabin heat.
Some info on Contrails.
Best regards,
--
Gilles
http://contrails.free.fr
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Subject: | Re: Flap position, Flight testing |
Hi Jim,
I have to hold just a little left rudder in cruise to center the ball
on my Dynon. Seems like I am skidding just a bit.
When I use the stick to level the plane I can do it with one finger,
just a pound or so to keep the left wing up cruising solo. In this
position of wings level the ball is off to the left just enough to put
the ball 1/4 on the line.
When gear and flaps are down, the left turn is more pronounced. And when
stalled dirty the left wing always drops.
Thanks to all for the responses. I have not tried changing anything yet.
I have just been enjoying this great little plane and trying very hard
to get better at landing her. I have been doing a lot of landings! And
also some high cruising, 17,000 feet over the snow covered Sierra, just
amazing to be there instead of in the garage...
Kevin, 35+ hours on the hobbs
A211, N211KA
Mono XS
Intercooled 914, Airmaster Prop
From: Jim Brown
To: europa-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, March 06, 2009 6:02 PM
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Flap position, Flight testing
Kevin
Your statment "in cruise I have to hold a little left rudder"..
Is this to keep the plane from a slight turning to the right? Is the
right wing low without rudder ?
The next time you fly, do this for me. Once in normal cruse,
take your feet off the rudder pedals. Use your stick to level the plane,
then observe where the sticks position is. Is it to the left of center
or is it to the righ of center, or does it remain centered ? In this
position of wings level, where is the ball? Is it to the right, or to
the left, or is it centered?
The monowheel does have a tendenancy to turn left a little, when
flown solo.
Jim Brown
--- On Fri, 3/6/09, Kevin Klinefelter <kevann@gotsky.com> wrote:
From: Kevin Klinefelter <kevann@gotsky.com>
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Flap position, Flight testing
To: europa-list@matronics.com
Date: Friday, March 6, 2009, 1:04 PM
Jim, In cruise I have to hold a little left rudder...
Kevin
----- Original Message -----
From: Jim Brown
To: europa-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, March 06, 2009 4:21 AM
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Flap position, Flight testing
Kevin
I would think that given the left flap is lower than
the right flap that the plane would be turning right. Given that the
left flap will have more pressure on it than the right flap.
I would suggest that on the next flight check the turn
and bank ball. and see if its setting to the right. Try centering the
ball with rudder and see if that helps.
Jim Brown
--- On Thu, 3/5/09, Kevin Klinefelter
<kevann@gotsky.com> wrote:
From: Kevin Klinefelter <kevann@gotsky.com>
Subject: Europa-List: Flap position, Flight testing
To: europa-list@matronics.com
Date: Thursday, March 5, 2009, 11:38 PM
Hi All,
Flight testing of 914 powered monowheel N211KA is
going well (29 hours).I have a flap position question for those who have
been there.
The aircraft has an irritating left turn in it when
flown solo and slight left turn with two up. When trimmed out cruising
straight and level the ailerons are close to even with the wing tips and
the left flap is noticeably lower relative to it's aileron than the
right side, which is almost even with the aileron. I think if I can rig
the left flap up even with the aileron it will help cure the left
turning problem and be less drag.
I thought I might get a new flap hinge arm (FL16) on
the left and with the aircraft supported and flaps up in the desired
position I could drill new holes thru the lugs on the tourqe tube so
the left flap retacted position matches the right.
Will this work or is there a better way?
Thanks, Kevin... flying and grinning...
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Subject: | Aileron Thickness |
Good day All,
Quick question........when I install my ailerons, the top surface of each
aileron is lower than the trailing edge of the wing.....how much is acceptable?
Should it be filled with micro to make it flush with the wing trailing edge
and then tapered to the aileron trailing edge?
Mike Duane A207A
Redding, California
XS Conventional Gear
Jabiru 3300
Sensenich R64Z N
Ground Adjustable Prop
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Subject: | transponder antenna wiring |
Hi All,
I'm in the midst of locating antennae and attempting to zero in on
avionics selection.
I find in the Garmin Installation Manual for their 320A transponder a
max. length for the RG-400 coax to be 8.8 feet, 12.5 feet for RG304 (a
coax which I've yet to see for sale anywhere, and 17.0 feet for "ECS
Type 311601 sold by Electronic Cable Specialists in Wisconsin (again,
a product which I haven't seen in any of our wiring discussions). This
may be a moot point as I expect to use the Narco 165 (Value Series, to
save a few bucks [unless the consensus might be that doing so would be
pennywise/pound foolish].) I can't seem to find a downloadable
installation manual for the Narco, so I'm not sure that Garmin's 8.8
foot max would still apply.
On our forum, I've only found folks using RG-400. I don't see how I
can get the distance down to an 8.8 foot run from antenna to the
panel, unless I bring the transponder antenna forward to just aft of
the baggage bay (close to strobe power supply; however, it seems many
guys have put the transponder as far aft as possible abeam the rear
bulkhead.
Any advice and counsel to this electronic neophyte would be much
appreciated...don't want to get anal, but don't want to create
problems either,
Thanks,
Fred
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Subject: | Flap position, Flight testing |
Glad to hear you are enjoying your baby
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Kevin
Klinefelter
Sent: Sunday, 15 March 2009 10:46 AM
To: europa-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Flap position, Flight testing
Hi Jim,
I have to hold just a little left rudder in cruise to center the ball on
my Dynon. Seems like I am skidding just a bit.
When I use the stick to level the plane I can do it with one finger, just
a pound or so to keep the left wing up cruising solo. In this position of
wings level the ball is off to the left just enough to put the ball 1/4 on
the line.
When gear and flaps are down, the left turn is more pronounced. And when
stalled dirty the left wing always drops.
Thanks to all for the responses. I have not tried changing anything yet. I
have just been enjoying this great little plane and trying very hard to get
better at landing her. I have been doing a lot of landings! And also some
high cruising, 17,000 feet over the snow covered Sierra, just amazing to be
there instead of in the garage...
Kevin, 35+ hours on the hobbs
A211, N211KA
Mono XS
Intercooled 914, Airmaster Prop
From: Jim Brown
To: europa-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, March 06, 2009 6:02 PM
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Flap position, Flight testing
Kevin
Your statment "in cruise I have to hold a little left rudder".. Is
this to keep the plane from a slight turning to the right? Is the right wing
low without rudder ?
The next time you fly, do this for me. Once in normal cruse, take
your feet off the rudder pedals. Use your stick to level the plane, then
observe where the sticks position is. Is it to the left of center or is it
to the righ of center, or does it remain centered ? In this position of
wings level, where is the ball? Is it to the right, or to the left, or is it
centered?
The monowheel does have a tendenancy to turn left a little, when
flown solo.
Jim Brown
--- On Fri, 3/6/09, Kevin Klinefelter <kevann@gotsky.com> wrote:
From: Kevin Klinefelter <kevann@gotsky.com>
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Flap position, Flight testing
To: europa-list@matronics.com
Date: Friday, March 6, 2009, 1:04 PM
Jim, In cruise I have to hold a little left rudder...
Kevin
----- Original Message -----
From: Jim Brown
To: europa-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, March 06, 2009 4:21 AM
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Flap position, Flight testing
Kevin
I would think that given the left flap is lower than the
right flap that the plane would be turning right. Given that the left flap
will have more pressure on it than the right flap.
I would suggest that on the next flight check the turn
and bank ball. and see if its setting to the right. Try centering the ball
with rudder and see if that helps.
Jim Brown
--- On Thu, 3/5/09, Kevin Klinefelter
<kevann@gotsky.com> wrote:
From: Kevin Klinefelter <kevann@gotsky.com>
Subject: Europa-List: Flap position, Flight testing
To: europa-list@matronics.com
Date: Thursday, March 5, 2009, 11:38 PM
Hi All,
Flight testing of 914 powered monowheel N211KA is
going well (29 hours).I have a flap position question for those who have
been there.
The aircraft has an irritating left turn in it when
flown solo and slight left turn with two up. When trimmed out cruising
straight and level the ailerons are close to even with the wing tips and the
left flap is noticeably lower relative to it's aileron than the right side,
which is almost even with the aileron. I think if I can rig the left flap up
even with the aileron it will help cure the left turning problem and be less
drag.
I thought I might get a new flap hinge arm (FL16) on
the left and with the aircraft supported and flaps up in the desired
position I could drill new holes thru the lugs on the tourqe tube so the
left flap retacted position matches the right.
Will this work or is there a better way?
Thanks, Kevin... flying and grinning...
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Subject: | Aileron Thickness |
Mine is the same. With flaps fully retracted the bottom of the flaps and
ailerons line up nicely with the wing.
I planned on doing the fill and sanding on the wing as one piece, with so
its as good as it can be.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of
DuaneFamly@aol.com
Sent: Sunday, 15 March 2009 11:04 AM
To: europa-list@matronics.com
Subject: Europa-List: Aileron Thickness
Good day All,
Quick question........when I install my ailerons, the top surface of each
aileron is lower than the trailing edge of the wing.....how much is
acceptable? Should it be filled with micro to make it flush with the wing
trailing edge and then tapered to the aileron trailing edge?
Mike Duane A207A
Redding, California
XS Conventional Gear
Jabiru 3300
Sensenich R64Z N
Ground Adjustable Prop
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