---------------------------------------------------------- Europa-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sat 03/14/09: 9 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 02:44 PM - Temperature drop across oil radiator (Paul McAllister) 2. 02:46 PM - Radiator exit air temperature (Paul McAllister) 3. 02:54 PM - Re: Temperature drop across oil radiator (Gilles Thesee) 4. 02:59 PM - Re: Radiator exit air temperature (Gilles Thesee) 5. 05:49 PM - Re: Flap position, Flight testing (Kevin Klinefelter) 6. 06:05 PM - Aileron Thickness (DuaneFamly@aol.com) 7. 06:22 PM - transponder antenna wiring (Fred Klein) 8. 06:22 PM - Re: Flap position, Flight testing (craig bastin) 9. 06:32 PM - Re: Aileron Thickness (craig bastin) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 02:44:47 PM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Temperature drop across oil radiator From: Paul McAllister Hi all, I am trying to get some data on the temperature drop across the oil cooler and I was wondering if any of the folks who had experimented with oil thermostats have measured the oil inlet and outlet temperatures. Thanks, Paul ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 02:46:21 PM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Radiator exit air temperature From: Paul McAllister Hi all, I was wondering if anyone has taken actual measurements of the exit air from behind the radiators. Thanks, Paul ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 02:54:02 PM PST US From: Gilles Thesee Subject: Re: Europa-List: Temperature drop across oil radiator Paul McAllister a crit : > I am trying to get some data on the temperature drop across the oil > cooler and I was wondering if any of the folks who had experimented > with oil thermostats have measured the oil inlet and outlet temperatures. Paul, No experience with oil thermostat (I consider cowl flaps much much preferable), but I measured oil temp drops of the order of 25-30Celsius. Best regards, -- Gilles http://contrails.free.fr ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 02:59:30 PM PST US From: Gilles Thesee Subject: Re: Europa-List: Radiator exit air temperature Paul McAllister a crit : > I was wondering if anyone has taken actual measurements of the exit > air from behind the radiators. Paul, We measured air exit temps around 70Celsius with a correctly ducted tandem water and oil cooler block. We are using this to provide cabin heat. Some info on Contrails. Best regards, -- Gilles http://contrails.free.fr ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 05:49:41 PM PST US From: "Kevin Klinefelter" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Flap position, Flight testing Hi Jim, I have to hold just a little left rudder in cruise to center the ball on my Dynon. Seems like I am skidding just a bit. When I use the stick to level the plane I can do it with one finger, just a pound or so to keep the left wing up cruising solo. In this position of wings level the ball is off to the left just enough to put the ball 1/4 on the line. When gear and flaps are down, the left turn is more pronounced. And when stalled dirty the left wing always drops. Thanks to all for the responses. I have not tried changing anything yet. I have just been enjoying this great little plane and trying very hard to get better at landing her. I have been doing a lot of landings! And also some high cruising, 17,000 feet over the snow covered Sierra, just amazing to be there instead of in the garage... Kevin, 35+ hours on the hobbs A211, N211KA Mono XS Intercooled 914, Airmaster Prop From: Jim Brown To: europa-list@matronics.com Sent: Friday, March 06, 2009 6:02 PM Subject: Re: Europa-List: Flap position, Flight testing Kevin Your statment "in cruise I have to hold a little left rudder".. Is this to keep the plane from a slight turning to the right? Is the right wing low without rudder ? The next time you fly, do this for me. Once in normal cruse, take your feet off the rudder pedals. Use your stick to level the plane, then observe where the sticks position is. Is it to the left of center or is it to the righ of center, or does it remain centered ? In this position of wings level, where is the ball? Is it to the right, or to the left, or is it centered? The monowheel does have a tendenancy to turn left a little, when flown solo. Jim Brown --- On Fri, 3/6/09, Kevin Klinefelter wrote: From: Kevin Klinefelter Subject: Re: Europa-List: Flap position, Flight testing To: europa-list@matronics.com Date: Friday, March 6, 2009, 1:04 PM Jim, In cruise I have to hold a little left rudder... Kevin ----- Original Message ----- From: Jim Brown To: europa-list@matronics.com Sent: Friday, March 06, 2009 4:21 AM Subject: Re: Europa-List: Flap position, Flight testing Kevin I would think that given the left flap is lower than the right flap that the plane would be turning right. Given that the left flap will have more pressure on it than the right flap. I would suggest that on the next flight check the turn and bank ball. and see if its setting to the right. Try centering the ball with rudder and see if that helps. Jim Brown --- On Thu, 3/5/09, Kevin Klinefelter wrote: From: Kevin Klinefelter Subject: Europa-List: Flap position, Flight testing To: europa-list@matronics.com Date: Thursday, March 5, 2009, 11:38 PM Hi All, Flight testing of 914 powered monowheel N211KA is going well (29 hours).I have a flap position question for those who have been there. The aircraft has an irritating left turn in it when flown solo and slight left turn with two up. When trimmed out cruising straight and level the ailerons are close to even with the wing tips and the left flap is noticeably lower relative to it's aileron than the right side, which is almost even with the aileron. I think if I can rig the left flap up even with the aileron it will help cure the left turning problem and be less drag. I thought I might get a new flap hinge arm (FL16) on the left and with the aircraft supported and flaps up in the desired position I could drill new holes thru the lugs on the tourqe tube so the left flap retacted position matches the right. Will this work or is there a better way? Thanks, Kevin... flying and grinning... arget=_blank rel=nofollow>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List =nofollow>http://forums.matronics.com blank rel=nofollow>http://www.matronics.com/contribution href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List">http://www.matron href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c arget=_blank rel=nofollow>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List =nofollow>http://forums.matronics.com blank rel=nofollow>http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 06:05:56 PM PST US From: DuaneFamly@aol.com Subject: Europa-List: Aileron Thickness Good day All, Quick question........when I install my ailerons, the top surface of each aileron is lower than the trailing edge of the wing.....how much is acceptable? Should it be filled with micro to make it flush with the wing trailing edge and then tapered to the aileron trailing edge? Mike Duane A207A Redding, California XS Conventional Gear Jabiru 3300 Sensenich R64Z N Ground Adjustable Prop **************Need a job? Find employment help in your area. (http://yellowpages.aol.com/search?query=employment_agencies&ncid=emlcntusyelp00000005) ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 06:22:55 PM PST US From: Fred Klein Subject: Europa-List: transponder antenna wiring Hi All, I'm in the midst of locating antennae and attempting to zero in on avionics selection. I find in the Garmin Installation Manual for their 320A transponder a max. length for the RG-400 coax to be 8.8 feet, 12.5 feet for RG304 (a coax which I've yet to see for sale anywhere, and 17.0 feet for "ECS Type 311601 sold by Electronic Cable Specialists in Wisconsin (again, a product which I haven't seen in any of our wiring discussions). This may be a moot point as I expect to use the Narco 165 (Value Series, to save a few bucks [unless the consensus might be that doing so would be pennywise/pound foolish].) I can't seem to find a downloadable installation manual for the Narco, so I'm not sure that Garmin's 8.8 foot max would still apply. On our forum, I've only found folks using RG-400. I don't see how I can get the distance down to an 8.8 foot run from antenna to the panel, unless I bring the transponder antenna forward to just aft of the baggage bay (close to strobe power supply; however, it seems many guys have put the transponder as far aft as possible abeam the rear bulkhead. Any advice and counsel to this electronic neophyte would be much appreciated...don't want to get anal, but don't want to create problems either, Thanks, Fred ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 06:22:55 PM PST US From: "craig bastin" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Flap position, Flight testing Glad to hear you are enjoying your baby -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Kevin Klinefelter Sent: Sunday, 15 March 2009 10:46 AM To: europa-list@matronics.com Subject: Re: Europa-List: Flap position, Flight testing Hi Jim, I have to hold just a little left rudder in cruise to center the ball on my Dynon. Seems like I am skidding just a bit. When I use the stick to level the plane I can do it with one finger, just a pound or so to keep the left wing up cruising solo. In this position of wings level the ball is off to the left just enough to put the ball 1/4 on the line. When gear and flaps are down, the left turn is more pronounced. And when stalled dirty the left wing always drops. Thanks to all for the responses. I have not tried changing anything yet. I have just been enjoying this great little plane and trying very hard to get better at landing her. I have been doing a lot of landings! And also some high cruising, 17,000 feet over the snow covered Sierra, just amazing to be there instead of in the garage... Kevin, 35+ hours on the hobbs A211, N211KA Mono XS Intercooled 914, Airmaster Prop From: Jim Brown To: europa-list@matronics.com Sent: Friday, March 06, 2009 6:02 PM Subject: Re: Europa-List: Flap position, Flight testing Kevin Your statment "in cruise I have to hold a little left rudder".. Is this to keep the plane from a slight turning to the right? Is the right wing low without rudder ? The next time you fly, do this for me. Once in normal cruse, take your feet off the rudder pedals. Use your stick to level the plane, then observe where the sticks position is. Is it to the left of center or is it to the righ of center, or does it remain centered ? In this position of wings level, where is the ball? Is it to the right, or to the left, or is it centered? The monowheel does have a tendenancy to turn left a little, when flown solo. Jim Brown --- On Fri, 3/6/09, Kevin Klinefelter wrote: From: Kevin Klinefelter Subject: Re: Europa-List: Flap position, Flight testing To: europa-list@matronics.com Date: Friday, March 6, 2009, 1:04 PM Jim, In cruise I have to hold a little left rudder... Kevin ----- Original Message ----- From: Jim Brown To: europa-list@matronics.com Sent: Friday, March 06, 2009 4:21 AM Subject: Re: Europa-List: Flap position, Flight testing Kevin I would think that given the left flap is lower than the right flap that the plane would be turning right. Given that the left flap will have more pressure on it than the right flap. I would suggest that on the next flight check the turn and bank ball. and see if its setting to the right. Try centering the ball with rudder and see if that helps. Jim Brown --- On Thu, 3/5/09, Kevin Klinefelter wrote: From: Kevin Klinefelter Subject: Europa-List: Flap position, Flight testing To: europa-list@matronics.com Date: Thursday, March 5, 2009, 11:38 PM Hi All, Flight testing of 914 powered monowheel N211KA is going well (29 hours).I have a flap position question for those who have been there. The aircraft has an irritating left turn in it when flown solo and slight left turn with two up. When trimmed out cruising straight and level the ailerons are close to even with the wing tips and the left flap is noticeably lower relative to it's aileron than the right side, which is almost even with the aileron. I think if I can rig the left flap up even with the aileron it will help cure the left turning problem and be less drag. I thought I might get a new flap hinge arm (FL16) on the left and with the aircraft supported and flaps up in the desired position I could drill new holes thru the lugs on the tourqe tube so the left flap retacted position matches the right. Will this work or is there a better way? Thanks, Kevin... flying and grinning... arget=_blank rel=nofollow>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List =nofollow>http://forums.matronics.com blank rel=nofollow>http://www.matronics.com/contribution href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List">http://www.matronhref "http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c arget=_blank rel=nofollow>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List =nofollow>http://forums.matronics.com blank rel=nofollow>http://www.matronics.com/contribution href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List">http://www.matronhref "http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 06:32:35 PM PST US From: "craig bastin" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Aileron Thickness Mine is the same. With flaps fully retracted the bottom of the flaps and ailerons line up nicely with the wing. I planned on doing the fill and sanding on the wing as one piece, with so its as good as it can be. -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of DuaneFamly@aol.com Sent: Sunday, 15 March 2009 11:04 AM To: europa-list@matronics.com Subject: Europa-List: Aileron Thickness Good day All, Quick question........when I install my ailerons, the top surface of each aileron is lower than the trailing edge of the wing.....how much is acceptable? Should it be filled with micro to make it flush with the wing trailing edge and then tapered to the aileron trailing edge? Mike Duane A207A Redding, California XS Conventional Gear Jabiru 3300 Sensenich R64Z N Ground Adjustable Prop ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Need a job? 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