---------------------------------------------------------- Europa-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sun 03/15/09: 15 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 12:17 AM - Re: transponder antenna wiring (Fred Klein) 2. 03:18 AM - Re: transponder antenna wiring (Frans Veldman) 3. 03:33 AM - Re: transponder antenna wiring (Robert C Harrison) 4. 07:49 AM - Re: Temperature drop across oil radiator (ALAN YERLY) 5. 09:18 AM - Re: Aileron Thickness (ALAN YERLY) 6. 09:21 AM - Re: transponder antenna wiring (Fred Klein) 7. 12:09 PM - Re: Aileron Thickness (DuaneFamly@aol.com) 8. 03:15 PM - Re: transponder antenna wiring (Frans Veldman) 9. 03:20 PM - Re: Flap position, Flight testing (Jim Brown) 10. 04:51 PM - Re: transponder antenna wiring (Rowland Carson) 11. 06:12 PM - Re: transponder antenna wiring (Paul McAllister) 12. 09:37 PM - Total energy probe install (rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us) 13. 09:37 PM - Re: Flap position, Flight testing (Kevin Klinefelter) 14. 09:49 PM - Re: transponder antenna wiring (rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us) 15. 09:53 PM - Re: Total energy probe install (Fred Klein) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 12:17:55 AM PST US From: Fred Klein Subject: Re: Europa-List: transponder antenna wiring Spent the evening at Europa University scrolling thru the archives on this subject...thanks for all the input assembled when these issues have been previously discussed so thoroughly! Fred On Mar 14, 2009, at 6:22 PM, Fred Klein wrote: > I'm in the midst of locating antennae and attempting to zero in on > avionics selection. > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 03:18:40 AM PST US From: Frans Veldman Subject: Re: Europa-List: transponder antenna wiring Fred Klein wrote: > I find in the Garmin Installation Manual for their 320A transponder a > max. length for the RG-400 coax to be 8.8 feet, 12.5 feet for RG304 (a > coax which I've yet to see for sale anywhere, and 17.0 feet for "ECS > Type 311601 sold by Electronic Cable Specialists in Wisconsin (again, a > product which I haven't seen in any of our wiring discussions). This may > be a moot point as I expect to use the Narco 165 (Value Series, to save > a few bucks [unless the consensus might be that doing so would be > pennywise/pound foolish].) This is one of the reasons why I choosed a transponder where the actual transmitter and the panel part are separate. There is just a very thin and light weight data cable in between; I will mount the antenna directly onto the transmitter part, which will be located somewhere in the tail section. Another reason for this is of course that mode-S is mandatory here. You might consider doing the same, especially if mode S requirements are foreseen in the near future. It saves you some headaches now and maybe in the future if mode S is coming your way ultimately. If you choose to go for the coax routing, keep in mind that the 8.8 foot is an arbitrairy value. You won't notice much difference between 8.5 foot of cable or 9 foot of cable. The whole point is that the high frequencies attenuate very fast in coax cable, so the shorter the better. In fact, a less optimal antenna location but with a shorter cable is preferable over a better antenna location but with a much longer cable. All this has nothing to do with the transponder manufacturer but with the signals used by the transponder, and is equal for Garmins and Narco's. Thicker, heavier cables have less attenuation than standard size coax, so these bulky cables can be used for longer distances. However, more length of a cable which is also heavier by itself, comes with a substantial weight penalty, and these cables are difficult to route. Bends need a large radius; a little bit to tight and the attenuation comes up again spoiling the advantages of the expensive heavy cable. Oh, and they often forget to tell you, but these cables "age" and losses build up year after year. A tiny amount of moisture in the cable kills the signals. All with all, I think I wouldn't go for low loss cables. An option would be to mount the transponder antenna under the radiator cowling. There is already metal there that can double duty as a ground plane, and as a shield/reflector, so the signals go to the ground instead of to your head and nearby avionics. ;-) And this allows for a very short cable run. And of course, it all depends about how much you care about transponder performance. ;-) -- Frans Veldman ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 03:33:33 AM PST US From: "Robert C Harrison" Subject: RE: Europa-List: transponder antenna wiring Hi! Fred Mine has worked with the Garmin 320A with the antenna located on the belly about 12" behind the enlarged baggage bay couldn't begin to tell you what standard wire or length it is. I hope I don't pick up any difficulty with the existing Gold Wing Strobe kit mounted about 24" further aft but I'm holding my breath with the Garmin 328 now fitted and the Skyflash strobe currently being fitted in identical locations. Regards Bob H G-PTAG -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Fred Klein Sent: 15 March 2009 01:22 Subject: Europa-List: transponder antenna wiring Hi All, I'm in the midst of locating antennae and attempting to zero in on avionics selection. I find in the Garmin Installation Manual for their 320A transponder a max. length for the RG-400 coax to be 8.8 feet, 12.5 feet for RG304 (a coax which I've yet to see for sale anywhere, and 17.0 feet for "ECS Type 311601 sold by Electronic Cable Specialists in Wisconsin (again, a product which I haven't seen in any of our wiring discussions). This may be a moot point as I expect to use the Narco 165 (Value Series, to save a few bucks [unless the consensus might be that doing so would be pennywise/pound foolish].) I can't seem to find a downloadable installation manual for the Narco, so I'm not sure that Garmin's 8.8 foot max would still apply. On our forum, I've only found folks using RG-400. I don't see how I can get the distance down to an 8.8 foot run from antenna to the panel, unless I bring the transponder antenna forward to just aft of the baggage bay (close to strobe power supply; however, it seems many guys have put the transponder as far aft as possible abeam the rear bulkhead. Any advice and counsel to this electronic neophyte would be much appreciated...don't want to get anal, but don't want to create problems either, Thanks, Fred ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 07:49:00 AM PST US From: "ALAN YERLY" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Temperature drop across oil radiator Gilles and Paul, My tests at the shop show a max of 60 F, so not too far off yours Paul. I designed my heater that pulls from the oil cooler to be at a delta of 30 F from the center of the cooler for us down here in Florida and it works out about right... Bud Yerly Custom Flight Creations ----- Original Message ----- From: Gilles Thesee To: europa-list@matronics.com Sent: Saturday, March 14, 2009 5:53 PM Subject: Re: Europa-List: Temperature drop across oil radiator > Paul McAllister a =E9crit : > I am trying to get some data on the temperature drop across the oil > cooler and I was wondering if any of the folks who had experimented > with oil thermostats have measured the oil inlet and outlet temperatures. Paul, No experience with oil thermostat (I consider cowl flaps much much preferable), but I measured oil temp drops of the order of 25-30=B0Celsius. Best regards, -- Gilles http://contrails.free.fr http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 09:18:51 AM PST US From: "ALAN YERLY" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Aileron Thickness Mike, Your top skin installation technique is what is the variable that we can't answer or fix for you on the gap difference between aircraft. I've finished a number of Europa's and most of us have about 1/16 finished up to an 1/8 inch if you lay a straight edge along the wing surface, again depending on top skin installation. To be honest, if you filled your ailerons and flaps before putting on the top skin, your gap spacing is more accurate and easier to do. Your weight arms will require extra filler on the top of the aileron and will help make an even fill of the gap. If you left your top skin untrimmed then put an 1/8 inch spacer (instead of the single mixing stick and tape spacer loosely called for in the manual) between the high point of the aileron and wing skin, the gap gets pretty large. If you let the top skin lay flat on the aileron and shimmed only the joint area at about 1/16 inch, the gap is pretty small. The top skin fit takes a little time to get right and get level. I filled one once to get it dead level, then put wet filler on the leading edge of the aileron and moved the aileron up and down to get the fill level exactly right to make the gap exactly match the upper wing surface and the flap (that was a builder's error we won't discuss). By the time, correction, extreme time it took me to get it finished, I added so much weight to the aileron, I had to add weight to the counterbalance arms to compensate. Now I just accept the small bump down and go with it. The foam contour of the aileron is pretty close to the radius you need so not a lot of leading edge radius work is necessary. Now to the fix: Sometimes the aileron itself is a little low on the lower surface, and a shim of epoxy glass or metal needs to be added to the wing hinge area to make it flush, or may need to be shimmed to make the top gap look better. The aileron will need a very small amount of filler to the lower surface near the hinge... This shimming will make a slightly off aileron look much better and require less filler. Call me lazy, but it is a lot less filler and is lighter to leave the small amount of gap and have a full aileron travel with a long 1/16 inch clearance between the skins with full up aileron. The Glider wing has the closeout skin on the bottom, and that is no picnic for getting the gap right either. In fact, on the glider, it is much tougher to get the closeout of the wing to work out well without building a jig. So be thankful for your small gap and a much easier to clearance aileron with the small bump. As a side note, the plane with the finished level aileron flew no differently to my taste. Just keep the lower hinge gap small ( just short of 1/16 inch finished) to reduce aileron gap seal leaks and it will roll delightfully. Bud Yerly Custom Flight Creations ----- Original Message ----- From: DuaneFamly@aol.com To: europa-list@matronics.com Sent: Saturday, March 14, 2009 9:04 PM Subject: Europa-List: Aileron Thickness Good day All, Quick question........when I install my ailerons, the top surface of each aileron is lower than the trailing edge of the wing.....how much is acceptable? Should it be filled with micro to make it flush with the wing trailing edge and then tapered to the aileron trailing edge? Mike Duane A207A Redding, California XS Conventional Gear Jabiru 3300 Sensenich R64Z N Ground Adjustable Prop ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Need a job? Find employment help in your area. http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 09:21:52 AM PST US From: Fred Klein Subject: Re: Europa-List: transponder antenna wiring On Mar 15, 2009, at 3:14 AM, Frans Veldman wrote: > This is one of the reasons why I chose a transponder where the actual > transmitter and the panel part are separate. Thanks Frans...and who makes such a transponder? Fred ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 12:09:30 PM PST US From: DuaneFamly@aol.com Subject: Re: Europa-List: Aileron Thickness Bud, Thank you for such a full and understandable explanation. I now know that with just a little adjustment to the hinge area and a little bit of fill on top I'll be good to go. Mike Duane A207A Redding, California XS Conventional Gear Jabiru 3300 Sensenich R64Z N Ground Adjustable Prop **************Need a job? Find employment help in your area. (http://yellowpages.aol.com/search?query=employment_agencies&ncid=emlcntusyelp00000005) ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 03:15:50 PM PST US From: Frans Veldman Subject: Re: Europa-List: transponder antenna wiring Fred Klein wrote: > Thanks Frans...and who makes such a transponder? Have a look at http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/avpages/garrechttransponder.php They are somewhat more costly than "standard" transponders, but if mode S becomes mandatory (like it is in Europe already in many countries) it saves you from buying a transponder twice. I believe it is just a matter of time before it becomes mandatory in the US as well. The good thing is that mode-S can be linked to the GPS, enabling TCAS for General Aviation. For my 914 powered ship an additional advantage is that the most heavy part of the transponder can be mounted aft, and only a very light weight control unit has to be mounted in the instrument panel. Anyway, I hate the costs, but as I said, in the Netherlands we have no other choise than mode-S, unless one wants to limit himself to a maximum of 1200 feet, and stay entirely out of controlled airspaces. -- Frans Veldman ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 03:20:03 PM PST US From: Jim Brown Subject: Re: Europa-List: Flap position, Flight testing Kevin - I had the same problem that you have, the ball was out about a quarter to t he left. I solved my problem by installing a wedge of balsa wood on the RIG HT side of the rudder. - The balsa wood came from a hobby shop, and is used for trailing edges on mo del wings.-It is shaped like a wedge. The front is maby 1/32 and the rear is 1/4 thick.. cut it to about 2 inches long. Temporary install on the Rig ht side of the rudder with the 1/4 inch thick part at the trailing edge of the rudder. Also locate it about half way down from the top of the rudder. I used masking tape to hold it on. Then go fly, get plane in normal cruise, take feet off pedals. where is ball. If the ball did no quite get centered .. Use a longer wedge. If ball went to far, cut the wedge shorter. and go fl y again. After a couple tries you should have the ball centered in normal c ruise. - You can attach any way you want. Glue it on, use vinyl tape, RTV.... This makes a neater installation than gluing a piece of aluminum on the rud der and then bending a tab to accomplish the same result. - When you start flying cross countrys at 17.500 ft you will see some very im pressive ground speeds. It blows the controller's mind when you tell him yo u are flying behind a Rotax. They think two strokes. - Jim Brown - --- On Sun, 3/15/09, Kevin Klinefelter wrote: From: Kevin Klinefelter Subject: Re: Europa-List: Flap position, Flight testing Hi Jim, I have- to hold just a little left rudder in cruise to center the ball on my Dynon. Seems like I am skidding just a bit. When I use the stick to level the plane I can do it with one finger, just a pound or so to keep the left wing up cruising solo. In this position of wi ngs level the ball is off to the left just enough to put the ball 1/4 on th e line. When gear and flaps are down, the left turn is more pronounced. And when st alled dirty the left wing always drops. - - Thanks to all for the responses. I have not tried changing anything yet. I have just been enjoying this great little plane and trying very hard to get better at landing her. I have been doing a lot of landings! And also some high cruising, 17,000 feet over the snow covered Sierra, just amazing to be there instead of in the garage... - Kevin, 35+ hours on the hobbs A211, N211KA Mono XS Intercooled 914, Airmaster-Prop From: Jim Brown Sent: Friday, March 06, 2009 6:02 PM Subject: Re: Europa-List: Flap position, Flight testing Kevin - Your statment "in cruise I have to hold a little left rudder".. Is this to keep the plane from a slight turning to the right? Is the right wing low wi thout rudder ? - The next time you fly, do this for me. Once in normal cruse, take your feet off the rudder pedals. Use your stick to level the plane, then observe whe re the sticks position is. Is it to the left of center or is it to the righ of center, or does it remain centered ? In this position of wings level, w here is the ball? Is it to the right, or to the left, or is it centered? - The monowheel-does have-a tendenancy to turn left a little, when flown solo. - Jim Brown --- On Fri, 3/6/09, Kevin Klinefelter wrote: From: Kevin Klinefelter Subject: Re: Europa-List: Flap position, Flight testing Jim, In cruise I have to hold a little left rudder... Kevin ----- Original Message ----- From: Jim Brown Sent: Friday, March 06, 2009 4:21 AM Subject: Re: Europa-List: Flap position, Flight testing Kevin - I would think that given the left flap is lower than the right flap that th e plane would be turning right. Given that the left flap will have more pre ssure on it than the right flap. - I would suggest that on the next flight check the turn and bank ball. and s ee if its setting to the right. Try centering the ball with rudder and see if that helps. - Jim Brown --- On Thu, 3/5/09, Kevin Klinefelter wrote: From: Kevin Klinefelter Subject: Europa-List: Flap position, Flight testing Hi All,--- --- - Flight testing of 914 powered monowheel N211KA is going well (29 hours).I h ave a flap position question for those who have been there. The aircraft has an irritating-left turn in it when flown solo and slight left turn with two up. When trimmed out cruising straight and level the ai lerons are close to even with the wing tips and the left flap is noticeably lower relative to it's aileron than the right side, which is almost even w ith the aileron. I think if I can rig the left flap up even with the ailero n it will help cure the left turning problem and be less drag. - I thought I might get a new flap hinge arm (FL16) on the left-and with th e aircraft supported and flaps up in the desired position I could drill new holes thru the lugs on the tourqe tube- so the left flap retacted positi on matches the right. - Will this work or is there a better way? - Thanks, Kevin... flying and grinning... - - arget=_blank rel=nofollow>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-Lis t =nofollow>http://forums.matronics.com blank rel=nofollow>http://www.matronics.com/contribution href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List">http://www.matronhr ef="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c arget=_blank rel=nofollow>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-Lis t =nofollow>http://forums.matronics.com blank rel=nofollow>http://www.matronics.com/contribution href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List">http://www.matronhr ef="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c =0A=0A=0A ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 04:51:01 PM PST US From: Rowland Carson Subject: Re: Europa-List: transponder antenna wiring At 2009-03-15 09:21 -0700 Fred Klein wrote: >On Mar 15, 2009, at 3:14 AM, Frans Veldman wrote: > >>This is one of the reasons why I chose a transponder where the actual >>transmitter and the panel part are separate. > >Thanks Frans...and who makes such a transponder Fred - have a look at the Trig TT21 - see: http://www.trig-avionics.com I think maybe Becker do a separate-head version too. regards Rowland -- | Rowland Carson http://home.clara.net/rowil/ | ... that's Rowland with a 'w' ... ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 06:12:47 PM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: transponder antenna wiring From: Paul McAllister If the price of 1300 pounds is correct, this is $1800 US... not bad for a mode S ! > Fred - have a look at the Trig TT21 - see: > > http://www.trig-avionics.com > > ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 09:37:17 PM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Total energy probe install From: rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us Hi Group I have a Ilec Vario and total energy probe. I want to mount my total energy probe before I bond on topfuse. Idea was to mount it on vertical fin. Anyone have any real world experience with a total energy probe mounted on vertical fin? Did you install level with port sill? Or mount at an angle to give it more height? What angle? Bout how high is the tip compared with rudder cap? Did you mount with bent part of probe tip pointing up, or down? Perhaps you mounted in another location than vertical fin? Any pics would be greatly appreciated. Ron Parigoris ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 09:37:19 PM PST US From: "Kevin Klinefelter" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Flap position, Flight testing Jim, I flew today with a friend (mutiple RV owner/builder) in the right seat. He's a far more experienced and talented pilot than I. The plane turned RIGHT ever so slightly hands off. The ball was off about the same to the left. Stalls dirty with the two of us broke a little to the right at low power. He did lots of stalls and thought the plane flew very nicely. So I'm not going to do anything regarding roll correction. I have a TruTrak autopilot installed but not hooked up yet. I imagine it will work well for longer flights, without aileron trim, solo or dual. I like your rudder trim solution. If I understand correctly it looks like a flettner strip on our trim tabs? My RV friend landed the Europa-mono four times, each one getting better. Made me feel better to see that he did some light bounces and showed me that a fine touch on the throttle does wonders. He was impressed with the 914/airmaster combo! Thanks, Kevin ----- Original Message ----- From: Jim Brown To: europa-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, March 15, 2009 3:19 PM Subject: Re: Europa-List: Flap position, Flight testing Kevin I had the same problem that you have, the ball was out about a quarter to the left. I solved my problem by installing a wedge of balsa wood on the RIGHT side of the rudder. The balsa wood came from a hobby shop, and is used for trailing edges on model wings. It is shaped like a wedge. The front is maby 1/32 and the rear is 1/4 thick.. cut it to about 2 inches long. Temporary install on the Right side of the rudder with the 1/4 inch thick part at the trailing edge of the rudder. Also locate it about half way down from the top of the rudder. I used masking tape to hold it on. Then go fly, get plane in normal cruise, take feet off pedals. where is ball. If the ball did no quite get centered. Use a longer wedge. If ball went to far, cut the wedge shorter. and go fly again. After a couple tries you should have the ball centered in normal cruise. You can attach any way you want. Glue it on, use vinyl tape, RTV.... This makes a neater installation than gluing a piece of aluminum on the rudder and then bending a tab to accomplish the same result. When you start flying cross countrys at 17.500 ft you will see some very impressive ground speeds. It blows the controller's mind when you tell him you are flying behind a Rotax. They think two strokes. Jim Brown --- On Sun, 3/15/09, Kevin Klinefelter wrote: From: Kevin Klinefelter Subject: Re: Europa-List: Flap position, Flight testing To: europa-list@matronics.com Date: Sunday, March 15, 2009, 12:46 AM Hi Jim, I have to hold just a little left rudder in cruise to center the ball on my Dynon. Seems like I am skidding just a bit. When I use the stick to level the plane I can do it with one finger, just a pound or so to keep the left wing up cruising solo. In this position of wings level the ball is off to the left just enough to put the ball 1/4 on the line. When gear and flaps are down, the left turn is more pronounced. And when stalled dirty the left wing always drops. Thanks to all for the responses. I have not tried changing anything yet. I have just been enjoying this great little plane and trying very hard to get better at landing her. I have been doing a lot of landings! And also some high cruising, 17,000 feet over the snow covered Sierra, just amazing to be there instead of in the garage... Kevin, 35+ hours on the hobbs A211, N211KA Mono XS Intercooled 914, Airmaster Prop From: Jim Brown To: europa-list@matronics.com Sent: Friday, March 06, 2009 6:02 PM Subject: Re: Europa-List: Flap position, Flight testing Kevin Your statment "in cruise I have to hold a little left rudder".. Is this to keep the plane from a slight turning to the right? Is the right wing low without rudder ? The next time you fly, do this for me. Once in normal cruse, take your feet off the rudder pedals. Use your stick to level the plane, then observe where the sticks position is. Is it to the left of center or is it to the righ of center, or does it remain centered ? In this position of wings level, where is the ball? Is it to the right, or to the left, or is it centered? The monowheel does have a tendenancy to turn left a little, when flown solo. Jim Brown --- On Fri, 3/6/09, Kevin Klinefelter wrote: From: Kevin Klinefelter Subject: Re: Europa-List: Flap position, Flight testing To: europa-list@matronics.com Date: Friday, March 6, 2009, 1:04 PM Jim, In cruise I have to hold a little left rudder... Kevin ----- Original Message ----- From: Jim Brown To: europa-list@matronics.com Sent: Friday, March 06, 2009 4:21 AM Subject: Re: Europa-List: Flap position, Flight testing Kevin I would think that given the left flap is lower than the right flap that the plane would be turning right. Given that the left flap will have more pressure on it than the right flap. I would suggest that on the next flight check the turn and bank ball. and see if its setting to the right. Try centering the ball with rudder and see if that helps. Jim Brown --- On Thu, 3/5/09, Kevin Klinefelter wrote: From: Kevin Klinefelter Subject: Europa-List: Flap position, Flight testing To: europa-list@matronics.com Date: Thursday, March 5, 2009, 11:38 PM Hi All, Flight testing of 914 powered monowheel N211KA is going well (29 hours).I have a flap position question for those who have been there. The aircraft has an irritating left turn in it when flown solo and slight left turn with two up. When trimmed out cruising straight and level the ailerons are close to even with the wing tips and the left flap is noticeably lower relative to it's aileron than the right side, which is almost even with the aileron. I think if I can rig the left flap up even with the aileron it will help cure the left turning problem and be less drag. I thought I might get a new flap hinge arm (FL16) on the left and with the aircraft supported and flaps up in the desired position I could drill new holes thru the lugs on the tourqe tube so the left flap retacted position matches the right. Will this work or is there a better way? Thanks, Kevin... flying and grinning... arget=_blank rel=nofollow>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List =nofollow>http://forums.matronics.com blank rel=nofollow>http://www.matronics.com/contribution href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List">http://www.matron href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c arget=_blank rel=nofollow>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List =nofollow>http://forums.matronics.com blank rel=nofollow>http://www.matronics.com/contribution href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List">http://www.matron href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c arget=_blank rel=nofollow>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List =nofollow>http://forums.matronics.com blank rel=nofollow>http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 09:49:10 PM PST US Subject: RE: Europa-List: transponder antenna wiring From: rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us Hi Fred I went with a long run of RG142A cable. See: http://www.europaowners.org/modules.php?set_albumName=album272&op=modload&name=gallery&file=index&include=view_album.php for information on cable and my plan. I went with a Becker 250 watt unit, not their 175 watt unit. If performance is poor, I have notes on RG213 equivilent from ECS. I have quote for them making up a cable with a BNC and TNC connector, a few hundred dollars. My run is from a bit forward of stabilator spar (torque tube) through tunnel and into Transponder. Going to have it checked before I bond top of fuse on. Boy is that RG142A thin and light. Ron P. ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 09:53:29 PM PST US From: Fred Klein Subject: Re: Europa-List: Total energy probe install Ron, Check w/ Rob Nells...he's placed his on the fin of his XS trigear w/ long wings...there are some pixs at matronics photoshare...I don't think he monitors the forum often. Fred On Mar 15, 2009, at 9:30 PM, rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us wrote: > I have a Ilec Vario and total energy probe. > > I want to mount my total energy probe before I bond on top fuse. > > Idea was to mount it on vertical fin. > > Anyone have any real world experience with a total energy probe > mounted on vertical fin? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message europa-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Europa-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/europa-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/europa-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.