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1. 02:38 PM - Cowl Question? (Jeffrey J Paris)
2. 03:05 PM - Re: Cowl Question? (jimpuglise@comcast.net)
3. 03:48 PM - rotax 912ULS Cooling Duct Question (JR Gowing)
4. 04:00 PM - Engine oil leak update (Paul McAllister)
5. 04:00 PM - AERO Friederichshafen (m.grass@comcast.net)
6. 05:34 PM - Re: rotax 912ULS Cooling Duct Question (ALAN YERLY)
7. 07:44 PM - Re: rotax 912ULS Cooling Duct Question (JR Gowing)
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Dear Europa List ,I have a question for the Europa List. =C2-I have attach
ed a picture of our original Europa Classic cowl (rotax) and naturally it do
esn't mate up with the Jab3300. =C2-With this in mind has anybody out ther
e in Experimental Europa/Jabiru land modified the original cowl to fit the J
AB? =C2-I have pictures of John Lawton's Europa =C2-N245E and I assume t
he cowling came from Jabiru USA ? =C2-And of course looks fantastic, howev
er, I find the original look of the Europa intriquing and full of "english"
personality! =C2-I like its big nose and hedgehog charm.I just thought I w
ould check to see if it had been done. =C2-It would take a great deal of m
odification to the air inlets and a quite a curvey nacelle =C2-would have
to be fabricated to make it work: =C2-And of course this brings up issues
with proper airflow and cooling of the equipment. =C2-So far with our curr
ent JAB we have had to wrestle with some cooling issues and it seems that co
wl design can be a fairly prickly issue...a black art for me at least.Thanks
for your time and consideration, Cheers!Jeff Paris #A012Peter Paris
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| Subject: | Re: Cowl Question? |
Jeff-
The original cowling was designed for the Rotax, which was the engine of ch
oice for the original airplane.=C2- I also have a Jab. and have the Jab.
FWF kit.=C2- Trying to modify the original cowling to fit the Jab. would
be a very extensive project.=C2- By far, your best bet is going to be to
use the Jab. kit.=C2- For starters, the Jab. is a bit longer than the Rot
ax and you would need to account for that, as well as the vastly different
cooling.=C2- Your best sources will be Bud or John Lawton.=C2-
Jim Puglise A-283
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From: "Jeffrey J Paris" <jeffrey-j-paris@excite.com>
Sent: Friday, April 3, 2009 5:35:12 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: Europa-List: Cowl Question?
Dear Europa List ,
I have a question for the Europa List. =C2-I have attached a picture of o
ur original Europa Classic cowl (rotax) and naturally it doesn't mate up wi
th the Jab3300. =C2-With this in mind has anybody out there in Experiment
al Europa/Jabiru land modified the original cowl to fit the JAB? =C2-I ha
ve pictures of John Lawton's Europa =C2-N245E and I assume the cowling ca
me from Jabiru USA ? =C2-And of course looks fantastic, however, I find t
he original look of the Europa intriquing and full of "english" personality
! =C2-I like its big nose and hedgehog charm.
I just thought I would check to see if it had been done. =C2-It would tak
e a great deal of modification to the air inlets and a quite a curvey nacel
le =C2-would have to be fabricated to make it work: =C2-And of course t
his brings up issues with proper airflow and cooling of the equipment. =C2
-So far with our current JAB we have had to wrestle with some cooling iss
ues and it seems that cowl design can be a fairly prickly issue...a black a
rt for me at least.
Thanks for your time and consideration, Cheers!
Jeff Paris #A012
Peter Paris
Dear Europa List ,
I have a question for the Europa List. =C2-I have attached a picture of o
ur original Europa Classic cowl (rotax) and naturally it doesn't mate up wi
th the Jab3300. =C2-With this in mind has anybody out there in Experiment
al Europa/Jabiru land modified the original cowl to fit the JAB? =C2-I ha
ve pictures of John Lawton's Europa =C2-N245E and I assume the cowling ca
me from Jabiru USA ? =C2-And of course looks fantastic, however, I find t
he original look of the Europa intriquing and full of "english" personality
! =C2-I like its big nose and hedgehog charm.
I just thought I would check to see if it had been done. =C2-It would tak
e a great deal of modification to the air inlets and a quite a curvey nacel
le =C2-would have to be fabricated to make it work: =C2-And of course t
his brings up issues with proper airflow and cooling of the equipment. =C2
-So far with our current JAB we have had to wrestle with some cooling iss
ues and it seems that cowl design can be a fairly prickly issue...a black a
rt for me at least.
Thanks for your time and consideration, Cheers!
Jeff Paris #A012
Peter Paris
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| Subject: | rotax 912ULS Cooling Duct Question |
To the list for a quick reply if anyone is listening .......
AN3--5A bolts hold the CD4's and CD5's to the footwells but there seems to
be no guidance as to what holds the CD4' and 5's to the duct.
So what have others used please=3F
JR (Bob) Gowing UK Kit 327 in Oz
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Sent: Saturday, April 04, 2009 9:03 AM
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Cowl Question=3F
Jeff-
The original cowling was designed for the Rotax, which was the engine of
choice for the original airplane. I also have a Jab. and have the Jab. FWF
kit. Trying to modify the original cowling to fit the Jab. would be a ver
y extensive project. By far, your best bet is going to be to use the Jab.
kit. For starters, the Jab. is a bit longer than the Rotax and you would n
eed to account for that, as well as the vastly different cooling. Your bes
t sources will be Bud or John Lawton.
Jim Puglise A-283
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To: europa-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, April 3, 2009 5:35:12 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: Europa-List: Cowl Question=3F
Dear Europa List ,
I have a question for the Europa List. I have attached a picture of our
original Europa Classic cowl (rotax) and naturally it doesn't mate up with
the Jab3300. With this in mind has anybody out there in Experimental Europ
a/Jabiru land modified the original cowl to fit the JAB=3F I have pictures o
f John Lawton's Europa N245E and I assume the cowling came from Jabiru USA
=3F And of course looks fantastic, however, I find the original look of the
Europa intriquing and full of =22english=22 personality! I like its big nose
and hedgehog charm.
I just thought I would check to see if it had been done. It would take a
great deal of modification to the air inlets and a quite a curvey nacelle
would have to be fabricated to make it work: And of course this brings up
issues with proper airflow and cooling of the equipment. So far with our
current JAB we have had to wrestle with some cooling issues and it seems th
at cowl design can be a fairly prickly issue...a black art for me at least.
Thanks for your time and consideration, Cheers!
Jeff Paris #A012
Peter Paris
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| Subject: | Engine oil leak update |
Hi all,
I just wanted to give you an update on my Rotax leaking crankcase. About a
year ago I saw a small oil leak start on the engine just behind the gearbox
on the flat machined surface on top of the engine. After a while the
leaking area started to slowly progress along the case towards the back of
the engine and then along the bottom. While I was at the Oshkosh airshow I
went and talked to the mechanic from Kodiak to get his opinion. He told me
that some 912 / 914's were getting crankcase fretting and over time the
cases were damaged to such an extend that they had to be replaced. His
advice to to have the engine stripped and inspected.
Well this winter I removed the engine and took it to Leading Edge Airfoil
who has a rotax trained A&P on staff. He stripped the engine and sure
enough it was showing signs of fretting. The engine has about 750 hours on
it at the moment. Fortunately it was not too bad and he was able to dress
the cases and re assemble the engine. He used a different sealant, 5150 I
believe it was called instead of the red Locktite sealant that was on
before. He tells me that Rotax now specify this sealant. It is a heavier
material and apparently is swells a little after application, perhaps from
heat, I am not sure. He felt confident that this would tighten things up
and I should not have any problems. A couple of other things to note, at
750 hours there was no sign of wear in any part of the engine. The only
thing he mentioned was a slight scuff on a cam follower that would have been
from not priming the engine properly after an oil change. I remember
exactly when I did that ! He as able to polish it out. There was a little
bit of oil flashing on some of the piston skirts and he told me that this
was from using either mineral or semi synthetic. I have been using the
recommended Penzol motorcycle oil although this has dropped off the list in
recent times, so I changed to the Valvoline Durablend. He was strongly
recommending I go to a full synthetic oil. He also wanted me to stop using
the Challenger oil filters, he tells me that they have less pleats in them.
The only other thing of note was the Turbo charger bracket was broken.
So it would appear that Kodiak was right and if I hadn't had this work done
I would have lost the cases. While he had it apart he overhauled the
gearbox which was due, replaced the plugs, and the rubber boots on the
carburettors, so my oil leak repair came to 3900 dollars. Ouch. Rotax
really have no shame, the gasket set is over a 1000 dollars for something
that has a trivial manufactured cost but there is little that any of us can
do about that matter.
The aircraft is going to be a little while before it is flying again, I have
decided to take a crack at some cooling modifications while it is all apart.
Paul
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You would be able to claim them from the Internet and print them out.
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| Subject: | Re: rotax 912ULS Cooling Duct Question |
Sorry about that, I'll put it in to the next revision.
Typically I use AN 3-3A or -4As depending on the shank requirement.
Here is the trick. I sometimes use the AN-4 through the glycol cooler
for the front hole support on the stbd side and will generally now put a
nut plate in the aft side and the port side. The oil cooler is narrow
enough that if you choose wisely all will clear. But make sure that the
end of the bolt does not contact the coolers. If you choose to put nuts
and bolts on, make a thin 3/8 wrench and put the bolt in from the inside
There is just enough room to put a thin wrench in between the duct and
cooler. Because I am lazy I make a hole in the stbd bracket like in the
port side to inspect my radiator hose.
Why use nut plates? Because I have a 914 and you have to pull the duct
down to do almost anything on a turbo. Besides, if the duct is easy to
remove, it pays dividends when you have to do modifications or just want
to clean up the engine for an inspection. Same way for the footwells...
I put nut plates in everything. Once the interior is in, I don't want
to rip it out because I have the desire to fiddle with my engine.
Any other ideas?
Bud Yerly
Custom Flight Creations
US Dealer
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To: europa-list@matronics.com<mailto:europa-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Friday, April 03, 2009 6:45 PM
Subject: Europa-List: rotax 912ULS Cooling Duct Question
=EF=BB
To the list for a quick reply if anyone is listening .......
AN3--5A bolts hold the CD4's and CD5's to the footwells but there
seems to be no guidance as to what holds the CD4' and 5's to the duct.
So what have others used please?
JR (Bob) Gowing UK Kit 327 in Oz
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To: europa-list@matronics.com<mailto:europa-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Saturday, April 04, 2009 9:03 AM
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Cowl Question?
Jeff-
The original cowling was designed for the Rotax, which was the
engine of choice for the original airplane. I also have a Jab. and have
the Jab. FWF kit. Trying to modify the original cowling to fit the Jab.
would be a very extensive project. By far, your best bet is going to be
to use the Jab. kit. For starters, the Jab. is a bit longer than the
Rotax and you would need to account for that, as well as the vastly
different cooling. Your best sources will be Bud or John Lawton.
Jim Puglise A-283
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From: "Jeffrey J Paris" <jeffrey-j-paris@excite.com>
To: europa-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, April 3, 2009 5:35:12 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: Europa-List: Cowl Question?
Dear Europa List ,
I have a question for the Europa List. I have attached a picture of
our original Europa Classic cowl (rotax) and naturally it doesn't mate
up with the Jab3300. With this in mind has anybody out there in
Experimental Europa/Jabiru land modified the original cowl to fit the
JAB? I have pictures of John Lawton's Europa N245E and I assume the
cowling came from Jabiru USA ? And of course looks fantastic, however,
I find the original look of the Europa intriquing and full of "english"
personality! I like its big nose and hedgehog charm.
I just thought I would check to see if it had been done. It would
take a great deal of modification to the air inlets and a quite a curvey
nacelle would have to be fabricated to make it work: And of course
this brings up issues with proper airflow and cooling of the equipment.
So far with our current JAB we have had to wrestle with some cooling
issues and it seems that cowl design can be a fairly prickly issue...a
black art for me at least.
Thanks for your time and consideration, Cheers!
Jeff Paris #A012
Peter Paris
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| Subject: | Re: rotax 912ULS Cooling Duct Question |
Thank you Bud
What speed!
I am off now to look carefully at your advice..........
JR (Bob) Going in Oz
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From: ALAN YERLY
To: europa-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, April 04, 2009 11:30 AM
Subject: Re: Europa-List: rotax 912ULS Cooling Duct Question
Sorry about that, I'll put it in to the next revision.
Typically I use AN 3-3A or -4As depending on the shank requirement.
Here is the trick. I sometimes use the AN-4 through the glycol cooler
for the front hole support on the stbd side and will generally now put a
nut plate in the aft side and the port side. The oil cooler is narrow
enough that if you choose wisely all will clear. But make sure that the
end of the bolt does not contact the coolers. If you choose to put nuts
and bolts on, make a thin 3/8 wrench and put the bolt in from the inside
There is just enough room to put a thin wrench in between the duct and
cooler. Because I am lazy I make a hole in the stbd bracket like in the
port side to inspect my radiator hose.
Why use nut plates? Because I have a 914 and you have to pull the
duct down to do almost anything on a turbo. Besides, if the duct is
easy to remove, it pays dividends when you have to do modifications or
just want to clean up the engine for an inspection. Same way for the
footwells... I put nut plates in everything. Once the interior is in,
I don't want to rip it out because I have the desire to fiddle with my
engine.
Any other ideas?
Bud Yerly
Custom Flight Creations
US Dealer
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From: JR Gowing
To: europa-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, April 03, 2009 6:45 PM
Subject: Europa-List: rotax 912ULS Cooling Duct Question
=EF=BB
To the list for a quick reply if anyone is listening .......
AN3--5A bolts hold the CD4's and CD5's to the footwells but there
seems to be no guidance as to what holds the CD4' and 5's to the duct.
So what have others used please?
JR (Bob) Gowing UK Kit 327 in Oz
----- Original Message -----
From: jimpuglise@comcast.net
To: europa-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, April 04, 2009 9:03 AM
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Cowl Question?
Jeff-
The original cowling was designed for the Rotax, which was the
engine of choice for the original airplane. I also have a Jab. and have
the Jab. FWF kit. Trying to modify the original cowling to fit the Jab.
would be a very extensive project. By far, your best bet is going to be
to use the Jab. kit. For starters, the Jab. is a bit longer than the
Rotax and you would need to account for that, as well as the vastly
different cooling. Your best sources will be Bud or John Lawton.
Jim Puglise A-283
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From: "Jeffrey J Paris" <jeffrey-j-paris@excite.com>
To: europa-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, April 3, 2009 5:35:12 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada
Eastern
Subject: Europa-List: Cowl Question?
Dear Europa List ,
I have a question for the Europa List. I have attached a picture
of our original Europa Classic cowl (rotax) and naturally it doesn't
mate up with the Jab3300. With this in mind has anybody out there in
Experimental Europa/Jabiru land modified the original cowl to fit the
JAB? I have pictures of John Lawton's Europa N245E and I assume the
cowling came from Jabiru USA ? And of course looks fantastic, however,
I find the original look of the Europa intriquing and full of "english"
personality! I like its big nose and hedgehog charm.
I just thought I would check to see if it had been done. It would
take a great deal of modification to the air inlets and a quite a curvey
nacelle would have to be fabricated to make it work: And of course
this brings up issues with proper airflow and cooling of the equipment.
So far with our current JAB we have had to wrestle with some cooling
issues and it seems that cowl design can be a fairly prickly issue...a
black art for me at least.
Thanks for your time and consideration, Cheers!
Jeff Paris #A012
Peter Paris
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