---------------------------------------------------------- Europa-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Tue 04/07/09: 13 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 03:15 AM - Re: Brake Fluid (Roger Bull) 2. 04:38 AM - Re: Battery capacity (craig bastin) 3. 05:13 AM - 912S upgrade (Neil France) 4. 09:05 AM - Another new US certified ASTM compliant LSA using RAM Sube EA81 (glenn crowder) 5. 11:30 AM - Re: Another new US certified ASTM compliant LSA using RAM Sube EA81 (Paul McAllister) 6. 11:44 AM - Re: Another new US certified ASTM compliant LSA using RAM Sube EA81 (glenn crowder) 7. 12:25 PM - Re: tailwheel horn (danbish) 8. 01:26 PM - Fuel Vent Pipe (Flying Farmer) 9. 01:43 PM - Re: Another new US certified ASTM compliant LSA using RAM Sube EA81 (Paul McAllister) 10. 02:50 PM - Re: Another new US certified ASTM compliant LSA using RAM Sube EA81 (glenn crowder) 11. 04:10 PM - Re: Fuel Vent Pipe (Robert C Harrison) 12. 06:50 PM - Re: Fuel Vent Pipe (Kevin Klinefelter) 13. 08:37 PM - Re: Fuel Vent Pipe (JEFF ROBERTS) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 03:15:33 AM PST US From: "Roger Bull" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Brake Fluid -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of JEFF ROBERTS Sent: 05 April 2009 11:15 pm Subject: Re: Europa-List: Brake Fluid Hi Troy, You are good to go on the dot-5. Sounds like your starting to see the light at the end of the tunnel. Any chance you'll be doing some lose formation flying at Rough River this year? ;o) Jeff R. A258 - N128LJ / Gold Rush 176 hours and back in the air. On Apr 5, 2009, at 4:18 PM, Troy Maynor wrote: > Hi Again All, > I am about to put brake fluid in and bleed the system. Before I do, I > want to make sure the data I found in the archive is correct. I read > that DOT 5 silicone is good for ALL types of systems installed on the > Europa. Mine is the original "Kart" design I think, that came with kit > no. 120. I just wanted to make sure it's not going to consume my > seals before I put it in. Any comments or suggestions. > Troy Maynor > > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 04:38:43 AM PST US From: "craig bastin" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Battery capacity I suggest you have a look for LiFePo batteries, some one had a link for them here a few months ago. the size and performance is quite a bit better than LiPo. If memory serves a 14v battery weighed in at about a pound and was good for about 150amp draw so you could use it to start your A/C a bit of quick hunting I found AA size cells 3.2 volts at 10Ah capacity. http://www.alibaba.com/product-gs/225162127/Lithium_Battery_Pack_12V_20Ah_Li FePO4.html -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Paul McAllister Sent: Tuesday, 7 April 2009 8:49 AM To: europa-list@matronics.com Subject: Re: Europa-List: Battery capacity Hi All, I am trying to determine the battery technology. Unless I am missing it, I can't find it stated. Can anyone else ? I did find a light weight battery for the race car fraternity that was Li Ion, that was 4 pounds at around 16 a/h capacity, but I have lost the URL. The Li Ion tehnology brings with it different problems. I saw a very impressive video demonstrating a nail piercing a set of cells, the result was explosive to say the least. Anyhow, if anyone tumbles over the URL please forward it on to me. Cheers, Paul ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 05:13:03 AM PST US From: "Neil France" Subject: Europa-List: 912S upgrade If anyone is interested in upgrading their aircraft from 80HP to 100HP, I have available, a 912S engine with 65 hours from new, and am looking for a 912UL engine with reasonably low hours. I am looking to do a deal , with or without labour costs included. Anyone interested, please email me off list, or contact through the LAA inspectors list. Neil France. Do not archive ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 09:05:46 AM PST US From: glenn crowder Subject: Europa-List: Another new US certified ASTM compliant LSA using RAM Sube EA81 This is a flyaway S-LSA certified for the US market http://www.eaglesportplane.com/ram115engine.asp _________________________________________________________________ Rediscover Hotmail=AE: Get quick friend updates right in your inbox. http://windowslive.com/RediscoverHotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_Rediscover_ Updates1_042009 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 11:30:43 AM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: Another new US certified ASTM compliant LSA using RAM Sube EA81 From: Paul McAllister Hi Glen I Googled for the RAM Engine's WEB site but didn't get a hit. Do you happen to have a URL ? I was curious how much it weighed. ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 11:44:04 AM PST US From: glenn crowder Subject: RE: Europa-List: Another new US certified ASTM compliant LSA using RAM Sube EA81 Hey Paul - Rams site is http://www.ramengines.com/. There are quite a few good pics on the Patriot site showing engine mount/exhaust system mockups plus severa l showing the engine on a digital scale. Showing 140 lbs minus redrive=2C exhaust an d oil/water rads=2C 186 with redrive. http://www.eaglesportplane.com/constructiongalle ry.asp Glenn Subject: Re: Europa-List: Another new US certified ASTM compliant LSA using RAM Sube EA81 From: paul.the.aviator@gmail.com Hi Glen I Googled for the RAM Engine's WEB site but didn't get a hit. Do you happen to have a URL ? I was curious how much it weighed. _________________________________________________________________ Rediscover Hotmail=AE: Get e-mail storage that grows with you. http://windowslive.com/RediscoverHotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_Rediscover_ Storage1_042009 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 12:25:42 PM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: tailwheel horn From: "danbish" Hi Fred, This should work fine. Thanks again, and happy building. Dan Visit - www.EuropaOwners.org ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 01:26:21 PM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Fuel Vent Pipe From: "Flying Farmer" Some Europas builders have mounted there fuel vent pipe on the bottom of there fuselage insted of the top. On the tri-gear, I was wondering what has been found to be the best location? As picture paint a thousand words, I would be grateful for any you may have. Thank you Richard Visit - www.EuropaOwners.org ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 01:43:24 PM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: Another new US certified ASTM compliant LSA using RAM Sube EA81 From: Paul McAllister Hi Glenn, I found the all up weight as 176 pounds wet. This is getting close to the 912S at 140 pounds wet at 160 for the 914. The ram engine numbers weight are impressive. Although there are many other parameters to be considered, at least this is starting to take the weight argument off the table. Paul do not archive. ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 02:50:25 PM PST US From: glenn crowder Subject: RE: Europa-List: Another new US certified ASTM compliant LSA using RAM Sube EA81 Hey Paul - the RAM install with my fixed pitch Catto prop seems to weigh in about the same as a lot of 914's with C/S prop. I weigh in at 930 lbs but I've got a number of weight saving projects to do . I'm using a steel flywheel when I could go to Alu=2C my exhaust system is made from .049 wall 304 SS when it could hav e been .035=2C my motor mount could support an Allison T56 according to some people=2C valve covers are heavy steel cou ld easily be fiberglass=2C etc=2C etc. Hoping to upgrade to a roller cam/rocker setup and MPFI at some point. Glenn Subject: Re: Europa-List: Another new US certified ASTM compliant LSA using RAM Sube EA81 From: paul.the.aviator@gmail.com Hi Glenn=2C I found the all up weight as 176 pounds wet. This is getting close to the 9 12S at 140 pounds wet at 160 for the 914. The ram engine numbers weight are impressive. Although there are many othe r parameters to be considered=2C at least this is starting to take the weig ht argument off the table. Paul do not archive. _________________________________________________________________ Rediscover Hotmail=AE: Get e-mail storage that grows with you. http://windowslive.com/RediscoverHotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_Rediscover_ Storage1_042009 ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 04:10:51 PM PST US From: "Robert C Harrison" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Fuel Vent Pipe Hi! Richard If you do a bottom vent pipe exit (say out one of the flap control hinge slots in the floor you need an anti-siphon collector bottle in the top of the fuselage roof which can empty back into the tank with the vent continuing out of the bottle in a higher mode. Sorry no pictures available. Regards Bob Harrison G-PTAG Trike. -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Flying Farmer Sent: 07 April 2009 21:24 Subject: Europa-List: Fuel Vent Pipe Some Europas builders have mounted there fuel vent pipe on the bottom of there fuselage insted of the top. On the tri-gear, I was wondering what has been found to be the best location? As picture paint a thousand words, I would be grateful for any you may have. Thank you Richard Visit - www.EuropaOwners.org ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 06:50:09 PM PST US From: "Kevin Klinefelter" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Fuel Vent Pipe I did mine the way Paul McAlister showed on his build web-site. Simple and works very well. The "anti-siphon" fitting goes in the fuel filler neck. The 3/8" aluminum tubing vents well while filling the fuel. Thanks Paul! Kevin ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert C Harrison" Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 4:09 PM Subject: RE: Europa-List: Fuel Vent Pipe > > > Hi! Richard > If you do a bottom vent pipe exit (say out one of the flap control hinge > slots in the floor you need an anti-siphon collector bottle in the top > of the fuselage roof which can empty back into the tank with the vent > continuing out of the bottle in a higher mode. > Sorry no pictures available. > Regards > Bob Harrison G-PTAG Trike. > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Flying > Farmer > Sent: 07 April 2009 21:24 > To: europa-list@matronics.com > Subject: Europa-List: Fuel Vent Pipe > > > > Some Europas builders have mounted there fuel vent pipe on the bottom of > there fuselage insted of the top. On the tri-gear, I was wondering what > has been found to be the best location? > > As picture paint a thousand words, I would be grateful for any you may > have. > > Thank you > Richard > > > Visit - www.EuropaOwners.org > > > ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 08:37:13 PM PST US From: JEFF ROBERTS Subject: Re: Europa-List: Fuel Vent Pipe Thats how I did mine and it's worked perfect for 2 years. Jeff R. A258 - N128LJ / Gold Rush 180 hours and hoping for clear weather for Sn-N-Fun. On Apr 7, 2009, at 8:48 PM, Kevin Klinefelter wrote: > > > I did mine the way Paul McAlister showed on his build web-site. Simple > and works very well. The "anti-siphon" fitting goes in the fuel filler > neck. The 3/8" aluminum tubing vents well while filling the fuel. > Thanks Paul! > > Kevin > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert C Harrison" > > To: > Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 4:09 PM > Subject: RE: Europa-List: Fuel Vent Pipe > > >> >> >> Hi! Richard >> If you do a bottom vent pipe exit (say out one of the flap control >> hinge >> slots in the floor you need an anti-siphon collector bottle in the top >> of the fuselage roof which can empty back into the tank with the vent >> continuing out of the bottle in a higher mode. >> Sorry no pictures available. >> Regards >> Bob Harrison G-PTAG Trike. >> -----Original Message----- >> From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com >> [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Flying >> Farmer >> Sent: 07 April 2009 21:24 >> To: europa-list@matronics.com >> Subject: Europa-List: Fuel Vent Pipe >> >> >> >> Some Europas builders have mounted there fuel vent pipe on the bottom >> of >> there fuselage insted of the top. On the tri-gear, I was wondering >> what >> has been found to be the best location? >> >> As picture paint a thousand words, I would be grateful for any you may >> have. >> >> Thank you >> Richard >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Visit - www.EuropaOwners.org >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message europa-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Europa-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/europa-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/europa-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.