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1. 01:52 AM - ELT and Mode S in NL (David Corbett)
2. 02:53 AM - Re: finger strainers (Rowland Carson)
3. 03:20 AM - Re: ELT and Mode S in NL (Jan de Jong)
4. 03:40 AM - Re: Door Hinges (Kevin Klinefelter)
5. 03:49 AM - Re: finger strainers (peter.rees01@tiscali.co.uk)
6. 04:53 AM - Re: Bungee Install (craig bastin)
7. 07:28 AM - Re: Door Hinges (ALAN YERLY)
8. 08:03 AM - Re: Bungee Install (rick)
9. 09:14 AM - Re: Mod 70 (Raimo Toivio)
10. 10:30 AM - Re: Door Hinges (danbish)
11. 12:11 PM - Re: Bungee Install (danbish)
12. 12:28 PM - Re: Mod 70 (Robert Borger)
13. 04:53 PM - Re: Mod 70 (Graham Singleton)
14. 06:44 PM - Re: Mod 70 (Karl Heindl)
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Subject: | ELT and Mode S in NL |
Frans,
Thank you for your comment yesterday.
Barry Plumb, of the UK LAA, is chasing this with EU countries up on behalf
of LAA members, but with less than 4 weeks to go until we set off, I am
distinctly nervous about this situation!
Best wishes,
David
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Subject: | Re: finger strainers |
At 2009-04-13 21:59 +0100 Peter Rees wrote:
>after soaking the unit in petrol for about 6 hours, the redux
>doesn't appear to be 100 percent fuel resistant as it seems to have
>softened (it was given about 72 hrs to cure)
Peter - off the top of my head, I seem to recall about 5 days at 25C
is the recommended period for full-strength cure of Redux. Maybe
yours hadn't really cured before you put it in the fuel. I think the
manual does say something explicit about doing the bonding-in well
ahead of time so it's really well cured before being exposed to fuel.
regards
Rowland
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Subject: | Re: ELT and Mode S in NL |
It is actually worse than Frans said. The publication is:
http://www.ais-netherlands.nl/aim/misc/EH-eSUP-09-04-en-GB.pdf
Something like this:
1. Mode S is mandatory if you want to fly above 1200', so we all got it
installed
2. if you have a Mode S transponder installed you must have it on
3. can't have the transponder on under the Schiphol TMA (the part with
1500' bottom) because ATC gets confused
4. therefore you can't fly VFR there
Two years ago we could all just put our transponder on standby when
flying under Schiphol TMA (this is again the prescribed solution around
EHHV and EHLE).
Now we have mandatory mode S and in this new world the standby option
was somehow disregarded.
The ruling caused uproar and then meetings and discussion and a updated
publication is expected by the end of this week.
We will see.
Regards,
Jan de Jong
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Hi Dan,
I used some stainless steel hinge that worked out nicely. I have several
feet of it left over because I had to order a minimum of 4 feet I think.
Want me to send you some?
Kevin
----- Original Message -----
From: "danbish" <bdanbish@gmail.com>
Sent: Monday, April 13, 2009 10:26 PM
Subject: Europa-List: Door Hinges
>
> Since it looks like my kit is missing door hinges of any type, I'll have
> to get some. I seem to remember talk of stronger hinges for the doors
> being spec'd out at some point. Anyone have a vendor/part # handy?
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> Thanks,
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> Dan
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> Visit - www.EuropaOwners.org
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Subject: | Re: finger strainers |
Thanks everyone for replies - I'll dry them off and see if they will
cure after exposure to fuel or if its time for another piece of gauze.
Regards
Peter
----Original Message----
From: rowil@clara.net
Subj: Re: Europa-List: finger strainers
At 2009-04-13 21:59 +0100 Peter Rees wrote:
>after soaking the unit in petrol for about 6 hours, the redux
>doesn't appear to be 100 percent fuel resistant as it seems to have
>softened (it was given about 72 hrs to cure)
Peter - off the top of my head, I seem to recall about 5 days at 25C
is the recommended period for full-strength cure of Redux. Maybe
yours hadn't really cured before you put it in the fuel. I think the
manual does say something explicit about doing the bonding-in well
ahead of time so it's really well cured before being exposed to fuel.
regards
Rowland
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I believe some of the guys also ran the bungee as a series gaint rubber
bands, which allowed each one to be adjusted, and tension was controled
by adding or removing as required. Not sure how the ends were fixed though.
craig
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From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of danbish
Sent: Tuesday, 14 April 2009 3:34 PM
Subject: Europa-List: Bungee Install
Hi All,
I remember seeing something on here about a slight mod to the installation
of the bungee cord, something about cutting it into 2 pieces? Can't find
anything on it now, just wondering if there's anyone with more info on this
and what the benefit is of doing it.
Thanks,
Dan
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RE: Door hinges.
If you believe stronger hinges are needed=2C keep in mind that you will rip
out the fiberglass in the cabin top or door tang instead of the hinge fail
ing and maybe causing some minor cracking which is easily repaired.
During start and run up if you insist on leaving the door open=2C stronger
hinges may be OK but you better lay some extra glass on the top.
I've replaced three sprung or lost doors over the last five years. He who
had the stronger hinges paid more to have the top of the aircraft repaired
=2C vs replacing the door.
The hing material is MS 20001-5. Available at Aircraft Spruce.
Custom Flight Creations (813) 653-4989
> Subject: Europa-List: Door Hinges
> From: bdanbish@gmail.com
> Date: Tue=2C 14 Apr 2009 08:26:18 +0300
> To: europa-list@matronics.com
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> Since it looks like my kit is missing door hinges of any type=2C I'll hav
e to get some. I seem to remember talk of stronger hinges for the doors bei
ng spec'd out at some point. Anyone have a vendor/part # handy?
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> Thanks=2C
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> Dan
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> Visit - www.EuropaOwners.org
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Dead easy. We used little wire 'u' clamps available from any DIY place.
After about 200 hours on a very bumpy strip I'm thinking of maybe adding
another (10 minute job) but it's been no problem. There will be all the
details in the archives.
Cheers
Rick Morris
G-RIKS Tri 912S
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of craig bastin
Sent: 14 April 2009 12:50
Subject: RE: Europa-List: Bungee Install
--> <craigb@onthenet.com.au>
I believe some of the guys also ran the bungee as a series gaint rubber
bands, which allowed each one to be adjusted, and tension was controled by
adding or removing as required. Not sure how the ends were fixed though.
craig
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of danbish
Sent: Tuesday, 14 April 2009 3:34 PM
Subject: Europa-List: Bungee Install
Hi All,
I remember seeing something on here about a slight mod to the installation
of the bungee cord, something about cutting it into 2 pieces? Can't find
anything on it now, just wondering if there's anyone with more info on this
and what the benefit is of doing it.
Thanks,
Dan
Visit - www.EuropaOwners.org
Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
17:56:00
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Bud and all
is there any mod that replaces bungee to spring(s) in mono?
I read Curtis Jaussi=B4s earlier message carelessly and thought there is
but understood later he has a trike and has replaced trike=B4s bungee to
springs.
Raimo OH-XRT
----- Original Message -----
From: ALAN YERLY
To: europa-list
Sent: Friday, April 10, 2009 3:12 AM
Subject: RE: Europa-List: Mod 70
Curtis...
If you built the mass balance arm properly and didn't bugger up the
holes or have a tail wheel type, the original mass balance arm seems to
be holding up. But over time, side play will wallow out the 3/16 holes
and that is what we were concerned about.
I hope you have a good sized access hole. If you do, it takes 2-4
hours depending on turnbuckles, cables, your tower width, etc. Pretty
much a no brainer.
The new part is properly made and will serve many years without fail.
If you install the TP18 butterfly attachment for the cables it takes 4
hours. So cut the old cables, pull out the arm with weights. Assemble
the new arm on the bench. Rig up a small turnbuckle from A/C Spruce and
throw the thing in. As for the phenolic parts, I use #8 screws as they
countersink easier. I use a dab of double back sticky tape to set the
rub strip where I want it then add just a dab of slow setting thick
superglue, check it again and hit it with the accellerator. I have an
angle drill that makes the premade holes I make easy to do by feel.
Insert the nuts and screws, and pull down. I have some one handed
gimicks I use like a cut off stubby screwdriver that wedges into the
post slot and holds the screw. Then I put on the nut and crank her
down.
Call me when you need one.
Bud Yerly
Custom Flight Creations (813) 653-4989
Europa Dealer
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Date: Thu, 9 Apr 2009 09:21:07 -0600
Subject: Europa-List: Mod 70
From: cjaussi@gmail.com
To: europa-list-digest@matronics.com
I'm just getting back to getting N6125 in the air again after a couple
of years away from flying. I am upgrading the engine to a Jason Parker
914 turbo, fuel injected and other mods that have come out since I put
things in mothballs. I ahve installed the springs that replace the
bungie and am pleased with how that went. The question I have is about
the necessity of the mass balance arm replacement as it seems to be a
challenging job. How important do others find it for a tri-gear flown
from paved runways. Have most builders in the US made this change?
What are the opinions? It's great to be back to the Europa.
Curtis Jaussi
Tri gear 914
40 hours flown in 2006
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Thanks guys, much appreciated.
Visit - www.EuropaOwners.org
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Subject: | Re: Bungee Install |
Thanks guys, I'll look into it.
Visit - www.EuropaOwners.org
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Raimo,
My understanding from discussions with Nev is that the spring reaction
of a metal spring is incorrect for this application.
Bob B
Sent from my iPhone
On Apr 14, 2009, at 11:19, Raimo Toivio <raimo.toivio@rwm.fi> wrote:
> Bud and all
>
> is there any mod that replaces bungee to spring(s) in mono?
> I read Curtis Jaussi=C2=B4s earlier message carelessly and thought
there
> is
> but understood later he has a trike and has replaced trike=C2=B4s
bungee
> to springs.
>
> Raimo OH-XRT
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: ALAN YERLY
> To: europa-list
> Sent: Friday, April 10, 2009 3:12 AM
> Subject: RE: Europa-List: Mod 70
>
> Curtis...
> If you built the mass balance arm properly and didn't bugger up the
> holes or have a tail wheel type, the original mass balance arm seems
> to be holding up. But over time, side play will wallow out the 3/16
> holes and that is what we were concerned about.
>
> I hope you have a good sized access hole. If you do, it takes 2-4
> hours depending on turnbuckles, cables, your tower width, etc.
> Pretty much a no brainer.
>
> The new part is properly made and will serve many years without
> fail. If you install the TP18 butterfly attachment for the cables
> it takes 4 hours. So cut the old cables, pull out the arm with
> weights. Assemble the new arm on the bench. Rig up a small
> turnbuckle from A/C Spruce and throw the thing in. As for the
> phenolic parts, I use #8 screws as they countersink easier. I use a
> dab of double back sticky tape to set the rub strip where I want it
> then add just a dab of slow setting thick superglue, check it again
> and hit it with the accellerator. I have an angle drill that makes
> the premade holes I make easy to do by feel. Insert the nuts and
> screws, and pull down. I have some one handed gimicks I use like a
> cut off stubby screwdriver that wedges into the post slot and holds
> the screw. Then I put on the nut and crank her down.
>
> Call me when you need one.
>
> Bud Yerly
>
> Custom Flight Creations (813) 653-4989
> Europa Dealer
>
>
> Date: Thu, 9 Apr 2009 09:21:07 -0600
> Subject: Europa-List: Mod 70
> From: cjaussi@gmail.com
> To: europa-list-digest@matronics.com
>
> I'm just getting back to getting N6125 in the air again after a
> couple of years away from flying. I am upgrading the engine to a
> Jason Parker 914 turbo, fuel injected and other mods that have come
> out since I put things in mothballs. I ahve installed the springs
> that replace the bungie and am pleased with how that went. The
> question I have is about the necessity of the mass balance arm
> replacement as it seems to be a challenging job. How important do
> others find it for a tri-gear flown from paved runways. Have most
> builders in the US made this change? What are the opinions? It's
> great to be back to the Europa.
>
> Curtis Jaussi
> Tri gear 914
> 40 hours flown in 2006
>
> >http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List
> ronics.com
> ww.matronics.com/contribution
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> ="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
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Robert Borger wrote:
> Raimo,
>
> My understanding from discussions with Nev is that the spring reaction
> of a metal spring is incorrect for this application.
>
> Bob B
The important point is that rubber has a damping effect but steel does
not. This is why rubber, (elastic) is better than steel (springs) for
undercarriages.
Think about it, a spring goes "boingyoingoing" but a rubber band goes
"thwack"
Graham
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My own experience confirms this. A spring suspension on the mono would caus
e some very interesting landings. It's bad enough on a trike. Very similar
to : removing the shock absorbers from the front suspension of your car=2C
and driving it at 80 90 km/h along a bumpy grass field.
Karl
> Date: Wed=2C 15 Apr 2009 00:51:44 +0100
> From: grahamsingleton@btinternet.com
> To: europa-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Europa-List: Mod 70
>
ternet.com>
>
> Robert Borger wrote:
> > Raimo=2C
> >
> > My understanding from discussions with Nev is that the spring reaction
> > of a metal spring is incorrect for this application.
> >
> > Bob B
> The important point is that rubber has a damping effect but steel does
> not. This is why rubber=2C (elastic) is better than steel (springs) for
> undercarriages.
> Think about it=2C a spring goes "boingyoingoing" but a rubber band goes
> "thwack"
> Graham
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