---------------------------------------------------------- Europa-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Tue 04/14/09: 14 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 01:52 AM - ELT and Mode S in NL (David Corbett) 2. 02:53 AM - Re: finger strainers (Rowland Carson) 3. 03:20 AM - Re: ELT and Mode S in NL (Jan de Jong) 4. 03:40 AM - Re: Door Hinges (Kevin Klinefelter) 5. 03:49 AM - Re: finger strainers (peter.rees01@tiscali.co.uk) 6. 04:53 AM - Re: Bungee Install (craig bastin) 7. 07:28 AM - Re: Door Hinges (ALAN YERLY) 8. 08:03 AM - Re: Bungee Install (rick) 9. 09:14 AM - Re: Mod 70 (Raimo Toivio) 10. 10:30 AM - Re: Door Hinges (danbish) 11. 12:11 PM - Re: Bungee Install (danbish) 12. 12:28 PM - Re: Mod 70 (Robert Borger) 13. 04:53 PM - Re: Mod 70 (Graham Singleton) 14. 06:44 PM - Re: Mod 70 (Karl Heindl) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 01:52:42 AM PST US From: "David Corbett" Subject: Europa-List: ELT and Mode S in NL Frans, Thank you for your comment yesterday. Barry Plumb, of the UK LAA, is chasing this with EU countries up on behalf of LAA members, but with less than 4 weeks to go until we set off, I am distinctly nervous about this situation! Best wishes, David ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 02:53:50 AM PST US From: Rowland Carson Subject: Re: Europa-List: finger strainers At 2009-04-13 21:59 +0100 Peter Rees wrote: >after soaking the unit in petrol for about 6 hours, the redux >doesn't appear to be 100 percent fuel resistant as it seems to have >softened (it was given about 72 hrs to cure) Peter - off the top of my head, I seem to recall about 5 days at 25C is the recommended period for full-strength cure of Redux. Maybe yours hadn't really cured before you put it in the fuel. I think the manual does say something explicit about doing the bonding-in well ahead of time so it's really well cured before being exposed to fuel. regards Rowland -- | Rowland Carson http://home.clara.net/rowil/ | ... that's Rowland with a 'w' ... ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 03:20:47 AM PST US From: Jan de Jong Subject: Re: Europa-List: ELT and Mode S in NL It is actually worse than Frans said. The publication is: http://www.ais-netherlands.nl/aim/misc/EH-eSUP-09-04-en-GB.pdf Something like this: 1. Mode S is mandatory if you want to fly above 1200', so we all got it installed 2. if you have a Mode S transponder installed you must have it on 3. can't have the transponder on under the Schiphol TMA (the part with 1500' bottom) because ATC gets confused 4. therefore you can't fly VFR there Two years ago we could all just put our transponder on standby when flying under Schiphol TMA (this is again the prescribed solution around EHHV and EHLE). Now we have mandatory mode S and in this new world the standby option was somehow disregarded. The ruling caused uproar and then meetings and discussion and a updated publication is expected by the end of this week. We will see. Regards, Jan de Jong ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 03:40:12 AM PST US From: "Kevin Klinefelter" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Door Hinges Hi Dan, I used some stainless steel hinge that worked out nicely. I have several feet of it left over because I had to order a minimum of 4 feet I think. Want me to send you some? Kevin ----- Original Message ----- From: "danbish" Sent: Monday, April 13, 2009 10:26 PM Subject: Europa-List: Door Hinges > > Since it looks like my kit is missing door hinges of any type, I'll have > to get some. I seem to remember talk of stronger hinges for the doors > being spec'd out at some point. Anyone have a vendor/part # handy? > > Thanks, > > Dan > > > Visit - www.EuropaOwners.org > > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 03:49:05 AM PST US From: "peter.rees01@tiscali.co.uk" Subject: Re: Europa-List: finger strainers Thanks everyone for replies - I'll dry them off and see if they will cure after exposure to fuel or if its time for another piece of gauze. Regards Peter ----Original Message---- From: rowil@clara.net Subj: Re: Europa-List: finger strainers At 2009-04-13 21:59 +0100 Peter Rees wrote: >after soaking the unit in petrol for about 6 hours, the redux >doesn't appear to be 100 percent fuel resistant as it seems to have >softened (it was given about 72 hrs to cure) Peter - off the top of my head, I seem to recall about 5 days at 25C is the recommended period for full-strength cure of Redux. Maybe yours hadn't really cured before you put it in the fuel. I think the manual does say something explicit about doing the bonding-in well ahead of time so it's really well cured before being exposed to fuel. regards Rowland -- | Rowland Carson http://home.clara.net/rowil/ | ... that's Rowland with a 'w' ... http://www.tiscali.co.uk/wine - Save 25 off a case of wine today ______________________________________________________ ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 04:53:59 AM PST US From: "craig bastin" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Bungee Install I believe some of the guys also ran the bungee as a series gaint rubber bands, which allowed each one to be adjusted, and tension was controled by adding or removing as required. Not sure how the ends were fixed though. craig -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of danbish Sent: Tuesday, 14 April 2009 3:34 PM Subject: Europa-List: Bungee Install Hi All, I remember seeing something on here about a slight mod to the installation of the bungee cord, something about cutting it into 2 pieces? Can't find anything on it now, just wondering if there's anyone with more info on this and what the benefit is of doing it. Thanks, Dan Visit - www.EuropaOwners.org Checked by AVG - www.avg.com 17:56:00 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 07:28:59 AM PST US From: ALAN YERLY Subject: RE: Europa-List: Door Hinges RE: Door hinges. If you believe stronger hinges are needed=2C keep in mind that you will rip out the fiberglass in the cabin top or door tang instead of the hinge fail ing and maybe causing some minor cracking which is easily repaired. During start and run up if you insist on leaving the door open=2C stronger hinges may be OK but you better lay some extra glass on the top. I've replaced three sprung or lost doors over the last five years. He who had the stronger hinges paid more to have the top of the aircraft repaired =2C vs replacing the door. The hing material is MS 20001-5. Available at Aircraft Spruce. Custom Flight Creations (813) 653-4989 > Subject: Europa-List: Door Hinges > From: bdanbish@gmail.com > Date: Tue=2C 14 Apr 2009 08:26:18 +0300 > To: europa-list@matronics.com > > > Since it looks like my kit is missing door hinges of any type=2C I'll hav e to get some. I seem to remember talk of stronger hinges for the doors bei ng spec'd out at some point. Anyone have a vendor/part # handy? > > Thanks=2C > > Dan > > > > > > > Visit - www.EuropaOwners.org > > > > > =========== =========== =========== =========== > > > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 08:03:24 AM PST US From: "rick" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Bungee Install Dead easy. We used little wire 'u' clamps available from any DIY place. After about 200 hours on a very bumpy strip I'm thinking of maybe adding another (10 minute job) but it's been no problem. There will be all the details in the archives. Cheers Rick Morris G-RIKS Tri 912S -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of craig bastin Sent: 14 April 2009 12:50 Subject: RE: Europa-List: Bungee Install --> I believe some of the guys also ran the bungee as a series gaint rubber bands, which allowed each one to be adjusted, and tension was controled by adding or removing as required. Not sure how the ends were fixed though. craig -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of danbish Sent: Tuesday, 14 April 2009 3:34 PM Subject: Europa-List: Bungee Install Hi All, I remember seeing something on here about a slight mod to the installation of the bungee cord, something about cutting it into 2 pieces? Can't find anything on it now, just wondering if there's anyone with more info on this and what the benefit is of doing it. Thanks, Dan Visit - www.EuropaOwners.org Checked by AVG - www.avg.com 17:56:00 ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 09:14:04 AM PST US From: "Raimo Toivio" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Mod 70 Bud and all is there any mod that replaces bungee to spring(s) in mono? I read Curtis Jaussi=B4s earlier message carelessly and thought there is but understood later he has a trike and has replaced trike=B4s bungee to springs. Raimo OH-XRT ----- Original Message ----- From: ALAN YERLY To: europa-list Sent: Friday, April 10, 2009 3:12 AM Subject: RE: Europa-List: Mod 70 Curtis... If you built the mass balance arm properly and didn't bugger up the holes or have a tail wheel type, the original mass balance arm seems to be holding up. But over time, side play will wallow out the 3/16 holes and that is what we were concerned about. I hope you have a good sized access hole. If you do, it takes 2-4 hours depending on turnbuckles, cables, your tower width, etc. Pretty much a no brainer. The new part is properly made and will serve many years without fail. If you install the TP18 butterfly attachment for the cables it takes 4 hours. So cut the old cables, pull out the arm with weights. Assemble the new arm on the bench. Rig up a small turnbuckle from A/C Spruce and throw the thing in. As for the phenolic parts, I use #8 screws as they countersink easier. I use a dab of double back sticky tape to set the rub strip where I want it then add just a dab of slow setting thick superglue, check it again and hit it with the accellerator. I have an angle drill that makes the premade holes I make easy to do by feel. Insert the nuts and screws, and pull down. I have some one handed gimicks I use like a cut off stubby screwdriver that wedges into the post slot and holds the screw. Then I put on the nut and crank her down. Call me when you need one. Bud Yerly Custom Flight Creations (813) 653-4989 Europa Dealer ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Date: Thu, 9 Apr 2009 09:21:07 -0600 Subject: Europa-List: Mod 70 From: cjaussi@gmail.com To: europa-list-digest@matronics.com I'm just getting back to getting N6125 in the air again after a couple of years away from flying. I am upgrading the engine to a Jason Parker 914 turbo, fuel injected and other mods that have come out since I put things in mothballs. I ahve installed the springs that replace the bungie and am pleased with how that went. The question I have is about the necessity of the mass balance arm replacement as it seems to be a challenging job. How important do others find it for a tri-gear flown from paved runways. Have most builders in the US made this change? What are the opinions? It's great to be back to the Europa. Curtis Jaussi Tri gear 914 40 hours flown in 2006 >http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List ronics.com ww.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 10:30:18 AM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: Door Hinges From: "danbish" Thanks guys, much appreciated. Visit - www.EuropaOwners.org ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 12:11:43 PM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: Bungee Install From: "danbish" Thanks guys, I'll look into it. Visit - www.EuropaOwners.org ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 12:28:09 PM PST US From: Robert Borger Subject: Re: Europa-List: Mod 70 Raimo, My understanding from discussions with Nev is that the spring reaction of a metal spring is incorrect for this application. Bob B Sent from my iPhone On Apr 14, 2009, at 11:19, Raimo Toivio wrote: > Bud and all > > is there any mod that replaces bungee to spring(s) in mono? > I read Curtis Jaussi=C2=B4s earlier message carelessly and thought there > is > but understood later he has a trike and has replaced trike=C2=B4s bungee > to springs. > > Raimo OH-XRT > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: ALAN YERLY > To: europa-list > Sent: Friday, April 10, 2009 3:12 AM > Subject: RE: Europa-List: Mod 70 > > Curtis... > If you built the mass balance arm properly and didn't bugger up the > holes or have a tail wheel type, the original mass balance arm seems > to be holding up. But over time, side play will wallow out the 3/16 > holes and that is what we were concerned about. > > I hope you have a good sized access hole. If you do, it takes 2-4 > hours depending on turnbuckles, cables, your tower width, etc. > Pretty much a no brainer. > > The new part is properly made and will serve many years without > fail. If you install the TP18 butterfly attachment for the cables > it takes 4 hours. So cut the old cables, pull out the arm with > weights. Assemble the new arm on the bench. Rig up a small > turnbuckle from A/C Spruce and throw the thing in. As for the > phenolic parts, I use #8 screws as they countersink easier. I use a > dab of double back sticky tape to set the rub strip where I want it > then add just a dab of slow setting thick superglue, check it again > and hit it with the accellerator. I have an angle drill that makes > the premade holes I make easy to do by feel. Insert the nuts and > screws, and pull down. I have some one handed gimicks I use like a > cut off stubby screwdriver that wedges into the post slot and holds > the screw. Then I put on the nut and crank her down. > > Call me when you need one. > > Bud Yerly > > Custom Flight Creations (813) 653-4989 > Europa Dealer > > > Date: Thu, 9 Apr 2009 09:21:07 -0600 > Subject: Europa-List: Mod 70 > From: cjaussi@gmail.com > To: europa-list-digest@matronics.com > > I'm just getting back to getting N6125 in the air again after a > couple of years away from flying. I am upgrading the engine to a > Jason Parker 914 turbo, fuel injected and other mods that have come > out since I put things in mothballs. I ahve installed the springs > that replace the bungie and am pleased with how that went. The > question I have is about the necessity of the mass balance arm > replacement as it seems to be a challenging job. How important do > others find it for a tri-gear flown from paved runways. Have most > builders in the US made this change? What are the opinions? It's > great to be back to the Europa. > > Curtis Jaussi > Tri gear 914 > 40 hours flown in 2006 > > >http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List > ronics.com > ww.matronics.com/contribution > > > href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List">http://www.matronh ref > ="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com > href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http:// > www.matronics.com/c > > ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 04:53:05 PM PST US From: Graham Singleton Subject: Re: Europa-List: Mod 70 Robert Borger wrote: > Raimo, > > My understanding from discussions with Nev is that the spring reaction > of a metal spring is incorrect for this application. > > Bob B The important point is that rubber has a damping effect but steel does not. This is why rubber, (elastic) is better than steel (springs) for undercarriages. Think about it, a spring goes "boingyoingoing" but a rubber band goes "thwack" Graham ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 06:44:39 PM PST US From: Karl Heindl Subject: RE: Europa-List: Mod 70 My own experience confirms this. A spring suspension on the mono would caus e some very interesting landings. It's bad enough on a trike. Very similar to : removing the shock absorbers from the front suspension of your car=2C and driving it at 80 90 km/h along a bumpy grass field. Karl > Date: Wed=2C 15 Apr 2009 00:51:44 +0100 > From: grahamsingleton@btinternet.com > To: europa-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Europa-List: Mod 70 > ternet.com> > > Robert Borger wrote: > > Raimo=2C > > > > My understanding from discussions with Nev is that the spring reaction > > of a metal spring is incorrect for this application. > > > > Bob B > The important point is that rubber has a damping effect but steel does > not. This is why rubber=2C (elastic) is better than steel (springs) for > undercarriages. > Think about it=2C a spring goes "boingyoingoing" but a rubber band goes > "thwack" > Graham > =========== =========== =========== =========== > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message europa-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Europa-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/europa-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/europa-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.