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1. 10:14 AM - =?iso-8859-1?Q?Europa_Original_Seat_Belts=B4_Inherent_Risk? (Raimo Toivio)
2. 02:53 PM - =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:__Europa_Original_Seat_Belts=B4_Inherent_Ri?= =?iso-8859-1?Q?sk? (craig bastin)
3. 04:13 PM - =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Re:__Europa_Original_Seat_Belts=B4_In?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?herent_Risk? (Fred Klein)
4. 06:21 PM - Anyone know details of trailering accident? (Erich Trombley)
5. 09:35 PM - Fuel injection for Jabiru engine (Fred Klein)
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| Subject: | =?iso-8859-1?Q?Europa_Original_Seat_Belts=B4_Inherent_Risk? |
All who use or are going to use Europa original seat belts
There is also one another (one is the potential hip hit in accident)
safety problem with Europa-type belts and installation:
They form a fixed loop around your shoulders.
In the case of accident if you are upsidedown it is hard or even
impossible to escape.
That may be very difficult even in a car with just an ordinary three
point seat belts.
Think:
- after ditching or any bad landing you may be upside down. What kind of
last moments you have before drowning or burning or starving if you
cannot escape because of unlockable safety belts?
After certain this category fatal accidents those type "loop" belts have
been illegal and strictly forbidden in Finland since 2001. That order is
also valid for experimentals and ultralights.
I do not know the actual situation in other countries.
That is why I have German made Schroth TSo belts with central lock and
four fully separate laps.
I wish you all have anyway minimum a lap knife in a practical place near
by.
I hope nobody will suck a pea into her/his nose because of my message!
Wishes, Raimo OH-XRT
PS: I have one free free set of Europa belts for anyone but they are
definetely not for aviation use!
----- Original Message -----
From: Fred Klein
To: europa-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 4:26 AM
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Seat Belt Restraint Points
On Jan 18, 2009, at 3:02 PM, JR Gowing wrote:
Interesting information is coming.
Bob,
Info to be revealed in due time?
f you still have the folding seat details handy in your computer, I
would be pleased if could email them to me so I can study it again.
'fraid I don't use my computer for graphics...I'm one of those
Neanderthals still drawing lines...here are a couple pixs:
Fred
A194
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| Subject: | o-8859-1?Q?RE:_Europa-List:_Europa_Original_Seat_Belts=B4_Inherent_Ri?= |
=?iso-8859-1?Q?sk?
Ramio, for what its worth, having rolled my own race car once I understand
what you are saying, even the "race" harnesses
can get a bit tight to undo when you are upside down, but in australia you
can get a "life hammer" as they call it
its designed to easily cut belts in one go without cutting the wearer of the
belt, and to break toughened glass. Obviously
the breaking glass bit wont work on plexi but if its mounted on the roof or
panel should still be easliy reached when you
are upside down. But lets all hope that we never "land" in that position.
craig
Do not archive
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Raimo Toivio
Sent: Wednesday, 6 May 2009 3:19 AM
To: europa-list@matronics.com
Subject: Europa-List: Europa Original Seat Belts Inherent Risk
All who use or are going to use Europa original seat belts
There is also one another (one is the potential hip hit in accident)
safety problem with Europa-type belts and installation:
They form a fixed loop around your shoulders.
In the case of accident if you are upsidedown it is hard or even
impossible to escape.
That may be very difficult even in a car with just an ordinary three point
seat belts.
Think:
- after ditching or any bad landing you may be upside down. What kind of
last moments you have before drowning or burning or starving if you cannot
escape because of unlockable safety belts?
After certain this category fatal accidents those type "loop" belts have
been illegal and strictly forbidden in Finland since 2001. That order is
also valid for experimentals and ultralights.
I do not know the actual situation in other countries.
That is why I have German made Schroth TSo belts with central lock and
four fully separate laps.
I wish you all have anyway minimum a lap knife in a practical place near
by.
I hope nobody will suck a pea into her/his nose because of my message!
Wishes, Raimo OH-XRT
PS: I have one free free set of Europa belts for anyone but they are
definetely not for aviation use!
----- Original Message -----
From: Fred Klein
To: europa-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 4:26 AM
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Seat Belt Restraint Points
On Jan 18, 2009, at 3:02 PM, JR Gowing wrote:
Interesting information is coming.
Bob,
Info to be revealed in due time?
f you still have the folding seat details handy in your computer, I
would be pleased if could email them to me so I can study it again.
'fraid I don't use my computer for graphics...I'm one of those
Neanderthals still drawing lines...here are a couple pixs:
Fred
A194
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| Subject: | Re: O-8859-1?Q?Re:_Europa-List:_Europa_Original_Seat_Belts=B4_In?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?herent_Risk? |
Raimo...Before I discard my beloved Europa seat belts, I will make
test when fuselage is rigged on my rotisserie...I will attempt break
out from harness when inverted and report back...first I will place 3
pillows on floor below my head.
Of course in the event of crash and inversion, since I have raised the
level of the pivot point of the shoulder harness on the raised portion
of the seat back with my little gizmo, I anticipate being fully mobile
and not to have suffered any spinal trauma which would otherwise
hinder my ability to release myself from the harness and exit the
aircraft...a detail not to be overlooked when considering optimum
conditions for survivability.
Fred
A194
On May 5, 2009, at 10:18 AM, Raimo Toivio wrote:
> All who use or are going to use Europa original seat belts
>
> There is also one another (one is the potential hip hit in accident)
> safety problem with Europa-type belts and installation:
>
> They form a fixed loop around your shoulders.
>
> In the case of accident if you are upsidedown it is hard or even
> impossible to escape.
> That may be very difficult even in a car with just an ordinary three
> point seat belts.
>
> Think:
>
> - after ditching or any bad landing you may be upside down. What
> kind of last moments you have before drowning or burning or starving
> if you cannot escape because of unlockable safety belts?
>
> After certain this category fatal accidents those type "loop" belts
> have been illegal and strictly forbidden in Finland since 2001. That
> order is also valid for experimentals and ultralights.
> I do not know the actual situation in other countries.
>
> That is why I have German made Schroth TSo belts with central lock
> and four fully separate laps.
>
> I wish you all have anyway minimum a lap knife in a practical place
> near by.
>
> I hope nobody will suck a pea into her/his nose because of my message!
>
> Wishes, Raimo OH-XRT
>
> PS: I have one free free set of Europa belts for anyone but they are
> definetely not for aviation use!
>
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| Subject: | Anyone know details of trailering accident? |
If I am not mistaken, this was/is Lincoln Ragle's Europa. I believe he was trailering
only the fuselage when he ran a red light and was hit from the side (T-boned).
The fuselage was ejected from trailer and rolled on the roadway. He
had the plane repaired and flew it shortly thereafter. If fact, he and Kim Prout
flew their planes out to Las Vegas, NV, back in early 2003 for my first flight
of N28ET.
Erich Trombley
N28ET Classic Mono 914
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| Subject: | Fuel injection for Jabiru engine |
Of possible interest to Jabiropa builders is this excerpt from Rotec
website:
> The Rotec TBI-40 is perfectly suitable for all Rotec radial engines
> and will attach to the typical Bing rubber coupling. This coupling
> makes the TBI-40 ideal for retrofitting many other engines including
> the Jabiru engine range for which it will retrofit directly.
Fred
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