---------------------------------------------------------- Europa-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sat 05/09/09: 6 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 12:52 AM - Re: Dynon 180 (Rowland Carson) 2. 01:21 AM - Re: Dynon 180 (Simon Smith) 3. 03:22 AM - Re: Dynon 180 (JR Gowing) 4. 09:41 PM - Re: Dynon 180 (Tony Krzyzewski) 5. 09:41 PM - Re: Dynon 180 (Tony Krzyzewski) 6. 09:41 PM - Re: Dynon 180 (Tony Krzyzewski) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 12:52:13 AM PST US From: Rowland Carson Subject: Re: Europa-List: Dynon 180 At 2009-05-09 07:07 +0100 Richard Scanlan wrote: >The Dynon requires a 0-5 volt varying input Richard - OK, that's clear enough, and you can generate that 0-5 volts in a number of ways, typically by using a potentiometer (variable resistor network). >the probes are capacitance >type from Pete at Airworld ie resistive type But that's not very clear. Either they are capacitive or resistive. Maybe their sensing mechaism is capacitive and the interface to the display is resistive? You don't seem to say what this sensor is intended to measure. >Dynon have advised their >resistance to voltage converter is not suitable If the output of the sensors is capacitive then that would be a sensible answer. Even if the sensor output is resistive, it might also be correct if the range of resistance falls outside what the Dynon converter is designed to handle. Do you have the spec of the Dynon converter? >I know some of you are worldly wise in the electrics side I have done a bit of electronics, but I'd need a bit more information before being able to offer advice. The sensor in question, how is it specified? Assuming it's a 2-terminal device, I'm looking for the range of capacitance (or resistance as the case may be) that it presents to the outside world for the full range of input conditions. It does seem much more likely that the output is resistive - a variable capacitance would require rather more interface work - so the spec would be something like: X ohms at minimum (pressure, temperature, level, whatever) to Y ohms at maximum (pressure, temperature, level etc). If it's a simple 2-terminal variable resistor, we can design a potentiometer circuit to provide the Dynon with the 0 - 5 volts that it wants to see, provided also that the Dynon input impedance is known (or alternatively is so high that is can be neglected). The approach above is from first principles, without knowing very much about the devices involved. Maybe someone with direct experience of the sensor and the display can offer more succint advice. I've removed the rest of the text from this hijacked thread as it's not relevant! regards Rowland -- | Rowland Carson LAA #16532 http://home.clara.net/rowil/aviation/ | 1270 hours building Europa #435 G-ROWI e-mail ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 01:21:29 AM PST US From: Simon Smith Subject: Re: Europa-List: Dynon 180 I take it that you are talking about fuel level sensors. The Dynon website says: Dynon Avionics does not supply fuel quantity senders. However, our EMSes and FlightDEK- D180 are compatible with any resistive "float" style fuel level sender, or capacitance probes that output a variable voltage between 0-5V DC. and Capacitance to Voltage Converter These converters allow Vans RV builders with capacitive plates in their fuel tanks to measure fuel quantity with Dynons EMS products. One is required per tank; a maximum of two are supported. Each is equipped with a BNC connector, making connection to the Vans plates a snap. Remember that Capacitance fuel sensors need calibrating for the fuel type in use. A probe calibrated for Avgas will miss read with Mogas and vice-versa. Europa do a resistive probe that does work with the D180 (I have one). cheers Simon On 9 May 2009, at 07:07, Richard Scanlan wrote: > > > > > Apologies for tagging onto this thread, but has anybody out there > had any > experience with connecting capacitance probes to a dynon 180? > The Dynon requires a 0-5 volt varying input and the probes are > capacitance > type from Pete at Airworld ie resistive type. Dynon have advised their > resistance to voltage converter is not suitable and Pete says dynon > should > know?! > > I know some of you are worldly wise in the electrics side and might > have > encountered this one and I don't want additional analogue gauges. > Any advice would be appreciated > > > Richard S > > #103 mono nearly ready to fly > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Greg > Fuchs > Sent: 09 May 2009 05:52 > To: europa-list@matronics.com > Subject: RE: Europa-List: apologies for card processing problems > > > > > It worked this time, thankyou. > > ~Greg Fuchs > > Do Not archive > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rowland > Carson > Sent: Sunday, May 03, 2009 1:54 PM > To: europa-list@matronics.com > Subject: Europa-List: apologies for card processing problems > > > My apologies to all those who've been > encountering problems with processing of card > payments on the Europa Club website since about > 26th April, when the new faster servers went > online. > > I think all those affected are: > > Bob Gowing > Bob Borger > Jan Elmn > Kent Svensson > Herbert Habersatter > Greg Fuchs > Kingsley Hurst > Arnold Hansen > Chris Staines > Peter Hodgson > yvind Aasgaard > > I neglected to update some vital server addresses > at changeover time and that caused card > transactions to fail. > > I have now corrected the necessary files and > checked that the transaction mechanism is > working, so it should be OK to try again. > > I'm sorry I didn't spot this issue sooner and > take prior action to prevent all the trouble > people have experienced. > > You may have noticed that the payment processing > firm is in process of changing its name from > Protx to Sage Pay - the appropriate parts of the > Europa Club website will be updated to match in > due course. > > regards > > Rowland > -- > > > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > 06:34:00 > > > -- > We are a community of 6 million users fighting spam. > > The Professional version does not have this message > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 03:22:42 AM PST US From: "JR Gowing" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Dynon 180 Richard Tony Krzyzewski has updated his fuel gauge and has provided me with a list of electronic parts to connect it to Dynon. However I don't think the actual circuit has been provided so far in his diagrams; but obviously he knows how to do it and it may only be necessary to ask him - as I will also h ave to do. JR (Bob) Gowing UK Kit 327 in Oz ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Scanlan" Sent: Saturday, May 09, 2009 4:07 PM Subject: Europa-List: Dynon 180 > > > > Apologies for tagging onto this thread, but has anybody out there had any > experience with connecting capacitance probes to a dynon 180? > The Dynon requires a 0-5 volt varying input and the probes are capacitance > type from Pete at Airworld ie resistive type. Dynon have advised their > resistance to voltage converter is not suitable and Pete says dynon should > know?! > > I know some of you are worldly wise in the electrics side and might have > encountered this one and I don't want additional analogue gauges. > Any advice would be appreciated > > > Richard S > > #103 mono nearly ready to fly > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Greg Fuchs > Sent: 09 May 2009 05:52 > To: europa-list@matronics.com > Subject: RE: Europa-List: apologies for card processing problems > > > > > It worked this time, thankyou. > > ~Greg Fuchs > > Do Not archive > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rowland > Carson > Sent: Sunday, May 03, 2009 1:54 PM > To: europa-list@matronics.com > Subject: Europa-List: apologies for card processing problems > > > My apologies to all those who've been > encountering problems with processing of card > payments on the Europa Club website since about > 26th April, when the new faster servers went > online. > > I think all those affected are: > > Bob Gowing > Bob Borger > Jan Elmn > Kent Svensson > Herbert Habersatter > Greg Fuchs > Kingsley Hurst > Arnold Hansen > Chris Staines > Peter Hodgson > yvind Aasgaard > > I neglected to update some vital server addresses > at changeover time and that caused card > transactions to fail. > > I have now corrected the necessary files and > checked that the transaction mechanism is > working, so it should be OK to try again. > > I'm sorry I didn't spot this issue sooner and > take prior action to prevent all the trouble > people have experienced. > > You may have noticed that the payment processing > firm is in process of changing its name from > Protx to Sage Pay - the appropriate parts of the > Europa Club website will be updated to match in > due course. > > regards > > Rowland > -- > > > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > 06:34:00 > > > -- > We are a community of 6 million users fighting spam. > > The Professional version does not have this message > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Checked by AVG - www.avg.com 11:43:00 -- We are a community of 6 million users fighting spam. The Professional version does not have this message ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 09:41:30 PM PST US From: Tony Krzyzewski Subject: RE: Europa-List: Dynon 180 My version 5 sender and and associatedated display chip are capable of outputting a 0-5v level that emulates a capacitance gauge. Those with the v5 circuit diagram will find the dynon interface circuit on the display chip page. As the extra circuitry consists of one resistor and one capacitor it is a really easy add on. Regards Tony --------------------------------------- Sent from Tony's mobile phone --------------------------------------- -----Original Message----- From: JR Gowing Sent: Saturday, 9 May 2009 10:20 p.m. Subject: Re: Europa-List: Dynon 180 Richard Tony Krzyzewski has updated his fuel gauge and has provided me with a list of electronic parts to connect it to Dynon. However I don't think the actual circuit has been provided so far in his diagrams; but obviously he knows how to do it and it may only be necessary to ask him - as I will also h ave to do. JR (Bob) Gowing UK Kit 327 in Oz ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Scanlan" Sent: Saturday, May 09, 2009 4:07 PM Subject: Europa-List: Dynon 180 > > > > Apologies for tagging onto this thread, but has anybody out there had any > experience with connecting capacitance probes to a dynon 180? > The Dynon requires a 0-5 volt varying input and the probes are capacitance > type from Pete at Airworld ie resistive type. Dynon have advised their > resistance to voltage converter is not suitable and Pete says dynon should > know?! > > I know some of you are worldly wise in the electrics side and might have > encountered this one and I don't want additional analogue gauges. > Any advice would be appreciated > > > Richard S > > #103 mono nearly ready to fly > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Greg Fuchs > Sent: 09 May 2009 05:52 > To: europa-list@matronics.com > Subject: RE: Europa-List: apologies for card processing problems > > > > > It worked this time, thankyou. > > ~Greg Fuchs > > Do Not archive > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rowland > Carson > Sent: Sunday, May 03, 2009 1:54 PM > To: europa-list@matronics.com > Subject: Europa-List: apologies for card processing problems > > > My apologies to all those who've been > encountering problems with processing of card > payments on the Europa Club website since about > 26th April, when the new faster servers went > online. > > I think all those affected are: > > Bob Gowing > Bob Borger > Jan Elmn > Kent Svensson > Herbert Habersatter > Greg Fuchs > Kingsley Hurst > Arnold Hansen > Chris Staines > Peter Hodgson > yvind Aasgaard > > I neglected to update some vital server addresses > at changeover time and that caused card > transactions to fail. > > I have now corrected the necessary files and > checked that the transaction mechanism is > working, so it should be OK to try again. > > I'm sorry I didn't spot this issue sooner and > take prior action to prevent all the trouble > people have experienced. > > You may have noticed that the payment processing > firm is in process of changing its name from > Protx to Sage Pay - the appropriate parts of the > Europa Club website will be updated to match in > due course. > > regards > > Rowland > -- > > > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > 06:34:00 > > > -- > We are a community of 6 million users fighting spam. > > The Professional version does not have this message > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Checked by AVG - www.avg.com 11:43:00 -- We are a community of 6 million users fighting spam. The Professional version does not have this message ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 09:41:30 PM PST US From: Tony Krzyzewski Subject: RE: Europa-List: Dynon 180 My version 5 sender and and associatedated display chip are capable of outputting a 0-5v level that emulates a capacitance gauge. Those with the v5 circuit diagram will find the dynon interface circuit on the display chip page. As the extra circuitry consists of one resistor and one capacitor it is a really easy add on. Regards Tony --------------------------------------- Sent from Tony's mobile phone --------------------------------------- -----Original Message----- From: JR Gowing Sent: Saturday, 9 May 2009 10:20 p.m. Subject: Re: Europa-List: Dynon 180 Richard Tony Krzyzewski has updated his fuel gauge and has provided me with a list of electronic parts to connect it to Dynon. However I don't think the actual circuit has been provided so far in his diagrams; but obviously he knows how to do it and it may only be necessary to ask him - as I will also h ave to do. JR (Bob) Gowing UK Kit 327 in Oz ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Scanlan" Sent: Saturday, May 09, 2009 4:07 PM Subject: Europa-List: Dynon 180 > > > > Apologies for tagging onto this thread, but has anybody out there had any > experience with connecting capacitance probes to a dynon 180? > The Dynon requires a 0-5 volt varying input and the probes are capacitance > type from Pete at Airworld ie resistive type. Dynon have advised their > resistance to voltage converter is not suitable and Pete says dynon should > know?! > > I know some of you are worldly wise in the electrics side and might have > encountered this one and I don't want additional analogue gauges. > Any advice would be appreciated > > > Richard S > > #103 mono nearly ready to fly > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Greg Fuchs > Sent: 09 May 2009 05:52 > To: europa-list@matronics.com > Subject: RE: Europa-List: apologies for card processing problems > > > > > It worked this time, thankyou. > > ~Greg Fuchs > > Do Not archive > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rowland > Carson > Sent: Sunday, May 03, 2009 1:54 PM > To: europa-list@matronics.com > Subject: Europa-List: apologies for card processing problems > > > My apologies to all those who've been > encountering problems with processing of card > payments on the Europa Club website since about > 26th April, when the new faster servers went > online. > > I think all those affected are: > > Bob Gowing > Bob Borger > Jan Elmn > Kent Svensson > Herbert Habersatter > Greg Fuchs > Kingsley Hurst > Arnold Hansen > Chris Staines > Peter Hodgson > yvind Aasgaard > > I neglected to update some vital server addresses > at changeover time and that caused card > transactions to fail. > > I have now corrected the necessary files and > checked that the transaction mechanism is > working, so it should be OK to try again. > > I'm sorry I didn't spot this issue sooner and > take prior action to prevent all the trouble > people have experienced. > > You may have noticed that the payment processing > firm is in process of changing its name from > Protx to Sage Pay - the appropriate parts of the > Europa Club website will be updated to match in > due course. > > regards > > Rowland > -- > > > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > 06:34:00 > > > -- > We are a community of 6 million users fighting spam. > > The Professional version does not have this message > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Checked by AVG - www.avg.com 11:43:00 -- We are a community of 6 million users fighting spam. The Professional version does not have this message ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 09:41:30 PM PST US From: Tony Krzyzewski Subject: RE: Europa-List: Dynon 180 The westach capacitance gauges with integral electronics output 0-5v which is compatible with the dynon input. Tony --------------------------------------- Sent from Tony's mobile phone --------------------------------------- -----Original Message----- From: Richard Scanlan Sent: Saturday, 9 May 2009 06:07 p.m. Subject: Europa-List: Dynon 180 Apologies for tagging onto this thread, but has anybody out there had any experience with connecting capacitance probes to a dynon 180? The Dynon requires a 0-5 volt varying input and the probes are capacitance type from Pete at Airworld ie resistive type. Dynon have advised their resistance to voltage converter is not suitable and Pete says dynon should know?! I know some of you are worldly wise in the electrics side and might have encountered this one and I don't want additional analogue gauges. Any advice would be appreciated Richard S #103 mono nearly ready to fly -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Greg Fuchs Sent: 09 May 2009 05:52 Subject: RE: Europa-List: apologies for card processing problems It worked this time, thankyou. ~Greg Fuchs Do Not archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rowland Carson Sent: Sunday, May 03, 2009 1:54 PM Subject: Europa-List: apologies for card processing problems My apologies to all those who've been encountering problems with processing of card payments on the Europa Club website since about 26th April, when the new faster servers went online. I think all those affected are: Bob Gowing Bob Borger Jan Elmn Kent Svensson Herbert Habersatter Greg Fuchs Kingsley Hurst Arnold Hansen Chris Staines Peter Hodgson yvind Aasgaard I neglected to update some vital server addresses at changeover time and that caused card transactions to fail. I have now corrected the necessary files and checked that the transaction mechanism is working, so it should be OK to try again. I'm sorry I didn't spot this issue sooner and take prior action to prevent all the trouble people have experienced. You may have noticed that the payment processing firm is in process of changing its name from Protx to Sage Pay - the appropriate parts of the Europa Club website will be updated to match in due course. regards Rowland -- | Rowland Carson http://home.clara.net/rowil/ | ... that's Rowland with a 'w' ... Checked by AVG - www.avg.com 06:34:00 -- We are a community of 6 million users fighting spam. 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