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1. 04:54 AM - Re: Tri-gear wheel fairing (Frans Veldman)
2. 05:54 AM - Europa Classic Exhaust system (Bill Henderson)
3. 07:15 AM - Re: Europa Classic Exhaust system (rampil)
4. 08:25 AM - Parts for sale (Neil France)
5. 10:40 AM - Rotax 914 "what if" (rparigoris)
6. 11:22 AM - Re: Europa Classic Exhaust system (Richard Scanlan)
7. 11:40 AM - Re: Europa Classic Exhaust system (Christoph Both)
8. 12:10 PM - Re: Europa Classic Exhaust system (Garry)
9. 12:25 PM - Re: Europa Classic Exhaust system (Bill Henderson)
10. 01:55 PM - Re: Stall Warners (zwakie)
11. 02:23 PM - Re: Re: Stall Warners (Frans Veldman)
12. 02:23 PM - Re: Re: Stall Warners ()
13. 02:40 PM - Re: Stall Warners (zwakie)
14. 02:40 PM - Re: Stall Warners (zwakie)
15. 02:55 PM - Re: Rotax 914 "what if" (David Joyce)
16. 03:12 PM - Re: Rotax 914 "what if" (Paul McAllister)
17. 03:33 PM - Re: Rotax 914 "what if" (Frans Veldman)
18. 04:47 PM - Re: Re: Stall Warners (Karl Heindl)
19. 04:50 PM - Re: Rotax 914 "what if" (rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us)
20. 11:23 PM - Re: Re: Stall Warners ()
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| Subject: | Re: Tri-gear wheel fairing |
I wrote:
> While working today on the nose wheel fairing, I noticed that the top of
> the front halve is highly asymmetrical.
> Now, having gone through all sorts of puzzles with it, it looks like it
> is not my fault.
Good news!
Just had a phone conversation with Roger Bull, and he told me that they
never knew about this problem, but that they are going to change the
mold now they know about it. So in the future, this problem should not
occur anymore.
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Frans Veldman
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| Subject: | Europa Classic Exhaust system |
I am looking for an exhaust system for a Classic Europa, new, used, or junk.
I contacted Europa to get ordering information and John replied saying they
have found it almost impossible for them to get one manufactured.
Anyone have any suggestions? Converting to an XS firewall forward at this
time would be costly.
Thanks,
Bill Henderson
A010 Monowheel Classic
(still building)
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| Subject: | Re: Europa Classic Exhaust system |
I would suggest going directly to their exhaust OEM manufacturer.
I have found them to be extremely helpful and responsive. They
do custom work all the time.
Find them at: http://www.cktengineering.com/aerospace_exhausts.php
Ira
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Read this topic online here:
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I have for sale, quite a few parts for Europa engine installation ,
including classic radiators and oil cooler, Cold air plenum chamber and
filter, hot water carb heat kit components.
Anyone interested, please email me off list.
Thanks,
Neil
do not archive
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| Subject: | Rotax 914 "what if" |
"What if" for some reason you can't land and need to fight gravity for a long time
with a charging system that has quit.
You are runing on battery alone to run a fuel pump.
To extend flight can you turn on pump to fill float bowls
then turn off pump till engine sags, and turn on etc. etc. etc instead of letting
pump just run?
2nd half of question is if the answer to above is yes, what might be the optimal
MP to use?
Thanking in advance.
Ron Parigoris
Visit - www.EuropaOwners.org
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| Subject: | Europa Classic Exhaust system |
Hi Bill,
You can contact CKT (Chris Piper) although they are NOT the manufacturers
of the classic exhausts. CKT designed and developed the XS system. I know
Chris well and that they have shyed away from copying the classic system due
to it's inherent design flaws. Send them a mail or alternatively contact me
off forum.
Richard Scanlan
#103
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From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Henderson
Sent: 03 June 2009 13:52
Subject: Europa-List: Europa Classic Exhaust system
<europabill@bellsouth.net>
I am looking for an exhaust system for a Classic Europa, new, used, or junk.
I contacted Europa to get ordering information and John replied saying they
have found it almost impossible for them to get one manufactured.
Anyone have any suggestions? Converting to an XS firewall forward at this
time would be costly.
Thanks,
Bill Henderson
A010 Monowheel Classic
(still building)
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| Subject: | Europa Classic Exhaust system |
What were the inherent design flaws of the Classic Exhaust?
Christoph Both
#223
Wolfville Nova Scotia Canada
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard
Scanlan
Sent: Wednesday, June 03, 2009 3:19 PM
Subject: RE: Europa-List: Europa Classic Exhaust system
<avgashead@btinternet.com>
Hi Bill,
You can contact CKT (Chris Piper) although they are NOT the
manufacturers
of the classic exhausts. CKT designed and developed the XS system. I
know
Chris well and that they have shyed away from copying the classic system
due
to it's inherent design flaws. Send them a mail or alternatively contact
me
off forum.
Richard Scanlan
#103
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill
Henderson
Sent: 03 June 2009 13:52
Subject: Europa-List: Europa Classic Exhaust system
<europabill@bellsouth.net>
I am looking for an exhaust system for a Classic Europa, new, used, or
junk.
I contacted Europa to get ordering information and John replied saying
they
have found it almost impossible for them to get one manufactured.
Anyone have any suggestions? Converting to an XS firewall forward at
this
time would be costly.
Thanks,
Bill Henderson
A010 Monowheel Classic
(still building)
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| Subject: | Re: Europa Classic Exhaust system |
..........inherent design flaws in the Classic exhaust system? First I've
heard of that! What kind of flaws? Is this a safety issue? I wasn't aware
there was any difference between the Classic and XS exhaust systems.
Garry Stout
----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard Scanlan" <avgashead@btinternet.com>
Sent: Wednesday, June 03, 2009 2:19 PM
Subject: RE: Europa-List: Europa Classic Exhaust system
> <avgashead@btinternet.com>
>
> Hi Bill,
> You can contact CKT (Chris Piper) although they are NOT the manufacturers
> of the classic exhausts. CKT designed and developed the XS system. I know
> Chris well and that they have shyed away from copying the classic system
> due
> to it's inherent design flaws. Send them a mail or alternatively contact
> me
> off forum.
>
> Richard Scanlan
> #103
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill
> Henderson
> Sent: 03 June 2009 13:52
> To: europa-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Europa-List: Europa Classic Exhaust system
>
> <europabill@bellsouth.net>
>
> I am looking for an exhaust system for a Classic Europa, new, used, or
> junk.
>
> I contacted Europa to get ordering information and John replied saying
> they
> have found it almost impossible for them to get one manufactured.
>
> Anyone have any suggestions? Converting to an XS firewall forward at this
> time would be costly.
>
> Thanks,
> Bill Henderson
> A010 Monowheel Classic
> (still building)
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Europa Classic Exhaust system |
Gary,
Yes, there's a big difference in the exhaust systems. The engine in the
classic is around 3" or so closer to the foot well than the XS so the
exhaust pipe has to go up and around before it goes down to the muffler. In
the XS there is clearance between the engine and footwell for the pipe to go
straight down to the muffler. The Classic muffler is also oval shaped and
only 3 1/2" tall. The XS is around 6". The exhaust pipes for the Classic
enter the muffler on the sides. On the XS the pipes enter on top of the
muffler at the front and rear.
I had a new XS exhaust that I planned to use, but just sold on Ebay as there
was no room between the engine and cowling for it to fit. Now I'm back to
square one.....
Bill
----- Original Message -----
From: "Garry" <garrys@tampabay.rr.com>
Sent: Wednesday, June 03, 2009 3:00 PM
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Europa Classic Exhaust system
>
> ..........inherent design flaws in the Classic exhaust system? First I've
> heard of that! What kind of flaws? Is this a safety issue? I wasn't
> aware there was any difference between the Classic and XS exhaust systems.
>
> Garry Stout
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Richard Scanlan" <avgashead@btinternet.com>
> To: <europa-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, June 03, 2009 2:19 PM
> Subject: RE: Europa-List: Europa Classic Exhaust system
>
>
>> <avgashead@btinternet.com>
>>
>> Hi Bill,
>> You can contact CKT (Chris Piper) although they are NOT the manufacturers
>> of the classic exhausts. CKT designed and developed the XS system. I know
>> Chris well and that they have shyed away from copying the classic system
>> due
>> to it's inherent design flaws. Send them a mail or alternatively contact
>> me
>> off forum.
>>
>> Richard Scanlan
>> #103
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill
>> Henderson
>> Sent: 03 June 2009 13:52
>> To: europa-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: Europa-List: Europa Classic Exhaust system
>>
>> <europabill@bellsouth.net>
>>
>> I am looking for an exhaust system for a Classic Europa, new, used, or
>> junk.
>>
>> I contacted Europa to get ordering information and John replied saying
>> they
>> have found it almost impossible for them to get one manufactured.
>>
>> Anyone have any suggestions? Converting to an XS firewall forward at
>> this
>> time would be costly.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Bill Henderson
>> A010 Monowheel Classic
>> (still building)
>>
>>
>>
>>
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| Subject: | Re: Stall Warners |
(just kicking up this thread, hoping to find an answer)
Part of Mod 61 (stall warner) is a pressure switch.
Mine has recently started to continiously 'blow the horn', so I believe this could
mean one of two things:
1. I have some moist in the tube
2. The switch is starting to decease (corrosion, internal movements getting sticky,
who knows...)
I will blow the tubes tomorrow to make sure there is no moist, but I would also
like to replace just the switch. Can anybody please tell me where this switch
can be bought as a single item? (I haven't tried Europa yet, but I also would
like to know other suppliers for this item).
Thanks.
Marcel
Visit - www.EuropaOwners.org
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| Subject: | Re: Stall Warners |
> Part of Mod 61 (stall warner) is a pressure switch.
>
> Mine has recently started to continiously 'blow the horn', so I
> believe this could mean one of two things: 1. I have some moist in
> the tube 2. The switch is starting to decease (corrosion, internal
> movements getting sticky, who knows...)
>
> I will blow the tubes tomorrow to make sure there is no moist, but I
> would also like to replace just the switch. Can anybody please tell
> me where this switch can be bought as a single item? (I haven't tried
> Europa yet, but I also would like to know other suppliers for this
> item).
Something like this could be of help:
http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/inpages/mpl.php
Too bad, I just placed an order at ACS, if I would have known earlier I
could have added it to the order.
BTW, Did you receive my email?
--
Frans Veldman
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| Subject: | Re: Stall Warners |
They can be had at RS components,
http://uk.rs-online.com/web/search/searchBrowseAction.html?method=getProduct&R=0317443
ivor
---- zwakie <mz@cariama.nl> wrote:
>
> (just kicking up this thread, hoping to find an answer)
>
> Part of Mod 61 (stall warner) is a pressure switch.
>
> Mine has recently started to continiously 'blow the horn', so I believe this
could mean one of two things:
> 1. I have some moist in the tube
> 2. The switch is starting to decease (corrosion, internal movements getting sticky,
who knows...)
>
> I will blow the tubes tomorrow to make sure there is no moist, but I would also
like to replace just the switch. Can anybody please tell me where this switch
can be bought as a single item? (I haven't tried Europa yet, but I also would
like to know other suppliers for this item).
>
> Thanks.
> Marcel
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Visit - www.EuropaOwners.org
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Stall Warners |
Hi Frans,
I saw that one too, could serve as an alternative I guess.
[quote:1af0ab0845="Frans Veldman"]BTW, Did you receive my email?[/quote:1af0ab0845]
Nope, when did you sent it?
Marcel
Visit - www.EuropaOwners.org
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| Subject: | Re: Stall Warners |
[quote:6acf8d2843="Ivor"]They can be had at RS components,
http://uk.rs-online.com/web/search/searchBrowseAction.html?method=getProduct&R=0317443
ivor[/quote:6acf8d2843]
Thanks Ivor, but are these also suitable for 12-14V systems?
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| Subject: | Re: Rotax 914 "what if" |
Ron, You probably know, but it's worth saying perhaps for others that one
914 pump works directly off the alternator. With main and alternator
switches both off, it continues to pump. The only failure of the charging
system that has appeared at all commonly on this forum is the rectifier
failing, and with that scenario, switching off the alternator switch should
leave the main pump working so that you can use your battery reserves on
whatever radio or navigational gizmo makes most sense.
regards, David Joyce, G-XSDJ
----- Original Message -----
From: "rparigoris" <rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us>
Sent: Wednesday, June 03, 2009 6:22 PM
Subject: Europa-List: Rotax 914 "what if"
> <rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us>
>
> "What if" for some reason you can't land and need to fight gravity for a
> long time with a charging system that has quit.
>
> You are runing on battery alone to run a fuel pump.
>
> To extend flight can you turn on pump to fill float bowls
> then turn off pump till engine sags, and turn on etc. etc. etc instead of
> letting pump just run?
>
> 2nd half of question is if the answer to above is yes, what might be the
> optimal MP to use?
>
> Thanking in advance.
> Ron Parigoris
>
>
> Visit - www.EuropaOwners.org
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Rotax 914 "what if" |
Hi Ron,
I seem to recall during my flight testing phase that when flying at the best
L/D I used 1.8 gallons per hour.
My electrical system is fairly simple using the eBuss system. I exchange
the battery every other year, (Oddessy 625) and I test the system capacity
every annual inspection and with just using the power consuming devices
connected to the eBuss. I get about 1:40 minutes until the buss voltage
drops to 11.00 volts.
Hope this helps,
Paul
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| Subject: | Re: Rotax 914 "what if" |
> <davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk>
>
> Ron, You probably know, but it's worth saying perhaps for others that
> one 914 pump works directly off the alternator. With main and alternator
> switches both off, it continues to pump. The only failure of the
> charging system that has appeared at all commonly on this forum is the
> rectifier failing, and with that scenario, switching off the alternator
> switch should leave the main pump working so that you can use your
> battery reserves on whatever radio or navigational gizmo makes most sense.
> regards, David Joyce, G-XSDJ
If the rectifier fails, the pump can no longer be powered. The pump runs
on DC. The pump is connected directly behind the rectifier, but before
the switch.
If the rectifier fails, you have to continue on batterypower only.
Unless you have a dual alternator setup.
I consider a light weight additional alternator a worthy addition: the
weight involved with the additional alternator can be offset by a
smaller battery, as it is extremely unlikely that you will need the
battery during flight. Unless you have both alternators failing at the
same time...
--
Frans Veldman
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| Subject: | Re: Stall Warners |
the low pressure switch from RS is exactly the same. I assume that Europa b
uy it from them.
> Subject: Europa-List: Re: Stall Warners
> From: mz@cariama.nl
> Date: Thu=2C 4 Jun 2009 00:37:28 +0300
> To: europa-list@matronics.com
>
>
> [quote:6acf8d2843="Ivor"]They can be had at RS components=2C
> http://uk.rs-online.com/web/search/searchBrowseAction.html?method=getPr
oduct&R=0317443
>
> ivor[/quote:6acf8d2843]
>
> Thanks Ivor=2C but are these also suitable for 12-14V systems?
>
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| Subject: | Re: Rotax 914 "what if" |
Hi David, Paul and Frans
I have aOdyssey PC545 battery and a
total los 2200mA NiMh emergency battery. There is also a SD20S with a LR3C
sitting on the vacuum pad. I also have an E-bus. Thx. for the input.
I too think that if the regulator fails, internal Rotax generator
will not run a fuel pump.
Anyway, my "what if" is
when flyingwith lots of fuel and not too much in the way of
landing areas I get some severe smoke in cockpit thought to be electrical
in nature.
In 10 seconds I can plumb electrons from my total
loss 2200mA NiMh battery to a fuel pump.
I would rather
troubleshoot on the ground or at least over an area I can land if needed
with a reasonable chance of sucess.
Thus my "what if"
question is can I extend the range of my total loss battery by turning on
and off the fuel pump?
"When" I am flying the AlCan
highway will probably be when I need to retrieve this piece of "what
if".
Ron Parigoris
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| Subject: | Re: Stall Warners |
Yes they are the same switch as the Europa one,
same principle as the Carling Toggle switches that can operate up to 10 amp at
250v or 15 amp at 125v
ivor
---- zwakie <mz@cariama.nl> wrote:
>
> [quote:6acf8d2843="Ivor"]They can be had at RS components,
> http://uk.rs-online.com/web/search/searchBrowseAction.html?method=getProduct&R=0317443
>
> ivor[/quote:6acf8d2843]
>
> Thanks Ivor, but are these also suitable for 12-14V systems?
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