---------------------------------------------------------- Europa-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 06/03/09: 20 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:54 AM - Re: Tri-gear wheel fairing (Frans Veldman) 2. 05:54 AM - Europa Classic Exhaust system (Bill Henderson) 3. 07:15 AM - Re: Europa Classic Exhaust system (rampil) 4. 08:25 AM - Parts for sale (Neil France) 5. 10:40 AM - Rotax 914 "what if" (rparigoris) 6. 11:22 AM - Re: Europa Classic Exhaust system (Richard Scanlan) 7. 11:40 AM - Re: Europa Classic Exhaust system (Christoph Both) 8. 12:10 PM - Re: Europa Classic Exhaust system (Garry) 9. 12:25 PM - Re: Europa Classic Exhaust system (Bill Henderson) 10. 01:55 PM - Re: Stall Warners (zwakie) 11. 02:23 PM - Re: Re: Stall Warners (Frans Veldman) 12. 02:23 PM - Re: Re: Stall Warners () 13. 02:40 PM - Re: Stall Warners (zwakie) 14. 02:40 PM - Re: Stall Warners (zwakie) 15. 02:55 PM - Re: Rotax 914 "what if" (David Joyce) 16. 03:12 PM - Re: Rotax 914 "what if" (Paul McAllister) 17. 03:33 PM - Re: Rotax 914 "what if" (Frans Veldman) 18. 04:47 PM - Re: Re: Stall Warners (Karl Heindl) 19. 04:50 PM - Re: Rotax 914 "what if" (rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us) 20. 11:23 PM - Re: Re: Stall Warners () ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:54:13 AM PST US From: Frans Veldman Subject: Re: Europa-List: Tri-gear wheel fairing I wrote: > While working today on the nose wheel fairing, I noticed that the top of > the front halve is highly asymmetrical. > Now, having gone through all sorts of puzzles with it, it looks like it > is not my fault. Good news! Just had a phone conversation with Roger Bull, and he told me that they never knew about this problem, but that they are going to change the mold now they know about it. So in the future, this problem should not occur anymore. -- Frans Veldman ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:54:24 AM PST US From: "Bill Henderson" Subject: Europa-List: Europa Classic Exhaust system I am looking for an exhaust system for a Classic Europa, new, used, or junk. I contacted Europa to get ordering information and John replied saying they have found it almost impossible for them to get one manufactured. Anyone have any suggestions? Converting to an XS firewall forward at this time would be costly. Thanks, Bill Henderson A010 Monowheel Classic (still building) ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 07:15:51 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: Europa Classic Exhaust system From: "rampil" I would suggest going directly to their exhaust OEM manufacturer. I have found them to be extremely helpful and responsive. They do custom work all the time. Find them at: http://www.cktengineering.com/aerospace_exhausts.php Ira -------- Ira N224XS Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=246597#246597 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 08:25:51 AM PST US From: "Neil France" Subject: Europa-List: Parts for sale I have for sale, quite a few parts for Europa engine installation , including classic radiators and oil cooler, Cold air plenum chamber and filter, hot water carb heat kit components. Anyone interested, please email me off list. Thanks, Neil do not archive ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 10:40:44 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Rotax 914 "what if" From: "rparigoris" "What if" for some reason you can't land and need to fight gravity for a long time with a charging system that has quit. You are runing on battery alone to run a fuel pump. To extend flight can you turn on pump to fill float bowls then turn off pump till engine sags, and turn on etc. etc. etc instead of letting pump just run? 2nd half of question is if the answer to above is yes, what might be the optimal MP to use? Thanking in advance. Ron Parigoris Visit - www.EuropaOwners.org ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 11:22:42 AM PST US From: "Richard Scanlan" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Europa Classic Exhaust system Hi Bill, You can contact CKT (Chris Piper) although they are NOT the manufacturers of the classic exhausts. CKT designed and developed the XS system. I know Chris well and that they have shyed away from copying the classic system due to it's inherent design flaws. Send them a mail or alternatively contact me off forum. Richard Scanlan #103 -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Henderson Sent: 03 June 2009 13:52 Subject: Europa-List: Europa Classic Exhaust system I am looking for an exhaust system for a Classic Europa, new, used, or junk. I contacted Europa to get ordering information and John replied saying they have found it almost impossible for them to get one manufactured. Anyone have any suggestions? Converting to an XS firewall forward at this time would be costly. Thanks, Bill Henderson A010 Monowheel Classic (still building) Checked by AVG - www.avg.com 05:53:00 -- We are a community of 6 million users fighting spam. The Professional version does not have this message ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 11:40:57 AM PST US Subject: RE: Europa-List: Europa Classic Exhaust system From: "Christoph Both" What were the inherent design flaws of the Classic Exhaust? Christoph Both #223 Wolfville Nova Scotia Canada -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard Scanlan Sent: Wednesday, June 03, 2009 3:19 PM Subject: RE: Europa-List: Europa Classic Exhaust system Hi Bill, You can contact CKT (Chris Piper) although they are NOT the manufacturers of the classic exhausts. CKT designed and developed the XS system. I know Chris well and that they have shyed away from copying the classic system due to it's inherent design flaws. Send them a mail or alternatively contact me off forum. Richard Scanlan #103 -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Henderson Sent: 03 June 2009 13:52 Subject: Europa-List: Europa Classic Exhaust system I am looking for an exhaust system for a Classic Europa, new, used, or junk. I contacted Europa to get ordering information and John replied saying they have found it almost impossible for them to get one manufactured. Anyone have any suggestions? Converting to an XS firewall forward at this time would be costly. Thanks, Bill Henderson A010 Monowheel Classic (still building) Checked by AVG - www.avg.com 05:53:00 -- We are a community of 6 million users fighting spam. The Professional version does not have this message ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 12:10:05 PM PST US From: "Garry" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Europa Classic Exhaust system ..........inherent design flaws in the Classic exhaust system? First I've heard of that! What kind of flaws? Is this a safety issue? I wasn't aware there was any difference between the Classic and XS exhaust systems. Garry Stout ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Scanlan" Sent: Wednesday, June 03, 2009 2:19 PM Subject: RE: Europa-List: Europa Classic Exhaust system > > > Hi Bill, > You can contact CKT (Chris Piper) although they are NOT the manufacturers > of the classic exhausts. CKT designed and developed the XS system. I know > Chris well and that they have shyed away from copying the classic system > due > to it's inherent design flaws. Send them a mail or alternatively contact > me > off forum. > > Richard Scanlan > #103 > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill > Henderson > Sent: 03 June 2009 13:52 > To: europa-list@matronics.com > Subject: Europa-List: Europa Classic Exhaust system > > > > I am looking for an exhaust system for a Classic Europa, new, used, or > junk. > > I contacted Europa to get ordering information and John replied saying > they > have found it almost impossible for them to get one manufactured. > > Anyone have any suggestions? Converting to an XS firewall forward at this > time would be costly. > > Thanks, > Bill Henderson > A010 Monowheel Classic > (still building) > > > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > 05:53:00 > > > -- > We are a community of 6 million users fighting spam. > > The Professional version does not have this message > > > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 12:25:59 PM PST US From: "Bill Henderson" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Europa Classic Exhaust system Gary, Yes, there's a big difference in the exhaust systems. The engine in the classic is around 3" or so closer to the foot well than the XS so the exhaust pipe has to go up and around before it goes down to the muffler. In the XS there is clearance between the engine and footwell for the pipe to go straight down to the muffler. The Classic muffler is also oval shaped and only 3 1/2" tall. The XS is around 6". The exhaust pipes for the Classic enter the muffler on the sides. On the XS the pipes enter on top of the muffler at the front and rear. I had a new XS exhaust that I planned to use, but just sold on Ebay as there was no room between the engine and cowling for it to fit. Now I'm back to square one..... Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: "Garry" Sent: Wednesday, June 03, 2009 3:00 PM Subject: Re: Europa-List: Europa Classic Exhaust system > > ..........inherent design flaws in the Classic exhaust system? First I've > heard of that! What kind of flaws? Is this a safety issue? I wasn't > aware there was any difference between the Classic and XS exhaust systems. > > Garry Stout > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Richard Scanlan" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, June 03, 2009 2:19 PM > Subject: RE: Europa-List: Europa Classic Exhaust system > > >> >> >> Hi Bill, >> You can contact CKT (Chris Piper) although they are NOT the manufacturers >> of the classic exhausts. CKT designed and developed the XS system. I know >> Chris well and that they have shyed away from copying the classic system >> due >> to it's inherent design flaws. Send them a mail or alternatively contact >> me >> off forum. >> >> Richard Scanlan >> #103 >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com >> [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill >> Henderson >> Sent: 03 June 2009 13:52 >> To: europa-list@matronics.com >> Subject: Europa-List: Europa Classic Exhaust system >> >> >> >> I am looking for an exhaust system for a Classic Europa, new, used, or >> junk. >> >> I contacted Europa to get ordering information and John replied saying >> they >> have found it almost impossible for them to get one manufactured. >> >> Anyone have any suggestions? Converting to an XS firewall forward at >> this >> time would be costly. >> >> Thanks, >> Bill Henderson >> A010 Monowheel Classic >> (still building) >> >> >> >> >> >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >> 05:53:00 >> >> >> -- >> We are a community of 6 million users fighting spam. >> >> The Professional version does not have this message >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 01:55:01 PM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: Stall Warners From: "zwakie" (just kicking up this thread, hoping to find an answer) Part of Mod 61 (stall warner) is a pressure switch. Mine has recently started to continiously 'blow the horn', so I believe this could mean one of two things: 1. I have some moist in the tube 2. The switch is starting to decease (corrosion, internal movements getting sticky, who knows...) I will blow the tubes tomorrow to make sure there is no moist, but I would also like to replace just the switch. Can anybody please tell me where this switch can be bought as a single item? (I haven't tried Europa yet, but I also would like to know other suppliers for this item). Thanks. Marcel Visit - www.EuropaOwners.org ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 02:23:39 PM PST US From: Frans Veldman Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: Stall Warners > Part of Mod 61 (stall warner) is a pressure switch. > > Mine has recently started to continiously 'blow the horn', so I > believe this could mean one of two things: 1. I have some moist in > the tube 2. The switch is starting to decease (corrosion, internal > movements getting sticky, who knows...) > > I will blow the tubes tomorrow to make sure there is no moist, but I > would also like to replace just the switch. Can anybody please tell > me where this switch can be bought as a single item? (I haven't tried > Europa yet, but I also would like to know other suppliers for this > item). Something like this could be of help: http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/inpages/mpl.php Too bad, I just placed an order at ACS, if I would have known earlier I could have added it to the order. BTW, Did you receive my email? -- Frans Veldman ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 02:23:39 PM PST US From: Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: Stall Warners They can be had at RS components, http://uk.rs-online.com/web/search/searchBrowseAction.html?method=getProduct&R=0317443 ivor ---- zwakie wrote: > > (just kicking up this thread, hoping to find an answer) > > Part of Mod 61 (stall warner) is a pressure switch. > > Mine has recently started to continiously 'blow the horn', so I believe this could mean one of two things: > 1. I have some moist in the tube > 2. The switch is starting to decease (corrosion, internal movements getting sticky, who knows...) > > I will blow the tubes tomorrow to make sure there is no moist, but I would also like to replace just the switch. Can anybody please tell me where this switch can be bought as a single item? (I haven't tried Europa yet, but I also would like to know other suppliers for this item). > > Thanks. > Marcel > > > > > > > Visit - www.EuropaOwners.org > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 02:40:55 PM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: Stall Warners From: "zwakie" Hi Frans, I saw that one too, could serve as an alternative I guess. [quote:1af0ab0845="Frans Veldman"]BTW, Did you receive my email?[/quote:1af0ab0845] Nope, when did you sent it? Marcel Visit - www.EuropaOwners.org ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 02:40:55 PM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: Stall Warners From: "zwakie" [quote:6acf8d2843="Ivor"]They can be had at RS components, http://uk.rs-online.com/web/search/searchBrowseAction.html?method=getProduct&R=0317443 ivor[/quote:6acf8d2843] Thanks Ivor, but are these also suitable for 12-14V systems? Visit - www.EuropaOwners.org ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 02:55:27 PM PST US From: "David Joyce" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Rotax 914 "what if" Ron, You probably know, but it's worth saying perhaps for others that one 914 pump works directly off the alternator. With main and alternator switches both off, it continues to pump. The only failure of the charging system that has appeared at all commonly on this forum is the rectifier failing, and with that scenario, switching off the alternator switch should leave the main pump working so that you can use your battery reserves on whatever radio or navigational gizmo makes most sense. regards, David Joyce, G-XSDJ ----- Original Message ----- From: "rparigoris" Sent: Wednesday, June 03, 2009 6:22 PM Subject: Europa-List: Rotax 914 "what if" > > > "What if" for some reason you can't land and need to fight gravity for a > long time with a charging system that has quit. > > You are runing on battery alone to run a fuel pump. > > To extend flight can you turn on pump to fill float bowls > then turn off pump till engine sags, and turn on etc. etc. etc instead of > letting pump just run? > > 2nd half of question is if the answer to above is yes, what might be the > optimal MP to use? > > Thanking in advance. > Ron Parigoris > > > Visit - www.EuropaOwners.org > > > ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 03:12:51 PM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: Rotax 914 "what if" From: Paul McAllister Hi Ron, I seem to recall during my flight testing phase that when flying at the best L/D I used 1.8 gallons per hour. My electrical system is fairly simple using the eBuss system. I exchange the battery every other year, (Oddessy 625) and I test the system capacity every annual inspection and with just using the power consuming devices connected to the eBuss. I get about 1:40 minutes until the buss voltage drops to 11.00 volts. Hope this helps, Paul ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 03:33:04 PM PST US From: Frans Veldman Subject: Re: Europa-List: Rotax 914 "what if" > > > Ron, You probably know, but it's worth saying perhaps for others that > one 914 pump works directly off the alternator. With main and alternator > switches both off, it continues to pump. The only failure of the > charging system that has appeared at all commonly on this forum is the > rectifier failing, and with that scenario, switching off the alternator > switch should leave the main pump working so that you can use your > battery reserves on whatever radio or navigational gizmo makes most sense. > regards, David Joyce, G-XSDJ If the rectifier fails, the pump can no longer be powered. The pump runs on DC. The pump is connected directly behind the rectifier, but before the switch. If the rectifier fails, you have to continue on batterypower only. Unless you have a dual alternator setup. I consider a light weight additional alternator a worthy addition: the weight involved with the additional alternator can be offset by a smaller battery, as it is extremely unlikely that you will need the battery during flight. Unless you have both alternators failing at the same time... -- Frans Veldman ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 04:47:19 PM PST US From: Karl Heindl Subject: RE: Europa-List: Re: Stall Warners the low pressure switch from RS is exactly the same. I assume that Europa b uy it from them. > Subject: Europa-List: Re: Stall Warners > From: mz@cariama.nl > Date: Thu=2C 4 Jun 2009 00:37:28 +0300 > To: europa-list@matronics.com > > > [quote:6acf8d2843="Ivor"]They can be had at RS components=2C > http://uk.rs-online.com/web/search/searchBrowseAction.html?method=getPr oduct&R=0317443 > > ivor[/quote:6acf8d2843] > > Thanks Ivor=2C but are these also suitable for 12-14V systems? > > > > > > > Visit - www.EuropaOwners.org > > > > > =========== =========== =========== =========== > > > ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 04:50:44 PM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: Rotax 914 "what if" From: rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us Hi David, Paul and Frans I have aOdyssey PC545 battery and a total los 2200mA NiMh emergency battery. There is also a SD20S with a LR3C sitting on the vacuum pad. I also have an E-bus. Thx. for the input. I too think that if the regulator fails, internal Rotax generator will not run a fuel pump. Anyway, my "what if" is when flyingwith lots of fuel and not too much in the way of landing areas I get some severe smoke in cockpit thought to be electrical in nature. In 10 seconds I can plumb electrons from my total loss 2200mA NiMh battery to a fuel pump. I would rather troubleshoot on the ground or at least over an area I can land if needed with a reasonable chance of sucess. Thus my "what if" question is can I extend the range of my total loss battery by turning on and off the fuel pump? "When" I am flying the AlCan highway will probably be when I need to retrieve this piece of "what if". Ron Parigoris ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 11:23:41 PM PST US From: Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: Stall Warners Yes they are the same switch as the Europa one, same principle as the Carling Toggle switches that can operate up to 10 amp at 250v or 15 amp at 125v ivor ---- zwakie wrote: > > [quote:6acf8d2843="Ivor"]They can be had at RS components, > http://uk.rs-online.com/web/search/searchBrowseAction.html?method=getProduct&R=0317443 > > ivor[/quote:6acf8d2843] > > Thanks Ivor, but are these also suitable for 12-14V systems? > > > > > > > Visit - www.EuropaOwners.org > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message europa-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Europa-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/europa-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/europa-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.