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1. 07:54 AM - Sticking throttle cable, need a good fix! (Robert Borger)
2. 08:23 AM - Re: Sticking throttle cable, need a good fix! (Jeff B)
3. 08:51 AM - Re: Sticking throttle cable, need a good fix! (JEFF ROBERTS)
4. 09:11 AM - Re: Sticking throttle cable, need a good fix! (Raimo Toivio)
5. 12:05 PM - Re: Sticking throttle cable, need a good fix! (Paul McAllister)
6. 04:06 PM - Re: Third Annual Europa Fly in (Robert Borger)
7. 04:18 PM - 914 Slight Hesitation going Full Throttle? (darinh)
8. 07:21 PM - Fw: Third Annual Europa Fly in (david miller)
9. 11:50 PM - Re: Sticking throttle cable, need a good fix! ()
10. 11:53 PM - Re: 914 Slight Hesitation going Full Throttle? ()
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| Subject: | Sticking throttle cable, need a good fix! |
Fellow Europaphiles,
I need a recommendation for my sticking throttle problem. I thought I
had it fixed, but I flew this morning and it happened again. Flew
from Denton (KDTO) to Ironhead (T58) for landing practice. First
landing was excellent. Taxied back for takeoff, applied full throttle
and started to roll. RPM only went to 4000. Aborted the takeoff.
Taxied back to takeoff, held the brake, worked the throttle and was
rewarded with 5780 RPM. Released the brake and took off, flew back to
KDTO, landed (OK landing, bounce, power, stabilize, land right). Went
back to the hanger and pulled the upper cowl. The port throttle cable
was hanging up again. I have posted pics on my build web site.
Starboard throttle goes to full, port only goes half way. By working
the throttle one can get full throttle on both, but that's not right.
I need a good fix for this problem. I have heard about teflon liners
and solid cables. I'd like some feedback on what folks have found to
really work and how the installation was done.
Thanks in advance,
Bob Borger
Europa Kit #A221 N914XL, XS Mono, Intercooled 914, Airmaster C/S
http://www.europaowners.org/N914XL
Aircraft Flying!
3705 Lynchburg Dr.
Corinth, TX 76208
Home: 940-497-2123
Cel: 817-992-1117
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| Subject: | Re: Sticking throttle cable, need a good fix! |
Bob,
Solids would do the trick. I used them when I was researching the
problems I was having earlier. However, you might want to research the
reason for the binding. Make sure the cable enters the housing straight
on and exits the same. Make sure the pivots on the throttle arm are
free from binding. No tight bends, anywhere in the run. Flushing the
housing and relubricating the whole thing may help.
As for the solids vs braided, I've seen no real difference, other than
to help with a binding problem. On a properly run set of cables, the
originals work fine...
Jeff - Baby Blue
Robert Borger wrote:
>
> Fellow Europaphiles,
>
> I need a recommendation for my sticking throttle problem. I thought I
> had it fixed, but I flew this morning and it happened again. Flew from
> Denton (KDTO) to Ironhead (T58) for landing practice. First landing was
> excellent. Taxied back for takeoff, applied full throttle and started
> to roll. RPM only went to 4000. Aborted the takeoff. Taxied back to
> takeoff, held the brake, worked the throttle and was rewarded with 5780
> RPM. Released the brake and took off, flew back to KDTO, landed (OK
> landing, bounce, power, stabilize, land right). Went back to the hanger
> and pulled the upper cowl. The port throttle cable was hanging up
> again. I have posted pics on my build web site. Starboard throttle
> goes to full, port only goes half way. By working the throttle one can
> get full throttle on both, but that's not right. I need a good fix for
> this problem. I have heard about teflon liners and solid cables. I'd
> like some feedback on what folks have found to really work and how the
> installation was done.
>
> Thanks in advance,
> Bob Borger
> Europa Kit #A221 N914XL, XS Mono, Intercooled 914, Airmaster C/S
> http://www.europaowners.org/N914XL
> Aircraft Flying!
> 3705 Lynchburg Dr.
> Corinth, TX 76208
> Home: 940-497-2123
> Cel: 817-992-1117
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
>
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| Subject: | Re: Sticking throttle cable, need a good fix! |
Also Bob check your carb springs. I had one once that was a little
lazy. New spring fixed it. Just a thought.
Jeff R.
A258 - N128LJ / Gold Rush 186 hours and climbing slowly.
On Jun 15, 2009, at 10:21 AM, Jeff B wrote:
>
> Bob,
>
> Solids would do the trick. I used them when I was researching the
> problems I was having earlier. However, you might want to research
> the reason for the binding. Make sure the cable enters the housing
> straight on and exits the same. Make sure the pivots on the throttle
> arm are free from binding. No tight bends, anywhere in the run.
> Flushing the housing and relubricating the whole thing may help.
>
> As for the solids vs braided, I've seen no real difference, other than
> to help with a binding problem. On a properly run set of cables, the
> originals work fine...
>
> Jeff - Baby Blue
>
> Robert Borger wrote:
>> Fellow Europaphiles,
>> I need a recommendation for my sticking throttle problem. I thought
>> I had it fixed, but I flew this morning and it happened again. Flew
>> from Denton (KDTO) to Ironhead (T58) for landing practice. First
>> landing was excellent. Taxied back for takeoff, applied full
>> throttle and started to roll. RPM only went to 4000. Aborted the
>> takeoff. Taxied back to takeoff, held the brake, worked the throttle
>> and was rewarded with 5780 RPM. Released the brake and took off,
>> flew back to KDTO, landed (OK landing, bounce, power, stabilize, land
>> right). Went back to the hanger and pulled the upper cowl. The port
>> throttle cable was hanging up again. I have posted pics on my build
>> web site. Starboard throttle goes to full, port only goes half way.
>> By working the throttle one can get full throttle on both, but that's
>> not right. I need a good fix for this problem. I have heard about
>> teflon liners and solid cables. I'd like some feedback on what folks
>> have found to really work and how the installation was done.
>> Thanks in advance,
>> Bob Borger
>> Europa Kit #A221 N914XL, XS Mono, Intercooled 914, Airmaster C/S
>> http://www.europaowners.org/N914XL
>> Aircraft Flying!
>> 3705 Lynchburg Dr.
>> Corinth, TX 76208
>> Home: 940-497-2123
>> Cel: 817-992-1117
>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>> --
>> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Sticking throttle cable, need a good fix! |
I have original braided cables but NO loops.
Manual advised not to cut them but I did and made almost straight cables.
Works perfectly.
Raimo OH-XRT "Tuuli-Ilmatar"
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeff B" <topglock@cox.net>
Sent: Monday, June 15, 2009 6:21 PM
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Sticking throttle cable, need a good fix!
>
> Bob,
>
> Solids would do the trick. I used them when I was researching the
> problems I was having earlier. However, you might want to research the
> reason for the binding. Make sure the cable enters the housing straight
> on and exits the same. Make sure the pivots on the throttle arm are
> free from binding. No tight bends, anywhere in the run. Flushing the
> housing and relubricating the whole thing may help.
>
> As for the solids vs braided, I've seen no real difference, other than
> to help with a binding problem. On a properly run set of cables, the
> originals work fine...
>
> Jeff - Baby Blue
>
> Robert Borger wrote:
> >
> > Fellow Europaphiles,
> >
> > I need a recommendation for my sticking throttle problem. I thought I
> > had it fixed, but I flew this morning and it happened again. Flew from
> > Denton (KDTO) to Ironhead (T58) for landing practice. First landing was
> > excellent. Taxied back for takeoff, applied full throttle and started
> > to roll. RPM only went to 4000. Aborted the takeoff. Taxied back to
> > takeoff, held the brake, worked the throttle and was rewarded with 5780
> > RPM. Released the brake and took off, flew back to KDTO, landed (OK
> > landing, bounce, power, stabilize, land right). Went back to the hanger
> > and pulled the upper cowl. The port throttle cable was hanging up
> > again. I have posted pics on my build web site. Starboard throttle
> > goes to full, port only goes half way. By working the throttle one can
> > get full throttle on both, but that's not right. I need a good fix for
> > this problem. I have heard about teflon liners and solid cables. I'd
> > like some feedback on what folks have found to really work and how the
> > installation was done.
> >
> > Thanks in advance,
> > Bob Borger
> > Europa Kit #A221 N914XL, XS Mono, Intercooled 914, Airmaster C/S
> > http://www.europaowners.org/N914XL
> > Aircraft Flying!
> > 3705 Lynchburg Dr.
> > Corinth, TX 76208
> > Home: 940-497-2123
> > Cel: 817-992-1117
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> >
> > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
> >
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Sticking throttle cable, need a good fix! |
Hi All,
Although the manual suggests not to cut the cables, I did. I routed them to
be as straight as possible and then cut them to lenght. I haven't ever had
a problem with mine hanging up, although I can't definatively say that this
is because I shortened them.
Paul
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| Subject: | Re: Third Annual Europa Fly in |
Gents,
I have confirmed lodge reservations for the Third Annual Europa Fly-
in. Looking forward to meeting everyone.
Now I need to get this pesky throttle problem cleared up so I can
continue to fly off the 40 hours.
Check six,
Bob Borger
Europa Kit #A221 N914XL, XS Mono, Intercooled 914, Airmaster C/S
http://www.europaowners.org/N914XL
Aircraft Flying!
3705 Lynchburg Dr.
Corinth, TX 76208
Home: 940-497-2123
Cel: 817-992-1117
On Jun 13, 2009, at 10:29, Paul McAllister wrote:
> Third Annual Europa Fly in
>
> Hail all Europaphiles
>
>
> That time of year approaches again !! The second Annual Europa Fly-
> in will be held on the weekend of September 19 & 20, 2009 at Rough
> River State Park. For those who haven=92t attended before, Rough
> River is part of the Kentucky State Park system with its own airport
> (2I3), camping facilities and a lodge, which is walking distance
> from the airport. The lodge has both rooms and cabin style
> accommodation.
>
> Rough River offers walking trails, fishing, beach, golfing and a
> large marina that has rental craft of all sizes available.
>
> The Conventions Manager of the Rough River Resort ( Leighanne
> Logsdon ) is holding a block of rooms for the Europa fly in until
> the 19th of June, so for those who have not booked yet, let them
> know that you are part of this event and they will make one of these
> rooms available to you. I would encourage everyone to take
> advantage of the block reservations as once Leighanne releases them
> to the general public they will be booked up quickly
>
> For reservations call 800-325-1713.
>
> http://parks.ky.gov/resortparks/rr/
> http://www.airnav.com/airport/2I3
>
>
> Please let me or Jeff know if you are contemplating attending. It
> would help us better plan the event if we had an approximate
> headcount.
>
> Jeff & Paul
>
> Paul can be contacted on paul.the.aviator@gmail.com and Jeff can be
> contacted on topglock@cox.net
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| Subject: | 914 Slight Hesitation going Full Throttle? |
First off, let me say that I fly a Kitfox not a Europa (although I would love one)
but you guys fly way more 914's than do the Kitfox guys so I come to you with
engine questions.
I have a 914 (new with 45 hours thus far). The issue I am having is a very short
hesitation when going full throttle. Basically, when I push the throttle up
on take-off, it runs beautifully up to about 100% throttle or max. continuous
power position (35" MAP or so). Then as I go the last 15% and the boost kicks
in full, I get a very slight hesitation (maybe .5 seconds) then it continues
up to my 5700 rpm max. prop setting and 40" MAP. It doesn't seem to do this
when in the air and going WOT. I have a Airmasters prop and sometimes think
that this might be the cause as the electric motor that drives pitch lags slightly
behind the engine. Anyone experience this?
--------
Darin Hawkes
Series 7
914 Turbo
Kaysville, Utah
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=248338#248338
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| Subject: | Third Annual Europa Fly in |
Bob,
There was a new product listing in the EAA Sport pilot mag.
McFarlane throttle control for Rotax. Teflon Liner, stainless steel
inner wires, comes in 4,6& 8 foot lengths and can be trimmed.
It is set up for a panel mount but presumably could be modified to
fit a lever.
www,McFarlaneAviation.com
Dave A061
Begin forwarded message:
> From: Robert Borger <rlborger@mac.com>
> Date: June 15, 2009 6:59:06 PM EDT (CA)
> To: europa-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Europa-List: Third Annual Europa Fly in
>
> Gents,
>
> I have confirmed lodge reservations for the Third Annual Europa Fly-
> in. Looking forward to meeting everyone.
>
> Now I need to get this pesky throttle problem cleared up so I can
> continue to fly off the 40 hours.
>
> Check six,
> Bob Borger
> Europa Kit #A221 N914XL, XS Mono, Intercooled 914, Airmaster C/S
> http://www.europaowners.org/N914XL
> Aircraft Flying!
> 3705 Lynchburg Dr.
> Corinth, TX 76208
> Home: 940-497-2123
> Cel: 817-992-1117
>
>
> On Jun 13, 2009, at 10:29, Paul McAllister wrote:
>
>> Third Annual Europa Fly in
>>
>> Hail all Europaphiles
>>
>>
>> That time of year approaches again !! The second Annual Europa
>> Fly-in will be held on the weekend of September 19 & 20, 2009 at
>> Rough River State Park. For those who haven=92t attended before,
>> Rough River is part of the Kentucky State Park system with its own
>> airport (2I3), camping facilities and a lodge, which is walking
>> distance from the airport. The lodge has both rooms and cabin
>> style accommodation.
>>
>> Rough River offers walking trails, fishing, beach, golfing and a
>> large marina that has rental craft of all sizes available.
>>
>> The Conventions Manager of the Rough River Resort ( Leighanne
>> Logsdon ) is holding a block of rooms for the Europa fly in until
>> the 19th of June, so for those who have not booked yet, let them
>> know that you are part of this event and they will make one of
>> these rooms available to you. I would encourage everyone to take
>> advantage of the block reservations as once Leighanne releases
>> them to the general public they will be booked up quickly
>>
>> For reservations call 800-325-1713.
>>
>> http://parks.ky.gov/resortparks/rr/
>> http://www.airnav.com/airport/2I3
>>
>>
>> Please let me or Jeff know if you are contemplating attending. It
>> would help us better plan the event if we had an approximate
>> headcount.
>>
>> Jeff & Paul
>>
>> Paul can be contacted on paul.the.aviator@gmail.com and Jeff can
>> be contacted on topglock@cox.net
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| Subject: | Re: Sticking throttle cable, need a good fix! |
I did exactly as Paul,
IMHO there was way too much cable for the short run to the carbs,
I have had no problems with the cables sticking so far,
Ivor
---- Paul McAllister <paul.the.aviator@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> Although the manual suggests not to cut the cables, I did. I routed them to
> be as straight as possible and then cut them to lenght. I haven't ever had
> a problem with mine hanging up, although I can't definatively say that this
> is because I shortened them.
>
> Paul
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| Subject: | Re: 914 Slight Hesitation going Full Throttle? |
Hi Darin
I would check the waistgate cable to the turbo isnt sticking,
followed by both throttle cables are travelling the same amount towards their end
of travel before they reach the end stops,
Ivor
---- darinh <gerns25@netscape.net> wrote:
>
> First off, let me say that I fly a Kitfox not a Europa (although I would love
one) but you guys fly way more 914's than do the Kitfox guys so I come to you
with engine questions.
>
> I have a 914 (new with 45 hours thus far). The issue I am having is a very short
hesitation when going full throttle. Basically, when I push the throttle
up on take-off, it runs beautifully up to about 100% throttle or max. continuous
power position (35" MAP or so). Then as I go the last 15% and the boost kicks
in full, I get a very slight hesitation (maybe .5 seconds) then it continues
up to my 5700 rpm max. prop setting and 40" MAP. It doesn't seem to do this
when in the air and going WOT. I have a Airmasters prop and sometimes think
that this might be the cause as the electric motor that drives pitch lags slightly
behind the engine. Anyone experience this?
>
> --------
> Darin Hawkes
> Series 7
> 914 Turbo
> Kaysville, Utah
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=248338#248338
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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