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1. 10:41 AM - Re: tank size (jpg12305)
2. 11:10 AM - Hucknall Nottinghamshire DOTH (David Joyce)
3. 11:14 AM - Re: Re: tank size (Frans Veldman)
4. 11:22 AM - Gas strut end sockets (Frans Veldman)
5. 12:14 PM - Classic Exhaust (Bill Henderson)
6. 12:51 PM - Re: Classic Exhaust (Jeff B)
7. 01:09 PM - Re: Gas strut end sockets (jimpuglise@comcast.net)
8. 01:27 PM - Re: Classic Exhaust (Bill Henderson)
9. 04:57 PM - brake line fitting (Fred Klein)
10. 05:44 PM - Re: Re: tank size (JR Gowing)
11. 10:21 PM - Re: brake line fitting (Mike Parkin)
12. 11:04 PM - Re: tank size (jpg12305)
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BTW I observed a nasty issue when leaving the aircraft outside on a warm day, tank
full (or close to).
Fuel spills off the vent, for what I presume being a significant quantity (taints
the paint, and significant traces on the ground).
This drove me to the assumption that a significant empty space remains over the
fuel, due to fuselage pitch on ground (3 wheels Europa's may not exert that).
With warming, vapor tension increases and push fuel out into the vent.
I feel this ceiling space is wasted, on top of the spillage issue. Probably a tube
extending front from the vent port into the tank could permit carrying more
fuel, while avoiding the warming issue.
Has anyone already experienced and solved that?
Many thanks in advance,
Jean-Paul
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| Subject: | Hucknall Nottinghamshire DOTH |
It looks like being a great day to fly tommorow, so I thought an impromptu
DOTH might be an idea, so anyone who would like to visit Merlin Flying Club
@ Hucknall. Its our pagent day of wings and wheels. Visits from Spitfires,
Mustangs Aerobatics BBMF? etc. etc
If anyone interested mail me direct or you can call me on 07973 675755 for
details its PPR on the day btw, hope to see a few Europas there?
rgds
David Joyce
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jpg12305 wrote:
> Probably a tube extending front from
> the vent port into the tank could permit carrying more fuel, while
> avoiding the warming issue.
You could use the same outlet, if you attach a small copper pipe to it,
extending to the upper front of the tank. I'm doing that, because the
tri-gear, while sitting on its trailer, is also resting with its tail
down, and filling the tank while driving to the airport would give me
the same problem.
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Frans Veldman
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| Subject: | Gas strut end sockets |
Although it is summer, temperatures are still unusually low here in the
Netherlands. So when I had to bond something inside the cockpit, I put a
small heater in it to get it cured. Temperatures went up to almost 40
degrees Celcius (which is just a tad over 100 F I think).
After this, the gas struts started to pop out of their ball fittings. I
got plastic end sockets with my kit.
The temperature during the curing of the epoxy was way lower than you
could expect during a summer day on the tarmac, so I guess this problem
must not be uncommon.
On the Europa website, I saw that they also offer metal end sockets. Has
anyone experience with these? Would that be a cure for my problem?
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Frans Veldman
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Anyone state side happen to have a Classic exhaust system for sale in any
condition?
I found a used one overseas, but shipping was almost twice what I was going
to pay for the exhaust due to the size of the box.
Thanks,
Bill
A010 Monowheel Classic 912S
Still building
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| Subject: | Re: Classic Exhaust |
Hey, Bill. I thought you were going to build your own... ;)
Jeff - Baby Blue
Bill Henderson wrote:
> <europabill@bellsouth.net>
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> Anyone state side happen to have a Classic exhaust system for sale in
> any condition?
>
> I found a used one overseas, but shipping was almost twice what I was
> going to pay for the exhaust due to the size of the box.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Bill
> A010 Monowheel Classic 912S
> Still building
>
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| Subject: | Re: Gas strut end sockets |
Frans-
I just installed them and they will not come off the ball no matter what I
try.=C2- There is a small clip on them that appears to hold the fixture t
o the ball, but it still won't come off the ball when you remove it.=C2-
They will probably fix your problem.
Jim Puglise A-283
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From: "Frans Veldman" <frans@paardnatuurlijk.nl>
Sent: Friday, June 19, 2009 2:21:52 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: Europa-List: Gas strut end sockets
Although it is summer, temperatures are still unusually low here in the
Netherlands. So when I had to bond something inside the cockpit, I put a
small heater in it to get it cured. Temperatures went up to almost 40
degrees Celcius (which is just a tad over 100 F I think).
After this, the gas struts started to pop out of their ball fittings. I
got plastic end sockets with my kit.
The temperature during the curing of the epoxy was way lower than you
could expect during a summer day on the tarmac, so I guess this problem
must not be uncommon.
On the Europa website, I saw that they also offer metal end sockets. Has
anyone experience with these? Would that be a cure for my problem?
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Frans Veldman
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| Subject: | Re: Classic Exhaust |
That's what I had planned to do. Then found Bob Burbe with an XS exhaust
that I though would work. Also picked up a trailer from him that was
missing parts that I fixed. Muffler was too big for Classic cowling. Sold
it on Ebay and broke even. Then decided to try and find a used one I could
either use as-is or as a pattern to build my own. Found one in Austria in
good shap (Klaus Dietrick) and was going to get it for around $215 with
shipping but he later found out it was too big for the post office and the
shipping went from $70 to a whopping $250. Guess I'm cheap. Couldn't see
paying $250 shipping for a used exhaust that was $140. Tried to get him to
cut the pipes so it would be small enough to mail. Told him I could easily
weld them back, but he wouldn't do it. Go figure....
Now on to plan B or C or D........
I'm getting closer though. Let me know if you run across a cheap prop
anyone might have. Guess I'll start with a Warp Drive when I find one for
the right price. I would as Bob Borger what he's going to do with the one
he bought, but from the looks of his first prop he might need to keep it as
a spare....
Did you make it to Sun'n'Fun this year? I went planning to spend the week
and was so disappointed with the show, new parking fee, and the lousy hotel
I stayed in that I left after the 2nd day.......
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeff B" <topglock@cox.net>
Sent: Friday, June 19, 2009 3:50 PM
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Classic Exhaust
>
> Hey, Bill. I thought you were going to build your own... ;)
>
> Jeff - Baby Blue
>
> Bill Henderson wrote:
>> <europabill@bellsouth.net>
>>
>> Anyone state side happen to have a Classic exhaust system for sale in any
>> condition?
>>
>> I found a used one overseas, but shipping was almost twice what I was
>> going to pay for the exhaust due to the size of the box.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Bill
>> A010 Monowheel Classic 912S
>> Still building
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>>
>> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
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>
>
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| Subject: | brake line fitting |
Hi guys...
By any chance, can anyone give me the size of the brake line fitting
which threads into the master cylinder?
I'm wanting to switch out the Europa-provided master cylinder and
lever for a Harley-Davidson lever/cylinder which would mount on the
control stick which requires a 10 mm fitting on the end of the brake
line; I'd like to continue to use the Europa-provided brake line.
FWIW, the H-D part # is a 45013-93A (lever/master cylinder) along w/ a
#45044-82 (clamp for a 1" dia. handle), and also requires two #4015
(bolts); quoted price was $169. and change.
This component weighs 1.5 lbs. I went looking for alternatives after
being quoted $375. for the HOPE mountain bike unit, the price seeming
to be a bit over the top.
Thanks,
Fred
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Is vibration going to crack off the pipe?
JR (Bob) gowing UK Kit 327 in Oz
----- Original Message -----
From: "Frans Veldman" <frans@paardnatuurlijk.nl>
Sent: Saturday, June 20, 2009 4:08 AM
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: tank size
> <frans@paardnatuurlijk.nl>
>
> jpg12305 wrote:
>> Probably a tube extending front from
>> the vent port into the tank could permit carrying more fuel, while
>> avoiding the warming issue.
>
> You could use the same outlet, if you attach a small copper pipe to it,
> extending to the upper front of the tank. I'm doing that, because the
> tri-gear, while sitting on its trailer, is also resting with its tail
> down, and filling the tank while driving to the airport would give me
> the same problem.
>
> --
> Frans Veldman
>
>
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| Subject: | brake line fitting |
Fred,
Did you look at this one......
http://mcylulm.free.fr/doc/pdf/maitre_cyl_a_main.pdf
I did bin the europa plastic hose for some stainless braided hose that came
with the master cylinder. Much better solution.
regards,
Mike
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[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Fred Klein
Sent: 20 June 2009 00:56
Subject: Europa-List: brake line fitting
Hi guys...
By any chance, can anyone give me the size of the brake line fitting
which threads into the master cylinder?
I'm wanting to switch out the Europa-provided master cylinder and
lever for a Harley-Davidson lever/cylinder which would mount on the
control stick which requires a 10 mm fitting on the end of the brake
line; I'd like to continue to use the Europa-provided brake line.
FWIW, the H-D part # is a 45013-93A (lever/master cylinder) along w/ a
#45044-82 (clamp for a 1" dia. handle), and also requires two #4015
(bolts); quoted price was $169. and change.
This component weighs 1.5 lbs. I went looking for alternatives after
being quoted $375. for the HOPE mountain bike unit, the price seeming
to be a bit over the top.
Thanks,
Fred
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The solution is actually in the latest CBM-16 build manual I got from the Europa
website. [Embarassed]
The vent fitting F09B mounting instructions now clearly shows that a 30cm aluminium
extension tube must be bonded with Redux.
This was not mentioned in my original Classic manual, and I just need to go for
a retrofit.
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