---------------------------------------------------------- Europa-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Fri 06/19/09: 12 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 10:41 AM - Re: tank size (jpg12305) 2. 11:10 AM - Hucknall Nottinghamshire DOTH (David Joyce) 3. 11:14 AM - Re: Re: tank size (Frans Veldman) 4. 11:22 AM - Gas strut end sockets (Frans Veldman) 5. 12:14 PM - Classic Exhaust (Bill Henderson) 6. 12:51 PM - Re: Classic Exhaust (Jeff B) 7. 01:09 PM - Re: Gas strut end sockets (jimpuglise@comcast.net) 8. 01:27 PM - Re: Classic Exhaust (Bill Henderson) 9. 04:57 PM - brake line fitting (Fred Klein) 10. 05:44 PM - Re: Re: tank size (JR Gowing) 11. 10:21 PM - Re: brake line fitting (Mike Parkin) 12. 11:04 PM - Re: tank size (jpg12305) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 10:41:33 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: tank size From: "jpg12305" BTW I observed a nasty issue when leaving the aircraft outside on a warm day, tank full (or close to). Fuel spills off the vent, for what I presume being a significant quantity (taints the paint, and significant traces on the ground). This drove me to the assumption that a significant empty space remains over the fuel, due to fuselage pitch on ground (3 wheels Europa's may not exert that). With warming, vapor tension increases and push fuel out into the vent. I feel this ceiling space is wasted, on top of the spillage issue. Probably a tube extending front from the vent port into the tank could permit carrying more fuel, while avoiding the warming issue. Has anyone already experienced and solved that? Many thanks in advance, Jean-Paul Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=249132#249132 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 11:10:05 AM PST US From: "David Joyce" Subject: Europa-List: Hucknall Nottinghamshire DOTH It looks like being a great day to fly tommorow, so I thought an impromptu DOTH might be an idea, so anyone who would like to visit Merlin Flying Club @ Hucknall. Its our pagent day of wings and wheels. Visits from Spitfires, Mustangs Aerobatics BBMF? etc. etc If anyone interested mail me direct or you can call me on 07973 675755 for details its PPR on the day btw, hope to see a few Europas there? rgds David Joyce ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 11:14:46 AM PST US From: Frans Veldman Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: tank size jpg12305 wrote: > Probably a tube extending front from > the vent port into the tank could permit carrying more fuel, while > avoiding the warming issue. You could use the same outlet, if you attach a small copper pipe to it, extending to the upper front of the tank. I'm doing that, because the tri-gear, while sitting on its trailer, is also resting with its tail down, and filling the tank while driving to the airport would give me the same problem. -- Frans Veldman ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 11:22:15 AM PST US From: Frans Veldman Subject: Europa-List: Gas strut end sockets Although it is summer, temperatures are still unusually low here in the Netherlands. So when I had to bond something inside the cockpit, I put a small heater in it to get it cured. Temperatures went up to almost 40 degrees Celcius (which is just a tad over 100 F I think). After this, the gas struts started to pop out of their ball fittings. I got plastic end sockets with my kit. The temperature during the curing of the epoxy was way lower than you could expect during a summer day on the tarmac, so I guess this problem must not be uncommon. On the Europa website, I saw that they also offer metal end sockets. Has anyone experience with these? Would that be a cure for my problem? -- Frans Veldman ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 12:14:22 PM PST US From: "Bill Henderson" Subject: Europa-List: Classic Exhaust Anyone state side happen to have a Classic exhaust system for sale in any condition? I found a used one overseas, but shipping was almost twice what I was going to pay for the exhaust due to the size of the box. Thanks, Bill A010 Monowheel Classic 912S Still building ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 12:51:55 PM PST US From: Jeff B Subject: Re: Europa-List: Classic Exhaust Hey, Bill. I thought you were going to build your own... ;) Jeff - Baby Blue Bill Henderson wrote: > > > Anyone state side happen to have a Classic exhaust system for sale in > any condition? > > I found a used one overseas, but shipping was almost twice what I was > going to pay for the exhaust due to the size of the box. > > Thanks, > > Bill > A010 Monowheel Classic 912S > Still building > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 01:09:25 PM PST US From: jimpuglise@comcast.net Subject: Re: Europa-List: Gas strut end sockets Frans- I just installed them and they will not come off the ball no matter what I try.=C2- There is a small clip on them that appears to hold the fixture t o the ball, but it still won't come off the ball when you remove it.=C2- They will probably fix your problem. Jim Puglise A-283 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Frans Veldman" Sent: Friday, June 19, 2009 2:21:52 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Europa-List: Gas strut end sockets Although it is summer, temperatures are still unusually low here in the Netherlands. So when I had to bond something inside the cockpit, I put a small heater in it to get it cured. Temperatures went up to almost 40 degrees Celcius (which is just a tad over 100 F I think). After this, the gas struts started to pop out of their ball fittings. I got plastic end sockets with my kit. The temperature during the curing of the epoxy was way lower than you could expect during a summer day on the tarmac, so I guess this problem must not be uncommon. On the Europa website, I saw that they also offer metal end sockets. Has anyone experience with these? Would that be a cure for my problem? -- Frans Veldman =========== =========== MS - =========== e - =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2--Matt Dralle, List Admin. =========== ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 01:27:08 PM PST US From: "Bill Henderson" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Classic Exhaust That's what I had planned to do. Then found Bob Burbe with an XS exhaust that I though would work. Also picked up a trailer from him that was missing parts that I fixed. Muffler was too big for Classic cowling. Sold it on Ebay and broke even. Then decided to try and find a used one I could either use as-is or as a pattern to build my own. Found one in Austria in good shap (Klaus Dietrick) and was going to get it for around $215 with shipping but he later found out it was too big for the post office and the shipping went from $70 to a whopping $250. Guess I'm cheap. Couldn't see paying $250 shipping for a used exhaust that was $140. Tried to get him to cut the pipes so it would be small enough to mail. Told him I could easily weld them back, but he wouldn't do it. Go figure.... Now on to plan B or C or D........ I'm getting closer though. Let me know if you run across a cheap prop anyone might have. Guess I'll start with a Warp Drive when I find one for the right price. I would as Bob Borger what he's going to do with the one he bought, but from the looks of his first prop he might need to keep it as a spare.... Did you make it to Sun'n'Fun this year? I went planning to spend the week and was so disappointed with the show, new parking fee, and the lousy hotel I stayed in that I left after the 2nd day....... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff B" Sent: Friday, June 19, 2009 3:50 PM Subject: Re: Europa-List: Classic Exhaust > > Hey, Bill. I thought you were going to build your own... ;) > > Jeff - Baby Blue > > Bill Henderson wrote: >> >> >> Anyone state side happen to have a Classic exhaust system for sale in any >> condition? >> >> I found a used one overseas, but shipping was almost twice what I was >> going to pay for the exhaust due to the size of the box. >> >> Thanks, >> >> Bill >> A010 Monowheel Classic 912S >> Still building >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > > > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 04:57:22 PM PST US From: Fred Klein Subject: Europa-List: brake line fitting Hi guys... By any chance, can anyone give me the size of the brake line fitting which threads into the master cylinder? I'm wanting to switch out the Europa-provided master cylinder and lever for a Harley-Davidson lever/cylinder which would mount on the control stick which requires a 10 mm fitting on the end of the brake line; I'd like to continue to use the Europa-provided brake line. FWIW, the H-D part # is a 45013-93A (lever/master cylinder) along w/ a #45044-82 (clamp for a 1" dia. handle), and also requires two #4015 (bolts); quoted price was $169. and change. This component weighs 1.5 lbs. I went looking for alternatives after being quoted $375. for the HOPE mountain bike unit, the price seeming to be a bit over the top. Thanks, Fred A194 -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 05:44:47 PM PST US From: "JR Gowing" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: tank size Is vibration going to crack off the pipe? JR (Bob) gowing UK Kit 327 in Oz ----- Original Message ----- From: "Frans Veldman" Sent: Saturday, June 20, 2009 4:08 AM Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: tank size > > > jpg12305 wrote: >> Probably a tube extending front from >> the vent port into the tank could permit carrying more fuel, while >> avoiding the warming issue. > > You could use the same outlet, if you attach a small copper pipe to it, > extending to the upper front of the tank. I'm doing that, because the > tri-gear, while sitting on its trailer, is also resting with its tail > down, and filling the tank while driving to the airport would give me > the same problem. > > -- > Frans Veldman > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Checked by AVG - www.avg.com 17:59:00 -- We are a community of 6 million users fighting spam. The Professional version does not have this message ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 10:21:33 PM PST US From: "Mike Parkin" Subject: RE: Europa-List: brake line fitting Fred, Did you look at this one...... http://mcylulm.free.fr/doc/pdf/maitre_cyl_a_main.pdf I did bin the europa plastic hose for some stainless braided hose that came with the master cylinder. Much better solution. regards, Mike -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Fred Klein Sent: 20 June 2009 00:56 Subject: Europa-List: brake line fitting Hi guys... By any chance, can anyone give me the size of the brake line fitting which threads into the master cylinder? I'm wanting to switch out the Europa-provided master cylinder and lever for a Harley-Davidson lever/cylinder which would mount on the control stick which requires a 10 mm fitting on the end of the brake line; I'd like to continue to use the Europa-provided brake line. FWIW, the H-D part # is a 45013-93A (lever/master cylinder) along w/ a #45044-82 (clamp for a 1" dia. handle), and also requires two #4015 (bolts); quoted price was $169. and change. This component weighs 1.5 lbs. I went looking for alternatives after being quoted $375. for the HOPE mountain bike unit, the price seeming to be a bit over the top. Thanks, Fred A194 -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com 06:53:00 ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 11:04:41 PM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: tank size From: "jpg12305" The solution is actually in the latest CBM-16 build manual I got from the Europa website. [Embarassed] The vent fitting F09B mounting instructions now clearly shows that a 30cm aluminium extension tube must be bonded with Redux. This was not mentioned in my original Classic manual, and I just need to go for a retrofit. 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