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1. 01:54 AM - Re: Navaid controller (David Joyce)
2. 01:57 AM - Re: mogas (David Joyce)
3. 02:08 AM - Re: Re: tank size (Peter Jeffers)
4. 07:43 AM - Re: brake line fitting (John & Paddy Wigney)
5. 09:37 AM - Re: Re: tank size (Graham Singleton)
6. 09:40 AM - Re: brake line fitting (Fred Klein)
7. 09:55 AM - Re: Re: tank size (Tim Houlihan)
8. 10:13 AM - Re: Re: tank size (Graham Singleton)
9. 10:13 AM - Re: Re: tank size (Graham Singleton)
10. 02:50 PM - Re: Re: tank size (Tim Houlihan)
11. 03:11 PM - Re: mogas (zwakie)
12. 03:50 PM - Re: mogas (danny shepherd)
13. 03:54 PM - Re: Navaid controller (Tony Crowe)
14. 04:22 PM - Re: Fw: Europa 4-seater (craig bastin)
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| Subject: | Re: Navaid controller |
Tony, Sorry gone for 55! David
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From: "Tony Crowe" <groups@bobcroweaircraft.com>
Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2009 8:37 PM
Subject: RE: Europa-List: Navaid controller
> <groups@bobcroweaircraft.com>
>
> Hi David
>
> Would you take 50 for it?
>
> Tony
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of David Joyce
> Sent: 16 June 2009 17:33
> To: Europa list
> Subject: Europa-List: Navaid controller
>
> <davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk>
>
> I am open to offers for a Navaid control unit (ie the bit that is in the
> panel, as opposed to the actuator mechanism), which has worked faultlessly
> since I first flew in 2002, but is now surplus to requirements due to
> panel
> upgrade. It has the bits for working with a GPS. I don't expect much, but
> imagine it might be worth something to someone as a spare!
> David Joyce, G-XSDJ
>
>
>
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Gloucester is planning/thinking of selling Mogas. David Joyce
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From: "danny shepherd" <danny@mcwalterscafe.co.uk>
Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2009 11:03 AM
Subject: Europa-List: mogas
> <danny@mcwalterscafe.co.uk>
>
> Hi All,
> Yesterday I flew over to Halfpenny Green (ex Wolverhampton
> International !!!) I'm glad to say that the airfield is back to being
> nice and friendly again. Talking to the chaps in the tower they said that
> they will soon be supplying Mogas. Now I was wondering are there any other
> airfields in th UK that supply Mogas. It would be useful to have a list of
> said airfields. I now there's talk of Avgas being phased out and replaced
> by lead free fuel, but when, if ever!!!
>
> Cheers Danny G-c.e.r.i
>
>
>
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Hi,
I think many of us have seen this issue of fuel venting on warm to hot days
due to air/fuel vapour expansion.
The cure (and it works fine) is to route the vent pipe from the tank, to the
filler neck instead of the roof vent tube. Thus as fuel tries to vent
overboard, as in the past, it now vents back into the tank. Saves the mess
on the paintwork and also saves precious fuel!!!
You will however still need to vent the tank, so a further connection into
the filler neck now needs to be connected to the roof vent tube.
A further refinement used by some is to move the roof vent tube to the
bottom of the fuselage instead of the top. This later part of the mod
ensures that if for any reason the aircraft ends up inverted, fuel does not
run freely from the vent tube as it would if it remained on top of the
fuselage.
I think you will find this fix simple and very effective.
Pete Jeffers
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[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of jpg12305
Sent: 19 June 2009 18:40
Subject: Europa-List: Re: tank size
BTW I observed a nasty issue when leaving the aircraft outside on a warm
day, tank full (or close to).
Fuel spills off the vent, for what I presume being a significant quantity
(taints the paint, and significant traces on the ground).
This drove me to the assumption that a significant empty space remains over
the fuel, due to fuselage pitch on ground (3 wheels Europa's may not exert
that). With warming, vapor tension increases and push fuel out into the
vent.
I feel this ceiling space is wasted, on top of the spillage issue. Probably
a tube extending front from the vent port into the tank could permit
carrying more fuel, while avoiding the warming issue.
Has anyone already experienced and solved that?
Many thanks in advance,
Jean-Paul
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=249132#249132
Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
06:53:00
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| Subject: | brake line fitting |
Hi Mike,
Thanks for the link to the MDO Aircraft brake fitting. It seems to be
just what I am looking for. I have never been very happy with the
standard brake master cylinder set up on my mono and this appears to be
quite elegant. For those who need help with the French, Babelfish gives
the following translation which can be decoded fairly easily.
MASTER CYLINDER OF BRAKE TO THE HANDLE Weight: 265 G Price: 184 (1207
FF) Envisaged to be gone up vertically on the handle, it comprises one
tank integrated to optimize its obstruction. A device of blocking makes
it possible to fulfill the function brake of park Its assembly is easy
using a support which makes it possible to fix it on handle.
APPLICATIONS: This master cylinder is particularly used on mono
apparatuses coils (Europa or sailplane); he equips also the machines has
combined caster for which directing braking is not necessary. BODY:
Built out of alloy 5754, C `is a part entirely machined in the anodic
mass then. It is reamed has a diameter of 12.5 mm in order to realize an
optimal reduction with clamps MDO PISTON: Out of light alloy high
efficiency, (7075 A), it receives one anodization lasts which enables
him to support a great number of operations under constraint. The
sealing is entrusted has a set of cups in assembled EPDM out of tandem.
TANK: Integrated into the body of the transmitting cylinder, it forms
integral part of the unit. It is equipped with a visible gauge of level
with outside. LID: Out of light alloy (2017 A) anodic of red color, it
is provided with a joint and an opening of vent. BRAKE OF PARK: After
the pressurization of the circuit by the lever the main thing, an
eccentric has hand drive operation comes to immobilize it in its
position. A simple news pressure on the lever releases it its thrust.
By the way on another subject, I have now flown 53 Young Eagles in my
trusty Europa. See http://www.eaa.org/youngeagles/
Cheers, John
N262WF, mono XS, 912S
Mooresville, North Carolina
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From: "Mike Parkin" <mikenjulie.parkin@btinternet.com>
Subject: RE: Europa-List: brake line fitting
Fred,
Did you look at this one......
http://mcylulm.free.fr/doc/pdf/maitre_cyl_a_main.pdf I did bin the
europa plastic hose for some stainless braided hose that came with the
master cylinder. Much better solution. regards, Mike
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Peter Jeffers wrote:
>
> Hi,
> I think many of us have seen this issue of fuel venting on warm to hot days
> due to air/fuel vapour expansion.
> The cure (and it works fine) is to route the vent pipe from the tank, to the
> filler neck instead of the roof vent tube. Thus as fuel tries to vent
> overboard, as in the past, it now vents back into the tank. Saves the mess
> on the paintwork and also saves precious fuel!!!
> You will however still need to vent the tank, so a further connection into
> the filler neck now needs to be connected to the roof vent tube.
> A further refinement used by some is to move the roof vent tube to the
> bottom of the fuselage instead of the top. This later part of the mod
> ensures that if for any reason the aircraft ends up inverted, fuel does not
> run freely from the vent tube as it would if it remained on top of the
> fuselage.
> I think you will find this fix simple and very effective.
>
> Pete Jeffers
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| Subject: | Re: brake line fitting |
On Jun 19, 2009, at 10:20 PM, Mike Parkin wrote:
> Fred,
>
> Did you look at this one......
>
> http://mcylulm.free.fr/doc/pdf/maitre_cyl_a_main.pdf
>
> I did bin the europa plastic hose for some stainless braided hose
> that came
> with the master cylinder. Much better solution.
Mike...very elegant indeed. Re: the brake line, I take it that the
included braided hose was long enough for your installation...(?).
And John...thanks for the translation to English...not quite so
elegant, but valuable and amusing!
Fred
A194
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Hi
Would this solution work in the Classic original setup ? assuming you
run the vent pipe to the top of the filler pipe in the alloy receptacle
Tim Houlihan.
Graham Singleton wrote:
> Peter Jeffers wrote:
>> <pjeffers@talktalk.net>
>>
>> Hi,
>> I think many of us have seen this issue of fuel venting on warm to
>> hot days
>> due to air/fuel vapour expansion.
>> The cure (and it works fine) is to route the vent pipe from the tank,
>> to the
>> filler neck instead of the roof vent tube. Thus as fuel tries to vent
>> overboard, as in the past, it now vents back into the tank. Saves
>> the mess
>> on the paintwork and also saves precious fuel!!!
>> You will however still need to vent the tank, so a further connection
>> into
>> the filler neck now needs to be connected to the roof vent tube.
>> A further refinement used by some is to move the roof vent tube to the
>> bottom of the fuselage instead of the top. This later part of the mod
>> ensures that if for any reason the aircraft ends up inverted, fuel
>> does not
>> run freely from the vent tube as it would if it remained on top of the
>> fuselage.
>> I think you will find this fix simple and very effective.
>>
>> Pete Jeffers
>
>
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>
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>
> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
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Tim
should work fine but not as easy to fit a stub into the hose. Not sure
how I'd do it
Graham
Tim Houlihan wrote:
> <houlihan@blueyonder.co.uk>
>
> Hi
> Would this solution work in the Classic original setup ? assuming you
> run the vent pipe to the top of the filler pipe in the alloy receptacle
>
> Tim Houlihan.
>
> Graham Singleton wrote:
>> Peter Jeffers wrote:
>>> I think many of us have seen this issue of fuel venting on warm to
>>> hot days
>>> due to air/fuel vapour expansion.
>>> The cure (and it works fine) is to route the vent pipe from the
>>> tank, to the
>>> filler neck instead of the roof vent tube. Thus as fuel tries to vent
>>> overboard, as in the past, it now vents back into the tank. Saves
>>> the mess
>>> on the paintwork and also saves precious fuel!!!
>>> You will however still need to vent the tank, so a further
>>> connection int
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Tim
On second thoughts, I'd replace the big hose in the Classic with an
aluminium tube, help to get rid of the fuel smell too!
Graham
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Hi Graham
That sounds like a good idea.
What wall thickness do you think would be required to allow the fuel
hose to be clamped to the alloy tube at the elbow?
Tim
Graham Singleton wrote:
> <grahamsingleton@btinternet.com>
>
> Tim
> On second thoughts, I'd replace the big hose in the Classic with an
> aluminium tube, help to get rid of the fuel smell too!
> Graham
>
>
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>
> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
>
>
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[quote:d563001a9e="danny shephed"]H/Green soon.[/quote:d563001a9e]
Hi Danny,
Which one are you referring to, EGBO Halpfenny Green by any chance?
Visit - www.EuropaOwners.org
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Yep EGBO
zwakie wrote:
>
> [quote:d563001a9e="danny shephed"]H/Green soon.[/quote:d563001a9e]
> Hi Danny,
>
> Which one are you referring to, EGBO Halpfenny Green by any chance?
>
>
> Visit - www.EuropaOwners.org
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Navaid controller |
No problem
Thanks
tony
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of David Joyce
Sent: 20 June 2009 09:53
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Navaid controller
Tony, Sorry gone for 55! David
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tony Crowe" <groups@bobcroweaircraft.com>
Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2009 8:37 PM
Subject: RE: Europa-List: Navaid controller
> <groups@bobcroweaircraft.com>
>
> Hi David
>
> Would you take 50 for it?
>
> Tony
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of David Joyce
> Sent: 16 June 2009 17:33
> To: Europa list
> Subject: Europa-List: Navaid controller
>
> <davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk>
>
> I am open to offers for a Navaid control unit (ie the bit that is in the
> panel, as opposed to the actuator mechanism), which has worked faultlessly
> since I first flew in 2002, but is now surplus to requirements due to
> panel
> upgrade. It has the bits for working with a GPS. I don't expect much, but
> imagine it might be worth something to someone as a spare!
> David Joyce, G-XSDJ
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Fw: Europa 4-seater |
Raimo, I think you might have to go on a diet, as your girls get bigger so
you dont go over MTOW :)
I had considered simmilar for my baby
craig
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Raimo Toivio
Sent: Friday, 19 June 2009 7:20 AM
To: europa-list@matronics.com
Subject: Europa-List: Fw: Europa 4-seater
Hi (all those who like flying with a good company!)
I am happy to let you know we had today "Europa 4-seater flight".
That has been my dream since I started building 1999.
Actually, there were my daughters Tuuli 8 years and Merete 5 years.
Me and my wife omboard with full thank TOW was 656 kgs (1443 lbs).
My MTOW is 658 kgs (1450 lbs).
Our CofG was well between limits (almost center because added Airmaster
prop hub 7 kgs (15,4 lbs)).
Everything went WELL and there were not any problems.
Children had fun - Europa is a real family machine!
I am going to have a 4-place intercom next.
My Europa will be permitted (in this country) for 4-seater (actually 2+2),
max 60 kgs (132 lbs) on the back seat (with certified seat belts).
So, Europa XS is almost like that French fun machine Dyn Aeros 4s...
Raimo OH-XRT
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