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1. 06:26 AM - Re: Fw: Europa 4-seater (Raimo Toivio)
2. 06:40 AM - Re: Gas strut end sockets (Raimo Toivio)
3. 07:13 AM - Re: Gas strut end sockets (jimpuglise@comcast.net)
4. 07:13 AM - Re: Fw: Europa 4-seater (Raimo Toivio)
5. 08:42 AM - Fw: Europa 4-seater (danbish)
6. 10:26 AM - Re: Fw: Europa 4-seater (Paul McAllister)
7. 10:34 AM - Mono Wanted (Paddy Clarke)
8. 10:47 AM - Re: DOTH Old Sarum Thu. 25th. (Raymond Wren)
9. 11:11 AM - Re: Monowheel master cylinder (Mike Parkin)
10. 02:38 PM - fuel flow 914 (europa@pstewart.f2s.com)
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| Subject: | Re: Fw: Europa 4-seater |
Craig, you are right!
I am able to take out 10 kilos but problem is my wife - she is just
perfect now and changing her for lighter one just for flying with
children does not make sense.
MTOW 658 kg: that is for +3,8G with speed 133 knots.
Flying carefully below 700 kgs is OK IMHO.
I have seen two XXL-size englismen flying around w fully equipped Europa
and they had all kind of heavy camping stuff omboard. Claimed no
problems and their MTOW was only 621 kgs.
Flying 1 hour also means your landing weight is about 12 kgs less
because of used fuel.
In my mind controlling C of G is the most important think for safety.
So, they main problem is that children are growing taller every single
day!
I think the comfortable hight limit for the back seat passengers in
Europa is at or below 150 cm /59 inches.
That means western girls=B4s age younger than 12 years - so I have max 4
years time for whole family fying by Europa...no bubble roof window for
the back seat passengers!
Your baby - how old is she/he? She/he will love flying with you. Look at
the attached pic - during those days they were 1 and 4 years young. They
were sleeping but that is only because Cessna flights were so boring.
I remember early days when Europa announced to have two back seats for
children but never heard later.
Raimo OH-XRT
----- Original Message -----
From: craig bastin
To: europa-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, June 21, 2009 2:22 AM
Subject: RE: Europa-List: Fw: Europa 4-seater
Raimo, I think you might have to go on a diet, as your girls get
bigger so you dont go over MTOW :)
I had considered simmilar for my baby
craig
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Raimo Toivio
Sent: Friday, 19 June 2009 7:20 AM
To: europa-list@matronics.com
Subject: Europa-List: Fw: Europa 4-seater
Hi (all those who like flying with a good company!)
I am happy to let you know we had today "Europa 4-seater flight".
That has been my dream since I started building 1999.
Actually, there were my daughters Tuuli 8 years and Merete 5 years.
Me and my wife omboard with full thank TOW was 656 kgs (1443 lbs).
My MTOW is 658 kgs (1450 lbs).
Our CofG was well between limits (almost center because added
Airmaster prop hub 7 kgs (15,4 lbs)).
Everything went WELL and there were not any problems.
Children had fun - Europa is a real family machine!
I am going to have a 4-place intercom next.
My Europa will be permitted (in this country) for 4-seater (actually
2+2), max 60 kgs (132 lbs) on the back seat (with certified seat belts).
So, Europa XS is almost like that French fun machine Dyn Aero=B4s
4s...
Raimo OH-XRT
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| Subject: | Re: Gas strut end sockets |
Frans
I had similar problems with plastic sockets.
The P2 sides ball popped almost always out when opened the door.
I just changed them between (P2 to P1 and P1 to P2) and that made a one minute
trick.
I do not know why. After it/they have never popped out.
Raimo OH-XRT
----- Original Message -----
From: "Frans Veldman" <frans@paardnatuurlijk.nl>
Sent: Sunday, June 21, 2009 12:46 PM
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Gas strut end sockets
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> Jim,
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> > I just installed them and they will not come off the ball no matter
> > what I try. There is a small clip on them that appears to hold the
> > fixture to the ball, but it still won't come off the ball when you
> > remove it. They will probably fix your problem.
>
> Are you talking about the metal end sockets, or the plastic ones? The
> plastic ones I received with my kit were never strong to begin with, but
> time and heat have deformed them enough to allow the ball to pop out
> without any effort.
> If the new plastic ones have a clip then that would suit my needs too,
> otherwise I will just go for the metal ones.
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> --
> Frans Veldman
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| Subject: | Re: Gas strut end sockets |
If anyone needs new plastic ends, I have 2 left from when I changed to meta
l and will ship them to the first address I receive.
Jim Puglise A-283
----- Original Message -----
From: "Raimo Toivio" <raimo.toivio@rwm.fi>
Sent: Tuesday, June 23, 2009 9:42:21 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Gas strut end sockets
Frans
I had similar problems with plastic sockets.
The P2 side=C2=B4s ball popped almost always out when opened the door.
I just changed them between (P2 to P1 and P1 to P2) and that made a one min
ute trick.
I do not know why. After it/they have never popped out.
Raimo OH-XRT
----- Original Message -----
From: "Frans Veldman" <frans@paardnatuurlijk.nl>
Sent: Sunday, June 21, 2009 12:46 PM
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Gas strut end sockets
l>
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> Jim,
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> > I just installed them and they will not come off the ball no matter
> > what I try. =C2-There is a small clip on them that appears to hold th
e
> > fixture to the ball, but it still won't come off the ball when you
> > remove it. =C2-They will probably fix your problem.
>
> Are you talking about the metal end sockets, or the plastic ones? The
> plastic ones I received with my kit were never strong to begin with, but
> time and heat have deformed them enough to allow the ball to pop out
> without any effort.
> If the new plastic ones have a clip then that would suit my needs too,
> otherwise I will just go for the metal ones.
>
> --
> Frans Veldman
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| Subject: | Re: Fw: Europa 4-seater |
Thanks Fred
you can be sure I was very careful because of that precious cargo.
Children like to be somewhere which is like the "nest" and Europa=B4s
backseat is like a nest they say. So no more windows - they would like
to have some entertainment like DVDs and PC-games.
What size round windows do you have thought? Maybe 4 inches with typical
reinforcements?
Raimo OH-XRT
----- Original Message -----
From: Fred Klein
To: europa-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, June 19, 2009 12:30 AM
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Fw: Europa 4-seater
I am happy to let you know we had today "Europa 4-seater flight".
That has been my dream since I started building 1999.
Actually, there were my daughters Tuuli 8 years and Merete 5 years.
Looks like pretty precious cargo Raimo...congratulations.
You make a good case for the pair of round windows aft which I've been
thinkin about...
Fred
A194
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| Subject: | Fw: Europa 4-seater |
How tall is your tallest Raimo? Mine seems already a bit close on height, (49")though
only about 50 lbs.
Regarding the windows, maybe something like this, made for Lancairs...
View at http://www.aircraftersllc.com/projects/legacyWindow/index.htm
Visit - www.EuropaOwners.org
Attachments:
http://www.europaowners.org//zfiles/dscf0111_152.jpg
http://www.europaowners.org//zfiles/dsc00069s_213.jpg
http://www.europaowners.org//zfiles/windownrings_144.jpg
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| Subject: | Re: Fw: Europa 4-seater |
Hi Raimo,
I just can't resist this..... I, like most builders worked really hard to
keep the weight out of the airplane when building. It usually goes like
saving 100 grams here and there and if the builder works really hard at it,
maybe save a few kilo's, or if your lucky,even more.
The easier solution would be to just go on a diet and take 3 or 5 kilograms
out of my ass. Of course I could tell my wife that she needs to contribute
to the cause and take 5 kilograms out of her ass as well, but I don't have a
"Death wish". As you have said, changing for a lighter wife to go flying
doesn't make sense.
Cheers, Paul
do not archive
On Tue, Jun 23, 2009 at 8:34 AM, Raimo Toivio <raimo.toivio@rwm.fi> wrote:
> Craig, you are right!
>
> I am able to take out 10 kilos but problem is my wife - she is just perfect
> now and changing her for lighter one just for flying with children does not
> make sense.
>
>
> Raimo OH-XRT
>
>
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Hi Folks,
For those in the UK .
I have a friend who is after a well built mono, preferably an XS with
a 912S and c/s prop.
If anyone knows of one for sale, email me off list and I'll put you
in touch.
All the best, Paddy
Paddy Clarke
Europa G-KIMM
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| Subject: | Re: DOTH Old Sarum Thu. 25th. |
Paddy
The plane's booked, I'm praying to the weather gods and I'll just
tell the wife I've got an appointment! See you there.
Ray
AT3 G-LGOC
On Mon, 22 Jun 2009 21:02 +0100, "Paddy Clarke"
<paddyclarke@lineone.net> wrote:
Hi Folks,
I feel we are overdue a DOTH - so how about Old Sarum on
Thursday. No voucher I'm afraid, but it's a very pleasant venue.
1200ish.
All the best, Paddy
Paddy Clarke
Europa G-KIMM
References
1. http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List
2. http://forums.matronics.com/
3. http://www.matronics.com/contribution
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Ray
raymondwren@fastmail.co.uk
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| Subject: | RE: Monowheel master cylinder |
John,
Please see the attached photos. Hope they help.
Regards,
Mike
From: John & Paddy Wigney [mailto:johnwigney@windstream.net]
Sent: 21 June 2009 02:24
Subject: Monowheel master cylinder
Hi Mike,
As a follow up to your suggestion re the MDO Aircraft master cylinder, am I
correct that you have installed one of these? If so, I would be most
grateful if you have any installation recommendations and photos. Also any
comments re shipping from France? I had intended to ask Mr. Bastien for
estimated shipping cost to the US via Fedex or UPS.
Cheers, John
Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
06:15:00
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What has anyone used as a pressure gauge to pressurize the fuel regulator (5-6
psi) for doing fuel flow checks on 914
Regards
Paul
G-GIDY
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