---------------------------------------------------------- Europa-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Tue 06/23/09: 10 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 06:26 AM - Re: Fw: Europa 4-seater (Raimo Toivio) 2. 06:40 AM - Re: Gas strut end sockets (Raimo Toivio) 3. 07:13 AM - Re: Gas strut end sockets (jimpuglise@comcast.net) 4. 07:13 AM - Re: Fw: Europa 4-seater (Raimo Toivio) 5. 08:42 AM - Fw: Europa 4-seater (danbish) 6. 10:26 AM - Re: Fw: Europa 4-seater (Paul McAllister) 7. 10:34 AM - Mono Wanted (Paddy Clarke) 8. 10:47 AM - Re: DOTH Old Sarum Thu. 25th. (Raymond Wren) 9. 11:11 AM - Re: Monowheel master cylinder (Mike Parkin) 10. 02:38 PM - fuel flow 914 (europa@pstewart.f2s.com) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 06:26:09 AM PST US From: "Raimo Toivio" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Fw: Europa 4-seater Craig, you are right! I am able to take out 10 kilos but problem is my wife - she is just perfect now and changing her for lighter one just for flying with children does not make sense. MTOW 658 kg: that is for +3,8G with speed 133 knots. Flying carefully below 700 kgs is OK IMHO. I have seen two XXL-size englismen flying around w fully equipped Europa and they had all kind of heavy camping stuff omboard. Claimed no problems and their MTOW was only 621 kgs. Flying 1 hour also means your landing weight is about 12 kgs less because of used fuel. In my mind controlling C of G is the most important think for safety. So, they main problem is that children are growing taller every single day! I think the comfortable hight limit for the back seat passengers in Europa is at or below 150 cm /59 inches. That means western girls=B4s age younger than 12 years - so I have max 4 years time for whole family fying by Europa...no bubble roof window for the back seat passengers! Your baby - how old is she/he? She/he will love flying with you. Look at the attached pic - during those days they were 1 and 4 years young. They were sleeping but that is only because Cessna flights were so boring. I remember early days when Europa announced to have two back seats for children but never heard later. Raimo OH-XRT ----- Original Message ----- From: craig bastin To: europa-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, June 21, 2009 2:22 AM Subject: RE: Europa-List: Fw: Europa 4-seater Raimo, I think you might have to go on a diet, as your girls get bigger so you dont go over MTOW :) I had considered simmilar for my baby craig -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Raimo Toivio Sent: Friday, 19 June 2009 7:20 AM To: europa-list@matronics.com Subject: Europa-List: Fw: Europa 4-seater Hi (all those who like flying with a good company!) I am happy to let you know we had today "Europa 4-seater flight". That has been my dream since I started building 1999. Actually, there were my daughters Tuuli 8 years and Merete 5 years. Me and my wife omboard with full thank TOW was 656 kgs (1443 lbs). My MTOW is 658 kgs (1450 lbs). Our CofG was well between limits (almost center because added Airmaster prop hub 7 kgs (15,4 lbs)). Everything went WELL and there were not any problems. Children had fun - Europa is a real family machine! I am going to have a 4-place intercom next. My Europa will be permitted (in this country) for 4-seater (actually 2+2), max 60 kgs (132 lbs) on the back seat (with certified seat belts). So, Europa XS is almost like that French fun machine Dyn Aero=B4s 4s... Raimo OH-XRT ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 06:40:13 AM PST US From: "Raimo Toivio" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Gas strut end sockets Frans I had similar problems with plastic sockets. The P2 sides ball popped almost always out when opened the door. I just changed them between (P2 to P1 and P1 to P2) and that made a one minute trick. I do not know why. After it/they have never popped out. Raimo OH-XRT ----- Original Message ----- From: "Frans Veldman" Sent: Sunday, June 21, 2009 12:46 PM Subject: Re: Europa-List: Gas strut end sockets > > Jim, > > > I just installed them and they will not come off the ball no matter > > what I try. There is a small clip on them that appears to hold the > > fixture to the ball, but it still won't come off the ball when you > > remove it. They will probably fix your problem. > > Are you talking about the metal end sockets, or the plastic ones? The > plastic ones I received with my kit were never strong to begin with, but > time and heat have deformed them enough to allow the ball to pop out > without any effort. > If the new plastic ones have a clip then that would suit my needs too, > otherwise I will just go for the metal ones. > > -- > Frans Veldman > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 07:13:58 AM PST US From: jimpuglise@comcast.net Subject: Re: Europa-List: Gas strut end sockets If anyone needs new plastic ends, I have 2 left from when I changed to meta l and will ship them to the first address I receive. Jim Puglise A-283 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Raimo Toivio" Sent: Tuesday, June 23, 2009 9:42:21 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: Europa-List: Gas strut end sockets Frans I had similar problems with plastic sockets. The P2 side=C2=B4s ball popped almost always out when opened the door. I just changed them between (P2 to P1 and P1 to P2) and that made a one min ute trick. I do not know why. After it/they have never popped out. Raimo OH-XRT ----- Original Message ----- From: "Frans Veldman" Sent: Sunday, June 21, 2009 12:46 PM Subject: Re: Europa-List: Gas strut end sockets l> > > Jim, > > > I just installed them and they will not come off the ball no matter > > what I try. =C2-There is a small clip on them that appears to hold th e > > fixture to the ball, but it still won't come off the ball when you > > remove it. =C2-They will probably fix your problem. > > Are you talking about the metal end sockets, or the plastic ones? The > plastic ones I received with my kit were never strong to begin with, but > time and heat have deformed them enough to allow the ball to pop out > without any effort. > If the new plastic ones have a clip then that would suit my needs too, > otherwise I will just go for the metal ones. > > -- > Frans Veldman > > > > > > =========== =========== MS - =========== e - =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2--Matt Dralle, List Admin. =========== ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 07:13:58 AM PST US From: "Raimo Toivio" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Fw: Europa 4-seater Thanks Fred you can be sure I was very careful because of that precious cargo. Children like to be somewhere which is like the "nest" and Europa=B4s backseat is like a nest they say. So no more windows - they would like to have some entertainment like DVDs and PC-games. What size round windows do you have thought? Maybe 4 inches with typical reinforcements? Raimo OH-XRT ----- Original Message ----- From: Fred Klein To: europa-list@matronics.com Sent: Friday, June 19, 2009 12:30 AM Subject: Re: Europa-List: Fw: Europa 4-seater I am happy to let you know we had today "Europa 4-seater flight". That has been my dream since I started building 1999. Actually, there were my daughters Tuuli 8 years and Merete 5 years. Looks like pretty precious cargo Raimo...congratulations. You make a good case for the pair of round windows aft which I've been thinkin about... Fred A194 -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 08:42:54 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Fw: Europa 4-seater From: "danbish" How tall is your tallest Raimo? Mine seems already a bit close on height, (49")though only about 50 lbs. Regarding the windows, maybe something like this, made for Lancairs... View at http://www.aircraftersllc.com/projects/legacyWindow/index.htm Visit - www.EuropaOwners.org Attachments: http://www.europaowners.org//zfiles/dscf0111_152.jpg http://www.europaowners.org//zfiles/dsc00069s_213.jpg http://www.europaowners.org//zfiles/windownrings_144.jpg ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 10:26:28 AM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: Fw: Europa 4-seater From: Paul McAllister Hi Raimo, I just can't resist this..... I, like most builders worked really hard to keep the weight out of the airplane when building. It usually goes like saving 100 grams here and there and if the builder works really hard at it, maybe save a few kilo's, or if your lucky,even more. The easier solution would be to just go on a diet and take 3 or 5 kilograms out of my ass. Of course I could tell my wife that she needs to contribute to the cause and take 5 kilograms out of her ass as well, but I don't have a "Death wish". As you have said, changing for a lighter wife to go flying doesn't make sense. Cheers, Paul do not archive On Tue, Jun 23, 2009 at 8:34 AM, Raimo Toivio wrote: > Craig, you are right! > > I am able to take out 10 kilos but problem is my wife - she is just perfect > now and changing her for lighter one just for flying with children does not > make sense. > > > Raimo OH-XRT > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 10:34:29 AM PST US From: Paddy Clarke Subject: Europa-List: Mono Wanted Hi Folks, For those in the UK . I have a friend who is after a well built mono, preferably an XS with a 912S and c/s prop. If anyone knows of one for sale, email me off list and I'll put you in touch. All the best, Paddy Paddy Clarke Europa G-KIMM ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 10:47:05 AM PST US From: "Raymond Wren" Subject: Re: Europa-List: DOTH Old Sarum Thu. 25th. Paddy The plane's booked, I'm praying to the weather gods and I'll just tell the wife I've got an appointment! See you there. Ray AT3 G-LGOC On Mon, 22 Jun 2009 21:02 +0100, "Paddy Clarke" wrote: Hi Folks, I feel we are overdue a DOTH - so how about Old Sarum on Thursday. No voucher I'm afraid, but it's a very pleasant venue. 1200ish. All the best, Paddy Paddy Clarke Europa G-KIMM References 1. http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List 2. http://forums.matronics.com/ 3. http://www.matronics.com/contribution -- Ray raymondwren@fastmail.co.uk ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 11:11:03 AM PST US From: "Mike Parkin" Subject: Europa-List: RE: Monowheel master cylinder John, Please see the attached photos. Hope they help. Regards, Mike From: John & Paddy Wigney [mailto:johnwigney@windstream.net] Sent: 21 June 2009 02:24 Subject: Monowheel master cylinder Hi Mike, As a follow up to your suggestion re the MDO Aircraft master cylinder, am I correct that you have installed one of these? If so, I would be most grateful if you have any installation recommendations and photos. Also any comments re shipping from France? I had intended to ask Mr. Bastien for estimated shipping cost to the US via Fedex or UPS. Cheers, John Checked by AVG - www.avg.com 06:15:00 ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 02:38:09 PM PST US From: europa@pstewart.f2s.com Subject: Europa-List: fuel flow 914 What has anyone used as a pressure gauge to pressurize the fuel regulator (5-6 psi) for doing fuel flow checks on 914 Regards Paul G-GIDY ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message europa-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Europa-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/europa-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/europa-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.