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1. 12:30 AM - Re: The Europa Weight Competition (please do not take seriously) (Marcel Zwakenberg)
2. 03:17 AM - fuel pressure (europa@pstewart.f2s.com)
3. 04:03 AM - Re: fuel pressure (Frans Veldman)
4. 04:03 AM - Re: fuel pressure (h&jeuropa)
5. 09:43 AM - Re: The Europa Weight Competition (please do not take seriously) (Raimo Toivio)
6. 09:43 AM - Re: Re: fuel pressure (europa@pstewart.f2s.com)
7. 01:09 PM - Re: Re: fuel pressure (Frans Veldman)
8. 02:24 PM - Re: fuel pressure (ofamerica.com YERLY)
9. 02:31 PM - Re: Re: fuel pressure (ofamerica.com YERLY)
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Subject: | The Europa Weight Competition (please do not take seriously) |
Hi Frans,
> > Please find and look LAA issue # June - so you will find out what I
mean.
> Where can I find that?
I have it, will bring it along when I come to visit you shortly.
Marcel
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Has anyone used a double banjo bolt on the (914) fuel regulator to provide a
take of for measuring fuel pressure ?
I am currently measuring fuel pressure in the fuel line to the regulator - don't
know if this would be different. The rotax owners site suggests the double banjo
idea.
Any thoughts gratefully received
Regards
Paul Stewart
G-GIDY
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Subject: | Re: fuel pressure |
europa@pstewart.f2s.com wrote:
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> Has anyone used a double banjo bolt on the (914) fuel regulator to provide a
> take of for measuring fuel pressure ?
I have. It is a standard part if you buy the Europa supplied
differential fuel pressure indicator. One side goes to the double banjo,
and the other side to the airbox. You measure the pressure difference
over the airbox and fuel, and this is what you want to measure, because
this is what the carbs are seeing. If you buy the Europa differential
fuel pressure indicator, you will get all required parts.
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Frans Veldman
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Subject: | Re: fuel pressure |
Paul,
That's exactly how ours is setup. Works fine.
Jim & Heather
N241BW
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=249930#249930
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Subject: | Re: The Europa Weight Competition (please do not take seriously) |
Frans
> 9) sounds grazy but I wanted to use money (yes - an el. horizon was more than
Dynon but do not tell to my wife)
Well, I agree with almost every single point, except for this one.
*Well as I wrote - it is grazy - but I did like to make a little treasure - also
concretically.
*Not a good investment but made and make me happy.
*More than ANY painting or ordinary art for example.
*This is my art made by myself - and it is not hanging in the safe.
*It is easy to use money to the plane:
*I give one tip: my register plate OH-XRT on the panel is 24 carat gold (do not
tell anyone).
*That is also a reserve fund for emergency: if I loose money somewhere in a faraway
country,
*I can take it, sell it and get money for one night in a hotell, one good meal
and a full tank.
> My 5 switches are all illegal: two of them have a specific purpose (which is
illegal but fun).
> Two of them have (very illegal - so illegal that I cannot publish so far) plans
for future winters.
> Just one is so far extra. But I promise some day it also will be strightly illegal.
Oww. I envision another contest: what illegal features can you put into
your airplane?
1) Sound! Yell to the neighbours. Or fly low over a crowded street and
emit a machine gun sound and see what happens. Gives a whole new
dimension to flying! The possibilities are endless, and for sure a
source of great fun.
*Correct: in fact I have a siren and a compressor horn. For example when I fly
over my home and give some horn, *my wife knows there he is and he coming soon
home and she will start to make some dinner and maybe some other *fun if I am
lucky.. OK? Also, I never scream "clear prop" - I warn people by shorn. Once
there were about *hundred of reindeers laying just over runway. I could not land
but after low pass with siren they run away. That was *in "Aavahelukka" non-towered
airport in Lappland. Siren is also for burglar alarm and so.
*Frans - American boys do produce gas-operated machine guns with real noise and
flames!
*They are for movies and displays. I was VERY interested but those are unfortunately
too heavy.
*Just imagine: you are doing a fast low pass over main street operating your "machine
gun".
*Your friend is there and he is explodeing some little new year bombs same time
in the waste boxes or so..
*What a spectacle!
2) A fuel dump. When you have to make a forced landing, better get rid
of the fuel first. Probably illegal, but might save your life.
*No but exellent idea. Unfortunately I think it must be legal. Why not? It is just
for aviation safety.
3) A dropping bay. For water balloons (very innocent), paint balloons
(somewhat less innocent) or possibly even less innocent stuff.
*Correct. Thats a plan only so far. Drobbing bombs. Black rubber water bombs. Drobbing
shit. Dropping sweets to *children. I have done it once through Cessnas
window and it was fun. Dropping leaflets and handbills. There is a *nice place
under the stbd side back seat you know (my accu is fore). Everything is there.
Just missing a round hole
*(4") and an openable door (by trimming servo).
But you have still more switches. What am I missing?
*I have illegal lights like 360 degrees white light on the fins top. I call it
"ramp & courtecy light" and that is for *reading map over tailplane during night
or so. I have also blinking red and green high bright leds on the fins sides
*(they have unic history but I cannot tell it here).
> Frans: a little tip for you. Do paint your pedals to black.
> So they disappear nicely.
Have been thinking about that, but because of their nature, paint will
probably wear off quickly at some points, leaving something that looks
very ugly.
*Paint them black and glue some rubber strips over "T" shape. However if you make
a quality paint, wearing will not *be a problem. They are anyway alwaysunder
shadow.
> Please find and look LAA issue # June - so you will find out what I mean.
Where can I find that?
* - Your friend will bring it to you soon!
*Raimo OH-XRT
- flying tomorrow to Visingsj to Europa Aircraft - Nord Fly-in 2009 to Sweden
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Subject: | Re: fuel pressure |
Jim , Franz
Thanks for the replies.
Jim what I'm trying to find out is if there is a difference between the pressure
in the fuel line between fuel pump and regulator (where I'm currently measuring
it) and pressure in the line from regulator to carb (where the banjo would
measure it). I wasn't quite sure how you were saying yours is set up.
Franz - I'll get onto Europa re the banjo - I already have the sensor feeding
into a Blue Mountain EFIS
Regards
Paul
G-GIDY
Quoting "h&jeuropa" <butcher43@att.net>:
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> Paul,
>
> That's exactly how ours is setup. Works fine.
>
> Jim & Heather
> N241BW
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=249930#249930
>
>
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Subject: | Re: fuel pressure |
europa@pstewart.f2s.com wrote:
> Franz - I'll get onto Europa re the banjo - I already have the sensor feeding
> into a Blue Mountain EFIS
If you have a 914, just make sure you use the difference over the airbox
pressure, not the absolute fuel pressure. The absolute fuel pressure is
meaningless if the airbox pressure is the same (netto is zero, so no
fuel will flow to the carbs, despite the absolute fuel pressure).
--
Frans Veldman
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Subject: | Re: fuel pressure |
Do it all the time with the 914s. Lockwood recommends it and your Rotax
parts manual has a breakdown. I have a love hate relationship with fuel
pressure sensors so I won't recommend any for fear of retaliation.
Bud Yerly
Custom Flight
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From: europa@pstewart.f2s.com<mailto:europa@pstewart.f2s.com>
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Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2009 6:13 AM
Subject: Europa-List: fuel pressure
europa@pstewart.f2s.com<mailto:europa@pstewart.f2s.com>
Has anyone used a double banjo bolt on the (914) fuel regulator to
provide a
take of for measuring fuel pressure ?
I am currently measuring fuel pressure in the fuel line to the
regulator - don't
know if this would be different. The rotax owners site suggests the
double banjo
idea.
Any thoughts gratefully received
Regards
Paul Stewart
G-GIDY
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Subject: | Re: fuel pressure |
Not to differ Frans, but to comment.
The differential is absolutely necessary, but I do the math to check MP
vs Fuel Pressure, it keeps me alert. I don't fly above 10,000 so it
rarely matters in my type flying. I measure the pressure off the
regulator to watch my fuel filter health. A drop in fuel pressure
indicates a fuel filter in need of servicing. Learned that the hard way
in test flying.
It would be the department of redundant redundancy to measure both
differential and MP and fuel manifold pressures, but wouldn't it be
neat.
Just my thoughts.
Bud Yerly
Custom Flight
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From: Frans Veldman<mailto:frans@paardnatuurlijk.nl>
To: europa-list@matronics.com<mailto:europa-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2009 4:05 PM
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: fuel pressure
<frans@paardnatuurlijk.nl<mailto:frans@paardnatuurlijk.nl>>
europa@pstewart.f2s.com<mailto:europa@pstewart.f2s.com> wrote:
> Franz - I'll get onto Europa re the banjo - I already have the
sensor feeding
> into a Blue Mountain EFIS
If you have a 914, just make sure you use the difference over the
airbox
pressure, not the absolute fuel pressure. The absolute fuel pressure
is
meaningless if the airbox pressure is the same (netto is zero, so no
fuel will flow to the carbs, despite the absolute fuel pressure).
--
Frans Veldman
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