---------------------------------------------------------- Europa-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 06/25/09: 9 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 12:30 AM - Re: The Europa Weight Competition (please do not take seriously) (Marcel Zwakenberg) 2. 03:17 AM - fuel pressure (europa@pstewart.f2s.com) 3. 04:03 AM - Re: fuel pressure (Frans Veldman) 4. 04:03 AM - Re: fuel pressure (h&jeuropa) 5. 09:43 AM - Re: The Europa Weight Competition (please do not take seriously) (Raimo Toivio) 6. 09:43 AM - Re: Re: fuel pressure (europa@pstewart.f2s.com) 7. 01:09 PM - Re: Re: fuel pressure (Frans Veldman) 8. 02:24 PM - Re: fuel pressure (ofamerica.com YERLY) 9. 02:31 PM - Re: Re: fuel pressure (ofamerica.com YERLY) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 12:30:52 AM PST US Subject: RE: Europa-List: The Europa Weight Competition (please do not take seriously) From: "Marcel Zwakenberg" Hi Frans, > > Please find and look LAA issue # June - so you will find out what I mean. > Where can I find that? I have it, will bring it along when I come to visit you shortly. Marcel ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 03:17:27 AM PST US From: europa@pstewart.f2s.com Subject: Europa-List: fuel pressure Has anyone used a double banjo bolt on the (914) fuel regulator to provide a take of for measuring fuel pressure ? I am currently measuring fuel pressure in the fuel line to the regulator - don't know if this would be different. The rotax owners site suggests the double banjo idea. Any thoughts gratefully received Regards Paul Stewart G-GIDY ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 04:03:43 AM PST US From: Frans Veldman Subject: Re: Europa-List: fuel pressure europa@pstewart.f2s.com wrote: > > Has anyone used a double banjo bolt on the (914) fuel regulator to provide a > take of for measuring fuel pressure ? I have. It is a standard part if you buy the Europa supplied differential fuel pressure indicator. One side goes to the double banjo, and the other side to the airbox. You measure the pressure difference over the airbox and fuel, and this is what you want to measure, because this is what the carbs are seeing. If you buy the Europa differential fuel pressure indicator, you will get all required parts. -- Frans Veldman ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 04:03:56 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: fuel pressure From: "h&jeuropa" Paul, That's exactly how ours is setup. Works fine. Jim & Heather N241BW Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=249930#249930 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 09:43:01 AM PST US From: "Raimo Toivio" Subject: Re: Europa-List: The Europa Weight Competition (please do not take seriously) Frans > 9) sounds grazy but I wanted to use money (yes - an el. horizon was more than Dynon but do not tell to my wife) Well, I agree with almost every single point, except for this one. *Well as I wrote - it is grazy - but I did like to make a little treasure - also concretically. *Not a good investment but made and make me happy. *More than ANY painting or ordinary art for example. *This is my art made by myself - and it is not hanging in the safe. *It is easy to use money to the plane: *I give one tip: my register plate OH-XRT on the panel is 24 carat gold (do not tell anyone). *That is also a reserve fund for emergency: if I loose money somewhere in a faraway country, *I can take it, sell it and get money for one night in a hotell, one good meal and a full tank. > My 5 switches are all illegal: two of them have a specific purpose (which is illegal but fun). > Two of them have (very illegal - so illegal that I cannot publish so far) plans for future winters. > Just one is so far extra. But I promise some day it also will be strightly illegal. Oww. I envision another contest: what illegal features can you put into your airplane? 1) Sound! Yell to the neighbours. Or fly low over a crowded street and emit a machine gun sound and see what happens. Gives a whole new dimension to flying! The possibilities are endless, and for sure a source of great fun. *Correct: in fact I have a siren and a compressor horn. For example when I fly over my home and give some horn, *my wife knows there he is and he coming soon home and she will start to make some dinner and maybe some other *fun if I am lucky.. OK? Also, I never scream "clear prop" - I warn people by shorn. Once there were about *hundred of reindeers laying just over runway. I could not land but after low pass with siren they run away. That was *in "Aavahelukka" non-towered airport in Lappland. Siren is also for burglar alarm and so. *Frans - American boys do produce gas-operated machine guns with real noise and flames! *They are for movies and displays. I was VERY interested but those are unfortunately too heavy. *Just imagine: you are doing a fast low pass over main street operating your "machine gun". *Your friend is there and he is explodeing some little new year bombs same time in the waste boxes or so.. *What a spectacle! 2) A fuel dump. When you have to make a forced landing, better get rid of the fuel first. Probably illegal, but might save your life. *No but exellent idea. Unfortunately I think it must be legal. Why not? It is just for aviation safety. 3) A dropping bay. For water balloons (very innocent), paint balloons (somewhat less innocent) or possibly even less innocent stuff. *Correct. Thats a plan only so far. Drobbing bombs. Black rubber water bombs. Drobbing shit. Dropping sweets to *children. I have done it once through Cessnas window and it was fun. Dropping leaflets and handbills. There is a *nice place under the stbd side back seat you know (my accu is fore). Everything is there. Just missing a round hole *(4") and an openable door (by trimming servo). But you have still more switches. What am I missing? *I have illegal lights like 360 degrees white light on the fins top. I call it "ramp & courtecy light" and that is for *reading map over tailplane during night or so. I have also blinking red and green high bright leds on the fins sides *(they have unic history but I cannot tell it here). > Frans: a little tip for you. Do paint your pedals to black. > So they disappear nicely. Have been thinking about that, but because of their nature, paint will probably wear off quickly at some points, leaving something that looks very ugly. *Paint them black and glue some rubber strips over "T" shape. However if you make a quality paint, wearing will not *be a problem. They are anyway alwaysunder shadow. > Please find and look LAA issue # June - so you will find out what I mean. Where can I find that? * - Your friend will bring it to you soon! *Raimo OH-XRT - flying tomorrow to Visingsj to Europa Aircraft - Nord Fly-in 2009 to Sweden ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 09:43:01 AM PST US From: europa@pstewart.f2s.com Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: fuel pressure Jim , Franz Thanks for the replies. Jim what I'm trying to find out is if there is a difference between the pressure in the fuel line between fuel pump and regulator (where I'm currently measuring it) and pressure in the line from regulator to carb (where the banjo would measure it). I wasn't quite sure how you were saying yours is set up. Franz - I'll get onto Europa re the banjo - I already have the sensor feeding into a Blue Mountain EFIS Regards Paul G-GIDY Quoting "h&jeuropa" : > > Paul, > > That's exactly how ours is setup. Works fine. > > Jim & Heather > N241BW > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=249930#249930 > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 01:09:11 PM PST US From: Frans Veldman Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: fuel pressure europa@pstewart.f2s.com wrote: > Franz - I'll get onto Europa re the banjo - I already have the sensor feeding > into a Blue Mountain EFIS If you have a 914, just make sure you use the difference over the airbox pressure, not the absolute fuel pressure. The absolute fuel pressure is meaningless if the airbox pressure is the same (netto is zero, so no fuel will flow to the carbs, despite the absolute fuel pressure). -- Frans Veldman ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 02:24:01 PM PST US From: "ofamerica.com YERLY" Subject: Re: Europa-List: fuel pressure Do it all the time with the 914s. Lockwood recommends it and your Rotax parts manual has a breakdown. I have a love hate relationship with fuel pressure sensors so I won't recommend any for fear of retaliation. Bud Yerly Custom Flight ----- Original Message ----- From: europa@pstewart.f2s.com To: europa-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2009 6:13 AM Subject: Europa-List: fuel pressure europa@pstewart.f2s.com Has anyone used a double banjo bolt on the (914) fuel regulator to provide a take of for measuring fuel pressure ? I am currently measuring fuel pressure in the fuel line to the regulator - don't know if this would be different. The rotax owners site suggests the double banjo idea. Any thoughts gratefully received Regards Paul Stewart G-GIDY http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 02:31:16 PM PST US From: "ofamerica.com YERLY" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: fuel pressure Not to differ Frans, but to comment. The differential is absolutely necessary, but I do the math to check MP vs Fuel Pressure, it keeps me alert. I don't fly above 10,000 so it rarely matters in my type flying. I measure the pressure off the regulator to watch my fuel filter health. A drop in fuel pressure indicates a fuel filter in need of servicing. Learned that the hard way in test flying. It would be the department of redundant redundancy to measure both differential and MP and fuel manifold pressures, but wouldn't it be neat. Just my thoughts. Bud Yerly Custom Flight ----- Original Message ----- From: Frans Veldman To: europa-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2009 4:05 PM Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: fuel pressure > europa@pstewart.f2s.com wrote: > Franz - I'll get onto Europa re the banjo - I already have the sensor feeding > into a Blue Mountain EFIS If you have a 914, just make sure you use the difference over the airbox pressure, not the absolute fuel pressure. The absolute fuel pressure is meaningless if the airbox pressure is the same (netto is zero, so no fuel will flow to the carbs, despite the absolute fuel pressure). -- Frans Veldman http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message europa-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Europa-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/europa-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/europa-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.