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1. 01:40 AM - =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Re=3A__Europa-List=3A_Landing_gear_?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?frame? (Carl Pattinson)
2. 02:05 AM - Europa - folding bikes (Carl Pattinson)
3. 06:55 AM - Re: Europa - folding bikes (Paul McAllister)
4. 07:41 AM - Re: Europa - folding bikes (Karl Heindl)
5. 09:09 AM - Re: Landing gear frame (Duncan & Ami McFadyean)
6. 10:21 AM - NACA duct and overhear vents (Rick Stockton)
7. 11:10 AM - Re: Europa - folding bikes (david miller)
8. 11:21 AM - Fuel Smell, Gone? (david miller)
9. 12:40 PM - Re: NACA duct and overhear vents (Fred Klein)
10. 04:20 PM - Re: Re: Landing gear frame (Greg Fuchs)
11. 04:36 PM - Re: Landing gear frame (Greg Fuchs)
12. 10:14 PM - Re: Europa - folding bikes (RoddyEuropa@aol.com)
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| Subject: | =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Re=3A__Europa-List=3A_Landing_gear_?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?frame? |
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Hammerite sticks to just about anything or alternately Waxoyl (or similar)
will keep steel parts free from corrosion.
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From: Greg Fuchs
To: europa-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, June 27, 2009 6:46 AM
Subject: Europa-List: Landing gear frame
Europa Listers,
I have found some corrosion and rust in a few areas of my landing gear
frame, so I will have to deal with that.
My first consideration is powder coating. It would be nice to powder coat
over the gold-colored corrosion protection that is there, but based on
previous listings, I may need to get down to bare metal to get it to stick.
If I simply scuff-sanded the frame, will anything stick to it? If anyone
has painted or powder-coated over the original corrosion protection, and had
results (negative or positive), let me know.
Thanks in advance,
Greg Fuchs
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| Subject: | Europa - folding bikes |
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I am considering buying a folding bike to carry in our Europa and wondered
if any owners had experience of this. Please note we have the old style non
extended baggage bay.
I have just changed jobs recently and my companys head office is about a 150
mile drive away. I only have to visit occasionally but I thought it might be
fun to drop in by air - 70 nautical miles from our local airfield Bicester.
Problem is the nearest airfield at the other end, Earls Colne is 5 miles
from the company. If I had a small folding bike I could ride there (just me,
no passenger).
Question is how easy is it to get a folding bike into the aircraft
(passenger seat or baggage bay) and if so what would be the best size/ make.
Any advice appreciated.
Carl Pattinson
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| Subject: | Re: Europa - folding bikes |
Hi Carl,
I purchased a pair of Dahon folding bikes in 2003 and they are excellent.
The frame is aluminum with 20" wheels and the fold / unfold operation is
simple and fast. The all up weight is 24lbs each. The down side is that
they cost a lot, over $400 US, and that was when the dollar was actually
worth something with lower commodity prices.
The new style has a different frame and comes in at 22 lbs. Take a look at
http://www.dahon.com/us/muuno.htm I have do idea at the cost.
I have an XS and the two bikes will fit in laying down, I am fairly certain
that you could fit one bike standing up in a classic baggage bay.
Paul
On Sat, Jun 27, 2009 at 4:00 AM, Carl Pattinson <carl@flyers.freeserve.co.uk
> wrote:
> carl@flyers.freeserve.co.uk>
>
> I am considering buying a folding bike to carry in our Europa and wondered
> if any owners had experience of this. Please note we have the old style non
> extended baggage bay
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| Subject: | Europa - folding bikes |
Carl=2C
Your best bet might be a Bickerton=2C as it has a nice ride (my daughter ha
s one)=2C and your trip is 5 miles x 2. But when you consider the cost and
the number of times you would acually be using it=2C you are probably far b
etter off to take taxis.
I bought a perfectly good titanium bike from Walmart for about 150 dollars.
It weighs 21 pounds.
I tried to use it at Oshkosh=2C where it would have been ideal=2C but it is
forbidden to use bikes there.
I assume it's the same at Sun'n Fun. So it was a complete waste of money.
Karl
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Europa - folding bikes
From: paul.the.aviator@gmail.com
Hi Carl=2C
I purchased a pair of Dahon folding bikes in 2003 and they are excellent. T
he frame is aluminum with 20" wheels and the fold / unfold operation is sim
ple and fast. The all up weight is 24lbs each. The down side is that they
cost a lot=2C over $400 US=2C and that was when the dollar was actually w
orth something with lower commodity prices.
The new style has a different frame and comes in at 22 lbs. Take a look at
http://www.dahon.com/us/muuno.htm I have do idea at the cost.
I have an XS and the two bikes will fit in laying down=2C I am fairly cert
ain that you could fit one bike standing up in a classic baggage bay.
Paul
On Sat=2C Jun 27=2C 2009 at 4:00 AM=2C Carl Pattinson <carl@flyers.freeserv
e.co.uk> wrote:
co.uk>
I am considering buying a folding bike to carry in our Europa and wondered
if any owners had experience of this. Please note we have the old style non
extended baggage bay
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| Subject: | Re: Landing gear frame |
Powder coating looks nice but is poor at corrosion protection, commonly
because of inadequate preparation.
For best protection, copy the way that steel bridges etc are repainted;
which is not an activity that wants to be repeated often.
For this , epoxy-based primers are applied to clean, freshly abraded
steel (usually grit blasted) at ambient humidity of <50%. Better still
is an epoxy chromate primer eg the Polyfiber stuff. I used this on
Kitfox weldments 20 years ago and there is no corrosion or paint
lifting. Meanwhile, a nearby later Mark 4 of half the age needs its
fabric stripping so that the flaking powder coated finish can be
replaced; presuming that the corrosion under that is not too serious as
to write-off the a/c.
Duncan McF
do not archive
its all been said before.
----- Original Message -----
From: Greg Fuchs
To: europa-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, June 27, 2009 6:46 AM
Subject: Europa-List: Landing gear frame
Europa Listers,
I have found some corrosion and rust in a few areas of my landing gear
frame, so I will have to deal with that.
My first consideration is powder coating. It would be nice to powder
coat over the gold-colored corrosion protection that is there, but based
on previous listings, I may need to get down to bare metal to get it to
stick.
If I simply scuff-sanded the frame, will anything stick to it? If
anyone has painted or powder-coated over the original corrosion
protection, and had results (negative or positive), let me know.
Thanks in advance,
Greg Fuchs
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| Subject: | NACA duct and overhear vents |
I'm trying to figure out the best place to place my rear NACA duct for the
overhead ventation system.- N55XL has it behind the rear bulkhead and the
duct system requires a lot of work in getting to it.- I'd like to see if
somebody has a simple solation.
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| Subject: | Re: Europa - folding bikes |
I've got a wal-mart bike, like Karl's, but mine has a steel frame and
comes in at about 28lbs.
If I did it again I would get one smaller, lighter, and also of
course much more expensive.
As it is it's a bit of a bother and I've only used it a couple of
times, here it is much easier to use the airport bikes or airport
car, if available,
or take a taxi.
Dave C-FBZI
do not archive
On 27-Jun-09, at 5:00 AM, Carl Pattinson wrote:
> <carl@flyers.freeserve.co.uk>
>
> I am considering buying a folding bike to carry in our Europa and
> wondered if any owners had experience of this. Please note we have
> the old style non extended baggage bay.
>
> I have just changed jobs recently and my companys head office is
> about a 150 mile drive away. I only have to visit occasionally but
> I thought it might be fun to drop in by air - 70 nautical miles
> from our local airfield Bicester. Problem is the nearest airfield
> at the other end, Earls Colne is 5 miles from the company. If I had
> a small folding bike I could ride there (just me, no passenger).
>
> Question is how easy is it to get a folding bike into the aircraft
> (passenger seat or baggage bay) and if so what would be the best
> size/ make.
>
> Any advice appreciated.
>
> Carl Pattinson
> G-LABS
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| Subject: | Fuel Smell, Gone? |
I've been searching for the source of an elusive whiff of autogas
that normally occurs about 20 minutes or so into the flight.
No trace of any leaks can be found, however I've suspected the
venting system, as when I had an unwashed plane, a trail in the dust
led from the vent, along the port side of the fuselage, under the
tail and into the slot for the trim tab/anti servo arm.
Seemed too unlikely to be the source of a smell in the cockpit,
however I just completed the fuel venting mod back into the tank and
today
1.5 hours in hot bumpy conditions, with a full tank, produced not a
trace of a smell.
I'm probably being to optimistic, too soon, but here's hoping!
Dave C-FBZI
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| Subject: | Re: NACA duct and overhear vents |
On Jun 27, 2009, at 10:17 AM, Rick Stockton wrote:
> I'm trying to figure out the best place to place my rear NACA duct
> for the overhead ventation system. N55XL has it behind the rear
> bulkhead and the duct system requires a lot of work in getting to
> it. I'd like to see if somebody has a simple solation.
Rick...John Wigney has a simple and straightforward solution...
John? How 'bout some pixs?
Fred
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| Subject: | Re: Europa-List: Landing gear frame |
Thanks Carl,
It looks like Hammerite might be an easy solution while being able to be
painted right over rust. If it sticks to the corrosion protection that is
there already, it would really be a treat.
Regards,
Greg
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Sent: Saturday, June 27, 2009 1:36 AM
Subject: Europa-List: Re: Europa-List: Landing gear frame
Hammerite sticks to just about anything or alternately Waxoyl (or similar)
will keep steel parts free from corrosion.
----- Original Message -----
From: Greg <mailto:gregoryf.flyboy@comcast.net> Fuchs
Sent: Saturday, June 27, 2009 6:46 AM
Subject: Europa-List: Landing gear frame
Europa Listers,
I have found some corrosion and rust in a few areas of my landing gear
frame, so I will have to deal with that.
My first consideration is powder coating. It would be nice to powder coat
over the gold-colored corrosion protection that is there, but based on
previous listings, I may need to get down to bare metal to get it to stick.
If I simply scuff-sanded the frame, will anything stick to it? If anyone has
painted or powder-coated over the original corrosion protection, and had
results (negative or positive), let me know.
Thanks in advance,
Greg Fuchs
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| Subject: | Landing gear frame |
Thanks for the ideas, Duncan.
It looks like the epoxy based primers will need the same surface preparation
as the powder coating.
Epoxy chromate primer does seem to be Cadillac.
I hope to not need Cadillac, I think something simple but effective is in
the thought process -at least right now.
If I can find something that doesn't require sand-blasting the whole part,
that would be good.
its all been said before.
Yes, I think I have been too lazy to search hard enough. :0
Thanks for the help,
Greg
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[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Duncan & Ami
McFadyean
Sent: Saturday, June 27, 2009 9:06 AM
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Landing gear frame
Powder coating looks nice but is poor at corrosion protection, commonly
because of inadequate preparation.
For best protection, copy the way that steel bridges etc are repainted;
which is not an activity that wants to be repeated often.
For this , epoxy-based primers are applied to clean, freshly abraded steel
(usually grit blasted) at ambient humidity of <50%. Better still is an epoxy
chromate primer eg the Polyfiber stuff. I used this on Kitfox weldments 20
years ago and there is no corrosion or paint lifting. Meanwhile, a nearby
later Mark 4 of half the age needs its fabric stripping so that the flaking
powder coated finish can be replaced; presuming that the corrosion under
that is not too serious as to write-off the a/c.
Duncan McF
do not archive
its all been said before.
----- Original Message -----
From: Greg <mailto:gregoryf.flyboy@comcast.net> Fuchs
Sent: Saturday, June 27, 2009 6:46 AM
Subject: Europa-List: Landing gear frame
Europa Listers,
I have found some corrosion and rust in a few areas of my landing gear
frame, so I will have to deal with that.
My first consideration is powder coating. It would be nice to powder coat
over the gold-colored corrosion protection that is there, but based on
previous listings, I may need to get down to bare metal to get it to stick.
If I simply scuff-sanded the frame, will anything stick to it? If anyone has
painted or powder-coated over the original corrosion protection, and had
results (negative or positive), let me know.
Thanks in advance,
Greg Fuchs
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| Subject: | Re: Europa - folding bikes |
I think in this area you very much get what you pay for. I had a cheap eba
y
folding bike and you could get it in the plane, with some difficulty, but
it was thoroughly unpleasant to ride. I now have a Brompton and I think
it
is brilliant - marvel of design and engineering, light, very easy to ride
and fits very easily in the back. But at a price (I think about =A3500).
Roddy Kesterton
#220
PS Carl - happy to show you if you are in the area - home airfield
Andrewsfield is close by to Earl's Colne.
In a message dated 27/06/2009 10:05:30 GMT Daylight Time,
carl@flyers.freeserve.co.uk writes:
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Carl Pattinson"
<carl@flyers.freeserve.co.uk>
I am considering buying a folding bike to carry in our Europa and wondere
d
if any owners had experience of this. Please note we have the old style
non
extended baggage bay.
I have just changed jobs recently and my companys head office is about a
150
mile drive away. I only have to visit occasionally but I thought it might
be
fun to drop in by air - 70 nautical miles from our local airfield
Bicester.
Problem is the nearest airfield at the other end, Earls Colne is 5 miles
from the company. If I had a small folding bike I could ride there (just
me,
no passenger).
Question is how easy is it to get a folding bike into the aircraft
(passenger seat or baggage bay) and if so what would be the best size/
make.
Any advice appreciated.
Carl Pattinson
G-LABS
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