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1. 04:12 AM - Re: ASN Aircraft accident 29-JUN-2009 Europa XS C-FOGJ (Peter Zutrauen)
2. 06:53 AM - Re: Fuel system - More Questions! (TheSchultzFamily)
3. 01:55 PM - Re: ASN Aircraft accident 29-JUN-2009 Europa XS C-FOGJ (JEFF ROBERTS)
4. 04:51 PM - Re: Fuel system - More Questions! (ofamerica.com YERLY)
5. 06:13 PM - Re: ASN Aircraft accident 29-JUN-2009 Europa XS C-FOGJ (Karl Heindl)
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| Subject: | Re: ASN Aircraft accident 29-JUN-2009 Europa XS C-FOGJ |
I'm shocked and deeply saddened to hear of Janic's accident and passing. My
thoughts are with his wife and family.
I had the privilege of meeting Janic a couple of years ago when he
graciously offered to allow me to hitch-hike my missing stage one bits
(robbed from me by Keith of the original Europa) onto his firewall-forward
shipment from Europa2004.
To me he came across as a very friendly chap, and a hard worker with a
passion for the Europa - I was so hoping to fly along side him one day when
my Europa bits finally made it into formation.
Respectful regards,
Pete
A239
Ottawa, Canada
On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 4:01 PM, Mike Parkin <
mikenjulie.parkin@btinternet.com> wrote:
> Details here.
>
>
> http://aviation-safety.net/wikibase/wiki.php?id=66041
>
>
> regards,
>
>
> MP
>
> *
>
> *
>
>
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| Subject: | Fuel system - More Questions! |
Bud,
The reading was taken off the double banjo that feeds the passenger side
carb. This as done when the engine seemed to be running correctly.
Being at sea level and with about a 29.8pressure day I figured these did not
sound too bad. I do have the original differential pressure sender. I will
fire it up at work on Monday and see if it is reading correctly before
installing it or ordering a new one. Aircraft spruce is very proud of that
little sender now days.
_____
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Sent: Thursday, July 02, 2009 11:11 PM
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Fuel system - More Questions!
Rich,
I'll run mine or Bakers tomorrow, weather permitting, and see what my fuel
pressure does. If memory serves, I start at 4 psi at idle and at full
throttle still see about 4 in line, and about 10.0 off the regulator (my
sender reads a little low). My gut feel is that regulated fuel pressure is
going up with manifold pressure as it should, but if line pressure is going
up to the regulator, that does not pass the common sense test. On ground
tests, the fuel pressure goes up as the resistance goes up.
Example:
When I set up a fuel system, I disconnect the feed and pressure gauge from
the engine fuel regulator and pump fuel through the lines past a direct
reading pressure gauge (Tee'd to the aircrafts sender) and through a valve
to a gas can. This allows me to filter the system, verify flow rates (by
timing) and by closing off the valve, I can verify the fuel pressure, the
fuel flow decreases and the pressure goes up well above 7 psi as I check
flows and verify pressure readings. Note: These readings are done before
the regulator.
11.6 psi indicates a strong reduction in flow if reading prior to the
regulator, however if you are reading from the regulator, the regulated
pressure at full power 39.5 MP is about 5 psi boost, and 11.6 psi fuel
pressure is a tad high.
>From Page 9.2.3 of the Rotax maintenance manual, Fuel pressure =Airbox
pressure + 250hPa At takeoff performance the fuel pressure is going to be
about 700hPa or around . 7bar or about 10.15 psi
I'll talk to you after testing.
The shop took a lightning strike and power surge, so I have only one shop
phone left and it blew my shop computer, even with the surge protectors.
Pretty spectacular really. Snap crackle pop all in one. I will be slow at
answering emails for a few more days.
Bud
----- Original Message -----
From: TheSchultzFamily <mailto:Theschultzfamily@comcast.net>
Sent: Thursday, July 02, 2009 9:08 PM
Subject: RE: Europa-List: Fuel system - More Questions!
Can anyone verify these "non" differential fuel pressure readings?
MP = 14.3 Fuel = 4.6
MP - 14 Fuel = 4.9
MP = 20 Fuel = 4.9
MP = 25 Fuel = 6.4
MP = 30 Fuel = 9.1
MP = 39.5 Fuel = 11.6
Engine seems to be running fine with these but earlier in the process the
engine was once again surging. Everyone that hears the surging thinks I have
a fuel problem????
Monitoring and testing continues...
Rich Schultz
N262AE
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| Subject: | Re: ASN Aircraft accident 29-JUN-2009 Europa XS C-FOGJ |
Of course we don't know and need to wait till the official
investigation is complete. However on the outside looking in and with
some history we can all be reminded. If you lose an engine on take off,
put the nose down and take the best spot ahead. Do not ever try and
turn the aircraft around in slow flight.
With the witness's account it could be what happened here but we need
to save the speculation for later. I for one try and stay very alert on
climb out and always try and plan for the motor going quiet.
I'm saddened as well will prayed for his family.
Stay Alert!!!
Jeff R.
A258 - N128LJ / Gold Rush 190 hours and climbing slowly.
On Jul 3, 2009, at 6:05 AM, Peter Zutrauen wrote:
> I'm shocked and deeply saddened to hear of Janic's accident and
> passing. My thoughts are with his wife and family.
>
> I had the privilege of meeting Janic a couple of years ago when he
> graciously offered to allow me to hitch-hike my missing stage one bits
> (robbed from me by Keith of the original Europa) onto his
> firewall-forward shipment from Europa2004.
>
> To me he came across as a very friendly chap, and a hard worker with a
> passion for the Europa - I was so hoping to fly along side him one day
> when my Europa bits finally made it into formation.
>
> Respectful regards,
> Pete
> A239
> Ottawa, Canada
>
> On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 4:01 PM, Mike Parkin
> <mikenjulie.parkin@btinternet.com> wrote:
>> Details here.
>>
>>
>>
>> http://aviation-safety.net/wikibase/wiki.php?id=66041
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> regards,
>>
>>
>>
>> MP
>>
>> arget="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List
>> tp://forums.matronics.com
>> _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel system - More Questions! |
Rich,
Like I said, just a tad high. I'm going to the airport tomorrow again.
Rained out today and had to clean up the shop for the UCF senior design
team coming in and pushing to get another plane finished up. The boys
seem to be going two steps forward and one back on projects, and we're
running a bit behind....
Hope the sender works OK. That in conjunction with the data download
from the computer and other readings of pressure etc. will tell the
story.
Bud
----- Original Message -----
From: TheSchultzFamily<mailto:Theschultzfamily@comcast.net>
To: europa-list@matronics.com<mailto:europa-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Friday, July 03, 2009 9:52 AM
Subject: RE: Europa-List: Fuel system - More Questions!
Bud,
The reading was taken off the double banjo that feeds the passenger
side carb. This as done when the engine seemed to be running correctly.
Being at sea level and with about a 29.8pressure day I figured these
did not sound too bad. I do have the original differential pressure
sender. I will fire it up at work on Monday and see if it is reading
correctly before installing it or ordering a new one. Aircraft spruce is
very proud of that little sender now days.
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From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
ofamerica.com YERLY
Sent: Thursday, July 02, 2009 11:11 PM
To: europa-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Fuel system - More Questions!
Rich,
I'll run mine or Bakers tomorrow, weather permitting, and see what my
fuel pressure does. If memory serves, I start at 4 psi at idle and at
full throttle still see about 4 in line, and about 10.0 off the
regulator (my sender reads a little low). My gut feel is that regulated
fuel pressure is going up with manifold pressure as it should, but if
line pressure is going up to the regulator, that does not pass the
common sense test. On ground tests, the fuel pressure goes up as the
resistance goes up.
Example:
When I set up a fuel system, I disconnect the feed and pressure gauge
from the engine fuel regulator and pump fuel through the lines past a
direct reading pressure gauge (Tee'd to the aircrafts sender) and
through a valve to a gas can. This allows me to filter the system,
verify flow rates (by timing) and by closing off the valve, I can verify
the fuel pressure, the fuel flow decreases and the pressure goes up well
above 7 psi as I check flows and verify pressure readings. Note: These
readings are done before the regulator.
11.6 psi indicates a strong reduction in flow if reading prior to the
regulator, however if you are reading from the regulator, the regulated
pressure at full power 39.5 MP is about 5 psi boost, and 11.6 psi fuel
pressure is a tad high.
From Page 9.2.3 of the Rotax maintenance manual, Fuel pressure
=Airbox pressure + 250hPa At takeoff performance the fuel pressure is
going to be about 700hPa or around . 7bar or about 10.15 psi
I'll talk to you after testing.
The shop took a lightning strike and power surge, so I have only one
shop phone left and it blew my shop computer, even with the surge
protectors. Pretty spectacular really. Snap crackle pop all in one. I
will be slow at answering emails for a few more days.
Bud
----- Original Message -----
From: TheSchultzFamily<mailto:Theschultzfamily@comcast.net>
To: europa-list@matronics.com<mailto:europa-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Thursday, July 02, 2009 9:08 PM
Subject: RE: Europa-List: Fuel system - More Questions!
Can anyone verify these "non" differential fuel pressure readings?
MP = 14.3 Fuel = 4.6
MP - 14 Fuel = 4.9
MP = 20 Fuel = 4.9
MP = 25 Fuel = 6.4
MP = 30 Fuel = 9.1
MP = 39.5 Fuel = 11.6
Engine seems to be running fine with these but earlier in the
process the engine was once again surging. Everyone that hears the
surging thinks I have a fuel problem????
Monitoring and testing continues...
Rich Schultz
N262AE
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List">http://www.matron
href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.comhref="h
ttp://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c
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| Subject: | ASN Aircraft accident 29-JUN-2009 Europa XS C-FOGJ |
Jeff=2C
It probaby wasn't that simple. As I heard it=2C the aircraft veered off to
one side and there was no attempt to correct the attitude. Impact was with
the engine running.
Karl
> From: jeff@rmmm.net
> Subject: Re: Europa-List: ASN Aircraft accident 29-JUN-2009 Europa XS C-F
OGJ
> Date: Fri=2C 3 Jul 2009 15:53:28 -0500
> To: europa-list@matronics.com
>
>
> Of course we don't know and need to wait till the official
> investigation is complete. However on the outside looking in and with
> some history we can all be reminded. If you lose an engine on take off=2C
> put the nose down and take the best spot ahead. Do not ever try and
> turn the aircraft around in slow flight.
> With the witness's account it could be what happened here but we need
> to save the speculation for later. I for one try and stay very alert on
> climb out and always try and plan for the motor going quiet.
> I'm saddened as well will prayed for his family.
>
> Stay Alert!!!
>
> Jeff R.
> A258 - N128LJ / Gold Rush 190 hours and climbing slowly.
>
>
>
> On Jul 3=2C 2009=2C at 6:05 AM=2C Peter Zutrauen wrote:
>
> > I'm shocked and deeply saddened to hear of Janic's accident and
> > passing. My thoughts are with his wife and family.
> >
> > I had the privilege of meeting Janic a couple of years ago when he
> > graciously offered to allow me to hitch-hike my missing stage one bits
> > (robbed from me by Keith of the original Europa) onto his
> > firewall-forward shipment from Europa2004.
> >
> > To me he came across as a very friendly chap=2C and a hard worker with
a
> > passion for the Europa - I was so hoping to fly along side him one day
> > when my Europa bits finally made it into formation.
> >
> > Respectful regards=2C
> > Pete
> > A239
> > Ottawa=2C Canada
> >
> > On Tue=2C Jun 30=2C 2009 at 4:01 PM=2C Mike Parkin
> > <mikenjulie.parkin@btinternet.com> wrote:
> >> Details here.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> http://aviation-safety.net/wikibase/wiki.php?id=66041
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> regards=2C
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> MP
> >>
> >> arget="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List
> >> tp://forums.matronics.com
> >> _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution
> >>
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
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