---------------------------------------------------------- Europa-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Tue 07/07/09: 18 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 12:58 AM - Re: What This Loctite For? (Frans Veldman) 2. 01:10 AM - Re: What This Loctite For? (Ian Sweetland) 3. 01:54 AM - Re: What This Loctite For? (bmoorhouse) 4. 02:43 AM - Flying to Norway (Sidsel & Svein Johnsen) 5. 03:14 AM - Re: Flying to Norway (David Joyce) 6. 04:14 AM - Re: Woodcomp Propellers (josok) 7. 04:56 AM - Re: Bubbling Paint (TELEDYNMCS@aol.com) 8. 05:20 AM - Re: Door fit (Lance Sandford) 9. 06:37 AM - Re: G-SAMY (Robert C Harrison) 10. 07:10 AM - Paint (Jim Naylor) 11. 09:44 AM - Re: LAST OF THE SUMMER WINE (A B Milne) 12. 09:44 AM - Re: Re: Bubbling Paint (rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us) 13. 10:44 AM - Re: Re: Bubbling Paint (Karl Heindl) 14. 01:42 PM - SV: Door fit (Alex e Debora) 15. 02:24 PM - test message (Rowland Carson) 16. 02:27 PM - Re: SV: Door fit (jimpuglise@comcast.net) 17. 03:15 PM - Re: Flying to Norway (K BURNS) 18. 04:04 PM - Re: SV: Door fit (Graham Singleton) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 12:58:38 AM PST US From: Frans Veldman Subject: Re: Europa-List: What This Loctite For? On Tuesday 07 July 2009 04:21:54 am Troy Maynor wrote: > I hesitate to bring it up but I'd like to know. I have this 5ml bottle of > Loctite 648 with only German language on it. I can't remember where I used > it, or if I have still to use it on something important. It is used for the flap drive bearing ends. Frans ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 01:10:00 AM PST US From: "Ian Sweetland" Subject: RE: Europa-List: What This Loctite For? have a look at http://www.loctite.sg/sea/content_data/93769_Loctite_648_Retaining_Compou nd. pdf it is for securing cylindrical components such as gears to shafts. Ian -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Troy Maynor Sent: 07 July 2009 03:22 Subject: Europa-List: What This Loctite For? Hi All, I hesitate to bring it up but I'd like to know. I have this 5ml bottle of Loctite 648 with only German language on it. I can't remember where I used it, or if I have still to use it on something important. There's nothing on my punch list other than service bulletin 15 which uses Loctite, and that's Loctite 603. Could it be for the elbows on the water pump that I had to change out. Just wondering around in the fog.... Troy Maynor ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 01:54:45 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: What This Loctite For? From: "bmoorhouse" [quote="Troy Maynor"]Hi All, I hesitate to bring it up but I'd like to know. I have this 5ml bottle of Loctite 648 with only German language on it. I can't remember where I used it, or if I have still to use it on something important. There's nothing on my punch list other than service bulletin 15 which uses Loctite, and that's Loctite 603. Could it be for the elbows on the water pump that I had to change out. Just wondering around in the fog.... Troy Maynor > [b] I think it may be the Loctite for the nose leg hub assembly on the tri-gear - for bonding the bearing inner races to the alloy shaft -------- _______________ Barry Moorhouse G-JHYS Trigear XS Rotax 914 UL Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=251887#251887 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 02:43:21 AM PST US From: "Sidsel & Svein Johnsen" Subject: Europa-List: Flying to Norway David Joyce's excellent information pamphlet titled "Flying from UK into Europe" contains a list of countries not requiring prior permission for Class A Permit aircraft, as well as a list of countries - including Norway - believed to require prior permission. I am pleased to inform anyone contemplating a flight to our country that Norway does not require prior permission for homebuilt aircraft flying under a valid "permit to fly" issued by another ECAC member state. See "VFR-guide 2009" (written in English) for more details on this (p. 33) and a host of other useful information for VFR flying in Norway, at http://www.luftfartstilsynet.no/multimedia/archive/00006/VFR-guide_for_Norwa y__6222a.pdf The simplified customs and immigration clearance procedure for light certified aircraft between Norway and another Schengen country described on page 31 applies also for homebuilt aircraft (confirmed to me by customs today). The flight plan copy required by customs under this simplified procedure may be sent by fax as stated in the guide, or by e-mail to desken@toll.no Regards, Svein K. Johnsen LN-SKJ ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 03:14:46 AM PST US From: "David Joyce" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Flying to Norway Svein, Many thanks. delighted to hear it. I will modify the section and also let the LAA know. David Joyce ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sidsel & Svein Johnsen" Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2009 10:26 AM Subject: Europa-List: Flying to Norway > David Joyce's excellent information pamphlet titled "Flying from UK into > Europe" contains a list of countries not requiring prior permission for > Class A Permit aircraft, as well as a list of countries - including > Norway - > believed to require prior permission. > > > I am pleased to inform anyone contemplating a flight to our country that > Norway does not require prior permission for homebuilt aircraft flying > under > a valid "permit to fly" issued by another ECAC member state. See > "VFR-guide > 2009" (written in English) for more details on this (p. 33) and a host of > other useful information for VFR flying in Norway, at > > > http://www.luftfartstilsynet.no/multimedia/archive/00006/VFR-guide_for_Norwa > y__6222a.pdf > > > The simplified customs and immigration clearance procedure for light > certified aircraft between Norway and another Schengen country described > on > page 31 applies also for homebuilt aircraft (confirmed to me by customs > today). The flight plan copy required by customs under this simplified > procedure may be sent by fax as stated in the guide, or by e-mail to > desken@toll.no > > > Regards, > > Svein K. Johnsen > > LN-SKJ > > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 04:14:34 AM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: Woodcomp Propellers From: "josok" After a long time being very quite i called the investigator today, since i had not heard anything. He has finished the report a long time ago, and forwarded it to his peer: The investigation court. Now he promised to ask the judge for permission to forward the report to me. Strange habits, especially if you think of flight safety. So in a few days i hope to be able to publish the report here. Netherthelesss some facts came up allready: The cause of the accident could not be determined without reasonable doubt. The pitch motor was fully blocked, but damage caused by impact and fire could not be excluded. The blade pitch was 0, not negative. The parts are still there, and it looks that i may have a look on my planned visit to Austria this Autumn. I have been looking with awe to the pichture of the "mechanical stops" What i see is a slot, same as a blade i have. It is very clear from the picture that there is damage in the BOTTOM of the slot, not on the end. Same on the blade here. This can only be caused by the end stop bolt, scraping over the bottom of the slot. It seems very possible that in my case, under high centrifugal force, this caused the blade to lock, motor to burn, and the rest of the story is history. Kind Regards, Jos Okhuijsen Visit - www.EuropaOwners.org ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 04:56:27 AM PST US From: TELEDYNMCS@aol.com Subject: Europa-List: Re: Bubbling Paint In a message dated 7/7/2009 3:02:36 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, europa-list@matronics.com writes: To date, I have had absolutely no issues with paint bubbling but I am concerned that keeping it outside in very wet conditions under a non-breathable cover may cause problems. Hey Paddy, For what it's worth, we see paint bubbling on glider fuselage belly's with both urethane and gel coat finishes occasionally. This is almost always caused by owners putting the glider in the trailer with the trailer fuselage support cradle padding wet. This usually happens when the owner is forced to put the glider away in a hurry due to a sudden rain storm. The padding gets rain soaked before the glider can be put away in the dry. If the owner doesn't take the glider out within a few days and let the padding dry out the paint or gel coat will bubble. The cradle padding used on Cobra glider trailers is similar to short pile carpeting. We had an ASW-27 come through the shop a couple of months ago with this exact issue and wet padding on the fuselage cradle was the obvious cause. The cradle padding was still wet when we pulled it out of the trailer and the bubbled surface on the belly matched the profile of the padding exactly. According to the glider's owner the fuselage had been sitting on the wet padding for about two weeks. The remedy was to sand out the bubbling with 320, reshoot it, color sand with 600, 800, and 1200, then buff. A good coat of high quality Carnuba wax on your finished surfaces would probably help prevent bubbling. Probably wouldn't eliminate it, but it would help the finish shed water. Regards, John Lawton Whitwell, TN (TN89) N245E - Flying **************An Excellent Credit Score is 750. See Yours in Just 2 Easy Steps! yExcfooterNO62) ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 05:20:20 AM PST US From: Lance Sandford Subject: Re: Europa-List: Door fit John I adjusted the door curve as I was doing the wide body mod. After removing the required section of inside skin, the frame is very flexible and can be held at the desired curve while fitting the new inside moulding. Regards Lance Sandford in OZ John Cliff wrote: > > One of my doors bows out proud of the fuselage along its lower edge, > evidently the door frame is too curved along the bottom. > > Has anyone else encountered this and tried remodelling the frame > (perspex not in yet) with gentle heat ? > > Or any other ideas ? > > John Cliff > #0259 ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 06:37:39 AM PST US From: "Robert C Harrison" Subject: RE: Europa-List: G-SAMY Hi! Paul Vallis Congratulations on the first flight of G-SAMY. So sorry I didn't pass my message earlier ..I was out enjoying our Iberian Trip, suffering high temperatures as you have been in the UK , suffering the unbearable Spanish bureaucracy insisting on VAT numbers even for cash payments, what mutton heads they are. Never the less you will get to enjoy such trips earlier through the auspices of the Europa Club tours. BFN Reports and photo's to follow . Regards Bob Harrison G-PTAG ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 07:10:27 AM PST US From: "Jim Naylor" Subject: Europa-List: Paint After some 13 years service and recent mods. our Europa is in need of some cosmetic work. Does anyone have some of the original paint and hardener that Europa used to supply, that they would be willing to part with. It had the code C21/100 UVR on the paint, S66/22R on the hardener and C25/905 on the thinners. I would more than happy to pay the going rate for it if anyone can help. Regards Jim Naylor __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signatur e database 4221 (20090706) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 09:44:13 AM PST US From: "A B Milne" Subject: Re: Europa-List: LAST OF THE SUMMER WINE Dear Bryan, Glad to hear from you. Please book me in on the LotSW. Off on the Tour de France on Saturday. Willie H has pulled out so the remaining tourists are off for a wander against the vaguest. We intend to meet in Cherbourg and then tour anticlock this year cf clockwise last year starting with a beach resort on the West edge. Should be great. See and have good flying. Yours Alasdair ----- Original Message ----- From: Bryan Allsop To: europa-list@matronics.com Sent: Monday, July 06, 2009 9:17 PM Subject: Europa-List: LAST OF THE SUMMER WINE Hi Europals, This is just an early reminder that the LOTSW trip intends to take off on the 8th of September, returning on the 13th. This informal trip is normally motivated be the seeking out of decent weather for a bit of flying in France, together with the enjoyment of good food, and company. Last year the LOTSW was very popular, and was heavily subscribed. If you want to make sure of a place please make early arrangements. Also, if you have any suggestions for destinations please let us know. For contact please use bryanallsop@hotmail.com Regards to all. Bryan allsop and Bob Hitchcock ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Hotmail=AE has ever-growing storage! Don=92t worry about storage limits. Check it out. ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 09:44:13 AM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: Bubbling Paint From: rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us Thanks John for insight " For what it's worth, we see paint bubbling on glider fuselage belly's with both urethane and gel coat finishes occasionally. This is almost alwayscaused by owners putting the glider in the trailer with the trailer fuselagesupport cradle padding wet. This usually happens when the owner is forced to put the glider away in a hurry due to a sudden rain storm. The padding gets rain soaked before the glider can be put away in the dry. If the owner doesn't take the glider out within a few days and let the padding dry outthe paint or gel coat will bubble." Has anyone had paint bubble on wings or fuse from letting plane live on Factory open monowheel trailer after it got stuck in rain and didn't dry it? Thx. Ron Parigoris ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 10:44:32 AM PST US From: Karl Heindl Subject: RE: Europa-List: Re: Bubbling Paint Ron=2C I've had my Europa sitting in the rain and sun for many months and the pain t is not bubblng. I guess it is only a problem when there is moisture with no ventilation. Why should it be a problem ? There are hundreds of thousands of airplanes s itting in the open without paint problems. And there are millions of cars permanently outdoors for many years=2C and their paint is usually one-part with a two-part clear coat. Karl Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: Bubbling Paint From: rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us Thanks John for insight " For what it's worth=2C we see paint bubbling on glider fuselage belly's with both urethane and gel coat finishes occasionally. This is almost alway s caused by owners putting the glider in the trailer with the trailer fusel age support cradle padding wet. This usually happens when the owner is forc ed to put the glider away in a hurry due to a sudden rain storm. The paddin g gets rain soaked before the glider can be put away in the dry. If the own er doesn't take the glider out within a few days and let the padding dry o ut the paint or gel coat will bubble." Has anyone had paint bubble on wings or fuse from letting plane live on Fac tory open monowheel trailer after it got stuck in rain and didn't dry it? Thx. Ron Parigoris ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 01:42:57 PM PST US From: "Alex e Debora" Subject: SV: Europa-List: Door fit One solution that has been presented here a long time ago, I liked for its simplicity and added safety. Somebody had simply put an overcentering hook on the door sill, which after closing the door would be engaged on a small ridge on the door, or vice versa. Lightweight, easy to do and it provides a very good second locking of the door preventing the door from opening in flight, should the standard locking mechanism fail. Alex #529 -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- Fra: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] P vegne af John Cliff Sendt: 6. juli 2009 18:23 Til: europa-list@matronics.com Emne: Europa-List: Door fit One of my doors bows out proud of the fuselage along its lower edge, evidently the door frame is too curved along the bottom. Has anyone else encountered this and tried remodelling the frame (perspex not in yet) with gentle heat ? Or any other ideas ? John Cliff #0259 ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 02:24:56 PM PST US From: Rowland Carson Subject: Europa-List: test message do not archive -- | Rowland Carson http://home.clara.net/rowil/ | ... that's Rowland with a 'w' ... ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 02:27:36 PM PST US From: jimpuglise@comcast.net Subject: Re: SV: Europa-List: Door fit John- I just installed my doors and latches last week but when I look at the door , it appears that it would be quite easy to add a flange extending down an inch or so right in the middle of the door frame, aft of the latch guard. =C2- At this point, the inside of the door frame is a bout 1/8 proud of t he fuselage, just enough space for a piece of weather seal.=C2- This woul d be very simple to do.=C2- Jim Puglise A-283 --- From: "Alex e Debora" Sent: Tuesday, July 7, 2009 4:33:15 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: SV: Europa-List: Door fit One solution that has been presented here a long time ago, I liked for it =C2=B4s simplicity and added safety. Somebody had simply put an overcentering hook on the door sill, which after closing the door would be engaged on a small ridge on the door, or vice versa. Lightweight, easy to do and it provides a very good second locking of the door preventing the door from opening in flight, should the standard lockin g mechanism fail. Alex #529 -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- Fra: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] P=C3=A5 vegne af John Cliff Sendt: 6. juli 2009 18:23 Til: europa-list@matronics.com Emne: Europa-List: Door fit One of my doors bows out proud of the fuselage along its lower edge, evidently the door frame is too curved along the bottom. Has anyone else encountered this and tried remodelling the frame (perspex not in yet) with gentle heat ? Or any other ideas ? John Cliff #0259 =========== =========== MS - =========== e - =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2--Matt Dralle, List Admin. =========== ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 03:15:39 PM PST US From: K BURNS Subject: Re: Europa-List: Flying to Norway Thank you for the usefull guide to Sidsel & Svein Johnsen,it makes interesting reading, I would sugest a change in the priority given in the survival kit and sugest the survival suit be moved to the top of the list because in the winter if you go in the water without, you will be gone in under 5 min, even nr the Channel islands two winters ago two guys could not make the life raft due to the cold,only one guy survived and the air sea rescue was on the scene within 30 min, also consider plastic baging mobile phones, and or a spare hand held radio inside your flotation suit..the ex RAF suits I have are 500 new and were unused spares,,bought 35..Remember your options most of the time if you have an engine failure will be into the trees (with rocks /mountains) or in to the water which is very deep even nr the shoreline,remember to unlock your door/canopy if you need to ditch. Some of the most memorable flying I have done so far is from Norge to the UK over Christmas 2007. (In a motorglider some times into 20knt headwinds G/S slower than wagons below)! Kevin. --- On Tue, 7/7/09, Sidsel & Svein Johnsen wrote: > From: Sidsel & Svein Johnsen > Subject: Europa-List: Flying to Norway > To: europa-list@matronics.com > Date: Tuesday, 7 July, 2009, 10:26 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > David Joyces > excellent information pamphlet > titled Flying from UK into Europe contains a > list of countries not > requiring prior permission for Class A Permit aircraft, as > well as a list of > countries including Norway - believed to require > prior permission. > > > > I am pleased to > inform anyone contemplating > a flight to our country that Norway does not require prior > permission for > homebuilt aircraft flying under a valid permit to > fly issued by another > ECAC member state. See VFR-guide 2009 > (written in English) for > more details on this (p. 33) and a host of other useful > information for VFR > flying in Norway, at > > > > http://www.luftfartstilsynet.no/multimedia/archive/00006/VFR-guide_for_Norway__6222a.pdf > > > > > The simplified > customs and immigration clearance > procedure for light certified aircraft between Norway and > another Schengen > country described on page 31 applies also for homebuilt > aircraft (confirmed to > me by customs today). The flight plan copy > required by customs under > this simplified procedure may be sent by fax as stated in > the guide, or by > e-mail to desken@toll.no > > > > > Regards, > > > Svein K. > Johnsen > > LN-SKJ > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 04:04:26 PM PST US From: Graham Singleton Subject: Re: SV: Europa-List: Door fit Alex e Debora wrote: > > One solution that has been presented here a long time ago, I liked for its > simplicity and added safety. > > Somebody had simply put an overcentering hook on the door sill, which after > closing the door would be engaged on a small ridge on the door, or vice > versa. > > Lightweight, easy to do and it provides a very good second locking of the > door preventing the door from opening in flight, should the standard locking > mechanism fail. > > Alex Alex that's what I was trying to describe, Mal McLure's solution. There's enough spring in the doors to allow easy latching and when the shoot bolts are in it is locked. I have seen doors flex and suck out my shirt sleeve when fresh air vents were opened Graham ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message europa-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Europa-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/europa-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/europa-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.