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1. 02:20 AM - Ditching (Sidsel & Svein Johnsen)
2. 03:13 AM - Re: Ditching (Frans Veldman)
3. 04:12 AM - Blue Mountain (Graham Singleton)
4. 05:19 AM - Re: Bubbling Paint (TELEDYNMCS@aol.com)
5. 05:43 AM - Re: Re: Bubbling Paint (Graham Singleton)
6. 09:17 AM - Re: Re: Bubbling Paint (Karl Heindl)
7. 11:52 AM - Re: Ditching (Sidsel & Svein Johnsen)
8. 12:35 PM - Re: Aircraft Covers in U.K. (R Holder)
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Kevin posted some valuable thoughts on survival gear and where to (try to) land
in case of an engine failure, in response to my reference to the Norwegian CAA's
VFR-guide for flying in Norway.
Flying in most parts of Norway is over either mountains/rocks, forest or water
(lakes and fjords) - none or few farmers' fields in most places.
Since I have the trigear, I would be very afraid to try to set it down on water.
Would it not, because of the nose wheel, ditch in with the nose and stop like
hitting concrete? Is there a technique to use to have some chance of surviving?
To set the tail down first would be an option, perhaps, but the risk of
doing this too early and thus stalling would be great, would it not? And as
soon as the main wheels hit water, the aircraft would pitch nose down anyway?
Any encouraging statistics about ditching a nosewheeled aircraft?
The mono is probably much better in this respect - - - -.
Regards,
Svein K. Johnsen
LN-SKJ
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Emne: Re: Europa-List: Flying to Norway
Thank you for the usefull guide to Sidsel & Svein Johnsen,it makes interesting
reading, I would sugest a change in the priority given in the survival kit and
sugest the survival suit be moved to the top of the list because in the winter
if you go in the water without, you will be gone in under 5 min, even nr the
Channel islands two winters ago two guys could not make the life raft due to
the cold,only one guy survived and the air sea rescue was on the scene within
30 min, also consider plastic baging mobile phones, and or a spare hand held radio
inside your flotation suit..the ex RAF suits I have are 500 new and were
unused spares,,bought 35..Remember your options most of the time if you have an
engine failure will be into the trees (with rocks /mountains) or in to the water
which is very deep even nr the shoreline,remember to unlock your door/canopy
if you need to ditch.
Some of the most memorable flying I have done so far is from Norge to the UK over
Christmas 2007.
(In a motorglider some times into 20knt headwinds G/S slower than wagons below)!
Kevin.
--- On Tue, 7/7/09, Sidsel & Svein Johnsen <sidsel.svein@oslo.online.no> wrote:
> From: Sidsel & Svein Johnsen <sidsel.svein@oslo.online.no>
> Subject: Europa-List: Flying to Norway
> To: europa-list@matronics.com
> Date: Tuesday, 7 July, 2009, 10:26 AM
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> David Joyces
> excellent information pamphlet
> titled Flying from UK into Europe contains a
> list of countries not
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> well as a list of
> countries including Norway - believed to require
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> inform anyone contemplating
> a flight to our country that Norway does not require prior
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> homebuilt aircraft flying under a valid permit to
> fly issued by another
> ECAC member state. See VFR-guide 2009
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> more details on this (p. 33) and a host of other useful
> information for VFR
> flying in Norway, at
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> http://www.luftfartstilsynet.no/multimedia/archive/00006/VFR-guide_for_Norway__6222a.pdf
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> procedure for light certified aircraft between Norway and
> another Schengen
> country described on page 31 applies also for homebuilt
> aircraft (confirmed to
> me by customs today). The flight plan copy
> required by customs under
> this simplified procedure may be sent by fax as stated in
> the guide, or by
> e-mail to desken@toll.no
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> Johnsen
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Sidsel & Svein Johnsen wrote:
> Any encouraging statistics about ditching a nosewheeled aircraft?
Yes. It is not as bad as it appears, statistical data even shows that
the fatality rate with retractable gear ditchings is higher than with
conventional gear.
Many myths are torpedoed on the following website. It is probably the
best website dedicated to this subject.
http://www.equipped.com/ditchtoc.htm
Frans
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this just came up on the canard forum, Blue Mountain closing down
http://www.bluemountainavionics.com/
Graham
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| Subject: | Re: Bubbling Paint |
In a message dated 7/8/2009 3:02:51 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
europa-list@matronics.com writes:
Why should it be a problem ?
Hey Karl,
I agree, I don't think getting rained on periodically ultimately causes
paint or gel coat bubbling. As you said there are millions of cars and
hundreds of thousands of airplanes that sit in the rain most of their lives and
don't develop blistering. What I was talking about was moisture being held
in constant contact with the finish, as it would by being in contact with a
rain soaked padding over several weeks and that is indeed what caused the
bubbling I described.
We recommend to our customers a periodic application of a good quality
Carnuba wax (like Mother's) or Wx Block (available from wingsandwheels.com)
because it helps the finish shed water and also provides some UV protection.
Makes your bird all nice and shiny, too.
Regards,
John Lawton
Whitwell, TN (TN89)
N245E - Flying
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| Subject: | Re: Bubbling Paint |
TELEDYNMCS@aol.com wrote:
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> In a message dated 7/8/2009 3:02:51 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> europa-list@matronics.com writes:
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> Why should it be a problem ?
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> Hey Karl,
>
> I agree, I don't think getting rained on periodically ultimately
> causes paint or gel coat bubbling. As you said there are millions of
> cars and hundreds of thousands of airplanes that sit in the rain most
> of their lives and don't develop blistering. What I was talking about
> was moisture being held in constant contact with the finish, as it
> would by being in contact with a rain soaked padding over several
> weeks and that is indeed what caused the bubbling I described.
>
> We recommend to our customers a periodic application of a good
> quality Carnuba wax (like Mother's) or Wx Block (available from
> wingsandwheels.com) because it helps the finish shed water and also
> provides some UV protection. Makes your bird all nice and shiny, too.
>
> Regards,
>
> John Lawton
> Whitwell, TN (TN89)
> N245E - Flying
John
Cars and store bought airplanes are metal, blistering is a composites
problem. If there are any fingerprints, unreacted resins, whatever, on
the surface before painting osmosis will occur. ALL paint systems are
permeable. As you say, wax is best
Graham
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| Subject: | Re: Bubbling Paint |
John etc.=2C
I understood your point with the wing sling and trapped moisture.
I always wanted to use a polish for extra protection=2C but I am afraid tha
t it would be very difficult to do any future touchups. My experience with
furniture lacquers is=2C that it is very difficult to re-finish a tabletop
where any polish was used containing wax or silicone=2C even when it is str
ipped down to the bare wood.
Your experience seems to indicate that this is not a problem with glider an
d Europa finishes. Can you confirm that and let us know what you use to pre
pare the surface for re-painting ? I never used carnuba wax. Is it availabl
e in car shops=2C and do I need a powered polisher for application ? Which
polishes are to be avoided ?
Thank you=2C Karl
From: TELEDYNMCS@aol.com
Subject: Europa-List: Re: Bubbling Paint
In a message dated 7/8/2009 3:02:51 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time=2C europa-li
st@matronics.com writes:
Why should it be a problem ?
Hey Karl=2C
I agree=2C I don't think getting rained on periodically ultimately causes p
aint or gel coat bubbling. As you said there are millions of cars and hundr
eds of thousands of airplanes that sit in the rain most of their lives and
don't develop blistering. What I was talking about was moisture being held
in constant contact with the finish=2C as it would by being in contact with
a rain soaked padding over several weeks and that is indeed what caused th
e bubbling I described.
We recommend to our customers a periodic application of a good quality Carn
uba wax (like Mother's) or Wx Block (available from wingsandwheels.com) bec
ause it helps the finish shed water and also provides some UV protection. M
akes your bird all nice and shiny=2C too.
Regards=2C
John Lawton
Whitwell=2C TN (TN89)
N245E - Flying
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Thanks, Frans. Very interesting and reassuring to read.
Regards,
Svein
Do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Aircraft Covers in U.K. |
Paddy Clarke wrote:
> Hi Folks,
> It looks as though I'm going to have to get some winter weight covers
> for my XS mono.
> It seems that I have a choice between a fully waterproof felt backed
> material that isn't breathable, and a breathable canvass that is not so
> waterproof and deteriorates quicker.
> The aircraft is 7 years old and was filled and primed with Polyfibre
> products. To date, I have had absolutely no issues with paint bubbling
> but I am concerned that keeping it outside in very wet conditions under
> a non-breathable cover may cause problems.
> Has anyone had any experience of this - or not as the case may be?
> Has anyone got any firms to be recommended or to be avoided?
> What sort of material have others settled on?
Paddy i used Velas in Ongar not a million miles from
Stapleford.
The guy is a sail maker but has templates for lots of
planes and his work is all over.
www.velas.co.uk
I am sure I could pick up and deliver for you if you wanted,
Richard
G-OWWW
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