---------------------------------------------------------- Europa-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sun 07/19/09: 11 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 02:26 AM - Europa classic-mono: rudder-pedals movement (Frank Kusserow) 2. 04:52 AM - Re: Oshkosh (David Conrad) 3. 05:29 AM - Re: Had A Bad Day with a Perspex Window (Ron Jones) 4. 07:10 AM - Re: Oshkosh (david miller) 5. 08:11 AM - Had A Bad Day with a Perspex Window (Erich Trombley) 6. 10:14 AM - Re: Had A Bad Day with a Perspex Window (Bud Yerly) 7. 12:09 PM - Re: Aircraft Covers in U.K. (Paddy Clarke) 8. 01:21 PM - Re: Had A Bad Day with a Perspex Window (Flying Farmer) 9. 02:13 PM - Re: Had A Bad Day with a Perspex Window (rparigoris) 10. 06:13 PM - Re: Had A Bad Day with a Perspex Window (Karl Heindl) 11. 07:45 PM - How do you purge oil cooler with an oil thermostat (rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 02:26:40 AM PST US From: "Frank Kusserow" Subject: Europa-List: Europa classic-mono: rudder-pedals movement Dear Community, I would like to move my rudder-pedals on my classic mono forward in order have a better seating. I still have some room to the firewall inside with fully pushed pedals, but outside I am too close to the original Europa muffler. I believe this problem has been posted on the forum before - does any one have a solution to this? I am thinking of a different muffler construction or a different pedal construction at this moment. Thank you for your kind feedback Best regards, Frank Kusserow ---------------------- D-EJWD Classic, Mono, 912UL ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 04:52:13 AM PST US From: David Conrad Subject: Re: Europa-List: Oshkosh I'll be at OSHKOSH starting Saturday morning, July 24th thru Friday morning July 31st. I'll have a rental car, and plan to be camping down in the Ultralight Area. I'll be bringing a powered paraglider with me to fly in the mornings durin g the show. With me will be my wife Sue, and daughter Kimberly (26). Dave Conrad, A078 Mono, 914, short & long wings A long way to go in the build (513) 886 - 0481 Cell --- On Sat, 7/18/09, Erich Trombley wrote: From: Erich Trombley Subject: Europa-List: Oshkosh m> Regarding OSH, myself and Bob Lindsay will be flying out as a flight of two .- Our plans, weather permitting, are for Bob to fly up to Las Vegas, NV on Friday, 7/24 with the both us departing for OSH on 7/25.- We are plann ing on arriving OSH on Sunday morning- 7/26.- I can put together a spre adsheet similar to what I did for Sun-N-Fun so all that are planning on att ending will have contact info readily available.- A Europa dinner/gatheri ng sounds delightful. Regards, Erich Trombley N28ET Classic Mono 914 ____________________________________________________________ Screen Printing Presses Low Cost Screen Printing Kits, Equipment & Supplies. Free Info. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2131/c?cp=3rzUY4cXqr0gso_UxC3f6QAAJz1 S20ZTAtIc8C9-oX87jWuAAAUAAAAAAAAAABVQ3z7reQGyK8ZOMFLqfqdqkHaDAAAAAA= le, List Admin. =0A=0A=0A ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 05:29:41 AM PST US From: "Ron Jones" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Had A Bad Day with a Perspex Window Hello Richard, Sorry to hear about the problem with the "sprung" window. I'm sure you will already have thought that heat is probably the only "treatment". The problem is that both the Redox and the Perspex will soften. The question as I see it is which softens first? I haven't tried it but wonder if this might work. Cut a piece of metal (ally, 1/8th thick, e.g.) to the shape of the area affected and a piece of wood (ply e.g.) the same. Take another chunk of wood (2"x1"e.g.) to bridge across the inside corner of the door and, using a G cramp, clamp the whole thing together . With a hair drier, warm up the door-frame area where the window has lifted. The metal should (hopefully) act as a heat sink to protect the window while the Redox should (again, hopefully) soften and allow the Perspex to re-seat. Just a thought. It might work! (Before you try it, would you please delete this email and my address in case it doesn't!) Best regards, Ron Jones. ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 07:10:23 AM PST US From: david miller Subject: Re: Europa-List: Oshkosh Hi Christoph, Look forward to meeting up with you and Myron again. Chris' phone # is 519-494-2741 Dave On 18-Jul-09, at 6:20 PM, Christoph Both wrote: > > > Hi Dave, > I will arrive July 30 commercial air. Staying with Myron Haluschak > until > AUG 3 on the grounds. Would be nice to meet! Txt cell: 902-691-2709 > Christoph > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of david > miller > Sent: Saturday, July 18, 2009 4:31 PM > To: europa-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Europa-List: Oshkosh > > > > Erich, > > Chris Staines and I will be arriving on Friday 31st, staying for the > last Saturday and Sunday, at Marian College. > driving in. > Hope we do not miss everyone > > Dave C-FBZI > Chris C- GFSY > > On 18-Jul-09, at 4:22 PM, Erich Trombley wrote: > >> >> >> Regarding OSH, myself and Bob Lindsay will be flying out as a >> flight of two. Our plans, weather permitting, are for Bob to fly >> up to Las Vegas, NV on Friday, 7/24 with the both us departing for >> OSH on 7/25. We are planning on arriving OSH on Sunday morning >> 7/26. I can put together a spreadsheet similar to what I did for >> Sun-N-Fun so all that are planning on attending will have contact >> info readily available. A Europa dinner/gathering sounds delightful. >> >> Regards, >> >> Erich Trombley >> N28ET Classic Mono 914 >> >> ____________________________________________________________ >> Screen Printing Presses >> Low Cost Screen Printing Kits, Equipment & Supplies. Free Info. >> http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2131/c? >> cp=3rzUY4cXqr0gso_UxC3f6QAAJz1S20ZTAtIc8C9- >> oX87jWuAAAUAAAAAAAAAABVQ3z7reQGyK8ZOMFLqfqdqkHaDAAAAAA= >> >> >> >> >> > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 08:11:56 AM PST US From: "Erich Trombley" Subject: Europa-List: Had A Bad Day with a Perspex Window Hello Richard, Sorry to hear about your window. Unfortunately, I don't believe there is a quick fix for the problem you have described. Because the Perspex has lifted from the door rebate you will find that the cured Redux is shiny and thus will not take a bond with new Redux without prepping it first. If you are able to sand the exposed Redux you may be able get a good bond. However, without seeing the window I can comment of the viability of this scenario. If this is not a possibility, I fear you may have to completely remove the window and remove the cured Redux., Not too bad of a job with a heat gun. There have been a few builders who have replaced windows that can give you better advise on the process than I. Just be really careful. Regarding the area that has cured Redux on the Perspex; carefully sanding this down is probably the best solution. The Perspex does polish up nicely with restoration, however, you will get localized distortion which I believe is unavoidable. I have found that sanding it up through 1500 grit paper followed by hand polishing works nicely. Good luck. Erich Trombley N28ET Classic Mono 914 ____________________________________________________________ Certified Financial Find Certified Financial Advisors Compare Prices And Save! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2131/c?cp=3VDfA7kLPFsyg7bnzvZe1gAAJz1S20ZTAtIc8C9-oX87jWuAAAUAAAAAAAAAAB6naD52odR8q_HAFsqU4XRGHpjgAAAAAA= ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 10:14:25 AM PST US From: "Bud Yerly" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Had A Bad Day with a Perspex Window Sorry for taking so long to comment. I was out. Flew a Motor Glider from Tampa To Kansas City. Great trip. 127 TAS at 4.8 gph at 8500ft. A lot of weather, but not bad. On to windows... Richard, The problem may already be fixed, but here are my two cents: On the sprung corner, if it is out only 1mm or so, try to fill the area with clear redux. Keep in mind, that it is not going to bond well as the surfaces have cured glue on them and are slick. But it will prevent a large air void and possible separation if filled. I have not had one sprung in the shop, once when helping someone redoing a door which was damaged, I saw a void near the handle that was 1.5 inches around the corner. I suggested he grind the glass closer to level and he filled the void by injecting in redux, then glassed over the corner, making his door glass viewing area about 1/2 inch smaller in the corner, but the glassing of two layers of staggered bid has done the trick. One other thing I noticed is that the door panel to plexi joint was very smooth and didn't show a bump in the heat after painting due to different expansion rates. Usually, any redux on the outside of the glass can be flecked off using a plastic scraper. Sometimes a little heat to get it warm will do the trick (about 120 degrees F). The plexi will buff out. My windows are a mess of scratches as they are left-overs or returns... Using grits from 400 to 2000 then buffing compounds and a good slow buffer did the trick. Mine still need one more inside and out buffing with anti-swirl compound and they'll be fine. Bud Yerly Custom FLight ----- Original Message ----- From: Flying Farmer To: europa-list@matronics.com Sent: Saturday, July 18, 2009 6:11 PM Subject: Europa-List: Had A Bad Day with a Perspex Window > I have had a BAD day with my windows !!! After leaving my perfect fitted window to cure over night, I have discovered this morning that it has sprung slightly in the corner near to the handle. Is it possible to remove the window in this corner to allow a cleanup and to re-set it back to as it should be into the rebate? if so, how without damaging the perspex? I have also got a small amount of redux onto the perspex in top corner. Is their a way to remove it without scratching the Perspex? =================== Thank You Richard Wheelwright =================== Visit - www.EuropaOwners.org http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 12:09:30 PM PST US From: Paddy Clarke Subject: Re: Europa-List: Aircraft Covers in U.K. Hi Willie, Good to hear from you. We got back this afternoon from France - a good trip but needless to say it would have been that much better with you two there! I still haven't decided on the material for my covers, I also have a possibility of using a sort of marquee for the aircraft in the summer. I will be using an enclosed trailer in the winter. Both these could well benefit from your dehumidifier. Hope to see you at a DOTH soon, All the best, Paddy On 13 Jul 2009, at 10:34, William Harrison wrote: > > > Paddy > > Mine lives in a weird microclimate inside a WWII nissen hut type > hanger, with an unsealed floor, where it is frequently very humid > and sometimes rains condensation. The one discovery I'd like to > share is that I have found that a chemical dehumidifier (intended > for caravans) has clearly kept the inside much drier than it was > previously. This can only be a good thing for the instruments and > electrics. An incidental benefit is that the misting problem I used > to have in cold weather has largely gone away (I suspect that the > upholstery had been acting like a reservoir for water which then > took 30 minutes of flight to dry out, and in the meantime was > redistributing the moisture onto the windscreen and side windows). > > Good luck finding the right cover. > > Willie > > > On 9 Jul 2009, at 20:27, Paddy Clarke wrote: > >> Hi Folks, >> Many thanks to all those who replied. >> Before deciding on manufacturer I have to decide on which >> material, due to my use of Polyfibre products. >> Is there anyone out there who used Polyfibre filler and/or primer >> and then kept their aircraft outside under covers, who didn't have >> bubbles appear in the paintwork?. If so, were the covers >> breathable or not?. >> Do people who know about Polyfibre think that there are still >> potential problems in store with a finish completed 8 years ago? >> Do people think you get condensation under fully waterproof covers? >> Looking forward to many erudite replies, >> All the best, paddy >> On 8 Jul 2009, at 20:30, R Holder wrote: > > Paddy Clarke Europa G-KIMM ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 01:21:59 PM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: Had A Bad Day with a Perspex Window From: "Flying Farmer" Crag, Graham, Bud, Erich Thank you for the replays, I have tyred some of the suggested methods. Graham, the soldering Iron is a good one, but it puts melt lines in theperspex and seems impossible to get between the door and the perspex I have tyred heating with an hair dryer, This works too, carefully lifting the perspex off the door. but I feel it will not be enough to clean up the corner to get a good bond again. Bud, If I sand it down, there will be no window left to make a small bid layup and will look bad on the position it is in on my Europa. I feel the only way would be to completely remove the window and start again. ============================================ Thank You Richard Wheelwright ============================================ Visit - www.EuropaOwners.org ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 02:13:38 PM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: Had A Bad Day with a Perspex Window From: "rparigoris" Hi Richard I am not sure I understand if your lifting Perplex is on the door or front windscreen, doesn't matter, could you put in an Ultimate ventilator in that area? http://www.europaowners.org/modules.php?set_albumName=album277&op=modload&name=gallery&file=index&include=view_album.php If above not feasible, if it is in the corner where if you were to make window smaller and visability would be acceptable, you could cut out lifting corner out and re-establish a rebate with some glass. I would lay up first ply wet out with Redux, then peel ply, after cure use aeropoxy plies. Good luck Ron Parigoris Ron Parigoris Visit - www.EuropaOwners.org ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 06:13:00 PM PST US From: Karl Heindl Subject: RE: Europa-List: Had A Bad Day with a Perspex Window Ron=2C that's a good idea. I had a disaster situation where the open door f ried near a 500W halogen ceiling lamp. I cried=2C but then I had the bright idea of fitting a ventilator in that location. which was just behind my head . It worked ou t well as it extracts the incoming air from the Naca scoops. Karl > Subject: Re: Europa-List: Had A Bad Day with a Perspex Window > From: rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us > Date: Mon=2C 20 Jul 2009 00:13:47 +0300 > To: europa-list@matronics.com > us> > > Hi Richard > > I am not sure I understand if your lifting Perplex is on the door or fron t windscreen=2C doesn't matter=2C could you put in an Ultimate ventilator i n that area? > > http://www.europaowners.org/modules.php?set_albumName=album277&op=mod load&name=gallery&file=index&include=view_album.php > > If above not feasible=2C if it is in the corner where if you were to make window smaller and visability would be acceptable=2C you could cut out lif ting corner out and re-establish a rebate with some glass. I would lay up f irst ply wet out with Redux=2C then peel ply=2C after cure use aeropoxy pli es. > > Good luck > Ron Parigoris > > Ron Parigoris > > > > > > > Visit - www.EuropaOwners.org > > > > > =========== =========== =========== =========== > > > ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 07:45:09 PM PST US Subject: Europa-List: How do you purge oil cooler with an oil thermostat From: rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us Curiosity question, how do you best purge an oil cooler on a 91X if you have an oil thermostat? Thx. 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