---------------------------------------------------------- Europa-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Mon 07/20/09: 10 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 01:12 AM - Add name to spread sheet Oshkosh attendees (Cleve Lee) 2. 04:37 AM - Re: Had A Bad Day with a Perspex Window (Flying Farmer) 3. 04:52 AM - Re: Add name to spread sheet Oshkosh attendees (Peter Zutrauen) 4. 05:20 AM - Re: Add name to spread sheet Oshkosh attendees (Paul McAllister) 5. 06:47 AM - Re: Add name to spread sheet Oshkosh attendees (Bob Borger) 6. 12:16 PM - Re: Add name to spread sheet Oshkosh attendees (david miller) 7. 02:40 PM - Re: Add name to spread sheet Oshkosh attendees (sldpileit@aol.com) 8. 04:17 PM - Factory Fuel Gauge - Mod 60 (grroberts3@juno.com) 9. 06:53 PM - Re: Add name to spread sheet Oshkosh attendees (Rick Stockton) 10. 08:15 PM - Re: Add name to spread sheet Oshkosh attendees (Paul McAllister) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 01:12:53 AM PST US From: "Cleve Lee" Subject: Europa-List: Add name to spread sheet Oshkosh attendees Hello Erich, If you will be preparing a list of attendees, would you please include myself. Cleve Lee A198 - Mono XS Jabiru 3300 (Currently in the UK but returning with the project to Detroit area shortly.) Contact Phone: (011) 44 776 561 2283 Mobile E-mail: cleve.lee@mobileemail.vodafone.net I'll have an RV in Camp Schoeller (likely with an available bed if it pours one night and someone tenting wants to get a dryer night sleep... . A buddy and I will be arriving for Thursday the 30th through Saturday. Please let me know if a dinner is scheduled anywhere. Thanks, Cleve ----- Original Message ----- From: "Europa-List Digest Server" Sent: Monday, July 20, 2009 7:57 AM Subject: Europa-List Digest: 11 Msgs - 07/19/09 > * > > ================================================= > Online Versions of Today's List Digest Archive > ================================================= > > Today's complete Europa-List Digest can also be found in either of the > two Web Links listed below. The .html file includes the Digest formatted > in HTML for viewing with a web browser and features Hyperlinked Indexes > and Message Navigation. The .txt file includes the plain ASCII version > of the Europa-List Digest and can be viewed with a generic text editor > such as Notepad or with a web browser. > > HTML Version: > > > http://www.matronics.com/digest/digestview.php?Style=82701&View=html&Chapter 09-07-19&Archive=Europa > > Text Version: > > > http://www.matronics.com/digest/digestview.php?Style=82701&View=txt&Chapter 09-07-19&Archive=Europa > > > =============================================== > EMail Version of Today's List Digest Archive > =============================================== > > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > Europa-List Digest Archive > --- > Total Messages Posted Sun 07/19/09: 11 > ---------------------------------------------------------- > > > Today's Message Index: > ---------------------- > > 1. 02:26 AM - Europa classic-mono: rudder-pedals movement (Frank > Kusserow) > 2. 04:52 AM - Re: Oshkosh (David Conrad) > 3. 05:29 AM - Re: Had A Bad Day with a Perspex Window (Ron Jones) > 4. 07:10 AM - Re: Oshkosh (david miller) > 5. 08:11 AM - Had A Bad Day with a Perspex Window (Erich Trombley) > 6. 10:14 AM - Re: Had A Bad Day with a Perspex Window (Bud Yerly) > 7. 12:09 PM - Re: Aircraft Covers in U.K. (Paddy Clarke) > 8. 01:21 PM - Re: Had A Bad Day with a Perspex Window (Flying Farmer) > 9. 02:13 PM - Re: Had A Bad Day with a Perspex Window (rparigoris) > 10. 06:13 PM - Re: Had A Bad Day with a Perspex Window (Karl Heindl) > 11. 07:45 PM - How do you purge oil cooler with an oil thermostat > (rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us) > > > ________________________________ Message 1 > _____________________________________ > > > Time: 02:26:40 AM PST US > From: "Frank Kusserow" > Subject: Europa-List: Europa classic-mono: rudder-pedals movement > > Dear Community, > > I would like to move my rudder-pedals on my classic mono forward in > order have a better seating. > I still have some room to the firewall inside with fully pushed pedals, > but outside I am too close to the original Europa muffler. > I believe this problem has been posted on the forum before - does any > one have a solution to this? > I am thinking of a different muffler construction or a different pedal > construction at this moment. > Thank you for your kind feedback > > Best regards, > > Frank Kusserow > ---------------------- > D-EJWD > Classic, Mono, 912UL > > ________________________________ Message 2 > _____________________________________ > > > Time: 04:52:13 AM PST US > From: David Conrad > Subject: Re: Europa-List: Oshkosh > > I'll be at OSHKOSH starting Saturday morning, July 24th thru Friday > morning > July 31st. > I'll have a rental car, and plan to be camping down in the Ultralight > Area. > I'll be bringing a powered paraglider with me to fly in the mornings durin > g the show. With me will be my wife Sue, and daughter Kimberly (26). > > Dave Conrad, A078 > Mono, 914, short & long wings > A long way to go in the build > (513) 886 - 0481 Cell > > --- On Sat, 7/18/09, Erich Trombley wrote: > > From: Erich Trombley > Subject: Europa-List: Oshkosh > > m> > > Regarding OSH, myself and Bob Lindsay will be flying out as a flight of > two > .- Our plans, weather permitting, are for Bob to fly up to Las Vegas, NV > on Friday, 7/24 with the both us departing for OSH on 7/25.- We are plann > ing on arriving OSH on Sunday morning- 7/26.- I can put together a spre > adsheet similar to what I did for Sun-N-Fun so all that are planning on > att > ending will have contact info readily available.- A Europa dinner/gatheri > ng sounds delightful. > > Regards, > > Erich Trombley > N28ET Classic Mono 914 > > ____________________________________________________________ > Screen Printing Presses > Low Cost Screen Printing Kits, Equipment & Supplies. Free Info. > http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2131/c?cp=3rzUY4cXqr0gso_UxC3f6QAAJz1 > S20ZTAtIc8C9-oX87jWuAAAUAAAAAAAAAABVQ3z7reQGyK8ZOMFLqfqdqkHaDAAAAAA > > > le, List Admin. > > > =0A=0A=0A > > ________________________________ Message 3 > _____________________________________ > > > Time: 05:29:41 AM PST US > From: "Ron Jones" > Subject: Re: Europa-List: Had A Bad Day with a Perspex Window > > > Hello Richard, > Sorry to hear about the problem with the "sprung" window. > I'm sure you will already have thought that heat is probably the only > "treatment". The problem is that both the Redox and the Perspex will > soften. > The question as I see it is which softens first? > I haven't tried it but wonder if this might work. Cut a piece of metal > (ally, 1/8th thick, e.g.) to the shape of the area affected and a piece of > wood (ply e.g.) the same. Take another chunk of wood (2"x1"e.g.) to bridge > across the inside corner of the door and, using a G cramp, clamp the whole > thing together . With a hair drier, warm up the door-frame area where the > window has lifted. The metal should (hopefully) act as a heat sink to > protect the window while the Redox should (again, hopefully) soften and > allow the Perspex to re-seat. > Just a thought. It might work! (Before you try it, would you please delete > this email and my address in case it doesn't!) > Best regards, > Ron Jones. > > > ________________________________ Message 4 > _____________________________________ > > > Time: 07:10:23 AM PST US > From: david miller > Subject: Re: Europa-List: Oshkosh > > > Hi Christoph, > > Look forward to meeting up with you and Myron again. > Chris' phone # is 519-494-2741 > > Dave > On 18-Jul-09, at 6:20 PM, Christoph Both wrote: > >> >> >> Hi Dave, >> I will arrive July 30 commercial air. Staying with Myron Haluschak >> until >> AUG 3 on the grounds. Would be nice to meet! Txt cell: 902-691-2709 >> Christoph >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com >> [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of david >> miller >> Sent: Saturday, July 18, 2009 4:31 PM >> To: europa-list@matronics.com >> Subject: Re: Europa-List: Oshkosh >> >> >> >> Erich, >> >> Chris Staines and I will be arriving on Friday 31st, staying for the >> last Saturday and Sunday, at Marian College. >> driving in. >> Hope we do not miss everyone >> >> Dave C-FBZI >> Chris C- GFSY >> >> On 18-Jul-09, at 4:22 PM, Erich Trombley wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> Regarding OSH, myself and Bob Lindsay will be flying out as a >>> flight of two. Our plans, weather permitting, are for Bob to fly >>> up to Las Vegas, NV on Friday, 7/24 with the both us departing for >>> OSH on 7/25. We are planning on arriving OSH on Sunday morning >>> 7/26. I can put together a spreadsheet similar to what I did for >>> Sun-N-Fun so all that are planning on attending will have contact >>> info readily available. A Europa dinner/gathering sounds delightful. >>> >>> Regards, >>> >>> Erich Trombley >>> N28ET Classic Mono 914 >>> >>> ____________________________________________________________ >>> Screen Printing Presses >>> Low Cost Screen Printing Kits, Equipment & Supplies. Free Info. >>> http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2131/c? >>> cp=3rzUY4cXqr0gso_UxC3f6QAAJz1S20ZTAtIc8C9- >>> oX87jWuAAAUAAAAAAAAAABVQ3z7reQGyK8ZOMFLqfqdqkHaDAAAAAA >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> > > > ________________________________ Message 5 > _____________________________________ > > > Time: 08:11:56 AM PST US > From: "Erich Trombley" > Subject: Europa-List: Had A Bad Day with a Perspex Window > > > Hello Richard, > > Sorry to hear about your window. Unfortunately, I don't believe there is > a quick > fix for the problem you have described. Because the Perspex has lifted > from > the door rebate you will find that the cured Redux is shiny and thus will > not > take a bond with new Redux without prepping it first. If you are able to > sand > the exposed Redux you may be able get a good bond. However, without > seeing > the window I can comment of the viability of this scenario. If this is > not > a possibility, I fear you may have to completely remove the window and > remove > the cured Redux., Not too bad of a job with a heat gun. There have been a > few > builders who have replaced windows that can give you better advise on the > process > than I. Just be really careful. Regarding the area that has cured Redux > on the Perspex; carefully sanding this down is probably the best solution. > The Perspex does polish up nicely with restoration, however, you will get > localized > distortion which I believe is unavoidable. I have found that sanding it > up through 1500 grit paper followed by hand polishing works nicely. Good > luck. > > Erich Trombley > N28ET Classic Mono 914 > > ____________________________________________________________ > Certified Financial > Find Certified Financial Advisors Compare Prices And Save! > http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2131/c?cp=3VDfA7kLPFsyg7bnzvZe1gAAJz1S20ZTAtIc8C9-oX87jWuAAAUAAAAAAAAAAB6naD52odR8q_HAFsqU4XRGHpjgAAAAAA > > > ________________________________ Message 6 > _____________________________________ > > > Time: 10:14:25 AM PST US > From: "Bud Yerly" > Subject: Re: Europa-List: Had A Bad Day with a Perspex Window > > Sorry for taking so long to comment. I was out. Flew a Motor Glider > from Tampa To Kansas City. Great trip. > 127 TAS at 4.8 gph at 8500ft. A lot of weather, but not bad. > > On to windows... > Richard, The problem may already be fixed, but here are my two cents: > On the sprung corner, if it is out only 1mm or so, try to fill the > area with clear redux. Keep in mind, that it is not going to bond well > as the surfaces have cured glue on them and are slick. But it will > prevent a large air void and possible separation if filled. I have not > had one sprung in the shop, once when helping someone redoing a door > which was damaged, I saw a void near the handle that was 1.5 inches > around the corner. I suggested he grind the glass closer to level and > he filled the void by injecting in redux, then glassed over the corner, > making his door glass viewing area about 1/2 inch smaller in the corner, > but the glassing of two layers of staggered bid has done the trick. One > other thing I noticed is that the door panel to plexi joint was very > smooth and didn't show a bump in the heat after painting due to > different expansion rates. > > Usually, any redux on the outside of the glass can be flecked off using > a plastic scraper. Sometimes a little heat to get it warm will do the > trick (about 120 degrees F). The plexi will buff out. My windows are a > mess of scratches as they are left-overs or returns... Using grits from > 400 to 2000 then buffing compounds and a good slow buffer did the trick. > Mine still need one more inside and out buffing with anti-swirl > compound and they'll be fine. > > Bud Yerly > Custom FLight > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Flying Farmer > To: europa-list@matronics.com > Sent: Saturday, July 18, 2009 6:11 PM > Subject: Europa-List: Had A Bad Day with a Perspex Window > > > > > > I have had a BAD day with my windows !!! After leaving my perfect > fitted window to cure over night, I have discovered this morning that it > has sprung slightly in the corner near to the handle. > > Is it possible to remove the window in this corner to allow a cleanup > and to re-set it back to as it should be into the rebate? if so, how > without damaging the perspex? > > I have also got a small amount of redux onto the perspex in top > corner. Is their a way to remove it without scratching the Perspex? > > > ================== > > > Thank You > Richard Wheelwright > > > ================== > > > Visit - www.EuropaOwners.org > > > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List avigator?Europa-List> > > > http://www.matronics.com/contribution on> > > > ________________________________ Message 7 > _____________________________________ > > > Time: 12:09:30 PM PST US > From: Paddy Clarke > Subject: Re: Europa-List: Aircraft Covers in U.K. > > Hi Willie, > Good to hear from you. We got back this afternoon from France - a > good trip but needless to say it would have been that much better > with you two there! > I still haven't decided on the material for my covers, I also have a > possibility of using a sort of marquee for the aircraft in the > summer. I will be using an enclosed trailer in the winter. Both these > could well benefit from your dehumidifier. > Hope to see you at a DOTH soon, > All the best, Paddy > On 13 Jul 2009, at 10:34, William Harrison wrote: > >> >> >> Paddy >> >> Mine lives in a weird microclimate inside a WWII nissen hut type >> hanger, with an unsealed floor, where it is frequently very humid >> and sometimes rains condensation. The one discovery I'd like to >> share is that I have found that a chemical dehumidifier (intended >> for caravans) has clearly kept the inside much drier than it was >> previously. This can only be a good thing for the instruments and >> electrics. An incidental benefit is that the misting problem I used >> to have in cold weather has largely gone away (I suspect that the >> upholstery had been acting like a reservoir for water which then >> took 30 minutes of flight to dry out, and in the meantime was >> redistributing the moisture onto the windscreen and side windows). >> >> Good luck finding the right cover. >> >> Willie >> >> >> On 9 Jul 2009, at 20:27, Paddy Clarke wrote: >> >>> Hi Folks, >>> Many thanks to all those who replied. >>> Before deciding on manufacturer I have to decide on which >>> material, due to my use of Polyfibre products. >>> Is there anyone out there who used Polyfibre filler and/or primer >>> and then kept their aircraft outside under covers, who didn't have >>> bubbles appear in the paintwork?. If so, were the covers >>> breathable or not?. >>> Do people who know about Polyfibre think that there are still >>> potential problems in store with a finish completed 8 years ago? >>> Do people think you get condensation under fully waterproof covers? >>> Looking forward to many erudite replies, >>> All the best, paddy >>> On 8 Jul 2009, at 20:30, R Holder wrote: >> >> > > Paddy Clarke > Europa G-KIMM > > > ________________________________ Message 8 > _____________________________________ > > > Time: 01:21:59 PM PST US > Subject: Re: Europa-List: Had A Bad Day with a Perspex Window > From: "Flying Farmer" > > > Crag, Graham, Bud, Erich > > Thank you for the replays, I have tyred some of the suggested methods. > > Graham, the soldering Iron is a good one, but it puts melt lines in > theperspex > and seems impossible to get between the door and the perspex > > I have tyred heating with an hair dryer, This works too, carefully lifting > the > perspex off the door. but I feel it will not be enough to clean up the > corner > to get a good bond again. > > Bud, If I sand it down, there will be no window left to make a small bid > layup > and will look bad on the position it is in on my Europa. > > I feel the only way would be to completely remove the window and start > again. > > > =========================================== > > > Thank You > Richard Wheelwright > > =========================================== > > > Visit - www.EuropaOwners.org > > > ________________________________ Message 9 > _____________________________________ > > > Time: 02:13:38 PM PST US > Subject: Re: Europa-List: Had A Bad Day with a Perspex Window > From: "rparigoris" > > > Hi Richard > > I am not sure I understand if your lifting Perplex is on the door or front > windscreen, > doesn't matter, could you put in an Ultimate ventilator in that area? > > http://www.europaowners.org/modules.php?set_albumName=album277&op=modload&name=gallery&file=index&include=view_album.php > > If above not feasible, if it is in the corner where if you were to make > window > smaller and visability would be acceptable, you could cut out lifting > corner out > and re-establish a rebate with some glass. I would lay up first ply wet > out > with Redux, then peel ply, after cure use aeropoxy plies. > > Good luck > Ron Parigoris > > Ron Parigoris > > > Visit - www.EuropaOwners.org > > > ________________________________ Message 10 > ____________________________________ > > > Time: 06:13:00 PM PST US > From: Karl Heindl > Subject: RE: Europa-List: Had A Bad Day with a Perspex Window > > > Ron=2C that's a good idea. I had a disaster situation where the open door > f > ried near a 500W > > halogen ceiling lamp. I cried=2C but then I had the bright idea of fitting > a ventilator in that location. which was just behind my head . It worked > ou > t well as it extracts the incoming air from the Naca scoops. > > > Karl > > >> Subject: Re: Europa-List: Had A Bad Day with a Perspex Window >> From: rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us >> Date: Mon=2C 20 Jul 2009 00:13:47 +0300 >> To: europa-list@matronics.com >> > us> >> >> Hi Richard >> >> I am not sure I understand if your lifting Perplex is on the door or fron > t windscreen=2C doesn't matter=2C could you put in an Ultimate ventilator > i > n that area? >> >> http://www.europaowners.org/modules.php?set_albumName=album277&op=mod > load&name=gallery&file=index&include=view_album.php >> >> If above not feasible=2C if it is in the corner where if you were to make > window smaller and visability would be acceptable=2C you could cut out lif > ting corner out and re-establish a rebate with some glass. I would lay up > f > irst ply wet out with Redux=2C then peel ply=2C after cure use aeropoxy > pli > es. >> >> Good luck >> Ron Parigoris >> >> Ron Parigoris >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Visit - www.EuropaOwners.org >> >> >> >> >> > ========== > ========== > ========== > ========== >> >> >> > > ________________________________ Message 11 > ____________________________________ > > > Time: 07:45:09 PM PST US > Subject: Europa-List: How do you purge oil cooler with an oil thermostat > From: rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us > > > Curiosity question, how do you best purge an oil cooler on a 91X if you > have an oil thermostat? > > Thx. > Ron Parigoris > > > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 04:37:25 AM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: Had A Bad Day with a Perspex Window From: "Flying Farmer" Well, A Bad window day just turned into a [b:d355cc4bf9]DESASTER!!![/b:d355cc4bf9] The Sprung corner of my Port Door window is in the corner where the handle is, and the handle touched the Perspex on operating the handle, my thoughts where to reset the corner back down. I tried all the suggested option to release the Perspex from the door (Thank You for the suggestions), to allow a cleanup and to re-set the window. The heating from the hair dryer works well, gently lifting the Perspex with a small flat thin paint scraper, Until [b:d355cc4bf9]DESATER!!! Strikes[/b:d355cc4bf9]. I probably prised the Perspex a little too hard, and you know what comes next!!! Yes Snap, Crack HO S**T you have done it now. :oops: Yes the corner has snap off. Ok. Well its broken now. Get over it. So my Question to the list is, an option of parts required. I have spoke to Roger at the Factory, and advised that the factory dont supply the brown tint windows ( Bronze) any more, but may be able to get one to match from there suppler. His first suggestion was to ask on the forum to see if any one had a Port, Bronze Window? Below is list of my now options, If any one can help please contact me rpwheelwright@yahoo.co.uk tel. 0044 (0)1422 376056 UK 1 Port Bronze door window 1 Complete Port door from a no longer flying Europa XS. A Kicking around the workshop for me. ============================================ Thank You Richard Wheelwright ============================================ Visit - www.EuropaOwners.org Attachments: http://www.europaowners.org//zfiles/desaster_699.jpg ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 04:52:43 AM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: Add name to spread sheet Oshkosh attendees From: Peter Zutrauen I'll also be there, TT'ing it in the front yard of the last private house closest to the tower (near the bus stop). Cheers, Pete A239 Ottawa, Can still a pile of parts :-) On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 4:11 AM, Cleve Lee wrote: > > Hello Erich, > > If you will be preparing a list of attendees, would you please include > myself. > > Cleve Lee > A198 - Mono XS Jabiru 3300 (Currently in the UK but returning with the > project to Detroit area shortly.) > Contact Phone: (011) 44 776 561 2283 Mobile E-mail: > cleve.lee@mobileemail.vodafone.net > I'll have an RV in Camp Schoeller (likely with an available bed if it pours > one night and someone tenting wants to get a dryer night sleep... . A buddy > and I will be arriving for Thursday the 30th through Saturday. Please let > me know if a dinner is scheduled anywhere. > > Thanks, > Cleve > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Europa-List Digest Server" < > europa-list@matronics.com> > To: "Europa-List Digest List" > Sent: Monday, July 20, 2009 7:57 AM > Subject: Europa-List Digest: 11 Msgs - 07/19/09 > > > * >> >> ================================================= >> Online Versions of Today's List Digest Archive >> ================================================= >> >> Today's complete Europa-List Digest can also be found in either of the >> two Web Links listed below. The .html file includes the Digest formatted >> in HTML for viewing with a web browser and features Hyperlinked Indexes >> and Message Navigation. The .txt file includes the plain ASCII version >> of the Europa-List Digest and can be viewed with a generic text editor >> such as Notepad or with a web browser. >> >> HTML Version: >> >> >> >> http://www.matronics.com/digest/digestview.php?Style=82701&View=html&Chapter 09-07-19&Archive=Europa >> >> Text Version: >> >> >> >> http://www.matronics.com/digest/digestview.php?Style=82701&View=txt&Chapter 09-07-19&Archive=Europa >> >> >> =============================================== >> EMail Version of Today's List Digest Archive >> =============================================== >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------- >> Europa-List Digest Archive >> --- >> Total Messages Posted Sun 07/19/09: 11 >> ---------------------------------------------------------- >> >> >> Today's Message Index: >> ---------------------- >> >> 1. 02:26 AM - Europa classic-mono: rudder-pedals movement (Frank >> Kusserow) >> 2. 04:52 AM - Re: Oshkosh (David Conrad) >> 3. 05:29 AM - Re: Had A Bad Day with a Perspex Window (Ron Jones) >> 4. 07:10 AM - Re: Oshkosh (david miller) >> 5. 08:11 AM - Had A Bad Day with a Perspex Window (Erich Trombley) >> 6. 10:14 AM - Re: Had A Bad Day with a Perspex Window (Bud Yerly) >> 7. 12:09 PM - Re: Aircraft Covers in U.K. (Paddy Clarke) >> 8. 01:21 PM - Re: Had A Bad Day with a Perspex Window (Flying Farmer) >> 9. 02:13 PM - Re: Had A Bad Day with a Perspex Window (rparigoris) >> 10. 06:13 PM - Re: Had A Bad Day with a Perspex Window (Karl Heindl) >> 11. 07:45 PM - How do you purge oil cooler with an oil thermostat ( >> rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us) >> >> >> >> ________________________________ Message 1 >> _____________________________________ >> >> >> Time: 02:26:40 AM PST US >> From: "Frank Kusserow" >> Subject: Europa-List: Europa classic-mono: rudder-pedals movement >> >> Dear Community, >> >> I would like to move my rudder-pedals on my classic mono forward in >> order have a better seating. >> I still have some room to the firewall inside with fully pushed pedals, >> but outside I am too close to the original Europa muffler. >> I believe this problem has been posted on the forum before - does any >> one have a solution to this? >> I am thinking of a different muffler construction or a different pedal >> construction at this moment. >> Thank you for your kind feedback >> >> Best regards, >> >> Frank Kusserow >> ---------------------- >> D-EJWD >> Classic, Mono, 912UL >> >> ________________________________ Message 2 >> _____________________________________ >> >> >> Time: 04:52:13 AM PST US >> From: David Conrad >> Subject: Re: Europa-List: Oshkosh >> >> I'll be at OSHKOSH starting Saturday morning, July 24th thru Friday >> morning >> July 31st. >> I'll have a rental car, and plan to be camping down in the Ultralight >> Area. >> I'll be bringing a powered paraglider with me to fly in the mornings durin >> g the show. With me will be my wife Sue, and daughter Kimberly (26). >> >> Dave Conrad, A078 >> Mono, 914, short & long wings >> A long way to go in the build >> (513) 886 - 0481 Cell >> >> --- On Sat, 7/18/09, Erich Trombley wrote: >> >> From: Erich Trombley >> Subject: Europa-List: Oshkosh >> >> m> >> >> Regarding OSH, myself and Bob Lindsay will be flying out as a flight of >> two >> .- Our plans, weather permitting, are for Bob to fly up to Las Vegas, NV >> on Friday, 7/24 with the both us departing for OSH on 7/25.- We are plann >> ing on arriving OSH on Sunday morning- 7/26.- I can put together a spre >> adsheet similar to what I did for Sun-N-Fun so all that are planning on >> att >> ending will have contact info readily available.- A Europa dinner/gatheri >> ng sounds delightful. >> >> Regards, >> >> Erich Trombley >> N28ET Classic Mono 914 >> >> ____________________________________________________________ >> Screen Printing Presses >> Low Cost Screen Printing Kits, Equipment & Supplies. Free Info. >> http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2131/c?cp=3rzUY4cXqr0gso_UxC3f6QAAJz1 >> S20ZTAtIc8C9-oX87jWuAAAUAAAAAAAAAABVQ3z7reQGyK8ZOMFLqfqdqkHaDAAAAAA >> >> >> le, List Admin. >> >> >> =0A=0A=0A >> >> ________________________________ Message 3 >> _____________________________________ >> >> >> Time: 05:29:41 AM PST US >> From: "Ron Jones" >> Subject: Re: Europa-List: Had A Bad Day with a Perspex Window >> >> >> Hello Richard, >> Sorry to hear about the problem with the "sprung" window. >> I'm sure you will already have thought that heat is probably the only >> "treatment". The problem is that both the Redox and the Perspex will >> soften. >> The question as I see it is which softens first? >> I haven't tried it but wonder if this might work. Cut a piece of metal >> (ally, 1/8th thick, e.g.) to the shape of the area affected and a piece of >> wood (ply e.g.) the same. Take another chunk of wood (2"x1"e.g.) to bridge >> across the inside corner of the door and, using a G cramp, clamp the whole >> thing together . With a hair drier, warm up the door-frame area where the >> window has lifted. The metal should (hopefully) act as a heat sink to >> protect the window while the Redox should (again, hopefully) soften and >> allow the Perspex to re-seat. >> Just a thought. It might work! (Before you try it, would you please delete >> this email and my address in case it doesn't!) >> Best regards, >> Ron Jones. >> >> >> ________________________________ Message 4 >> _____________________________________ >> >> >> Time: 07:10:23 AM PST US >> From: david miller >> Subject: Re: Europa-List: Oshkosh >> >> >> Hi Christoph, >> >> Look forward to meeting up with you and Myron again. >> Chris' phone # is 519-494-2741 >> >> Dave >> On 18-Jul-09, at 6:20 PM, Christoph Both wrote: >> >> >>> >>> Hi Dave, >>> I will arrive July 30 commercial air. Staying with Myron Haluschak >>> until >>> AUG 3 on the grounds. Would be nice to meet! Txt cell: 902-691-2709 >>> Christoph >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com >>> [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of david >>> miller >>> Sent: Saturday, July 18, 2009 4:31 PM >>> To: europa-list@matronics.com >>> Subject: Re: Europa-List: Oshkosh >>> >>> >>> >>> Erich, >>> >>> Chris Staines and I will be arriving on Friday 31st, staying for the >>> last Saturday and Sunday, at Marian College. >>> driving in. >>> Hope we do not miss everyone >>> >>> Dave C-FBZI >>> Chris C- GFSY >>> >>> On 18-Jul-09, at 4:22 PM, Erich Trombley wrote: >>> >>> >>>> >>>> Regarding OSH, myself and Bob Lindsay will be flying out as a >>>> flight of two. Our plans, weather permitting, are for Bob to fly >>>> up to Las Vegas, NV on Friday, 7/24 with the both us departing for >>>> OSH on 7/25. We are planning on arriving OSH on Sunday morning >>>> 7/26. I can put together a spreadsheet similar to what I did for >>>> Sun-N-Fun so all that are planning on attending will have contact >>>> info readily available. A Europa dinner/gathering sounds delightful. >>>> >>>> Regards, >>>> >>>> Erich Trombley >>>> N28ET Classic Mono 914 >>>> >>>> ____________________________________________________________ >>>> Screen Printing Presses >>>> Low Cost Screen Printing Kits, Equipment & Supplies. Free Info. >>>> http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2131/c? >>>> cp=3rzUY4cXqr0gso_UxC3f6QAAJz1S20ZTAtIc8C9- >>>> oX87jWuAAAUAAAAAAAAAABVQ3z7reQGyK8ZOMFLqfqdqkHaDAAAAAA >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >> >> ________________________________ Message 5 >> _____________________________________ >> >> >> Time: 08:11:56 AM PST US >> From: "Erich Trombley" >> Subject: Europa-List: Had A Bad Day with a Perspex Window >> >> >> Hello Richard, >> >> Sorry to hear about your window. Unfortunately, I don't believe there is >> a quick >> fix for the problem you have described. Because the Perspex has lifted >> from >> the door rebate you will find that the cured Redux is shiny and thus will >> not >> take a bond with new Redux without prepping it first. If you are able to >> sand >> the exposed Redux you may be able get a good bond. However, without >> seeing >> the window I can comment of the viability of this scenario. If this is >> not >> a possibility, I fear you may have to completely remove the window and >> remove >> the cured Redux., Not too bad of a job with a heat gun. There have been a >> few >> builders who have replaced windows that can give you better advise on the >> process >> than I. Just be really careful. Regarding the area that has cured Redux >> on the Perspex; carefully sanding this down is probably the best solution. >> The Perspex does polish up nicely with restoration, however, you will get >> localized >> distortion which I believe is unavoidable. I have found that sanding it >> up through 1500 grit paper followed by hand polishing works nicely. Good >> luck. >> >> Erich Trombley >> N28ET Classic Mono 914 >> >> ____________________________________________________________ >> Certified Financial >> Find Certified Financial Advisors Compare Prices And Save! >> >> http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2131/c?cp=3VDfA7kLPFsyg7bnzvZe1gAAJz1S20ZTAtIc8C9-oX87jWuAAAUAAAAAAAAAAB6naD52odR8q_HAFsqU4XRGHpjgAAAAAA >> >> >> ________________________________ Message 6 >> _____________________________________ >> >> >> Time: 10:14:25 AM PST US >> From: "Bud Yerly" >> Subject: Re: Europa-List: Had A Bad Day with a Perspex Window >> >> Sorry for taking so long to comment. I was out. Flew a Motor Glider >> from Tampa To Kansas City. Great trip. >> 127 TAS at 4.8 gph at 8500ft. A lot of weather, but not bad. >> >> On to windows... >> Richard, The problem may already be fixed, but here are my two cents: >> On the sprung corner, if it is out only 1mm or so, try to fill the >> area with clear redux. Keep in mind, that it is not going to bond well >> as the surfaces have cured glue on them and are slick. But it will >> prevent a large air void and possible separation if filled. I have not >> had one sprung in the shop, once when helping someone redoing a door >> which was damaged, I saw a void near the handle that was 1.5 inches >> around the corner. I suggested he grind the glass closer to level and >> he filled the void by injecting in redux, then glassed over the corner, >> making his door glass viewing area about 1/2 inch smaller in the corner, >> but the glassing of two layers of staggered bid has done the trick. One >> other thing I noticed is that the door panel to plexi joint was very >> smooth and didn't show a bump in the heat after painting due to >> different expansion rates. >> >> Usually, any redux on the outside of the glass can be flecked off using >> a plastic scraper. Sometimes a little heat to get it warm will do the >> trick (about 120 degrees F). The plexi will buff out. My windows are a >> mess of scratches as they are left-overs or returns... Using grits from >> 400 to 2000 then buffing compounds and a good slow buffer did the trick. >> Mine still need one more inside and out buffing with anti-swirl >> compound and they'll be fine. >> >> Bud Yerly >> Custom FLight >> ----- Original Message ----- From: Flying Farmer> rpwheelwright@yahoo.co.uk> >> To: europa-list@matronics.com >> Sent: Saturday, July 18, 2009 6:11 PM >> Subject: Europa-List: Had A Bad Day with a Perspex Window >> >> >> > >> >> I have had a BAD day with my windows !!! After leaving my perfect >> fitted window to cure over night, I have discovered this morning that it >> has sprung slightly in the corner near to the handle. >> >> Is it possible to remove the window in this corner to allow a cleanup >> and to re-set it back to as it should be into the rebate? if so, how >> without damaging the perspex? >> >> I have also got a small amount of redux onto the perspex in top >> corner. Is their a way to remove it without scratching the Perspex? >> >> >> ================== >> >> >> Thank You >> Richard Wheelwright >> >> >> ================== >> >> >> Visit - www.EuropaOwners.org >> >> >> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List> avigator?Europa-List> >> >> >> http://www.matronics.com/contribution> on> >> >> >> ________________________________ Message 7 >> _____________________________________ >> >> >> Time: 12:09:30 PM PST US >> From: Paddy Clarke >> Subject: Re: Europa-List: Aircraft Covers in U.K. >> >> Hi Willie, >> Good to hear from you. We got back this afternoon from France - a >> good trip but needless to say it would have been that much better >> with you two there! >> I still haven't decided on the material for my covers, I also have a >> possibility of using a sort of marquee for the aircraft in the >> summer. I will be using an enclosed trailer in the winter. Both these >> could well benefit from your dehumidifier. >> Hope to see you at a DOTH soon, >> All the best, Paddy >> On 13 Jul 2009, at 10:34, William Harrison wrote: >> >> >>> >>> Paddy >>> >>> Mine lives in a weird microclimate inside a WWII nissen hut type >>> hanger, with an unsealed floor, where it is frequently very humid >>> and sometimes rains condensation. The one discovery I'd like to >>> share is that I have found that a chemical dehumidifier (intended >>> for caravans) has clearly kept the inside much drier than it was >>> previously. This can only be a good thing for the instruments and >>> electrics. An incidental benefit is that the misting problem I used >>> to have in cold weather has largely gone away (I suspect that the >>> upholstery had been acting like a reservoir for water which then >>> took 30 minutes of flight to dry out, and in the meantime was >>> redistributing the moisture onto the windscreen and side windows). >>> >>> Good luck finding the right cover. >>> >>> Willie >>> >>> >>> On 9 Jul 2009, at 20:27, Paddy Clarke wrote: >>> >>> Hi Folks, >>>> Many thanks to all those who replied. >>>> Before deciding on manufacturer I have to decide on which >>>> material, due to my use of Polyfibre products. >>>> Is there anyone out there who used Polyfibre filler and/or primer >>>> and then kept their aircraft outside under covers, who didn't have >>>> bubbles appear in the paintwork?. If so, were the covers >>>> breathable or not?. >>>> Do people who know about Polyfibre think that there are still >>>> potential problems in store with a finish completed 8 years ago? >>>> Do people think you get condensation under fully waterproof covers? >>>> Looking forward to many erudite replies, >>>> All the best, paddy >>>> On 8 Jul 2009, at 20:30, R Holder wrote: >>>> >>> >>> >>> >> Paddy Clarke >> Europa G-KIMM >> >> >> ________________________________ Message 8 >> _____________________________________ >> >> >> Time: 01:21:59 PM PST US >> Subject: Re: Europa-List: Had A Bad Day with a Perspex Window >> From: "Flying Farmer" >> >> >> Crag, Graham, Bud, Erich >> >> Thank you for the replays, I have tyred some of the suggested methods. >> >> Graham, the soldering Iron is a good one, but it puts melt lines in >> theperspex >> and seems impossible to get between the door and the perspex >> >> I have tyred heating with an hair dryer, This works too, carefully lifting >> the >> perspex off the door. but I feel it will not be enough to clean up the >> corner >> to get a good bond again. >> >> Bud, If I sand it down, there will be no window left to make a small bid >> layup >> and will look bad on the position it is in on my Europa. >> >> I feel the only way would be to completely remove the window and start >> again. >> >> >> =========================================== >> >> >> Thank You >> Richard Wheelwright >> >> =========================================== >> >> >> Visit - www.EuropaOwners.org >> >> >> ________________________________ Message 9 >> _____________________________________ >> >> >> Time: 02:13:38 PM PST US >> Subject: Re: Europa-List: Had A Bad Day with a Perspex Window >> From: "rparigoris" >> >> >> Hi Richard >> >> I am not sure I understand if your lifting Perplex is on the door or front >> windscreen, >> doesn't matter, could you put in an Ultimate ventilator in that area? >> >> >> http://www.europaowners.org/modules.php?set_albumName=album277&op=modload&name=gallery&file=index&include=view_album.php >> >> If above not feasible, if it is in the corner where if you were to make >> window >> smaller and visability would be acceptable, you could cut out lifting >> corner out >> and re-establish a rebate with some glass. I would lay up first ply wet >> out >> with Redux, then peel ply, after cure use aeropoxy plies. >> >> Good luck >> Ron Parigoris >> >> Ron Parigoris >> >> >> Visit - www.EuropaOwners.org >> >> >> ________________________________ Message 10 >> ____________________________________ >> >> >> Time: 06:13:00 PM PST US >> From: Karl Heindl >> Subject: RE: Europa-List: Had A Bad Day with a Perspex Window >> >> >> Ron=2C that's a good idea. I had a disaster situation where the open door >> f >> ried near a 500W >> >> halogen ceiling lamp. I cried=2C but then I had the bright idea of fitting >> a ventilator in that location. which was just behind my head . It worked >> ou >> t well as it extracts the incoming air from the Naca scoops. >> >> >> Karl >> >> >> Subject: Re: Europa-List: Had A Bad Day with a Perspex Window >>> From: rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us >>> Date: Mon=2C 20 Jul 2009 00:13:47 +0300 >>> To: europa-list@matronics.com >>> >>> us> >> >>> >>> Hi Richard >>> >>> I am not sure I understand if your lifting Perplex is on the door or fron >>> >> t windscreen=2C doesn't matter=2C could you put in an Ultimate ventilator >> i >> n that area? >> >>> >>> http://www.europaowners.org/modules.php?set_albumName=album277&op=mod >>> >> load&name=gallery&file=index&include=view_album.php >> >>> >>> If above not feasible=2C if it is in the corner where if you were to make >>> >> window smaller and visability would be acceptable=2C you could cut out lif >> ting corner out and re-establish a rebate with some glass. I would lay up >> f >> irst ply wet out with Redux=2C then peel ply=2C after cure use aeropoxy >> pli >> es. >> >>> >>> Good luck >>> Ron Parigoris >>> >>> Ron Parigoris >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Visit - www.EuropaOwners.org >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ========== >> ========== >> ========== >> ========== >> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> ________________________________ Message 11 >> ____________________________________ >> >> >> Time: 07:45:09 PM PST US >> Subject: Europa-List: How do you purge oil cooler with an oil thermostat >> From: rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us >> >> >> Curiosity question, how do you best purge an oil cooler on a 91X if you >> have an oil thermostat? >> >> Thx. >> Ron Parigoris >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 05:20:19 AM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: Add name to spread sheet Oshkosh attendees From: Paul McAllister Hi Erich, I will be camping from Sunday through Thursday. I won't be flying in this year as I am still working on the cooling modifications on my XS Cell is 262 993 4483 Paul ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 06:47:39 AM PST US From: Bob Borger Subject: Re: Europa-List: Add name to spread sheet Oshkosh attendees Gents, I will be there from Sunday (26) through Thursday (30). Unfortunately, The Little Dragon Lady (my Europa) is still down awaiting final fix of the throttle cables and I've lost my other airplane ride so I'm flying to Chicago and driving up from there. But at least I will have wheels for the stay. Should anyone require transport about the KOSH area feel free to give me a call: 817-992-1117. I'm staying at a private residence about 1/2 block off the terminal building. I also have e-mail access through my iPhone. Perhaps we can arrange an early week meeting for those of us in for the first half and a second meeting for those coming in for the 2nd half. See you there, Bob Borger On Monday, July 20, 2009, at 06:50AM, "Peter Zutrauen" wrote: > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 12:16:11 PM PST US From: david miller Subject: Re: Europa-List: Add name to spread sheet Oshkosh attendees Paul, We will be driving in on Friday, can you send me address and directions, will drop the prop off on the way through. Dave do not archive On 20-Jul-09, at 8:15 AM, Paul McAllister wrote: > Hi Erich, > > I will be camping from Sunday through Thursday. I won't be flying > in this year as I am still working on the cooling modifications on > my XS > > Cell is 262 993 4483 > > Paul > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 02:40:20 PM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: Add name to spread sheet Oshkosh attendees From: sldpileit@aol.com Guys and Gals,? just in case I didn't get put on the spreed sheet. I also will be attending from the 27th thru the 29th.? N108EA will be staying home.? My cell phone is 937-416-8080. Scott L. Dingman USAF (RET) -----Original Message----- From: Bob Borger Sent: Mon, Jul 20, 2009 9:22 am Subject: Re: Europa-List: Add name to spread sheet Oshkosh attendees Gents, I will be there from Sunday (26) through Thursday (30). Unfortunately, The Little Dragon Lady (my Europa) is still down awaiting final fix of the throttle cables and I've lost my other airplane ride so I'm flying to Chicago and driving up from there. But at least I will have wheels for the stay. Should anyone require transport about the KOSH area feel free to give me a call: 817-992-1117. I'm staying at a private residence about 1/2 block off the terminal building. I also have e-mail access through my iPhone. Perhaps we can arrange an early week meeting for those of us in for the first half and a second meeting for those coming in for the 2nd half. See you there, Bob Borger On Monday, July 20, 2009, at 06:50AM, "Peter Zutrauen" wrote: > I'll also be there, TT'ing? it in the front yard of the last private house closest to the tower (near the bus stop). Cheers, Pete A239 Ottawa, Can still a pile of parts :-) On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 4:11 AM, Cleve Lee wrote: Hello Erich, If you will be preparing a list of attendees, would you please include myself. Cleve Lee A198 - Mono XS Jabiru 3300 (Currently in the UK but returning with the project to Detroit area shortly.) Contact Phone: (011) 44 776 561 2283 ?Mobile E-mail: cleve.lee@mobileemail.vodafone.net I'll have an RV in Camp Schoeller (likely with an available bed if it pours one night and someone tenting wants to get a dryer night sleep... . ?A buddy and I will be arriving for Thursday the 30th through Saturday. ?Please let me know if a dinner is scheduled anywhere. Thanks, Cleve ----- Original Message ----- From: "Europa-List Digest Server" Sent: Monday, July 20, 2009 7:57 AM Subject: Europa-List Digest: 11 Msgs - 07/19/09 * ?Online Versions of Today's List Digest Archive Today's complete Europa-List Digest can also be found in either of the two Web Links listed below. ?The .html file includes the Digest formatted in HTML for viewing with a web browser and features Hyperlinked Indexes and Message Navigation. ?The .txt file includes the plain ASCII version of the Europa-List Digest and can be viewed with a generic text editor such as Notepad or with a web browser. 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I still have some room to the firewall inside with fully pushed pedals, but outside I am too close to the original Europa muffler. I believe this problem has been posted on the forum before - does any one have a solution to this? I am thinking of a different muffler construction or a different pedal construction at this moment. Thank you for your kind feedback Best regards, Frank Kusserow ---------------------- D-EJWD Classic, Mono, 912UL ________________________________ ?Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 04:52:13 AM PST US From: David Conrad Subject: Re: Europa-List: Oshkosh I'll be at OSHKOSH starting Saturday morning, July 24th thru Friday morning July 31st. I'll have a rental car, and plan to be camping down in the Ultralight Area. I'll be bringing a powered paraglider with me to fly in the mornings durin g the show. With me will be my wife Sue, and daughter Kimberly (26). Dave Conrad, A078 Mono, 914, short & long wings A long way to go in the build (513) 886 - 0481 Cell --- On Sat, 7/18/09, Erich Trombley wrote: From: Erich Trombley Subject: Europa-List: Oshkosh m> Regarding OSH, myself and Bob Lindsay will be flying out as a flight of two .- Our plans, weather permitting, are for Bob to fly up to Las Vegas, NV on Friday, 7/24 with the both us departing for OSH on 7/25.- We are plann ing on arriving OSH on Sunday morning- 7/26.- I can put together a spre adsheet similar to what I did for Sun-N-Fun so all that are planning on att ending will have contact info readily available.- A Europa dinner/gatheri ng sounds delightful. Regards, Erich Trombley N28ET Classic Mono 914 ____________________________________________________________ Screen Printing Presses Low Cost Screen Printing Kits, Equipment & Supplies. Free Info. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2131/c?cp=3rzUY4cXqr0gso_UxC3f6QAAJz1 S20ZTAtIc8C9-oX87jWuAAAUAAAAAAAAAABVQ3z7reQGyK8ZOMFLqfqdqkHaDAAAAAA le, List Admin. =0A=0A=0A ________________________________ ?Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 05:29:41 AM PST US From: "Ron Jones" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Had A Bad Day with a Perspex Window Hello Richard, Sorry to hear about the problem with the "sprung" window. I'm sure you will already have thought that heat is probably the only "treatment". The problem is that both the Redox and the Perspex will soften. The question as I see it is which softens first? I haven't tried it but wonder if this might work. Cut a piece of metal (ally, 1/8th thick, e.g.) to the shape of the area affected and a piece of wood (ply e.g.) the same. Take another chunk of wood (2"x1"e.g.) to bridge across the inside corner of the door and, using a G cramp, clamp the whole thing together . With a hair drier, warm up the door-frame area where the window has lifted. The metal should (hopefully) act as a heat sink to protect the window while the Redox should (again, hopefully) soften and allow the Perspex to re-seat. Just a thought. It might work! (Before you try it, would you please delete this email and my address in case it doesn't!) Best regards, Ron Jones. ________________________________ ?Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 07:10:23 AM PST US From: david miller Subject: Re: Europa-List: Oshkosh Hi Christoph, Look forward to meeting up with you and Myron again. Chris' phone # is 519-494-2741 Dave On 18-Jul-09, at 6:20 PM, Christoph Both wrote: Hi Dave, I will arrive July 30 commercial air. Staying with Myron Haluschak until AUG 3 on the grounds. Would be nice to meet! Txt cell: 902-691-2709 Christoph -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of david miller Sent: Saturday, July 18, 2009 4:31 PM Subject: Re: Europa-List: Oshkosh Erich, Chris Staines and I will be arriving on Friday 31st, staying for the last Saturday and Sunday, at Marian College. driving in. Hope we do not miss everyone Dave C-FBZI Chris C- GFSY On 18-Jul-09, at 4:22 PM, Erich Trombley wrote: Regarding OSH, myself and Bob Lindsay will be flying out as a flight of two. ?Our plans, weather permitting, are for Bob to fly up to Las Vegas, NV on Friday, 7/24 with the both us departing for OSH on 7/25. ?We are planning on arriving OSH on Sunday morning 7/26. ?I can put together a spreadsheet similar to what I did for Sun-N-Fun so all that are planning on attending will have contact info readily available. ?A Europa dinner/gathering sounds delightful. Regards, Erich Trombley N28ET Classic Mono 914 ____________________________________________________________ Screen Printing Presses Low Cost Screen Printing Kits, Equipment & Supplies. Free Info. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2131/c? cp=3rzUY4cXqr0gso_UxC3f6QAAJz1S20ZTAtIc8C9- oX87jWuAAAUAAAAAAAAAABVQ3z7reQGyK8ZOMFLqfqdqkHaDAAAAAA ________________________________ ?Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 08:11:56 AM PST US From: "Erich Trombley" Subject: Europa-List: Had A Bad Day with a Perspex Window Hello Richard, Sorry to hear about your window. ?Unfortunately, I don't believe there is a quick fix for the problem you have described. ?Because the Perspex has lifted from the door rebate you will find that the cured Redux is shiny and thus will not take a bond with new ?Redux without prepping it first. ?If you are able to sand the exposed Redux you may be able get a good bond. ?However, without seeing the window I can comment of the viability of this scenario. ?If this is not a possibility, I fear you may have to completely remove the window and remove the cured Redux., Not too bad of a job with a heat gun. ?There have been a few builders who have replaced windows that can give you better advise on the process than I. ?Just be really careful. ? Regarding the area that has cured Redux on the Perspex; carefully sanding this down is probably the best solution. The Perspex does polish up nicely with restoration, however, you will get localized distortion which I believe is unavoidable. ?I have found that sanding it up through 1500 grit paper followed by hand polishing works nicely. ?Good luck. Erich Trombley N28ET Classic Mono 914 ____________________________________________________________ Certified Financial Find Certified Financial Advisors Compare Prices And Save! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2131/c?cp=3VDfA7kLPFsyg7bnzvZe1gAAJz1S20ZTAtIc8C9-oX87jWuAAAUAAAAAAAAAAB6naD52odR8q_HAFsqU4XRGHpjgAAAAAA= ________________________________ ?Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 10:14:25 AM PST US From: "Bud Yerly" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Had A Bad Day with a Perspex Window Sorry for taking so long to comment. ?I was out. ?Flew a Motor Glider from Tampa To Kansas City. ?Great trip. 127 TAS at 4.8 gph at 8500ft. ?A lot of weather, but not bad. On to windows... Richard, The problem may already be fixed, but here are my two cents: ? On the sprung corner, if it is out only 1mm or so, try to fill the area with clear redux. ?Keep in mind, that it is not going to bond well as the surfaces have cured glue on them and are slick. ?But it will prevent a large air void and possible separation if filled. ?I have not had one sprung in the shop, once when helping someone redoing a door which was damaged, I saw a void near the handle that was 1.5 inches around the corner. ?I suggested he grind the glass closer to level and he filled the void by injecting in redux, then glassed over the corner, making his door glass viewing area about 1/2 inch smaller in the corner, but the glassing of two layers of staggered bid has done the trick. ?One other thing I noticed is that the door panel to plexi joint was very smooth and didn't show a bump in the heat after painting due to different expansion rates. Usually, any redux on the outside of the glass can be flecked off using a plastic scraper. ?Sometimes a little heat to get it warm will do the trick (about 120 degrees F). ?The plexi will buff out. ?My windows are a mess of scratches as they are left-overs or returns... ?Using grits from 400 to 2000 then buffing compounds and a good slow buffer did the trick. Mine still need one more inside and out buffing with anti-swirl compound and they'll be fine. Bud Yerly Custom FLight ?----- Original Message ----- ?From: Flying Farmer ?To: europa-list@matronics.com ?Sent: Saturday, July 18, 2009 6:11 PM ?Subject: Europa-List: Had A Bad Day with a Perspex Window > ?I have had a BAD day with my windows !!! After leaving my perfect fitted window to cure over night, I have discovered this morning that it has sprung slightly in the corner near to the handle. ?Is it possible to remove the window in this corner to allow a cleanup and to re-set it back to as it should be into the rebate? if so, how without damaging the perspex? ?I have also got a small amount of redux onto the perspex in top corner. Is their a way to remove it without scratching the Perspex? ================== ?Thank You ?Richard Wheelwright ================== ?Visit - ?www.EuropaOwners.org http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ ?Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 12:09:30 PM PST US From: Paddy Clarke Subject: Re: Europa-List: Aircraft Covers in U.K. Hi Willie, Good to hear from you. We got back this afternoon from France - a good trip but needless to say it would have been that much better with you two there! I still haven't decided on the material for my covers, I also have a possibility of using a sort of marquee for the aircraft in the summer. I will be using an enclosed trailer in the winter. Both these could well benefit from your dehumidifier. Hope to see you at a DOTH soon, All the best, Paddy On 13 Jul 2009, at 10:34, William Harrison wrote: Paddy Mine lives in a weird microclimate inside a WWII nissen hut type hanger, with an unsealed floor, where it is frequently very humid and sometimes rains condensation. The one discovery I'd like to share is that I have found that a chemical dehumidifier (intended for caravans) has clearly kept the inside much drier than it was previously. This can only be a good thing for the instruments and electrics. An incidental benefit is that the misting problem I used to have in cold weather has largely gone away (I suspect that the upholstery had been acting like a reservoir for water which then took 30 minutes of flight to dry out, and in the meantime was redistributing the moisture onto the windscreen and side windows). Good luck finding the right cover. Willie On 9 Jul 2009, at 20:27, Paddy Clarke wrote: Hi Folks, Many thanks to all those who replied. Before deciding on manufacturer I have to decide on which material, due to my use of Polyfibre products. Is there anyone out there who used Polyfibre filler and/or primer and then kept their aircraft outside under covers, who didn't have bubbles appear in the paintwork?. If so, were the covers breathable or not?. Do people who know about Polyfibre think that there are still potential problems in store with a finish completed 8 years ago? Do people think you get condensation under fully waterproof covers? Looking forward to many erudite replies, All the best, paddy On 8 Jul 2009, at 20:30, R Holder wrote: Paddy Clarke Europa G-KIMM ________________________________ ?Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 01:21:59 PM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: Had A Bad Day with a Perspex Window From: "Flying Farmer" Crag, Graham, Bud, Erich Thank you for the replays, I have tyred some of the suggested methods. Graham, the soldering Iron is a good one, but it puts melt lines in theperspex and seems impossible to get between the door and the perspex I have tyred heating with an hair dryer, This works too, carefully lifting the perspex off the door. ?but I feel it will not be enough to clean up the corner to get a good bond again. Bud, If I sand it down, there will be no window left to make a small bid layup and will look bad on the position it is in on my Europa. I feel the only way would be to completely remove the window and start again. ================== Thank You Richard Wheelwright ================== Visit - ?www.EuropaOwners.org ________________________________ ?Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 02:13:38 PM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: Had A Bad Day with a Perspex Window From: "rparigoris" Hi Richard I am not sure I understand if your lifting Perplex is on the door or front windscreen, doesn't matter, could you put in an Ultimate ventilator in that area? http://www.europaowners.org/modules.php?set_albumName=album277&op=modload&name=gallery&file=index&include=view_album.php If above not feasible, if it is in the corner where if you were to make window smaller and visability would be acceptable, you could cut out lifting corner out and re-establish a rebate with some glass. I would lay up first ply wet out with Redux, then peel ply, after cure use aeropoxy plies. Good luck Ron Parigoris Ron Parigoris Visit - ?www.EuropaOwners.org ________________________________ ?Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 06:13:00 PM PST US From: Karl Heindl Subject: RE: Europa-List: Had A Bad Day with a Perspex Window Ron=2C that's a good idea. I had a disaster situation where the open door f ried near a 500W halogen ceiling lamp. I cried=2C but then I had the bright idea of fitting a ventilator in that location. which was just behind my head . It worked ou t well as it extracts the incoming air from the Naca scoops. Karl Subject: Re: Europa-List: Had A Bad Day with a Perspex Window From: rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us us> Hi Richard I am not sure I understand if your lifting Perplex is on the door or fron t windscreen=2C doesn't matter=2C could you put in an Ultimate ventilator i n that area? http://www.europaowners.org/modules.php?set_albumName=album277&op=mod load&name=gallery&file=index&include=view_album.php If above not feasible=2C if it is in the corner where if you were to make window smaller and visability would be acceptable=2C you could cut out lif ting corner out and re-establish a rebate with some glass. I would lay up f irst ply wet out with Redux=2C then peel ply=2C after cure use aeropoxy pli es. Good luck Ron Parigoris Ron Parigoris Visit - www.EuropaOwners.org ========== ========== ========== ========== ________________________________ ?Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 07:45:09 PM PST US Subject: Europa-List: How do you purge oil cooler with an oil thermostat From: rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us Curiosity question, how do you best purge an oil cooler on a 91X if you have an oil thermostat? Thx. Ron Parigoris ========== target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List ========== http://forums.matronics.com ========== le, List Admin. ="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution ========== ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 04:17:38 PM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Factory Fuel Gauge - Mod 60 From: grroberts3@juno.com I am wiring. Lots an lots of wiring. I have encountered a documentation error, I think. Issue 2 appears to be the current version of the Factory Mod 60 documentation. It displays wiring on page 5 of 6 and says "match this". It shows connection with the provided harness of "blue" wire to "minus" on the gauge, and then "blue" to ground (earth). The "black" wire connects to "S" on the gauge. Not possible with the harness I have. "Black" has the extra leg attached for ground (earth), not "blue". Looks to me like blue and black are switched in the diagram. Can anyone confirm the Mod 60 documentation is in error? I really don't want to "smoke test" my theory. Gary Roberts A187 Conventional 914 Tucson, AZ ____________________________________________________________ Protect yourself with the right Health Insurance plan. Click for coverage information. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/BLSrjpTIn7H5OxHNlv5kvEhPBkH1yruJXzC4xhYA8wdLk7xdLFubWlHogD2/ ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 06:53:02 PM PST US From: Rick Stockton Subject: Re: Europa-List: Add name to spread sheet Oshkosh attendees You are on the list with telephone number.- - Wednesday may be the best time to have a dinner together.- Two years ago we had dinner down town and it turn out to be a good meeting.- I remember bub kind of headed it up, but I don't remember the name of the restuarant. - Can anybody help me on this?- If I have the name I can contact them a head of time to set it up. --- On Mon, 7/20/09, sldpileit@aol.com wrote: From: sldpileit@aol.com Subject: Re: Europa-List: Add name to spread sheet Oshkosh attendees Guys and Gals,- just in case I didn't get put on the spreed sheet. I also will be attending from the 27th thru the 29th.- N108EA will be staying h ome.- My cell phone is 937-416-8080. Scott L. Dingman USAF (RET) -----Original Message----- From: Bob Borger Sent: Mon, Jul 20, 2009 9:22 am Subject: Re: Europa-List: Add name to spread sheet Oshkosh attendees Gents, I will be there from Sunday (26) through Thursday (30). Unfortunately, The Little Dragon Lady (my Europa) is still down awaiting final fix of the thr ottle cables and I've lost my other airplane ride so I'm flying to Chicago and driving up from there. But at least I will have wheels for the stay. Should anyone require transport about the KOSH area feel free to give me a call: 817-992-1117. I'm staying at a private residence about 1/2 block o ff the terminal building. I also have e-mail access through my iPhone. Perhaps we can arrange an early week meeting for those of us in for the fir st half and a second meeting for those coming in for the 2nd half. See you there, Bob Borger On Monday, July 20, 2009, at 06:50AM, "Peter Zutrauen" wrote: > I'll also be there, TT'ing- it in the front yard of the last private hous e closest to the tower (near the bus stop). Cheers, Pete A239 Ottawa, Can still a pile of parts :-) On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 4:11 AM, Cleve Lee wrote: Hello Erich, If you will be preparing a list of attendees, would you please include myse lf. Cleve Lee A198 - Mono XS Jabiru 3300 (Currently in the UK but returning with the proj ect to Detroit area shortly.) Contact Phone: (011) 44 776 561 2283 -Mobile E-mail: cleve.lee@mobileemai l.vodafone.net I'll have an RV in Camp Schoeller (likely with an available bed if it pours one night and someone tenting wants to get a dryer night sleep... . -A b uddy and I will be arriving for Thursday the 30th through Saturday. -Plea se let me know if a dinner is scheduled anywhere. Thanks, Cleve ----- Original Message ----- From: "Europa-List Digest Server" Sent: Monday, July 20, 2009 7:57 AM Subject: Europa-List Digest: 11 Msgs - 07/19/09 * -Online Versions of Today's List Digest Archive Today's complete Europa-List Digest can also be found in either of the two Web Links listed below. -The .html file includes the Digest formatted in HTML for viewing with a web browser and features Hyperlinked Indexes and Message Navigation. -The .txt file includes the plain ASCII version of the Europa-List Digest and can be viewed with a generic text editor such as Notepad or with a web browser. HTML Version: http://www.matronics.com/digest/digestview.php?Style=82701&View=html&Ch apter 09-07-19&Archive=Europa Text Version: http://www.matronics.com/digest/digestview.php?Style=82701&View=txt&Cha pter 09-07-19&Archive=Europa ====================== -EMail Version of Today's List Digest Archive ====================== - - - - --------------------------------------------------------- -- - - - - - - - - - - - - -Europa-List Digest Archi ve - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - --- - - - - - - - - - -Total Messages Posted Sun 07/19/09: 11 - - - - --------------------------------------------------------- -- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- - -1. 02:26 AM - Europa classic-mono: rudder-pedals movement -(Frank Kusserow) - -2. 04:52 AM - Re: Oshkosh -(David Conrad) - -3. 05:29 AM - Re: Had A Bad Day with a Perspex Window -(Ron Jones) - -4. 07:10 AM - Re: Oshkosh -(david miller) - -5. 08:11 AM - Had A Bad Day with a Perspex Window -(Erich Trombley ) - -6. 10:14 AM - Re: Had A Bad Day with a Perspex Window -(Bud Yerly) - -7. 12:09 PM - Re: Aircraft Covers in U.K. -(Paddy Clarke) - -8. 01:21 PM - Re: Had A Bad Day with a Perspex Window -(Flying Far mer) - -9. 02:13 PM - Re: Had A Bad Day with a Perspex Window -(rparigoris ) - 10. 06:13 PM - Re: Had A Bad Day with a Perspex Window -(Karl Heindl) - 11. 07:45 PM - How do you purge oil cooler with an oil thermostat (rpar igor@suffolk.lib.ny.us) ________________________________ -Message 1 _____________________________ ________ Time: 02:26:40 AM PST US From: "Frank Kusserow" Subject: Europa-List: Europa classic-mono: rudder-pedals movement Dear Community, I would like to move my rudder-pedals on my classic mono forward in order have a better seating. I still have some room to the firewall inside with fully pushed pedals, but outside I am too close to the original Europa muffler. I believe this problem has been posted on the forum before - does any one have a solution to this? I am thinking of a different muffler construction or a different pedal construction at this moment. Thank you for your kind feedback Best regards, Frank Kusserow ---------------------- D-EJWD Classic, Mono, 912UL ________________________________ -Message 2 _____________________________ ________ Time: 04:52:13 AM PST US From: David Conrad Subject: Re: Europa-List: Oshkosh I'll be at OSHKOSH starting Saturday morning, July 24th thru Friday morning July 31st. I'll have a rental car, and plan to be camping down in the Ultralight Area. I'll be bringing a powered paraglider with me to fly in the mornings durin g the show. With me will be my wife Sue, and daughter Kimberly (26). Dave Conrad, A078 Mono, 914, short & long wings A long way to go in the build (513) 886 - 0481 Cell --- On Sat, 7/18/09, Erich Trombley wrote: From: Erich Trombley Subject: Europa-List: Oshkosh m> Regarding OSH, myself and Bob Lindsay will be flying out as a flight of two .- Our plans, weather permitting, are for Bob to fly up to Las Vegas, NV on Friday, 7/24 with the both us departing for OSH on 7/25.- We are plann ing on arriving OSH on Sunday morning- 7/26.- I can put together a spre adsheet similar to what I did for Sun-N-Fun so all that are planning on att ending will have contact info readily available.- A Europa dinner/gatheri ng sounds delightful. Regards, Erich Trombley N28ET Classic Mono 914 ____________________________________________________________ Screen Printing Presses Low Cost Screen Printing Kits, Equipment & Supplies. Free Info. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2131/c?cp=3rzUY4cXqr0gso_UxC3f6QAAJz1 S20ZTAtIc8C9-oX87jWuAAAUAAAAAAAAAABVQ3z7reQGyK8ZOMFLqfqdqkHaDAAAAAA le, List Admin. =0A=0A=0A ________________________________ -Message 3 _____________________________ ________ Time: 05:29:41 AM PST US From: "Ron Jones" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Had A Bad Day with a Perspex Window Hello Richard, Sorry to hear about the problem with the "sprung" window. I'm sure you will already have thought that heat is probably the only "treatment". The problem is that both the Redox and the Perspex will soften .. The question as I see it is which softens first? I haven't tried it but wonder if this might work. Cut a piece of metal (ally, 1/8th thick, e.g.) to the shape of the area affected and a piece of wood (ply e.g.) the same. Take another chunk of wood (2"x1"e.g.) to bridge across the inside corner of the door and, using a G cramp, clamp the whole thing together . With a hair drier, warm up the door-frame area where the window has lifted. The metal should (hopefully) act as a heat sink to protect the window while the Redox should (again, hopefully) soften and allow the Perspex to re-seat. Just a thought. It might work! (Before you try it, would you please delete this email and my address in case it doesn't!) Best regards, Ron Jones. ________________________________ -Message 4 _____________________________ ________ Time: 07:10:23 AM PST US From: david miller Subject: Re: Europa-List: Oshkosh Hi Christoph, Look forward to meeting up with you and Myron again. Chris' phone # is 519-494-2741 Dave On 18-Jul-09, at 6:20 PM, Christoph Both wrote: Hi Dave, I will arrive July 30 commercial air. Staying with Myron Haluschak until AUG 3 on the grounds. Would be nice to meet! Txt cell: 902-691-2709 Christoph -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of david miller Sent: Saturday, July 18, 2009 4:31 PM Subject: Re: Europa-List: Oshkosh Erich, Chris Staines and I will be arriving on Friday 31st, staying for the last Saturday and Sunday, at Marian College. driving in. Hope we do not miss everyone Dave C-FBZI Chris C- GFSY On 18-Jul-09, at 4:22 PM, Erich Trombley wrote: Regarding OSH, myself and Bob Lindsay will be flying out as a flight of two. -Our plans, weather permitting, are for Bob to fly up to Las Vegas, NV on Friday, 7/24 with the both us departing for OSH on 7/25. -We are planning on arriving OSH on Sunday morning 7/26. -I can put together a spreadsheet similar to what I did for Sun-N-Fun so all that are planning on attending will have contact info readily available. -A Europa dinner/gathering sounds delightful. Regards, Erich Trombley N28ET Classic Mono 914 ____________________________________________________________ Screen Printing Presses Low Cost Screen Printing Kits, Equipment & Supplies. Free Info. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2131/c? cp=3rzUY4cXqr0gso_UxC3f6QAAJz1S20ZTAtIc8C9- oX87jWuAAAUAAAAAAAAAABVQ3z7reQGyK8ZOMFLqfqdqkHaDAAAAAA ________________________________ -Message 5 _____________________________ ________ Time: 08:11:56 AM PST US From: "Erich Trombley" Subject: Europa-List: Had A Bad Day with a Perspex Window Hello Richard, Sorry to hear about your window. -Unfortunately, I don't believe there is a quick fix for the problem you have described. -Because the Perspex has lifted f rom the door rebate you will find that the cured Redux is shiny and thus will n ot take a bond with new -Redux without prepping it first. -If you are able to sand the exposed Redux you may be able get a good bond. -However, without seei ng the window I can comment of the viability of this scenario. -If this is n ot a possibility, I fear you may have to completely remove the window and remo ve the cured Redux., Not too bad of a job with a heat gun. -There have been a few builders who have replaced windows that can give you better advise on the p rocess than I. -Just be really careful. - Regarding the area that has cured Re dux on the Perspex; carefully sanding this down is probably the best solution. The Perspex does polish up nicely with restoration, however, you will get l ocalized distortion which I believe is unavoidable. -I have found that sanding it up through 1500 grit paper followed by hand polishing works nicely. -Good luck. Erich Trombley N28ET Classic Mono 914 ____________________________________________________________ Certified Financial Find Certified Financial Advisors Compare Prices And Save! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2131/c?cp=3VDfA7kLPFsyg7bnzvZe1gAAJz1 S20ZTAtIc8C9-oX87jWuAAAUAAAAAAAAAAB6naD52odR8q_HAFsqU4XRGHpjgAAAAAA= ________________________________ -Message 6 _____________________________ ________ Time: 10:14:25 AM PST US From: "Bud Yerly" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Had A Bad Day with a Perspex Window Sorry for taking so long to comment. -I was out. -Flew a Motor Glider from Tampa To Kansas City. -Great trip. 127 TAS at 4.8 gph at 8500ft. -A lot of weather, but not bad. On to windows... Richard, The problem may already be fixed, but here are my two cents: - On the sprung corner, if it is out only 1mm or so, try to fill the area with clear redux. -Keep in mind, that it is not going to bond well as the surfaces have cured glue on them and are slick. -But it will prevent a large air void and possible separation if filled. -I have not had one sprung in the shop, once when helping someone redoing a door which was damaged, I saw a void near the handle that was 1.5 inches around the corner. -I suggested he grind the glass closer to level and he filled the void by injecting in redux, then glassed over the corner, making his door glass viewing area about 1/2 inch smaller in the corner, but the glassing of two layers of staggered bid has done the trick. -One other thing I noticed is that the door panel to plexi joint was very smooth and didn't show a bump in the heat after painting due to different expansion rates. Usually, any redux on the outside of the glass can be flecked off using a plastic scraper. -Sometimes a little heat to get it warm will do the trick (about 120 degrees F). -The plexi will buff out. -My windows are a mess of scratches as they are left-overs or returns... -Using grits from 400 to 2000 then buffing compounds and a good slow buffer did the trick. Mine still need one more inside and out buffing with anti-swirl compound and they'll be fine. Bud Yerly Custom FLight ------ Original Message ----- -From: Flying Farmer -To: europa-list@matronics.com -Sent: Saturday, July 18, 2009 6:11 PM -Subject: Europa-List: Had A Bad Day with a Perspex Window > -I have had a BAD day with my windows !!! After leaving my perfect fitted window to cure over night, I have discovered this morning that it has sprung slightly in the corner near to the handle. -Is it possible to remove the window in this corner to allow a cleanup and to re-set it back to as it should be into the rebate? if so, how without damaging the perspex? -I have also got a small amount of redux onto the perspex in top corner. Is their a way to remove it without scratching the Perspex? ================== -Thank You -Richard Wheelwright ================== -Visit - -www.EuropaOwners.org http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ -Message 7 _____________________________ ________ Time: 12:09:30 PM PST US From: Paddy Clarke Subject: Re: Europa-List: Aircraft Covers in U.K. Hi Willie, Good to hear from you. We got back this afternoon from France - a good trip but needless to say it would have been that much better with you two there! I still haven't decided on the material for my covers, I also have a possibility of using a sort of marquee for the aircraft in the summer. I will be using an enclosed trailer in the winter. Both these could well benefit from your dehumidifier. Hope to see you at a DOTH soon, All the best, Paddy On 13 Jul 2009, at 10:34, William Harrison wrote: Paddy Mine lives in a weird microclimate inside a WWII nissen hut type hanger, with an unsealed floor, where it is frequently very humid and sometimes rains condensation. The one discovery I'd like to share is that I have found that a chemical dehumidifier (intended for caravans) has clearly kept the inside much drier than it was previously. This can only be a good thing for the instruments and electrics. An incidental benefit is that the misting problem I used to have in cold weather has largely gone away (I suspect that the upholstery had been acting like a reservoir for water which then took 30 minutes of flight to dry out, and in the meantime was redistributing the moisture onto the windscreen and side windows). Good luck finding the right cover. Willie On 9 Jul 2009, at 20:27, Paddy Clarke wrote: Hi Folks, Many thanks to all those who replied. Before deciding on manufacturer I have to decide on which material, due to my use of Polyfibre products. Is there anyone out there who used Polyfibre filler and/or primer and then kept their aircraft outside under covers, who didn't have bubbles appear in the paintwork?. If so, were the covers breathable or not?. Do people who know about Polyfibre think that there are still potential problems in store with a finish completed 8 years ago? Do people think you get condensation under fully waterproof covers? Looking forward to many erudite replies, All the best, paddy On 8 Jul 2009, at 20:30, R Holder wrote: Paddy Clarke Europa G-KIMM ________________________________ -Message 8 _____________________________ ________ Time: 01:21:59 PM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: Had A Bad Day with a Perspex Window From: "Flying Farmer" Crag, Graham, Bud, Erich Thank you for the replays, I have tyred some of the suggested methods. Graham, the soldering Iron is a good one, but it puts melt lines in thepers pex and seems impossible to get between the door and the perspex I have tyred heating with an hair dryer, This works too, carefully lifting the perspex off the door. -but I feel it will not be enough to clean up the c orner to get a good bond again. Bud, If I sand it down, there will be no window left to make a small bid la yup and will look bad on the position it is in on my Europa. I feel the only way would be to completely remove the window and start agai n. ================== Thank You Richard Wheelwright ================== Visit - -www.EuropaOwners.org ________________________________ -Message 9 _____________________________ ________ Time: 02:13:38 PM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: Had A Bad Day with a Perspex Window From: "rparigoris" Hi Richard I am not sure I understand if your lifting Perplex is on the door or front windscreen, doesn't matter, could you put in an Ultimate ventilator in that area? http://www.europaowners.org/modules.php?set_albumName=album277&op=modlo ad&name=gallery&file=index&include=view_album.php If above not feasible, if it is in the corner where if you were to make win dow smaller and visability would be acceptable, you could cut out lifting corne r out and re-establish a rebate with some glass. I would lay up first ply wet out with Redux, then peel ply, after cure use aeropoxy plies. Good luck Ron Parigoris Ron Parigoris Visit - -www.EuropaOwners.org ________________________________ -Message 10 ____________________________ ________ Time: 06:13:00 PM PST US From: Karl Heindl Subject: RE: Europa-List: Had A Bad Day with a Perspex Window Ron=2C that's a good idea. I had a disaster situation where the open door f ried near a 500W halogen ceiling lamp. I cried=2C but then I had the bright idea of fittin g a ventilator in that location. which was just behind my head . It worked ou t well as it extracts the incoming air from the Naca scoops. Karl Subject: Re: Europa-List: Had A Bad Day with a Perspex Window From: rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us us> Hi Richard I am not sure I understand if your lifting Perplex is on the door or fron t windscreen=2C doesn't matter=2C could you put in an Ultimate ventilat or i n that area? http://www.europaowners.org/modules.php?set_albumName=album277&op=mod load&name=gallery&file=index&include=view_album.php If above not feasible=2C if it is in the corner where if you were to make window smaller and visability would be acceptable=2C you could cut out li f ting corner out and re-establish a rebate with some glass. I would lay up f irst ply wet out with Redux=2C then peel ply=2C after cure use aeropoxy pli es. Good luck Ron Parigoris Ron Parigoris Visit - www.EuropaOwners.org ________________________________ -Message 11 ____________________________ ________ Time: 07:45:09 PM PST US Subject: Europa-List: How do you purge oil cooler with an oil thermostat From: rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us Curiosity question, how do you best purge an oil cooler on a 91X if you have an oil thermostat? Thx. Ron Parigoris target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List http://forums.matronics.com le, List Admin. ="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution Get ready to win! You could score awesome prizes all summer long on AOL. ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 08:15:32 PM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: Add name to spread sheet Oshkosh attendees From: Paul McAllister Hi Dave, Would it be easier for you to leave it with someone at Oshkosh for me ? If so, my hanger partner, Denny Moore volunteers with custom parking with the Chapter 18 guys. If you ask anyone one of the flight line marshal's they will tell where he is. They have a small hut right on the flight line. A couple of other names you can ask for would be Jeff Point, Eric Whyte, Ken Whyte or Gert Vandersan. Any of those guys would see that it is passed onto me. 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