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1. 01:04 AM - Re: Do you need to sand off all guide coat? (ptag.dev@tiscali.co.uk)
2. 04:14 AM - Re: Do you need to sand off all guide coat? (Jim Brown)
3. 05:43 AM - For UK pilots only - Lydeway Fly-In 15th/16th Aug 2009 (nigel charles)
4. 11:26 AM - Fuel Tanks Repaired ;o) (JEFF ROBERTS)
5. 01:44 PM - Re: Fuel Tanks Repaired ;o) (Mike Parkin)
6. 02:53 PM - Re: Fuel Tanks Repaired ;o) (Karl Heindl)
7. 04:18 PM - Re: Fuel Tanks Repaired ;o) (JEFF ROBERTS)
8. 04:18 PM - Re: Fuel Tanks Repaired ;o) (Graham Singleton)
9. 04:48 PM - Re: Fuel Tanks Repaired ;o) (JEFF ROBERTS)
10. 04:48 PM - Re: OSH Spreadsheet (m.grass@comcast.net)
11. 06:23 PM - Re: Fuel Tanks Repaired ;o) (Karl Heindl)
12. 09:15 PM - Re: Fuel Tanks Repaired ;o) (JEFF ROBERTS)
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| Subject: | Re: Do you need to sand off all guide coat? |
Hi! Ron
I'm no paint specialist but.........so long as your guide coat is
compatible with your intended primer/undercoat/gloss coat it shouldn't
be necessry to remove it all, otherwise it negates the purpose of the
guide coat.
Regards
Bob Harrison G-PTAG
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>Date: 24/07/2009 7:04
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>Subj: Europa-List: Do you need to sand off all guide coat?
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| Subject: | Re: Do you need to sand off all guide coat? |
Ron
-
You need to remove the paint. If you put filler over the paint, the "bond"
will be filler to paint, instead of filler to filler.
-
Jim Brown
--- On Fri, 7/24/09, rparigoris <rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us> wrote:
From: rparigoris <rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us>
Subject: Europa-List: Do you need to sand off all guide coat?
>
Even my fingers are getting confused with too many colors:
60 minute hardener (yellow/brown)
30 minute hardener (red)
Q-cel
Expancel
Aeropoxy light
JB weld KWIK
Gray gelcoat
White gelcoat
Fiberglass
Anyway I was thinking about trying out some flat black spray guide coat-
purchased from Eastwood.
Question is after you apply it and sand most of it off, the black will be l
eft behind to show low spots, do I need to sand off black in low spots and
fill, or can I fill over black painted spot? perhaps scuff sand with scotch
bright?
Thx.
Ron Parigoris
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le, List Admin.
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| Subject: | For UK pilots only - Lydeway Fly-In 15th/16th Aug 2009 |
This is just a reminder for UK pilots (Europa or otherwise) that the
Lydeway Fly-In will be on either 15th or 16th August. Any pilots wishing
to come who have not yet got slots please contact me asap as slots are
becoming limited.
Regards
Nigel Charles
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| Subject: | Fuel Tanks Repaired ;o) |
For those of you that we're wanting to hear the out come of this
subject below is a picture of the repair. I drilled the ends of the
crack. Then rubbed pro-seal into the crack as much as I could. No way
of telling how much if any went in. I then covered the area with the
gooey stuff. "Yuck what a mess". After shaping it for the angle of the
tunnel, I then placed a patch of old tank John Lawton sent me over the
crack with pro-seal on it as well. I kept pressure on it for 2 days as
it set up. Then I sanded the area with 80 grit and laid up a 6 inch, 3
layer patch of bid over the whole thing. Probably over kill but I now
have the piece of mind of knowing If the pro seal ever gave out
(Unheard of) the bid would hold till another repair or a replacement of
the tank. To hopefully help this from happening again I placed two 1
inch foam pads under the tank between the floor and the tank on both
sides. I guess as long as the tank is glassed in it can still happen
but oh well.
Anyway one other quick question to anyone. My 912-S has been,
apparently running a little rich. The mixture screw on the carbs has
been at the 1.5 reverse turn recommended by rotax since new. Can anyone
share where there mixture/screw works best. Or is it just a setting we
should do at balancing the carbs? Any help would be appreciated for
this non mechanical type person. ;o)
Best Regards,
Jeff R.
A258 - N128LJ / Gold Rush - Tanks Repaired and holding gas again.
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| Subject: | Fuel Tanks Repaired ;o) |
Jeff,
My compliments on a really nice job. A fix worth remembering.
Regards,
Mike
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of JEFF ROBERTS
Sent: 24 July 2009 19:25
Subject: Europa-List: Fuel Tanks Repaired ;o)
For those of you that we're wanting to hear the out come of this subject
below is a picture of the repair. I drilled the ends of the crack. Then
rubbed pro-seal into the crack as much as I could. No way of telling how
much if any went in. I then covered the area with the gooey stuff. "Yuck
what a mess". After shaping it for the angle of the tunnel, I then placed a
patch of old tank John Lawton sent me over the crack with pro-seal on it as
well. I kept pressure on it for 2 days as it set up. Then I sanded the area
with 80 grit and laid up a 6 inch, 3 layer patch of bid over the whole
thing. Probably over kill but I now have the piece of mind of knowing If the
pro seal ever gave out (Unheard of) the bid would hold till another repair
or a replacement of the tank. To hopefully help this from happening again I
placed two 1 inch foam pads under the tank between the floor and the tank on
both sides. I guess as long as the tank is glassed in it can still happen
but oh well.
do not archive
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| Subject: | Fuel Tanks Repaired ;o) |
Hi Jeff=2C
from the pictures i am trying to figure out how you accessed the tank. Did
you make a large opening in the bottom of the fuselage ? Normally=2C there
are only two round access holes.
Karl
From: jeff@rmmm.net
Subject: Europa-List: Fuel Tanks Repaired =3Bo)
For those of you that we're wanting to hear the out come of this subject be
low is a picture of the repair. I drilled the ends of the crack. Then rubbe
d pro-seal into the crack as much as I could. No way of telling how much if
any went in. I then covered the area with the gooey stuff. "Yuck what a me
ss". After shaping it for the angle of the tunnel=2C I then placed a patch
of old tank John Lawton sent me over the crack with pro-seal on it as well
. I kept pressure on it for 2 days as it set up. Then I sanded the area wit
h 80 grit and laid up a 6 inch=2C 3 layer patch of bid over the whole thing
. Probably over kill but I now have the piece of mind of knowing If the pro
seal ever gave out (Unheard of) the bid would hold till another repair or
a replacement of the tank. To hopefully help this from happening again I pl
aced two 1 inch foam pads under the tank between the floor and the tank on
both sides. I guess as long as the tank is glassed in it can still happen
but oh well.
Anyway one other quick question to anyone. My 912-S has been=2C apparently
running a little rich. The mixture screw on the carbs has been at the 1.5
reverse turn recommended by rotax since new. Can anyone share where there
mixture/screw works best. Or is it just a setting we should do at balancing
the carbs? Any help would be appreciated for this non mechanical type pers
on. =3Bo)
Best Regards=2C
Jeff R.
A258 - N128LJ / Gold Rush - Tanks Repaired and holding gas again.
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel Tanks Repaired ;o) |
Karl,
During the build which I started at Flight Crafters in 2003 we did an
oval access hole instead of the two as per the plans. Its about 12
inches across. Didn't know at the time I would ever need it but man am
I glad I did. I would think anyone at any time could make that change
fairly easily.
Regards,
Jeff R.
A258 - N128LJ / Gold Rush
On Jul 24, 2009, at 4:40 PM, Karl Heindl wrote:
>
> Hi Jeff,
>
> from the pictures i am trying to figure out how you accessed the
> tank. Did you make a large opening in the bottom of the fuselage ?
> Normally, there are only two round access holes.
>
> Karl
>
>
>
> To: europa-list@matronics.com
> From: jeff@rmmm.net
> Subject: Europa-List: Fuel Tanks Repaired ;o)
> Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2009 13:24:32 -0500
>
> For those of you that we're wanting to hear the out come of this
> subject below is a picture of the repair. I drilled the ends of the
> crack. Then rubbed pro-seal into the crack as much as I could. No way
> of telling how much if any went in. I then covered the area with the
> gooey stuff. "Yuck what a mess". After shaping it for the angle of
> the tunnel, I then placed a patch of old tank John Lawton sent me over
> the crack with pro-seal on it as well. I kept pressure on it for 2
> days as it set up. Then I sanded the area with 80 grit and laid up a 6
> inch, 3 layer patch of bid over the whole thing. Probably over kill
> but I now have the piece of mind of knowing If the pro seal ever gave
> out (Unheard of) the bid would hold till another repair or a
> replacement of the tank. To hopefully help this from happening again I
> placed two 1 inch foam pads under the tank between the floor and the
> tank on both sides. I guess as long as the tank is glassed in it can
> still happen but oh well.
>
> Anyway one other quick question to anyone. My 912-S has been,
> apparently running a little rich. The mixture screw on the carbs has
> been at the 1.5 reverse turn recommended by rotax since new. Can
> anyone share where there mixture/screw works best. Or is it just a
> setting we should do at balancing the carbs? Any help would be
> appreciated for this non mechanical type person. ;o)
>
> Best Regards,
>
> Jeff R.
> A258 - N128LJ / Gold Rush - Tanks Repaired and holding gas again.
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel Tanks Repaired ;o) |
JEFF ROBERTS wrote:
> . Then I sanded the area with 80 grit and laid up a 6 inch, 3 layer
> patch of bid over the whole thing. Probably over kill but I now have
> the piece of mind of knowing If the pro seal ever gave out (Unheard
> of) the bid would hold till another repair or a replacement of the tank.
>
> Jeff R.
> A258 - N128LJ / Gold Rush - Tanks Repaired and holding gas again.
Jeff
did you lay up the BID with ProSeal? I don't know if ProSeal is
available this side of the Pond. I haven't heard of it before. (learn
something every day!)
Graham
Hope you don't have any more leaks! .
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel Tanks Repaired ;o) |
Grahm,
The pro-seal can be found on this page.
http://www.aircraftspruce.com/search/search.php
No I laid up the bid ontop of the pro-seal patch after it was cured. It
is used to seal fuel tanks of any kind.
Regards,
Jeff R.
A258 - N128LJ / Gold Rush
On Jul 24, 2009, at 6:16 PM, Graham Singleton wrote:
> <grahamsingleton@btinternet.com>
>
> JEFF ROBERTS wrote:
>> . Then I sanded the area with 80 grit and laid up a 6 inch, 3 layer
>> patch of bid over the whole thing. Probably over kill but I now have
>> the piece of mind of knowing If the pro seal ever gave out (Unheard
>> of) the bid would hold till another repair or a replacement of the
>> tank.
>>
>> Jeff R.
>> A258 - N128LJ / Gold Rush - Tanks Repaired and holding gas again.
> Jeff
> did you lay up the BID with ProSeal? I don't know if ProSeal is
> available this side of the Pond. I haven't heard of it before. (learn
> something every day!)
> Graham
> Hope you don't have any more leaks! .
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: OSH Spreadsheet |
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| Subject: | Fuel Tanks Repaired ;o) |
Jeff=2C
I thought that is what you did=2C and i wish this would be an approved mod.
my only concern would be: does it not weaken the fuselage ? i would love t
o have a similar hatch at the tail.
Karl
> From: jeff@rmmm.net
> Subject: Re: Europa-List: Fuel Tanks Repaired =3Bo)
> Date: Fri=2C 24 Jul 2009 17:18:11 -0500
> To: europa-list@matronics.com
>
>
> Karl=2C
> During the build which I started at Flight Crafters in 2003 we did an
> oval access hole instead of the two as per the plans. Its about 12
> inches across. Didn't know at the time I would ever need it but man am
> I glad I did. I would think anyone at any time could make that change
> fairly easily.
>
> Regards=2C
>
> Jeff R.
> A258 - N128LJ / Gold Rush
>
>
> On Jul 24=2C 2009=2C at 4:40 PM=2C Karl Heindl wrote:
>
> >
> > Hi Jeff=2C
> >
> > from the pictures i am trying to figure out how you accessed the
> > tank. Did you make a large opening in the bottom of the fuselage ?
> > Normally=2C there are only two round access holes.
> >
> > Karl
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > To: europa-list@matronics.com
> > From: jeff@rmmm.net
> > Subject: Europa-List: Fuel Tanks Repaired =3Bo)
> > Date: Fri=2C 24 Jul 2009 13:24:32 -0500
> >
> > For those of you that we're wanting to hear the out come of this
> > subject below is a picture of the repair. I drilled the ends of the
> > crack. Then rubbed pro-seal into the crack as much as I could. No way
> > of telling how much if any went in. I then covered the area with the
> > gooey stuff. "Yuck what a mess". After shaping it for the angle of
> > the tunnel=2C I then placed a patch of old tank John Lawton sent me ove
r
> > the crack with pro-seal on it as well. I kept pressure on it for 2
> > days as it set up. Then I sanded the area with 80 grit and laid up a 6
> > inch=2C 3 layer patch of bid over the whole thing. Probably over kill
> > but I now have the piece of mind of knowing If the pro seal ever gave
> > out (Unheard of) the bid would hold till another repair or a
> > replacement of the tank. To hopefully help this from happening again I
> > placed two 1 inch foam pads under the tank between the floor and the
> > tank on both sides. I guess as long as the tank is glassed in it can
> > still happen but oh well.
> >
> > Anyway one other quick question to anyone. My 912-S has been=2C
> > apparently running a little rich. The mixture screw on the carbs has
> > been at the 1.5 reverse turn recommended by rotax since new. Can
> > anyone share where there mixture/screw works best. Or is it just a
> > setting we should do at balancing the carbs? Any help would be
> > appreciated for this non mechanical type person. =3Bo)
> >
> > Best Regards=2C
> >
> > Jeff R.
> > A258 - N128LJ / Gold Rush - Tanks Repaired and holding gas again.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
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>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel Tanks Repaired ;o) |
On Jul 24, 2009, at 8:21 PM, Karl Heindl wrote:
>
> Jeff,
>
> I thought that is what you did, and i wish this would be an approved
> mod. my only concern would be: does it not weaken the fuselage ?
Karl,
Im not an engineer but I fly off a grass strip thats not so smooth and
I guess my bird is still strong. Maybe thats why the tank was stressed
but until now my Tri-Gear has been great on all the bumps. I would say
the larger hole is fine.
I believe most of the planes that we're started at the build center at
the time / "Flight Crafters" we're done this way but I'm not sure.
>
Regards,
Jeff R
>
>
>
> > From: jeff@rmmm.net
> > Subject: Re: Europa-List: Fuel Tanks Repaired ;o)
> > Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2009 17:18:11 -0500
> > To: europa-list@matronics.com
> >
> >
> > Karl,
> > During the build which I started at Flight Crafters in 2003 we did an
> > oval access hole instead of the two as per the plans. Its about 12
> > inches across. Didn't know at the time I would ever need it but man
> am
> > I glad I did. I would think anyone at any time could make that change
> > fairly easily.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Jeff R.
> > A258 - N128LJ / Gold Rush
> >
> >
> > On Jul 24, 2009, at 4:40 PM, Karl Heindl wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > Hi Jeff,
> > >
> > > from the pictures i am trying to figure out how you accessed the
> > > tank. Did you make a large opening in the bottom of the fuselage ?
> > > Normally, there are only two round access holes.
> > >
> > > Karl
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > To: europa-list@matronics.com
> > > From: jeff@rmmm.net
> > > Subject: Europa-List: Fuel Tanks Repaired ;o)
> > > Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2009 13:24:32 -0500
> > >
> > > For those of you that we're wanting to hear the out come of this
> > > subject below is a picture of the repair. I drilled the ends of the
> > > crack. Then rubbed pro-seal into the crack as much as I could. No
> way
> > > of telling how much if any went in. I then covered the area with
> the
> > > gooey stuff. "Yuck what a mess". After shaping it for the angle of
> > > the tunnel, I then placed a patch of old tank John Lawton sent me
> over
> > > the crack with pro-seal on it as well. I kept pressure on it for 2
> > > days as it set up. Then I sanded the area with 80 grit and laid up
> a 6
> > > inch, 3 layer patch of bid over the whole thing. Probably over kill
> > > but I now have the piece of mind of knowing If the pro seal ever
> gave
> > > out (Unheard of) the bid would hold till another repair or a
> > > replacement of the tank. To hopefully help this from happening
> again I
> > > placed two 1 inch foam pads under the tank between the floor and
> the
> > > tank on both sides. I guess as long as the tank is glassed in it
> can
> > > still happen but oh well.
> > >
> > > Anyway one other quick question to anyone. My 912-S has been,
> > > apparently running a little rich. The mixture screw on the carbs
> has
> > > been at the 1.5 reverse turn recommended by rotax since new. Can
> > > anyone share where there mixture/screw works best. Or is it just a
> > > setting we should do at balancing the carbs? Any help would be
> > > appreciated for this non mechanical type person. ;o)
> > >
> > > Best Regards,
> > >
> > > Jeff R.
> > > A258 - N128LJ / Gold Rush - Tanks Repaired and holding gas again.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> > ======================
> &g======
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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