Europa-List Digest Archive

Thu 07/30/09


Total Messages Posted: 6



Today's Message Index:
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     1. 06:54 AM - Lifting a Europa (Richard Lamprey)
     2. 09:48 AM - Laddingford Fly-in (David Watts)
     3. 04:38 PM - Re: Lifting a Europa (Raimo Toivio)
     4. 05:20 PM - Europa Short Strip Capability (Raimo Toivio)
     5. 06:44 PM - Re: Lifting a Europa (JR Gowing)
     6. 07:54 PM - Re: Europa Short Strip Capability (Tim Ward)
 
 
 


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    Time: 06:54:02 AM PST US
    From: "Richard Lamprey" <lamprey@infocom.co.ug>
    Subject: Lifting a Europa
    Perhaps someone can help out there. I am far from home base and my normal Europa jack, and need to lift my Europa classic monowheel to test undercarriage retraction. I once read (on the Europa website I think) that it is perfectly OK to lift a Europa off the ground by getting a hydraulic engine hoist, and hoisting the whole thing up with straps to the the engine/undercarriage frame just behind the engine (Rotax 912). In fact I once had to do this after a gear up, and it all appeared to work fine, no creaking and groaning in the frame. But is this really OK? Is there a quick alternative to hoisting up to check the retract? Best to all Richard Kenya Classic reg 5Y-LRY


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    Time: 09:48:19 AM PST US
    From: "David Watts" <dg.watts@talktalk.net>
    Subject: Laddingford Fly-in
    Hi all, it's now official, due to the weekend weather forecast, the Laddingford Fly-in 2009 will be this SUNDAY 2nd AUGUST. Open to all Europa people, Laddingford has 2 runways. 11/29 at 750 Mtrs and 03/21 at 450 Mtrs. All circuits at 1000ft to the North or East trying your best to avoid any housing and make calls on SafetyComm 135.475 Landings are free. Food and drinks will be available at the barbeque from about 12.30 ish. where we will ask for a small donation of =A35 towards the costs. Any profits will go towards a donation we make annually after this event to the Kent Air Ambulance which in the past has varied between =A3300 and =A3400. We look forward to welcoming you to our aerodrome especially this will be the first weekend when our new clubhouse is fully up and running (well except for the shower which it looks like I will not be able to fit until next week). Dave Watts Laddingford Aerodrome Manager


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    Time: 04:38:03 PM PST US
    From: "Raimo Toivio" <raimo.toivio@rwm.fi>
    Subject: Re: Lifting a Europa
    Dear Richard I have did so many times and cannot see any risks or problems. Please use at least three straps each capable your plane=B4s weight. Think about tail wheel also: when lifting fore - mass goes back, so lift it also (= put something under it). Do not trust your engine hoist! That means do not leave your pride and have a drink while gear retracted - it will loose it=B4s pressure sooner or later. Look at the attached pic about 2=BD years ago - my Europa was not flyable yet. Those foams under the wings were only to balance the plane - not for load at all. And I was there in (first time) retracting and tracting, retracting and... I hope this helps and wishes to Africa, this message came from Finland. Raimo w Mono OH-XRT - 132 hrs since 29/04/2007 (today two hours) - four place intercom ----- Original Message ----- From: Richard Lamprey To: europa-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2009 4:54 PM Subject: Europa-List: Lifting a Europa Perhaps someone can help out there. I am far from home base and my normal Europa jack, and need to lift my Europa classic monowheel to test undercarriage retraction. I once read (on the Europa website I think) that it is perfectly OK to lift a Europa off the ground by getting a hydraulic engine hoist, and hoisting the whole thing up with straps to the the engine/undercarriage frame just behind the engine (Rotax 912). In fact I once had to do this after a gear up, and it all appeared to work fine, no creaking and groaning in the frame. But is this really OK? Is there a quick alternative to hoisting up to check the retract? Best to all Richard Kenya Classic reg 5Y-LRY


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    Time: 05:20:52 PM PST US
    From: "Raimo Toivio" <raimo.toivio@rwm.fi>
    Subject: Europa Short Strip Capability
    All Europa Aircraft has claimed since 1993 their planes have "a good short strip capability". I confirm: Today - few hours ago - I landed to the EFTO https://ais.fi/ais/vfr/aerodromes/EFTO.html That is a 360 metres (from ditch to ditch) grass strip (27-09) 50 km west from Helsinki Finland. That is permitted only for ultra lights but please do not tell FCAA I was there. Landing: contact to the earth about 1/4 from the fence, stop 1/4 before the end of the strip. That means less than 200 metres (only moderate brakes and some of you know I prefer real fast in final). Take off: we used less than 2/3 of the runway - that means less than 240 metres. Weather: total calm, temperature +20C, almost sea level, QNH 2018 mbar. Plane: near MTOW and that means in RT=B4s case about 645 kgs (1419 lbs), engine 912S, CS-prop (Airmaster with Warp Plades and 5700 engine revs). Strip: grass 10 cm (=4 inches), quite wet (because it was almost night), base strenght moderate, 27 right side (because they claimed that side is harder!). "a good short strip capability". - that=B4s true in my mind! Short and safe landings, Raimo from Finland OH-XRT with 4-place intercom omboard


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    Time: 06:44:20 PM PST US
    From: "JR Gowing" <jrgowing@bigpond.net.au>
    Subject: Re: Lifting a Europa
    Richard Should be quite OK but it might be as well to put something loosely under each wing spar to keep it balanced JR (Bob) Gowing UK Kit 327 in Oz installing engine ----- Original Message ----- From: Richard Lamprey To: europa-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2009 11:54 PM Subject: Europa-List: Lifting a Europa Perhaps someone can help out there. I am far from home base and my normal Europa jack, and need to lift my Eu ropa classic monowheel to test undercarriage retraction. I once read (on t he Europa website I think) that it is perfectly OK to lift a Europa off the ground by getting a hydraulic engine hoist, and hoisting the whole thing u p with straps to the the engine/undercarriage frame just behind the engine (Rotax 912). In fact I once had to do this after a gear up, and it all app eared to work fine, no creaking and groaning in the frame. But is this really OK=3F Is there a quick alternative to hoisting up to ch eck the retract=3F Best to all Richard Kenya Classic reg 5Y-LRY =5F-=========================================================== =5F-= - The Europa-List Email Forum - =5F-= Use the Matronics List Features Navigator to browse =5F-= the many List utilities such as List Un/Subscription, =5F-= Archive Search & Download, 7-Day Browse, Chat, FAQ, =5F-= Photoshare, and much much more: =5F- =5F-= --> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator=3FEuropa-List =5F- =5F-=========================================================== =5F-= - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - =5F-= Same great content also available via the Web Forums! =5F- =5F-= --> http://forums.matronics.com =5F- =5F-=========================================================== =5F-= - List Contribution Web Site - =5F-= Thank you for your generous support! =5F-= -Matt Dralle, List Admin. =5F-= --> http://www.matronics.com/contribution =5F-=========================================================== --------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- Checked by AVG - www.avg.com 9 18:09:00 -- We are a community of 6 million users fighting spam. The Professional version does not have this message


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    Time: 07:54:05 PM PST US
    From: "Tim Ward" <ward.t@xtra.co.nz>
    Subject: Re: Europa Short Strip Capability
    Raimo, I have done very similar landing on a deer strip at Woodbury NZ which had 300 meters available and an electric fence down one side!! We stopped in about 250 meters. It had a high deer fence at the threshold as well. Speed back to 50kts over the fence, put it on and little braking. Take off was no problem with a constant speed propeller. If fact ,at the same weight, like the Boeing 767, you can always take off from a strip you have landed on. Certainly a good STOL performance with the Europa. Cheers, Tim Tim Ward 12 Waiwetu Street' Fendalton, Christchurch. NEW ZEALAND Ph. 64 3 3515166 Mob 021 0640221 Email ward.t@xtra.co.nz ----- Original Message ----- From: Raimo Toivio To: europa-list@matronics.com Sent: Friday, July 31, 2009 12:24 PM Subject: Europa-List: Europa Short Strip Capability All Europa Aircraft has claimed since 1993 their planes have "a good short strip capability". I confirm: Today - few hours ago - I landed to the EFTO https://ais.fi/ais/vfr/aerodromes/EFTO.html That is a 360 metres (from ditch to ditch) grass strip (27-09) 50 km west from Helsinki Finland. That is permitted only for ultra lights but please do not tell FCAA I was there. Landing: contact to the earth about 1/4 from the fence, stop 1/4 before the end of the strip. That means less than 200 metres (only moderate brakes and some of you know I prefer real fast in final). Take off: we used less than 2/3 of the runway - that means less than 240 metres. Weather: total calm, temperature +20C, almost sea level, QNH 2018 mbar. Plane: near MTOW and that means in RT=B4s case about 645 kgs (1419 lbs), engine 912S, CS-prop (Airmaster with Warp Plades and 5700 engine revs). Strip: grass 10 cm (=4 inches), quite wet (because it was almost night), base strenght moderate, 27 right side (because they claimed that side is harder!). "a good short strip capability". - that=B4s true in my mind! Short and safe landings, Raimo from Finland OH-XRT with 4-place intercom omboard




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