---------------------------------------------------------- Europa-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Fri 07/31/09: 8 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:13 AM - Re: Europa Short Strip Capability (Raimo Toivio) 2. 08:10 AM - Re: Europa Short Strip Capability (JEFF ROBERTS) 3. 01:46 PM - FS450 calibration (Karl Heindl) 4. 01:46 PM - Re: Lifting a Europa (Bud Yerly) 5. 01:51 PM - Re: Lifting a Europa (Bud Yerly) 6. 03:20 PM - Re: Lifting a Europa (nwcmc@tiscali.co.uk) 7. 10:38 PM - Help: cracked muffler (NEEL Jean Philippe) 8. 11:53 PM - Re: Help: cracked muffler (Brian Davies) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:13:33 AM PST US From: "Raimo Toivio" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Europa Short Strip Capability Tim You mentioned a word "deer strip". I have visited in Finnish Lappland several times EFAA "Aavahelukka". That is an asphalt strip in nowhere - that is a total wild and unpopulated area. Reindeers like to spend their day on the warm asphalt and it is very difficult to make them understand "go away - I am going to land". They usually do not care any low flybyes even. That is one function for my siren (horn) - they escape immediately after hearing that unexpected noise. Say hello to Rob Waters in Auckland - my family still remember his kind hospitality during that very hot day there years ago. Moro, Raimo OH-XRT w 4place intercom... ----- Original Message ----- From: Tim Ward To: europa-list@matronics.com Sent: Friday, July 31, 2009 5:37 AM Subject: Re: Europa-List: Europa Short Strip Capability Raimo, I have done very similar landing on a deer strip at Woodbury NZ which had 300 meters available and an electric fence down one side!! We stopped in about 250 meters. It had a high deer fence at the threshold as well. Speed back to 50kts over the fence, put it on and little braking. Take off was no problem with a constant speed propeller. If fact ,at the same weight, like the Boeing 767, you can always take off from a strip you have landed on. Certainly a good STOL performance with the Europa. Cheers, Tim Tim Ward 12 Waiwetu Street' Fendalton, Christchurch. NEW ZEALAND Ph. 64 3 3515166 Mob 021 0640221 Email ward.t@xtra.co.nz ----- Original Message ----- From: Raimo Toivio To: europa-list@matronics.com Sent: Friday, July 31, 2009 12:24 PM Subject: Europa-List: Europa Short Strip Capability All Europa Aircraft has claimed since 1993 their planes have "a good short strip capability". I confirm: Today - few hours ago - I landed to the EFTO https://ais.fi/ais/vfr/aerodromes/EFTO.html That is a 360 metres (from ditch to ditch) grass strip (27-09) 50 km west from Helsinki Finland. That is permitted only for ultra lights but please do not tell FCAA I was there. Landing: contact to the earth about 1/4 from the fence, stop 1/4 before the end of the strip. That means less than 200 metres (only moderate brakes and some of you know I prefer real fast in final). Take off: we used less than 2/3 of the runway - that means less than 240 metres. Weather: total calm, temperature +20C, almost sea level, QNH 2018 mbar. Plane: near MTOW and that means in RT=B4s case about 645 kgs (1419 lbs), engine 912S, CS-prop (Airmaster with Warp Plades and 5700 engine revs). Strip: grass 10 cm (=4 inches), quite wet (because it was almost night), base strenght moderate, 27 right side (because they claimed that side is harder!). "a good short strip capability". - that=B4s true in my mind! Short and safe landings, Raimo from Finland OH-XRT with 4-place intercom omboard href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List">http://www.matron href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 08:10:45 AM PST US From: JEFF ROBERTS Subject: Re: Europa-List: Europa Short Strip Capability This thread is funny as I have just finished constructing 850 feet that eventually will connect to my friends runway of 3600 feet. For now he has a 900 foot patch of dirt between us that need final grading and seeding. I cut the new grass and took Gold Rush off on my 850 feet last night for the first time. YEA!!!! Start to where she left the ground was around 650 feet (912-S fixed pitch sensinich). After a short flight I came around and flared about 200 feet before the start of the grass on my friends unfinished dirt but held in a little power in ground effect. 20 feet or so before I crossed the dirt & grass line I cut power and she touched down on the grass perfect. With a little braking she was stopped in 500 feet of short grass. To my surprise I had to taxi the last 300 feet to get her back to my house. You guys are so right. This bird is a real STOL plane when speeds are watched very closely. If you have room to bleed it off and know your weight she'll land on a dime. Fly Safe ;o) Jeff R. A258 - N128LJ / Gold Rush - Down coolant change today. On Jul 30, 2009, at 9:37 PM, Tim Ward wrote: > Raimo, > I have done very similar landing on a deer strip at Woodbury NZ > whichhad 300 meters available and > an electric fence down one side!! We stopped in about 250 meters. It > had a high deer fence at the threshold as well. > Speed back to 50kts over the fence, put it on and little braking. > Take off was no problem with a constant speed propeller. If fact ,at > the same weight, like the Boeing 767, you can always take off > from a strip you have landed on. > > Certainly a good STOL performance with the Europa. > > Cheers, > Tim > Tim Ward > 12 Waiwetu Street' > Fendalton, > Christchurch. > NEW ZEALAND > > Ph. 64 3 3515166 > Mob 021 0640221 > Email ward.t@xtra.co.nz >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Raimo Toivio >> To: europa-list@matronics.com >> Sent: Friday, July 31, 2009 12:24 PM >> Subject: Europa-List: Europa Short Strip Capability >> >> All >> >> Europa Aircraft has claimed since 1993 their planes have "a good >> short strip capability". >> >> I confirm: Today - few hours ago - I landed to the EFTO >> https://ais.fi/ais/vfr/aerodromes/EFTO.html >> >> That is a 360 metres (from ditch to ditch) grass strip (27-09) 50 km >> west from Helsinki Finland. >> That is permitted only for ultra lights but please do not tell FCAA I >> was there. >> >> Landing: contact to the earth about 1/4 from the fence, stop 1/4 >> before the end of the strip. >> That means less than 200 metres (only moderate brakes and some of you >> know I prefer real fast in final). >> >> Take off: we used less than 2/3 of the runway - that means less than >> 240 metres. >> >> Weather: total calm, temperature +20C,almost sea level, QNH 2018 >> mbar. >> >> Plane: near MTOW andthat means in RTs caseabout 645 kgs (1419 >> lbs), engine 912S, >> CS-prop (Airmaster with Warp Plades and 5700 engine revs). >> >> Strip: grass 10 cm (=4 inches), quite wet (because it was almost >> night), base strenghtmoderate, 27 right side (because they claimed >> that side is harder!). >> >> "a good short strip capability". >> >> - thats true in my mind! >> >> Short and safe landings, >> Raimo from Finland >> OH-XRT with 4-place intercom omboard >> >> >> >> >> href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List">http:// >> www.matronhref="http://forums.matronics.com">http:// >> forums.matronics.com >> href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http:// >> www.matronics.com/c > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 01:46:57 PM PST US From: Karl Heindl Subject: Europa-List: FS450 calibration I am trying to calibrate the K (fudge) factor for the above fuel flow compu ter. I have only one transducer and want displays in liters. My re-computed K-factor is way above the limit of the input field=2C which is limited to 2 digits. There is supposed to be a way of using just the one transducer=2C but how d o you do it ? Perhaps the automatic option ? The guy at JPI tells me that I must have 2 t ransducers. Any help appreciated. Karl ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 01:46:57 PM PST US From: "Bud Yerly" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Lifting a Europa ----- Original Message ----- From: Richard Lamprey To: europa-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2009 9:54 AM Subject: Europa-List: Lifting a Europa Perhaps someone can help out there. I am far from home base and my normal Europa jack, and need to lift my Europa classic monowheel to test undercarriage retraction. I once read (on the Europa website I think) that it is perfectly OK to lift a Europa off the ground by getting a hydraulic engine hoist, and hoisting the whole thing up with straps to the the engine/undercarriage frame just behind the engine (Rotax 912). In fact I once had to do this after a gear up, and it all appeared to work fine, no creaking and groaning in the frame. But is this really OK? Is there a quick alternative to hoisting up to check the retract? Best to all Richard Kenya Classic reg 5Y-LRY http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 01:51:02 PM PST US From: "Bud Yerly" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Lifting a Europa Go ahead, Lift on the engine frame on the mounts is OK. Just don't ask a lot of guys to jump on the plane while doing it. Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: Richard Lamprey To: europa-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2009 9:54 AM Subject: Europa-List: Lifting a Europa Perhaps someone can help out there. I am far from home base and my normal Europa jack, and need to lift my Europa classic monowheel to test undercarriage retraction. I once read (on the Europa website I think) that it is perfectly OK to lift a Europa off the ground by getting a hydraulic engine hoist, and hoisting the whole thing up with straps to the the engine/undercarriage frame just behind the engine (Rotax 912). In fact I once had to do this after a gear up, and it all appeared to work fine, no creaking and groaning in the frame. But is this really OK? Is there a quick alternative to hoisting up to check the retract? Best to all Richard Kenya Classic reg 5Y-LRY http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 03:20:11 PM PST US From: "nwcmc@tiscali.co.uk" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Lifting a Europa A pair of trestles under the wing roots is an alternative. Nigel Charles ----Original Message---- From: budyerly@msn.com Subj: Re: Europa-List: Lifting a Europa ----- Original Message ----- From: Richard Lamprey Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2009 9:54 AM Subject: Europa-List: Lifting a Europa Perhaps someone can help out there. I am far from home base and my normal Europa jack, and need to lift my Europa classic monowheel to test undercarriage retraction. I once read (on the Europa website I think) that it is perfectly OK to lift a Europa off the ground by getting a hydraulic engine hoist, and hoisting the whole thing up with straps to the the engine/undercarriage frame just behind the engine (Rotax 912). In fact I once had to do this after a gear up, and it all appeared to work fine, no creaking and groaning in the frame. But is this really OK? Is there a quick alternative to hoisting up to check the retract? Best to all Richard Kenya Classic reg 5Y-LRY href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List">http://www.matronhref="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c Find out whether your data is safe: Explore the issues at Tiscali Security Centre. - http://www.tiscali.co.uk/security ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 10:38:10 PM PST US From: NEEL Jean Philippe Subject: Europa-List: Help: cracked muffler Hi all=0AMy rotax 912 has been flying for 1087h. To day I discover a crack between the mufler and the terminal exhaust pipe (see joined photos) .=0A I think I have to change all the exhaust system. =0AI ordered immediatly all the system to Europa, but I am afraid they were on holidays for one month. =0ASo I call for help the Europa community:=0AIf some body has a complete e xhaust system (mufler+pipes) not yet fitted on his europa, please contact m e to know if it will be possible to get me out of the hole. =0AThank you for help=0A=0AJean-Philippe Neel=0AEuropa XS Rotax 912 /80Hp=0AKit N=B0 273 F-PSLH=0AGrenoble-France=0A=0A=0A=0A ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 11:53:02 PM PST US From: "Brian Davies" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Help: cracked muffler JP, In view of the location of the crack, I would think a good welder could repair the exhaust system at least as a temporary repair. Regards Brian Davies _____ From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of NEEL Jean Philippe Sent: 01 August 2009 06:35 Subject: Europa-List: Help: cracked muffler Hi all My rotax 912 has been flying for 1087h. To day I discover a crack between the mufler and the terminal exhaust pipe (see joined photos) . I think I have to change all the exhaust system. I ordered immediatly all the system to Europa, but I am afraid they were on holidays for one month. So I call for help the Europa community: If some body has a complete exhaust system (mufler+pipes) not yet fitted on his europa, please contact me to know if it will be possible to get me out of the hole. Thank you for help Jean-Philippe Neel Europa XS Rotax 912 /80Hp Kit N=B0 273 F-PSLH Grenoble-France Checked by AVG - www.avg.com 07/31/09 05:58:00 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message europa-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Europa-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/europa-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/europa-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.