---------------------------------------------------------- Europa-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 08/20/09: 24 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 01:05 AM - Re: Landing Gear Frame (Pete Lawless) 2. 01:57 AM - FW: U/C frame (Peter Jeffers) 3. 04:40 AM - synchonising carbs (Herve Chaussures) 4. 06:43 AM - Re: 16.5mm Reamer for Mod 72 (david miller) 5. 07:01 AM - Re: 16.5mm Reamer for Mod 72 (Paul McAllister) 6. 07:24 AM - Re: Landing Gear Frame (Bud Yerly) 7. 07:43 AM - Re: Gearbox removal tool (Jeff B) 8. 09:45 AM - Re: Gearbox removal tool (Peter Jeffers) 9. 09:46 AM - Re: Gearbox removal tool (Jerry Rehn) 10. 09:48 AM - Re: Gearbox removal tool (rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us) 11. 09:48 AM - Re: Gearbox removal tool (Paul McAllister) 12. 10:16 AM - Re: Gearbox removal tool (Bob Borger) 13. 10:19 AM - Re: Gearbox removal tool (Peter Rees) 14. 11:18 AM - Re: synchonising carbs (G-IANI) 15. 11:24 AM - Re: 16.5mm Reamer for Mod 72 (danbish) 16. 12:24 PM - DOTH anyone? (Bryan Allsop) 17. 12:53 PM - Re: DOTH anyone? (R Holder) 18. 01:27 PM - Re: DOTH anyone? (David Watts) 19. 01:49 PM - Re: DOTH anyone? (Bob Hitchcock) 20. 02:39 PM - Re: DOTH anyone? (William Harrison) 21. 03:23 PM - Re: DOTH anyone? (Bob Hitchcock) 22. 04:22 PM - Re: Gearbox removal tool (Jeff B) 23. 09:51 PM - Re: 16.5mm Reamer for Mod 72 (Greg Fuchs) 24. 11:21 PM - Re: 16.5mm Reamer for Mod 72 (mau11@free.fr) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 01:05:23 AM PST US From: "Pete Lawless" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Landing Gear Frame Hi Robert The 2 extra bits of frame, one either side, were an early mod and should have been welded in place. I did hear that some builders who had already installed the frame in the fuselage used Redux to fit the extra supports. If yours have been Reduxed then heating with a hot air gun or small gas torch will soften the glue and allow removal. Regards Pete -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robert Hatton Sent: 20 August 2009 01:54 Subject: Europa-List: Landing Gear Frame I am checking over the landing gear after a heavy landing and one of the supports in the Landing Gear Frame appears to have a slight and small crack. Although it still attached to the frame. It does not seem to have been welded (but I could be wrong), it seems to have been glued in, and I wonder if anyone has any advice for how I might remove the support in order to clean up and subsequently re-attach it? I am taking the opportunity to clean up the rest of the Landing gear frame too, which does not display any other issues. I have attached the diagram and a photo to show what I am looking at, although it is difficult to see the crack. Any advice would be gratefully received. All the Best Rob Robert Hatton email: roberthatton1@googlemail.com US Cell: +01 303 906 9395 -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by Houxou, and is believed to be clean. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com 08/19/09 18:06:00 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 01:57:11 AM PST US From: "Peter Jeffers" Subject: Europa-List: FW: U/C frame _____ From: Peter Jeffers [mailto:pjeffers@talktalk.net] Sent: 20 August 2009 08:52 Subject: U/C frame Hi Rob, The struts that you say 'appear to be glued in' are in fact. These struts were incorporated into the U/C frame as a mod way back in 1996 as a mandatory mod. The mod concerned is no 28 and since you will probably not have a copy of it I attach one herewith. So they will be removable with some local heating and a bit of persuasion. Hot air gun heat should be enough. No flames! As you will notice it is 'stuck in with Redux 420. Later build kits had these struts welded in as standard. Hope this helps. Pete Jeffers _____ From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robert Hatton Sent: 20 August 2009 01:54 Subject: Europa-List: Landing Gear Frame I am checking over the landing gear after a heavy landing and one of the supports in the Landing Gear Frame appears to have a slight and small crack. Although it still attached to the frame. It does not seem to have been welded (but I could be wrong), it seems to have been glued in, and I wonder if anyone has any advice for how I might remove the support in order to clean up and subsequently re-attach it? I am taking the opportunity to clean up the rest of the Landing gear frame too, which does not display any other issues. I have attached the diagram and a photo to show what I am looking at, although it is difficult to see the crack. Any advice would be gratefully received. All the Best Rob Robert Hatton email: roberthatton1@googlemail.com US Cell: +01 303 906 9395 Checked by AVG - www.avg.com 06:03:00 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 04:40:26 AM PST US From: "Herve Chaussures" Subject: Europa-List: synchonising carbs Hi , I am looking for a CarbMate or similar tools to balance my carburettors on my 914.As some one got one I could borrow please?? Cheers G-CHET 914 XS Checked by AVG - www.avg.com 08/19/09 06:03:00 Checked by AVG - www.avg.com 18:06:00 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:43:33 AM PST US From: david miller Subject: Re: Europa-List: 16.5mm Reamer for Mod 72 Robert, If you do not find one locally, I have one in Ontario, Canada. Dave. do not archive On 19-Aug-09, at 8:56 PM, Robert Hatton wrote: > Hello All, > > > Would anyone in the USA have a 16.5mm reamer I could borrow in > order to carry out Mod 72? I am happy to pay for postage and packing. > > > Robert Hatton > > email: roberthatton1@googlemail.com > > US Cell: +01 303 906 9395 > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 07:01:30 AM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: 16.5mm Reamer for Mod 72 From: Paul McAllister Dave, Will you be able to ship this to the US, or will Customs deem that it is a "weapon of mass destruction" ? Just kidding. Do not archive > On Thu, Aug 20, 2009 at 8:31 AM, david miller wrote: > Robert, > If you do not find one locally, I have one in Ontario, Canada. > Dave. > do not archive ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 07:24:10 AM PST US From: "Bud Yerly" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Landing Gear Frame Bob, I'd replace it...Have one in stock. Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: Robert Hatton To: europa-list@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2009 8:54 PM Subject: Europa-List: Landing Gear Frame I am checking over the landing gear after a heavy landing and one of the supports in the Landing Gear Frame appears to have a slight and small crack. Although it still attached to the frame. It does not seem to have been welded (but I could be wrong), it seems to have been glued in, and I wonder if anyone has any advice for how I might remove the support in order to clean up and subsequently re-attach it? I am taking the opportunity to clean up the rest of the Landing gear frame too, which does not display any other issues. I have attached the diagram and a photo to show what I am looking at, although it is difficult to see the crack. Any advice would be gratefully received. All the Best Rob Robert Hatton email: roberthatton1@googlemail.com US Cell: +01 303 906 9395 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 07:43:51 AM PST US From: Jeff B Subject: Re: Europa-List: Gearbox removal tool WOW! That's a lot of cash for a simple slide hammer. My guess is that you could borrow one from your local body/fender guy or just buy a cheap slide at your local auto paint supplier. Jeff - Baby Blue rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us wrote: > Hi Rob > > Pleasure talking with you. > > Here is one place that sells a gearbox puller: > http://74.125.93.132/search?q=cache:c-3tCsBuyPQJ:www.800-airwolf.com/cpsnews.htm+rotax+912+gearbox+removal+tool&cd=5&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us > > > I need one too, if during your search you find a good deal on 2. > Ron P. > > > I am checking over the landing gear after a heavy landing and one of the > > supports in the Landing Gear Frame appears to have a slight and small > > crack. > > Although it still attached to the frame. It does not seem to have been > > welded (but I could be wrong), it seems to have been glued in, and I > > wonder > > if anyone has any advice for how I might remove the support in order to > > clean up and subsequently re-attach it? I am taking the opportunity to > > clean > > up the rest of the Landing gear frame too, which does not display any > > other > > issues. > > > > > > > > I have attached the diagram and a photo to show what I am looking at, > > although it is difficult to see the crack. Any advice would be > gratefully > > received. > > > > > > > > All the Best > > > > > > > > Rob > > > > > > > > Robert Hatton > > > > email: roberthatton1@googlemail.com > > > > US Cell: +01 303 906 9395 > > > > > > > > > > * > > > * > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 09:45:51 AM PST US From: "Peter Jeffers" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Gearbox removal tool I made one, only cost a couple of 's plus an hour or so. Works just fine. Pete Jeffers -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jeff B Sent: 20 August 2009 15:42 Subject: Re: Europa-List: Gearbox removal tool WOW! That's a lot of cash for a simple slide hammer. My guess is that you could borrow one from your local body/fender guy or just buy a cheap slide at your local auto paint supplier. Jeff - Baby Blue rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us wrote: > Hi Rob > > Pleasure talking with you. > > Here is one place that sells a gearbox puller: > http://74.125.93.132/search?q=cache:c-3tCsBuyPQJ:www.800-airwolf.com/cpsnews .htm+rotax+912+gearbox+removal+tool&cd=5&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us > > > I need one too, if during your search you find a good deal on 2. > Ron P. > > > I am checking over the landing gear after a heavy landing and one of the > > supports in the Landing Gear Frame appears to have a slight and small > > crack. > > Although it still attached to the frame. It does not seem to have been > > welded (but I could be wrong), it seems to have been glued in, and I > > wonder > > if anyone has any advice for how I might remove the support in order to > > clean up and subsequently re-attach it? I am taking the opportunity to > > clean > > up the rest of the Landing gear frame too, which does not display any > > other > > issues. > > > > > > > > I have attached the diagram and a photo to show what I am looking at, > > although it is difficult to see the crack. Any advice would be > gratefully > > received. > > > > > > > > All the Best > > > > > > > > Rob > > > > > > > > Robert Hatton > > > > email: roberthatton1@googlemail.com > > > > US Cell: +01 303 906 9395 > > > > > > > > > > * > > > * > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com 06:05:00 ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 09:46:36 AM PST US From: "Jerry Rehn" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Gearbox removal tool I removed my gear box with a puller I fabricated with items I found around my shop. Real simple, I will go find it and post a pic later. Jerry WOW! That's a lot of cash for a simple slide hammer. My guess is that you could borrow one from your local body/fender guy or just buy a cheap slide at your local auto paint supplier. Jeff - Baby Blue ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 09:48:20 AM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: Gearbox removal tool From: rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us Hi Jeff "> WOW! That's a lot of cash for a simple slide hammer. My guess is that > you could borrow one from your local body/fender guy or just buy a cheap > slide at your local auto paint supplier." I agree the link I sent is asking alot (nice picture though), should be something that one should have on hand to remove gearbox. It's not just the slide hammer you need, also needthe proper fixture to connect to the gearbox. Perhaps someone has some ideas and we could go in on a joint purchase? Ron Parigoris >> Here is one place that sells a gearbox puller: >> http://74.125.93.132/search?q=cache:c-3tCsBuyPQJ:www.800-airwolf.com/cpsnews.htm+rotax+912+gearbox+removal+tool&cd=5&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us >> >> >> I need one too, if during your search you find a good deal on 2. >> Ron P ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 09:48:43 AM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: Gearbox removal tool From: Paul McAllister Folks, I remove my gearbox every 300 and send it to the local rotax service center to have the clutch checked out. I have always been able to remove it by tapping with a plastic mallet. For me is has always come off quite easily with gentle tapping. Paul ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 10:16:22 AM PST US From: Bob Borger Subject: Re: Europa-List: Gearbox removal tool Ron, Here's a slide hammer at bottom price: http://www.carparts.com/SLIDE-HAMMER-PULLER-SET/GP_2007844_N__10618.car?zmam=73771597&zmas=17&zmac=100&zmap=10618-2007844 You'd have to make up a tool to properly connect to the gear box, but I bet you are up to that task. Bob On Wednesday, August 19, 2009, at 11:17PM, wrote: > ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 10:19:17 AM PST US From: "Peter Rees" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Gearbox removal tool I guess you've not seen the price for the same tool from Rotax then :-) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff B" Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2009 3:42 PM Subject: Re: Europa-List: Gearbox removal tool > > WOW! That's a lot of cash for a simple slide hammer. My guess is that > you could borrow one from your local body/fender guy or just buy a cheap > slide at your local auto paint supplier. > > Jeff - Baby Blue > ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 11:18:35 AM PST US From: "G-IANI" Subject: RE: Europa-List: synchonising carbs Herve The Europa Club has one for loan to members. Ian Rickard G-IANI XS Trigear, 200 hours Europa Club Mods Rep (Trigear) e-mail g-iani@ntlworld.com ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 11:24:52 AM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: 16.5mm Reamer for Mod 72 From: "danbish" Robert, There was one floating around that Gary Roberts donated so I'm sure whoever has it will respond soon. Dan Visit - www.EuropaOwners.org ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 12:24:34 PM PST US From: Bryan Allsop Subject: Europa-List: DOTH anyone? Hi Folks=2C We are planning a visit to Muckleborough on the Norfolk edge of the Wash=2C tomorrow (Friday). Muckleborough=2C otherwise known as Weybourne=2C is a former RAF historic a irfield. It has a museum=2C and catering on site=2C but no radio. Safety fr equency is used. If you fancy joining us at mid day you will be welcome. Good wishes to all. Bryan _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live: Keep your friends up to date with what you do online. http://windowslive.com/Campaign/SocialNetworking?ocid=PID23285::T:WLMTAGL :ON:WL:en-US:SI_SB_online:082009 ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 12:53:08 PM PST US From: R Holder Subject: Re: Europa-List: DOTH anyone? Bryan Allsop wrote: > We are planning a visit to Muckleborough on the Norfolk > edge of the Wash, tomorrow (Friday). > Muckleborough, otherwise known as Weybourne, is a > former RAF historic airfield. It has a museum, and > catering on site, but no radio. Safety frequency is > used. > If you fancy joining us at mid day you will be welcome. Hi Be warned that the catering (at the museum) is a healthy walk away. At least 20 minutes. When I went in there there was NO-ONE anywhere near ! The approaches are interesting (!) and the runways slope significantly downhill towards the north. Read Pooleys very carefully. Richard G-OWWW ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 01:27:07 PM PST US From: "David Watts" Subject: Re: Europa-List: DOTH anyone? I second all that Richard warns about. A very 'interesting' airfield. When you think you are running out of runway, you crest the hill and see more but you have probably opened the throttle by then (If you have sense) :-) The tank demos are interesting if you manage to catch them. Dave Watts G-BXDY ----- Original Message ----- > Bryan Allsop wrote: > >> We are planning a visit to Muckleborough on the Norfolk >> edge of the Wash, tomorrow (Friday). > >> Muckleborough, otherwise known as Weybourne, is a >> former RAF historic airfield. It has a museum, and >> catering on site, but no radio. Safety frequency is >> used. > >> If you fancy joining us at mid day you will be welcome. > > Hi > > Be warned that the catering (at the museum) is a healthy > walk away. At least 20 minutes. > > When I went in there there was NO-ONE anywhere near ! > > The approaches are interesting (!) and the runways slope > significantly downhill towards the north. Read Pooleys > very carefully. > > Richard > G-OWWW ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 01:49:57 PM PST US From: "Bob Hitchcock" Subject: Re: Europa-List: DOTH anyone? Hi Richard et al I landed there in G-BYSA (Mono) a couple of weeks ago. Agree the place is different, but great fun for a Europa. The cafe in the museum is literally a stone's throw from the airfield, honest. There is also a delightfully quirky cafe serving crab in Weybourne which is a pleasant 20 minutes away. I reckon that is the place that you must be thinking of. On my last trip I walked along the cliff's into Sheringham with my girlfriend and then caught the steam train back to the airfield. I admit that it was a full day, hence did not have time to enjoy the museum which literally adjoins the strip. Each pilot must make own judgement, but given good weather and a precautionary overflight, Muckleborough should be enjoyable. If the control caravan is not manned I could take my handheld if anyone wants a ground based opinion Regards Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: "R Holder" Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2009 8:37 PM Subject: Re: Europa-List: DOTH anyone? > > Bryan Allsop wrote: > >> We are planning a visit to Muckleborough on the Norfolk >> edge of the Wash, tomorrow (Friday). > >> Muckleborough, otherwise known as Weybourne, is a >> former RAF historic airfield. It has a museum, and >> catering on site, but no radio. Safety frequency is >> used. > >> If you fancy joining us at mid day you will be welcome. > > Hi > > Be warned that the catering (at the museum) is a healthy > walk away. At least 20 minutes. > > When I went in there there was NO-ONE anywhere near ! > > The approaches are interesting (!) and the runways slope > significantly downhill towards the north. Read Pooleys > very carefully. > > Richard > G-OWWW > > > ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 02:39:24 PM PST US From: William Harrison Subject: Re: Europa-List: DOTH anyone? Hey, count me in. What frequency do you mean by 'safety frequency'? Willie On 20 Aug 2009, at 19:36, Bryan Allsop wrote: > Hi Folks, > > We are planning a visit to Muckleborough on the Norfolk edge of the > Wash, tomorrow (Friday). > > Muckleborough, otherwise known as Weybourne, is a former RAF > historic airfield. It has a museum, and catering on site, but no > radio. Safety frequency is used. > > If you fancy joining us at mid day you will be welcome. > > Good wishes to all. > > Bryan > > Windows Live: Keep your friends up to date with what you do online. > Find out more. > > ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 03:23:29 PM PST US From: "Bob Hitchcock" Subject: Re: Europa-List: DOTH anyone? SAFETYCOM 135.475 Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: William Harrison To: europa-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2009 10:33 PM Subject: Re: Europa-List: DOTH anyone? Hey, count me in. What frequency do you mean by 'safety frequency'? Willie On 20 Aug 2009, at 19:36, Bryan Allsop wrote: Hi Folks, We are planning a visit to Muckleborough on the Norfolk edge of the Wash, tomorrow (Friday). Muckleborough, otherwise known as Weybourne, is a former RAF historic airfield. It has a museum, and catering on site, but no radio. Safety frequency is used. If you fancy joining us at mid day you will be welcome. Good wishes to all. Bryan ------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- Windows Live: Keep your friends up to date with what you do online. Find out more. http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c ontribution ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 04:22:41 PM PST US From: Jeff B Subject: Re: Europa-List: Gearbox removal tool That's exactly what I did, Paul. Just commenting on the high-priced slide hammer... :) Jeff Paul McAllister wrote: > > Folks, > > I remove my gearbox every 300 and send it to the local rotax service > center to have the clutch checked out. > > I have always been able to remove it by tapping with a plastic mallet. > For me is has always come off quite easily with gentle tapping. > > Paul > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 09:51:54 PM PST US From: "Greg Fuchs " Subject: RE: Europa-List: 16.5mm Reamer for Mod 72 Hi Robert, Sorry, I just got back from a trip to Florida, so I have only just seen your email. I have the 16.5mm reamer that is Garys. It is here in the states, so a 'reamer from hell' shipped through customs and their quadruple glances won't be necessary! Send me your address offsite, and I will be happy to send it on its way. Regards, Greg ________ Hello All, Would anyone in the USA have a 16.5mm reamer I could borrow in order to carry out Mod 72? I am happy to pay for postage and packing. Robert Hatton email: roberthatton1@googlemail.com US Cell: +01 303 906 9395 ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 11:21:22 PM PST US From: mau11@free.fr Subject: Re: Europa-List: 16.5mm Reamer for Mod 72 Hi all, the perfect solution for the mod 72 is to use a dremel 16mm cylinder abrade. It is possible to use gently and do not make a damage in the tube. Quoting danbish : > > Robert, > > There was one floating around that Gary Roberts donated so I'm sure whoever > has it will respond soon. > > Dan > > > Visit - www.EuropaOwners.org > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message europa-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Europa-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/europa-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/europa-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.